Unite Warriors final Comic Chapter Translation - Ruination chapter Part 2

So what is the closure with Roller? Is he the G1 beep boop drone that gained sentience and a transformation?

william-james88 wrote:So what is the closure with Roller? Is he the G1 beep boop drone that gained sentience and a transformation?

Sorta. Basically, he was G1 Roller, who was shunted to another dimension, presumably an alternate IDW timeline. So...both arguments are valid, I guess.

It's a bit of a weird, roundabout way to do it and I figure it's literally just so this particular Roller and this particular Optimus can have a connection, but... yeah. Strange.

I love how Roller's sheer cry of anguish is just rendered as "BOO HOO!" And hey, Lunaclub used her power with it being creepily fetishistic! That's cool!

Some translation notes from Jalaguy:

Notes:
- English names and dub attack callouts used again.
- Grand Scourge's combined mode is "Scourge Grand Prime" in the original, I've used "Grand Scourge Maximus" to retain symmetry with "Optimus Maximus".
- The Dinosaurer name thing is impossible to convey in English, so I've just left it as "the earliest version of Trypticon".

Also, the line of CR Black Convoy's/RiD Scrouge's that reads "Show this guy the true power of evil!" should instead read as "Show this guy the true flowers of evil!" Jalaguy thought it was typo for "power of evil", but it really is supposed to be "flowers of evil".

Kurona wrote:It's a bit of a weird, roundabout way to do it and I figure it's literally just so this particular Roller and this particular Optimus can have a connection, but... yeah. Strange.

I am happy actually. I preffer my toy being classics G1 Roller than IDW Roller. Because it just didnt work anymore with the fiction on the US side that was used for inspiration dropping the history the toy was supposed to have. And the alt mode is so g1 roller, I thought it was super smart of Takara to do use the Rook mold that way. So I am glad that takara realligned their own fiction to make it so that this is indeed G1 roller afterall and the IDW thing can be something seperate, left to the IDW comics.

Sabrblade wrote:Some translation notes from Jalaguy:

Notes:
- English names and dub attack callouts used again.
- Grand Scourge's combined mode is "Scourge Grand Prime" in the original, I've used "Grand Scourge Maximus" to retain symmetry with "Optimus Maximus".
- The Dinosaurer name thing is impossible to convey in English, so I've just left it as "the earliest version of Trypticon".

Also, the line of CR Black Convoy's/RiD Scrouge's that reads "Show this guy the true power of evil!" should instead read as "Show this guy the true flowers of evil!" Jalaguy thought it was typo for "power of evil", but it really is supposed to be "flowers of evil".

Why would they use the phrase "flowers of evil"? And what does he mean by Dinosaurer being hard to convey?

william-james88 wrote:

Kurona wrote:It's a bit of a weird, roundabout way to do it and I figure it's literally just so this particular Roller and this particular Optimus can have a connection, but... yeah. Strange.

I am happy actually. I preffer my toy being classics G1 Roller than IDW Roller. Because it just didnt work anymore with the fiction on the US side that was used for inspiration dropping the history the toy was supposed to have. And the alt mode is so g1 roller, I thought it was super smart of Takara to do use the Rook mold that way. So I am glad that takara realligned their own fiction to make it so that this is indeed G1 roller afterall and the IDW thing can be something seperate, left to the IDW comics.

I'm pretty cool with it too. IDW Roller is a giant; Ultra or possibly even Leader class. So when I saw Rook done as him, I was like... that's cool, but it doesn't really work.
As a resurrection of the drone? ... weird, but sure, cool. That's a fun thing to add to the Optimus crew and you could explain it with a similar thing to how Allspark shards granted sentience to non-sentient machinery in Animated and the live-action movies.

william-james88 wrote:

Kurona wrote:It's a bit of a weird, roundabout way to do it and I figure it's literally just so this particular Roller and this particular Optimus can have a connection, but... yeah. Strange.

I am happy actually. I preffer my toy being classics G1 Roller than IDW Roller. Because it just didnt work anymore with the fiction on the US side that was used for inspiration dropping the history the toy was supposed to have. And the alt mode is so g1 roller, I thought it was super smart of Takara to do use the Rook mold that way. So I am glad that takara realligned their own fiction to make it so that this is indeed G1 roller afterall and the IDW thing can be something seperate, left to the IDW comics.

The Wiki's basically treating this Roller as being both the very same person as Cartoon Roller and as a JG1 version of IDW Roller, essentially saying that JG1 Cartoon Roller evolved into being a JG1 Cartoon counterpart of IDW Roller.

To give another example, Cartoon Bumblebee and Cartoon Goldbug are the same guy, while in IDW, they are two different people, just as how JG1 Cartoon drone Roller and JG1 Cartoon bipedal-old-friend-of-Optimus Roller are now the same guy while in IDW they are separate entities.

william-james88 wrote:Why would they use the phrase "flowers of evil"?

That was Black Convoy's catchphrase in the original Car Robots cartoon (it was omitted from Scourge's dialogue in the English RiD dub). Black Convoy would often speak such things as "The flowers of evil are beautiful when you allow them to bloom," "I will spread the flowers of evil across the world," etc. 'Course, by this he was speaking metaphorically about the beauty and splendor of evil, creating a sort of poetic side to the character as a nice contrast to Gelshark's own sillier poetic side.

william-james88 wrote:And what does he mean by Dinosaurer being hard to convey?

When Galvatron II explains his backstory, his word bubble in the panel that shows Trypticon refers to that Trypticon as "Dino-saurer [Dainozaurā], the first version of Dinosaurer [Dainazaurā]". This is reference to how, in Scramble City, Trypticon had a different animation model from the one he had in season 3 of the G1 cartoon, and how, in Scramble City, Trypticon was referred to as "Dino-saurer" (ダイノザウラー Dainozaurā) in Scramble City and "Dinosaurer" (ダイナザウラー Dainozaurā) in all other Japanese media. This is Sakamoto's attempting to explain why Trypticon's look and name were different in Scramble City from how his look and name were presented in everything else. Thus, he has now retconned the Trypticon from Scramble City to have been an earlier version from the one who appears to be created later in season 3 of the G1 cartoon.

Sabrblade wrote:

william-james88 wrote:And what does he mean by Dinosaurer being hard to convey?

When Galvatron II explains his backstory, his word bubble in the panel that shows Trypticon refers to that Trypticon as "Dino-saurer [Dainozaurā], the first version of Dinosaurer [Dainazaurā]". This is reference to how, in Scramble City, Trypticon had a different animation model from the one he had in season 3 of the G1 cartoon, and how, in Scramble City, Trypticon was referred to as "Dino-saurer" (ダイノザウラー Dainozaurā) in Scramble City and "Dinosaurer" (ダイナザウラー Dainozaurā) in all other Japanese media. This is Sakamoto's attempting to explain why Trypticon's look and name were different in Scramble City from how his look and name were presented in everything else. Thus, he has now retconned the Trypticon from Scramble City to have been an earlier version from the one who appears to be created later in season 3 of the G1 cartoon.

Oh I see. He needed to do that because there were 2 spellings and looks to Dinosaurer. But in the west, we only had Trypticon so there would be no need to rectify anything. But since its a translation of a japanese only thing (which has no name in english) it got a bit tricky. Thanks!

william-james88 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

william-james88 wrote:And what does he mean by Dinosaurer being hard to convey?

When Galvatron II explains his backstory, his word bubble in the panel that shows Trypticon refers to that Trypticon as "Dino-saurer [Dainozaurā], the first version of Dinosaurer [Dainazaurā]". This is reference to how, in Scramble City, Trypticon had a different animation model from the one he had in season 3 of the G1 cartoon, and how, in Scramble City, Trypticon was referred to as "Dino-saurer" (ダイノザウラー Dainozaurā) in Scramble City and "Dinosaurer" (ダイナザウラー Dainozaurā) in all other Japanese media. This is Sakamoto's attempting to explain why Trypticon's look and name were different in Scramble City from how his look and name were presented in everything else. Thus, he has now retconned the Trypticon from Scramble City to have been an earlier version from the one who appears to be created later in season 3 of the G1 cartoon.

Oh I see. He needed to do that because there were 2 spellings and looks to Dinosaurer. But in the west, we only had Trypticon so there would be no need to rectify anything. But since its a translation of a japanese only thing (which has no name in english) it got a bit tricky. Thanks!

Yeah, cuz otherwise, the translation would have said "Trypticon, the first version of Trypticon", and we'd be like "LOLwut?"

'Course, if the guy had just stuck to the Japanese names/terms...

Sabrblade wrote:'Course, if the guy had just stuck to the Japanese names/terms...

I think he should have because in some cases, these become different characters with different continuities and back stories (like Trypticon).

william-james88 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:'Course, if the guy had just stuck to the Japanese names/terms...

I think he should have because in some cases, these become different characters with different continuities and back stories (like Trypticon).

He's especially fortunate that there happened to be available equivalent names from the English dub for Baldigus's/Ruination's gun attacks that were able to replicate the format of the Japanese gun attack names in this comic cleverly enough, given how inconsistent the dub was about Ruination's attack names.

In a way this is the Japanese equivalent of the Combiner Wars cartoon and what the actual show should have been like if they actually cared, major props to Sakamoto for this labor of love.

Jetstorm92210 wrote:In a way this is the Japanese equivalent of the Combiner Wars cartoon and what the actual show should have been like if they actually cared, major props to Sakamoto for this labor of love.

I agree. So far, the most obscure Combiner-related fiction (the Unite Warriors comics and the TCC's "Of Masters and Mayhem" stories) have been the best, really good Combiner-related fiction of this and last year, whereas the Combiner-related fiction that was actually branded under the name "Combiner Wars" (the IDW Combiner Wars comic story arc, the BotCon 2016 "Dawn of the Predacus" comic, and the Machinima Combiner Wars cartoon) have all been the pits.

Can someone explain to me why Optimus only has seven days to live? Did he watch Samara Morgan's video tape or something? Also, is there anywhere online where translated versions of all of these exist in one place?

ricemazter wrote:Can someone explain to me why Optimus only has seven days to live? Did he watch Samara Morgan's video tape or something? Also, is there anywhere online where translated versions of all of these exist in one place?

It's because Optimus had died so many times before that Vector Sigma was only able to revive him temporarily.

As for all five of these comics translated at once, here you go:

Grand Galvatron comic --> http://imgur.com/a/4S1wc

Second Story: Lynxmaster Chapter --> http://imgur.com/a/Mf8v2

Third Story: Megatronia Chapter --> http://imgur.com/a/WqIA9

4th Story: Baldigus Chapter, Part One --> http://imgur.com/a/tm4Gn

Final Story: Baldigus Chapter, Part Two --> http://imgur.com/a/N3swA

Sabrblade wrote:

ricemazter wrote:Can someone explain to me why Optimus only has seven days to live? Did he watch Samara Morgan's video tape or something? Also, is there anywhere online where translated versions of all of these exist in one place?

It's because Optimus had died so many times before that Vector Sigma was only able to revive him temporarily.

Here's a head count for the JP cartoon continuity:

0) S2 "War Dawn", as Orion Pax (depending on view point)
1) Transformers: The Movie ("recreated" in the Headmasters episode "Four Warriors come out of the Sky")
2) Kiss Players
3) S3 "Dark Awakening"
4) The Headmasters "Birth of the Fantastic Double Convoy"

And then Unite Warriors, so between 3 and 5 times total, depending on how you count.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

ricemazter wrote:Can someone explain to me why Optimus only has seven days to live? Did he watch Samara Morgan's video tape or something? Also, is there anywhere online where translated versions of all of these exist in one place?

It's because Optimus had died so many times before that Vector Sigma was only able to revive him temporarily.

Here's a head count for the JP cartoon continuity:

0) S2 "War Dawn", as Orion Pax (depending on view point)
1) Transformers: The Movie ("recreated" in the Headmasters episode "Four Warriors come out of the Sky")
2) Kiss Players
3) S3 "Dark Awakening"
4) The Headmasters "Birth of the Fantastic Double Convoy"

And then Unite Warriors, so between 3 and 5 times total, depending on how you count.

So does this count as "THE" Japanese transformers continuity as far as most fans over there are concerned? Aside from Regeneration One and War for Cybertron, before the aligned continuity absorbed it that is, it doesn't look like the US has anything that stretches that far back. Does Beast Wars, the RiD cartoon, or the Unicron trilogy fit in anywhere?

ricemazter wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

ricemazter wrote:Can someone explain to me why Optimus only has seven days to live? Did he watch Samara Morgan's video tape or something? Also, is there anywhere online where translated versions of all of these exist in one place?

It's because Optimus had died so many times before that Vector Sigma was only able to revive him temporarily.

Here's a head count for the JP cartoon continuity:

0) S2 "War Dawn", as Orion Pax (depending on view point)
1) Transformers: The Movie ("recreated" in the Headmasters episode "Four Warriors come out of the Sky")
2) Kiss Players
3) S3 "Dark Awakening"
4) The Headmasters "Birth of the Fantastic Double Convoy"

And then Unite Warriors, so between 3 and 5 times total, depending on how you count.

So does this count as "THE" Japanese transformers continuity as far as most fans over there are concerned? Aside from Regeneration One and War for Cybertron, before the aligned continuity absorbed it that is, it doesn't look like the US has anything that stretches that far back. Does Beast Wars, the RiD cartoon, or the Unicron trilogy fit in anywhere?

Yes.
Their dubs of Beast Wars and Beast Machines are part of the continuity - as well as their own two original Beast Wars shows. RiD (called Car Robots there) takes place in 2000, when all the G1 autobots and decepticons were worn out from battle as shown in the previous comic.

ricemazter wrote:So does this count as "THE" Japanese transformers continuity as far as most fans over there are concerned? Aside from Regeneration One and War for Cybertron, before the aligned continuity absorbed it that is, it doesn't look like the US has anything that stretches that far back. Does Beast Wars, the RiD cartoon, or the Unicron trilogy fit in anywhere?

Unicron Trilogy? No, but Unicron is linked to all continuities at once so he has access to all of them. So him plucking Thrust and Breakdown from a non-G1 universe is easy for him.

The CR/RiD cartoon is weird: the Car Robots original is part of Japanese G1, but the US dub is in its own continuity. So Black Convoy and Baldigus appearing in G1 shouldn't come as a surprise (their counterparts Scourge and Ruination however...).

I will never be able to unsee the face on Megaempress' (and Pyra Magna's) stomach(s). That is hilarious.

MagicDeath wrote:I will never be able to unsee the face on Megaempress' (and Pyra Magna's) stomach(s). That is hilarious.

And Galvatron II calling that out is just icing on the cake

So Wandering Roller was G1 cartoon Roller all along, he just resembled IDW Roller. Imagine that.

Sabrblade wrote:Then Megaempress shoves both Grand Scourge and Galvatron II's ghost off of Cybertron and into a rift in space-time, leading to parts unknown.

Back to the eHobby universe I would assume, they clearly still had plans for Grand Scourge and now they get to play around with Galvatron II again. Maybe this will help setup their next series of exclusives?

Emerje

Emerje wrote:So Wandering Roller was G1 cartoon Roller all along, he just resembled IDW Roller. Imagine that.

Sabrblade wrote:Then Megaempress shoves both Grand Scourge and Galvatron II's ghost off of Cybertron and into a rift in space-time, leading to parts unknown.

Back to the eHobby universe I would assume, they clearly still had plans for Grand Scourge and now they get to play around with Galvatron II again. Maybe this will help setup their next series of exclusives?

Emerje

Yea i could see E-hobby releasing a G1 toy colors TR Galvatron

grimdragon2001 wrote:Yea i could see E-hobby releasing a G1 toy colors TR Galvatron

Pretty much, yeah. Straxus could make him a new body. Boy would it piss Galvatron II off if he was stuck inside a tiny body that looked like Megatron. Thinking about it, Galvatron II being just a head in the UW comic would work out for him as a Headmaster (even if he left the comic as a ghost).

Emerje

ricemazter wrote:So does this count as "THE" Japanese transformers continuity as far as most fans over there are concerned?

This is indeed the Japanese Generation 1 cartoon continuity proper, yes. It was the primary Transformers continuity for Japan from 1985-2002 before the creation of the Japanese Unicron Trilogy cartoon continuity (or as it is known to Japan, the Micron Trilogy), which took center stage from 2003-2005. The JG1 cartoon would continue to pop back up in Japan through Japanese comic materials both during the Micron Trilogy and afterward during other new continuities that have kept appearing and continue to come about in Japan, such as the movies, Animated, Prime/Go!/Adventure, etc. But even then, I'm pretty sure that the JG1 cartoon continuity is considered the most important one to longtime Japanese fans, as it keeps getting the most new additions to itself.

ricemazter wrote:Aside from Regeneration One and War for Cybertron, before the aligned continuity absorbed it that is,

Not that again.

ricemazter wrote:Does Beast Wars, the RiD cartoon, or the Unicron trilogy fit in anywhere?

I already mentioned that the Unicron Trilogy is a separate continuity from G1 in Japan, just as it is in the English-speaking world, so I'll skip that.

For Beast Wars, yes, the Japanese dub is part of the JG1 cartoon continuity.

By "the RiD cartoon" I presume you mean the 2001 one and not the current 2015-present one, yes? If so, only the original Japanese version of the 2001 RiD cartoon, Car Robots, is part of the JG1 cartoon continuity. The English dubbed version is a completely non-G1 continuity on its own. There are enough differences between the Japanese and English versions of that show that allow one to view them as separate entities.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:but Unicron is linked to all continuities at once

Not anymore.

Emerje wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Then Megaempress shoves both Grand Scourge and Galvatron II's ghost off of Cybertron and into a rift in space-time, leading to parts unknown.

Back to the eHobby universe I would assume, they clearly still had plans for Grand Scourge and now they get to play around with Galvatron II again. Maybe this will help setup their next series of exclusives?

Emerje

You mean e-HOBBY had its own single universe?

Sabrblade wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:but Unicron is linked to all continuities at once

Not anymore.

That's definitely true for the Western side, but is the Eastern side going with it?

Sabrblade wrote:

Emerje wrote:Back to the eHobby universe I would assume, they clearly still had plans for Grand Scourge and now they get to play around with Galvatron II again. Maybe this will help setup their next series of exclusives?

Emerje

You mean e-HOBBY had its own single universe?

If so, e-Hobby and other exclusive sidestories are still considered part of the JP G1 continuity proper, in contrast to FunPub's G1-inspired stories which are either Classics, Wings, Beast Wars Uprising, or some other sandbox universe, not directly linked to (or rather, influencing) any Hasbro-established fiction.

http://www.tfu.info/2005/Cybertron/Orio ... ionpax.htm

Roller pre War Dawn

http://www.tfu.info/1984/Autobot/Optimu ... sprime.htm

Roller G1 "drone"

http://www.tfu.info/2013/Autobot/GenRoller/roller.htm

(not sure what incarnation/universe this fits)

http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Ask_Vector_Prime#Facebook

HB universe....Roller is Apex Bomber


http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Fight!_Super_Rob ... story_page)

Takara/JP Universe (somewhat hinted but not definite)

Source: http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Roller_(G1)

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:but Unicron is linked to all continuities at once

Not anymore.

That's definitely true for the Western side, but is the Eastern side going with it?

Well, they're presumably still treating him (or at least, the JG1 version of him) as a god that can do whatever he wants (like pull people from other times and worlds as he does in these UW comics). But then again, lots of characters have experienced dimension-hopping via multiple means, godly or otherwise.

Sabrblade wrote:

Emerje wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Then Megaempress shoves both Grand Scourge and Galvatron II's ghost off of Cybertron and into a rift in space-time, leading to parts unknown.

Back to the eHobby universe I would assume, they clearly still had plans for Grand Scourge and now they get to play around with Galvatron II again. Maybe this will help setup their next series of exclusives?

Emerje

You mean e-HOBBY had its own single universe?

Cloud, mainly. Deadlock is from there and Grand Scourge is related to it so it's not like eHobby abandoned it when the line ended. It would be nice to see the loose story line between the two of them tied back up. Galvatron getting himself a Cloud body and trying to escape Grand Scourge would be interesting.

Emerje

william-james88 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

william-james88 wrote:And what does he mean by Dinosaurer being hard to convey?

When Galvatron II explains his backstory, his word bubble in the panel that shows Trypticon refers to that Trypticon as "Dino-saurer [Dainozaurā], the first version of Dinosaurer [Dainazaurā]". This is reference to how, in Scramble City, Trypticon had a different animation model from the one he had in season 3 of the G1 cartoon, and how, in Scramble City, Trypticon was referred to as "Dino-saurer" (ダイノザウラー Dainozaurā) in Scramble City and "Dinosaurer" (ダイナザウラー Dainozaurā) in all other Japanese media. This is Sakamoto's attempting to explain why Trypticon's look and name were different in Scramble City from how his look and name were presented in everything else. Thus, he has now retconned the Trypticon from Scramble City to have been an earlier version from the one who appears to be created later in season 3 of the G1 cartoon.

Oh I see. He needed to do that because there were 2 spellings and looks to Dinosaurer. But in the west, we only had Trypticon so there would be no need to rectify anything. But since its a translation of a japanese only thing (which has no name in english) it got a bit tricky. Thanks!

In my head canon I always figured there were 2 versions of Trypticon anyway. The first appearing in Scramble City (I presume was made from the Decepticon HQ at the bottom of the ocean as it is never seen again), was destroyed in the unseen battle that would have taken place after SC. Then of course a few years later the cons' would build another Trypticon on earth, the one seen in FFOD. .

o.supreme wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

william-james88 wrote:And what does he mean by Dinosaurer being hard to convey?

When Galvatron II explains his backstory, his word bubble in the panel that shows Trypticon refers to that Trypticon as "Dino-saurer [Dainozaurā], the first version of Dinosaurer [Dainazaurā]". This is reference to how, in Scramble City, Trypticon had a different animation model from the one he had in season 3 of the G1 cartoon, and how, in Scramble City, Trypticon was referred to as "Dino-saurer" (ダイノザウラー Dainozaurā) in Scramble City and "Dinosaurer" (ダイナザウラー Dainozaurā) in all other Japanese media. This is Sakamoto's attempting to explain why Trypticon's look and name were different in Scramble City from how his look and name were presented in everything else. Thus, he has now retconned the Trypticon from Scramble City to have been an earlier version from the one who appears to be created later in season 3 of the G1 cartoon.

Oh I see. He needed to do that because there were 2 spellings and looks to Dinosaurer. But in the west, we only had Trypticon so there would be no need to rectify anything. But since its a translation of a japanese only thing (which has no name in english) it got a bit tricky. Thanks!

In my head canon I always figured there were 2 versions of Trypticon anyway. The first appearing in Scramble City (I presume was made from the Decepticon HQ at the bottom of the ocean as it is never seen again), was destroyed in the unseen battle that would have taken place after SC. Then of course a few years later the cons' would build another Trypticon on earth, the one seen in FFOD. .

Your theory on the Victory( Decepticon HQ) and Dinosaurer would have had merit (and most plausible imho as I like it too). But iirc, during the Destron scenes in Scramble City, Megs was like in the Victory calling the shots. Then again, a retcon could again be inserted by Sakamoto etc

And I just noticed the real difference in spelling:

Scramble City: ダイノザウラー Dainozaurā
Other Media: ダイナザウラー Dainazaurā

Even though both are translated as "Dinosaurer", the current name is more like "Dynasaurer".

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:And I just noticed the real difference in spelling:

Scramble City: ダイノザウラー Dainozaurā
Other Media: ダイナザウラー Dainazaurā

Even though both are translated as "Dinosaurer", the current name is more like "Dynasaurer".

Like Furman's Dynobots?

I remember reading somewhere that in FFOD, the constructicons aren't building Trypticon, they're repairing him. So any differences in appearance could have been due to those repairs. At least until this retconned it all in.


Anyone else ever hear anything like that?

Insurgent wrote:I remember reading somewhere that in FFOD, the constructicons aren't building Trypticon, they're repairing him. So any differences in appearance could have been due to those repairs. At least until this retconned it all in.


Anyone else ever hear anything like that?

Sounds like one of those many fan theories people created trying to justify Trypticon's birth in that episode with his previous appearance in Scramble City.

Though, just now, I decided to watch Trypticon's debut scene in the Japanese dub of FFOD Part 4 to see if I could make out whether they treated the scene as his birth (like in the English version) or as something else. And, while there is a ton of new dialogue and narration telling us what's going on in the scene, I couldn't tell what, if any, new information was being said.

Insurgent wrote:I remember reading somewhere that in FFOD, the constructicons aren't building Trypticon, they're repairing him. So any differences in appearance could have been due to those repairs. At least until this retconned it all in.


Anyone else ever hear anything like that?

It was like they (the Constructicons) built Trypticon II/DinosaurerII (if we follow the last UW manga) in the middle of a city unless the JP version was presented differently.

fenrir72 wrote:Your theory on the Victory( Decepticon HQ) and Dinosaurer would have had merit (and most plausible imho as I like it too). But iirc, during the Destron scenes in Scramble City, Megs was like in the Victory calling the shots. Then again, a retcon could again be inserted by Sakamoto etc

in SC The Decepticons were seen in Decepticon HQ for some of the episode, but from the point where Trypicon appears it is not seen, so it is plausible, if you ignore the fact that an undertaking like that would take probably years to achieve, not just a few minuets

Megs "hey guys, Ultra Magnus just finished the Autobots new Battle Station, lets turning this place into a Dinosaur and fight back"

o.supreme wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:Your theory on the Victory( Decepticon HQ) and Dinosaurer would have had merit (and most plausible imho as I like it too). But iirc, during the Destron scenes in Scramble City, Megs was like in the Victory calling the shots. Then again, a retcon could again be inserted by Sakamoto etc

in SC The Decepticons were seen in Decepticon HQ for some of the episode, but from the point where Trypicon appears it is not seen, so it is plausible, if you ignore the fact that an undertaking like that would take probably years to achieve, not just a few minuets

Megs "hey guys, Ultra Magnus just finished the Autobots new Battle Station, lets turning this place into a Dinosaur and fight back"

Or Megatron and his crew could have been inside Trypticon the whole time, I mean he does transform into a city and a battle station after all

So, anyone still think Takara is doing a Liokaiser

william-james88 wrote:So, anyone still think Takara is doing a Liokaiser

All signs seem to point towards no. However I believe the pattern in the past has been for a silhouette to be revealed shortly before the official release of the next UW. Megatronia is supposed to be out in about 2 weeks. If we see nothing by the time its released It say that's a definite no. That is fine with me, for now since there is a perfect balance in the UW/CW collection I am building, another release would throw that balance off.

My greater concern is that with the reveal of the next line after TR as "Power Of the Primes" is that the fan speculated release of Beast themed combiners using the CW/UW system will not happen. TT would no doubt rebrand those and return to the UW format...but now I fear it may not happen at all.

o.supreme wrote:My greater concern is that with the reveal of the next line after TR as "Power Of the Primes" is that the fan speculated release of Beast themed combiners using the CW/UW system will not happen. TT would no doubt rebrand those and return to the UW format...but now I fear it may not happen at all.

Thanks for sharing your opinion. I never got behind the fan speculation of beast themed bots myself. Hasbro was pretty clear when asked about beast themed bots that they felt they already covered that in RID. And plus we have beast themed bots already available or anounced with skylynx, Trypticon, all the casette bots, Sentinel Prime, and all the animal deluxes.

So they have a bunch of beasts already and I guess thigns will stay constant as long as its G1 themed.

^That is true, but I think most fans were hoping for Predaking, Abominus, etc...Now I've yet to purchase any 3rd party toys. But if anyone developed a combiner team that copied and was compatible with the CW/UW system, I'd probably go for that. As was revealed to me previously a 3rd party Motormaster was released that did just this. Of course I think there are already several 3rd party versions of said characters, doing them yet again when there are so many others to choose from would probably not happen.

The whole "beast combiners maybe coming later" thing is because of what happened at the Hasbro Panel at BotCon this year:

Fan question: Even though Combiner Wars is coming to an end, will you possibly revisit it? I’m sure about 75% of the fans here would love to see you do the animal combiners like Predaking or Abominus.

John Warden: That’s a very good question. I hear you. So, let me put it back out to the fans. Would you want to see more Combiners Wars in 2018?

*audience cheers wildly*

Sabrblade wrote:Would you want to see more Combiners Wars in 2018?

*audience cheers wildly*

So that's what happened...Execs from Hasbro probably heard this out of context and thought the fans wanted another Machinima series, not more toys.

I think we will get a predaking or Abominus eventually simply because its inevitable and they are in this G1 craze. I just didnt think the 3rd part was beast themed and its confirmed not to be.

william-james88 wrote:I think we will get a predaking or Abominus eventually simply because its inevitable and they are in this G1 craze. I just didnt think the 3rd part was beast themed and its confirmed not to be.

It's largely because the only remaining combiners are beasts, and certain fan-favourite significant characters from G1 - ie the Dinobots - haven't really been done yet, a weird Platinum boxset or two and a couple Grimlock attempts aside.
Not to mention that most of the Decepticons left are beasts, and a lot of people want more Beast Wars... it's not hard to see a lot of that lumped into one line. It's more just a lot of things that haven't been done yet are inevitable that some would see as making sense to be under one banner.

If anyone wanting UW-07 Bruticus feel like you missed out, this may be your chance...looks like BBTS has a small stock back in (4 to be exact) as of this writing. I just happened to get one from a Japanese Seller on Amazon a couple months back for a little less than the $135 BBTS is asking, but most eBay sellers are asking more, so this may be a good opportunity for someone interested.

I already have CW Onslaught (like the colors more), so UW Bruticus is out of the question, unless someone is willing to sell off Blast Off. I don't see that happening

Ah, the problems with TakaraTomy-exclusive limbs... looking at you, Ratchet!

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:I already have CW Onslaught (like the colors more), so UW Bruticus is out of the question, unless someone is willing to sell off Blast Off. I don't see that happening

Ah, the problems with TakaraTomy-exclusive limbs... looking at you, Ratchet!

I understand. On this very forum I thought I had that problem solved. But I had to cancel my pre-order of Lynx Master. Thankfully it looks like there are plenty to go around. So hopefully if its still readily available come February I'll get it.

In the past 2 months I only saw one person selling a UW Ratchet separately, and it went for over $100 by itself! Not worth it, I'll just get the whole UW set for a little more, and since I already have Smokescreen set aside for another combiner I'm building I'll be set. I also saw one 2016 Botcon build-a-figure already painted/stickered Ratchet go for around $100. I'd be happy with either one if I could get them for a decent price. There is a MIP unpainted Ratchet on eBay there now for like $300...! People are crazy.

I can honestly say I pretty much prefer all the UW versions. I do have CW Menasor and Defensor (with Deluxe Groove), which aside from some paint apps aren't really that different from their UW counterparts, and only because I found good deals on them.