I sincerely doubt it, given how Blast Off's robot mode design attempts to be so slavishly accurate to his G1 cartoon model (right down to the placement of the forward control thrusters on the torso that mucks up the look of the shuttle mode, and the partsforming of the tailfin to attach it to the figure's back a la the cartoon model) that it reeks of Takara's usual "show accurate or else!" mentality, which Hasbro has proven time and again to not subscribe to given their overall attitude towards newer, more original designs.JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:So my query is this: did UW Blast Off actually start out as an abandoned Hasbro concept, similar to Prime's War Breakdown?
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Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
I dunno. The the huge chest, tiny waist, thick lower legs/feet that give the figure some rather awkward proportions also don't strike me as part of Hasbro's M.O. when it came to the other CW designs, which were mostly proportionate block people. By contrast, UW Blast Off's silhouette evokes the more atypical proportions one might find more common in Animated (only minus the cartoony elements) or some of the Movie designs. It just feels like the odd one out, along with UW Groove.King Kuuga wrote:Perhaps some rudimentary designs were made by Hasbro before they abandoned it, and Takara picked it up and overhauled it in the way you describe, Sabr?
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Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
william-james88 wrote:So what is the closure with Roller? Is he the G1 beep boop drone that gained sentience and a transformation?
Also, the line of CR Black Convoy's/RiD Scrouge's that reads "Show this guy the true power of evil!" should instead read as "Show this guy the true flowers of evil!" Jalaguy thought it was typo for "power of evil", but it really is supposed to be "flowers of evil".Notes:
- English names and dub attack callouts used again.
- Grand Scourge's combined mode is "Scourge Grand Prime" in the original, I've used "Grand Scourge Maximus" to retain symmetry with "Optimus Maximus".
- The Dinosaurer name thing is impossible to convey in English, so I've just left it as "the earliest version of Trypticon".
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Kurona wrote:It's a bit of a weird, roundabout way to do it and I figure it's literally just so this particular Roller and this particular Optimus can have a connection, but... yeah. Strange.
Sabrblade wrote:Some translation notes from Jalaguy:Also, the line of CR Black Convoy's/RiD Scrouge's that reads "Show this guy the true power of evil!" should instead read as "Show this guy the true flowers of evil!" Jalaguy thought it was typo for "power of evil", but it really is supposed to be "flowers of evil".Notes:
- English names and dub attack callouts used again.
- Grand Scourge's combined mode is "Scourge Grand Prime" in the original, I've used "Grand Scourge Maximus" to retain symmetry with "Optimus Maximus".
- The Dinosaurer name thing is impossible to convey in English, so I've just left it as "the earliest version of Trypticon".
william-james88 wrote:Kurona wrote:It's a bit of a weird, roundabout way to do it and I figure it's literally just so this particular Roller and this particular Optimus can have a connection, but... yeah. Strange.
I am happy actually. I preffer my toy being classics G1 Roller than IDW Roller. Because it just didnt work anymore with the fiction on the US side that was used for inspiration dropping the history the toy was supposed to have. And the alt mode is so g1 roller, I thought it was super smart of Takara to do use the Rook mold that way. So I am glad that takara realligned their own fiction to make it so that this is indeed G1 roller afterall and the IDW thing can be something seperate, left to the IDW comics.
The Wiki's basically treating this Roller as being both the very same person as Cartoon Roller and as a JG1 version of IDW Roller, essentially saying that JG1 Cartoon Roller evolved into being a JG1 Cartoon counterpart of IDW Roller.william-james88 wrote:Kurona wrote:It's a bit of a weird, roundabout way to do it and I figure it's literally just so this particular Roller and this particular Optimus can have a connection, but... yeah. Strange.
I am happy actually. I preffer my toy being classics G1 Roller than IDW Roller. Because it just didnt work anymore with the fiction on the US side that was used for inspiration dropping the history the toy was supposed to have. And the alt mode is so g1 roller, I thought it was super smart of Takara to do use the Rook mold that way. So I am glad that takara realligned their own fiction to make it so that this is indeed G1 roller afterall and the IDW thing can be something seperate, left to the IDW comics.
That was Black Convoy's catchphrase in the original Car Robots cartoon (it was omitted from Scourge's dialogue in the English RiD dub). Black Convoy would often speak such things as "The flowers of evil are beautiful when you allow them to bloom," "I will spread the flowers of evil across the world," etc. 'Course, by this he was speaking metaphorically about the beauty and splendor of evil, creating a sort of poetic side to the character as a nice contrast to Gelshark's own sillier poetic side.william-james88 wrote:Why would they use the phrase "flowers of evil"?
When Galvatron II explains his backstory, his word bubble in the panel that shows Trypticon refers to that Trypticon as "Dino-saurer [Dainozaurā], the first version of Dinosaurer [Dainazaurā]". This is reference to how, in Scramble City, Trypticon had a different animation model from the one he had in season 3 of the G1 cartoon, and how, in Scramble City, Trypticon was referred to as "Dino-saurer" (ダイノザウラー Dainozaurā) in Scramble City and "Dinosaurer" (ダイナザウラー Dainozaurā) in all other Japanese media. This is Sakamoto's attempting to explain why Trypticon's look and name were different in Scramble City from how his look and name were presented in everything else. Thus, he has now retconned the Trypticon from Scramble City to have been an earlier version from the one who appears to be created later in season 3 of the G1 cartoon.william-james88 wrote:And what does he mean by Dinosaurer being hard to convey?
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Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:When Galvatron II explains his backstory, his word bubble in the panel that shows Trypticon refers to that Trypticon as "Dino-saurer [Dainozaurā], the first version of Dinosaurer [Dainazaurā]". This is reference to how, in Scramble City, Trypticon had a different animation model from the one he had in season 3 of the G1 cartoon, and how, in Scramble City, Trypticon was referred to as "Dino-saurer" (ダイノザウラー Dainozaurā) in Scramble City and "Dinosaurer" (ダイナザウラー Dainozaurā) in all other Japanese media. This is Sakamoto's attempting to explain why Trypticon's look and name were different in Scramble City from how his look and name were presented in everything else. Thus, he has now retconned the Trypticon from Scramble City to have been an earlier version from the one who appears to be created later in season 3 of the G1 cartoon.william-james88 wrote:And what does he mean by Dinosaurer being hard to convey?
Yeah, cuz otherwise, the translation would have said "Trypticon, the first version of Trypticon", and we'd be like "LOLwut?"william-james88 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:When Galvatron II explains his backstory, his word bubble in the panel that shows Trypticon refers to that Trypticon as "Dino-saurer [Dainozaurā], the first version of Dinosaurer [Dainazaurā]". This is reference to how, in Scramble City, Trypticon had a different animation model from the one he had in season 3 of the G1 cartoon, and how, in Scramble City, Trypticon was referred to as "Dino-saurer" (ダイノザウラー Dainozaurā) in Scramble City and "Dinosaurer" (ダイナザウラー Dainozaurā) in all other Japanese media. This is Sakamoto's attempting to explain why Trypticon's look and name were different in Scramble City from how his look and name were presented in everything else. Thus, he has now retconned the Trypticon from Scramble City to have been an earlier version from the one who appears to be created later in season 3 of the G1 cartoon.william-james88 wrote:And what does he mean by Dinosaurer being hard to convey?
Oh I see. He needed to do that because there were 2 spellings and looks to Dinosaurer. But in the west, we only had Trypticon so there would be no need to rectify anything. But since its a translation of a japanese only thing (which has no name in english) it got a bit tricky. Thanks!
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Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:'Course, if the guy had just stuck to the Japanese names/terms...
He's especially fortunate that there happened to be available equivalent names from the English dub for Baldigus's/Ruination's gun attacks that were able to replicate the format of the Japanese gun attack names in this comic cleverly enough, given how inconsistent the dub was about Ruination's attack names.william-james88 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:'Course, if the guy had just stuck to the Japanese names/terms...
I think he should have because in some cases, these become different characters with different continuities and back stories (like Trypticon).
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
I agree. So far, the most obscure Combiner-related fiction (the Unite Warriors comics and the TCC's "Of Masters and Mayhem" stories) have been the best, really good Combiner-related fiction of this and last year, whereas the Combiner-related fiction that was actually branded under the name "Combiner Wars" (the IDW Combiner Wars comic story arc, the BotCon 2016 "Dawn of the Predacus" comic, and the Machinima Combiner Wars cartoon) have all been the pits.Jetstorm92210 wrote:In a way this is the Japanese equivalent of the Combiner Wars cartoon and what the actual show should have been like if they actually cared, major props to Sakamoto for this labor of love.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
It's because Optimus had died so many times before that Vector Sigma was only able to revive him temporarily.ricemazter wrote:Can someone explain to me why Optimus only has seven days to live? Did he watch Samara Morgan's video tape or something? Also, is there anywhere online where translated versions of all of these exist in one place?
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:It's because Optimus had died so many times before that Vector Sigma was only able to revive him temporarily.ricemazter wrote:Can someone explain to me why Optimus only has seven days to live? Did he watch Samara Morgan's video tape or something? Also, is there anywhere online where translated versions of all of these exist in one place?
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Sabrblade wrote:It's because Optimus had died so many times before that Vector Sigma was only able to revive him temporarily.ricemazter wrote:Can someone explain to me why Optimus only has seven days to live? Did he watch Samara Morgan's video tape or something? Also, is there anywhere online where translated versions of all of these exist in one place?
Here's a head count for the JP cartoon continuity:
0) S2 "War Dawn", as Orion Pax (depending on view point)
1) Transformers: The Movie ("recreated" in the Headmasters episode "Four Warriors come out of the Sky")
2) Kiss Players
3) S3 "Dark Awakening"
4) The Headmasters "Birth of the Fantastic Double Convoy"
And then Unite Warriors, so between 3 and 5 times total, depending on how you count.
ricemazter wrote:JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Sabrblade wrote:It's because Optimus had died so many times before that Vector Sigma was only able to revive him temporarily.ricemazter wrote:Can someone explain to me why Optimus only has seven days to live? Did he watch Samara Morgan's video tape or something? Also, is there anywhere online where translated versions of all of these exist in one place?
Here's a head count for the JP cartoon continuity:
0) S2 "War Dawn", as Orion Pax (depending on view point)
1) Transformers: The Movie ("recreated" in the Headmasters episode "Four Warriors come out of the Sky")
2) Kiss Players
3) S3 "Dark Awakening"
4) The Headmasters "Birth of the Fantastic Double Convoy"
And then Unite Warriors, so between 3 and 5 times total, depending on how you count.
So does this count as "THE" Japanese transformers continuity as far as most fans over there are concerned? Aside from Regeneration One and War for Cybertron, before the aligned continuity absorbed it that is, it doesn't look like the US has anything that stretches that far back. Does Beast Wars, the RiD cartoon, or the Unicron trilogy fit in anywhere?
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