Unboxing Event gallery and video for Transformers War for Cybertron: SIEGE #NYCC 2018
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Last month at New York Comic-Con 2018, Hasbro held a Transformers War for Cybertron SIEGE unboxing event for a small group from the Transformers "Press". The products available for us to unbox were Wave 1 Deluxe Class (Cog, Sideswipe, Hound and Skytread), Voyager Class (Optimus Prime and Megatron), Micromasters (Air Strike Patrol, Battle Patrol and Race Car Patrol) and Battle Masters (Lionizer, Firedrive and Blowpipe).
At the time, this was our first time seeing Megatron, Skytread and Blowpipe, which was really cool since they had not been publicly unveiled yet. We were able to open up the toys from their packages, transform them, pose them and takes lots of pictures and videos to share with all of you at a later date.
Most of these pictures and videos have been outdone by in-hand pictures and videos of the figures since they started hitting retail in the past week. However, seeing all of these products in-hand in one video alongside multiple versions of the same toy is still pretty cool, especially for a new product line.
Later in the day, the Decepticons such as Soundwave, Ravage, Laserbeak, Brunt, Refraktor (Reflector), Shockwave and Starscream were also unveiled which can be seen in this news article from NYCC 2018. If you would like to see more images of the Autobots, you can see Ultra Magnus, Ironhide, and Chromia who were revealed this past summer at SDCC 2018, which you can view here.
Below is a small sample of the 140+ image gallery below. You can click on any of those images to view the full gallery. In addition, you can watch our video from the event below from Seibertron.com's YouTube Channel.
If you've missed out on our recent War for Cybertron galleries, you can view the War for Cybertron SIEGE Deluxe Class galleries and Voyager Class Optimus Prime and Megatron galleries.
At the time, this was our first time seeing Megatron, Skytread and Blowpipe, which was really cool since they had not been publicly unveiled yet. We were able to open up the toys from their packages, transform them, pose them and takes lots of pictures and videos to share with all of you at a later date.
Most of these pictures and videos have been outdone by in-hand pictures and videos of the figures since they started hitting retail in the past week. However, seeing all of these products in-hand in one video alongside multiple versions of the same toy is still pretty cool, especially for a new product line.
Later in the day, the Decepticons such as Soundwave, Ravage, Laserbeak, Brunt, Refraktor (Reflector), Shockwave and Starscream were also unveiled which can be seen in this news article from NYCC 2018. If you would like to see more images of the Autobots, you can see Ultra Magnus, Ironhide, and Chromia who were revealed this past summer at SDCC 2018, which you can view here.
Below is a small sample of the 140+ image gallery below. You can click on any of those images to view the full gallery. In addition, you can watch our video from the event below from Seibertron.com's YouTube Channel.
If you've missed out on our recent War for Cybertron galleries, you can view the War for Cybertron SIEGE Deluxe Class galleries and Voyager Class Optimus Prime and Megatron galleries.
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Re: Unboxing Event gallery and video for Transformers War for Cybertron: SIEGE #NYCC 2018 (1993553)
Posted by Cyberpath on November 11th, 2018 @ 2:33am CST
Sideswipe looks really nice. Even though Hasbro cheaped out on his weapons.
I will enjoy it and other figures through people's pix however, since this is very similar to the MP line in smaller scale. But looking forward to the ones I do have on pre-order!
Posted by Cyberpath on November 11th, 2018 @ 2:33am CST
Sideswipe looks really nice. Even though Hasbro cheaped out on his weapons.
I will enjoy it and other figures through people's pix however, since this is very similar to the MP line in smaller scale. But looking forward to the ones I do have on pre-order!
Re: Unboxing Event gallery and video for Transformers War for Cybertron: SIEGE #NYCC 2018 (1993562)
Posted by ZeroWolf on November 11th, 2018 @ 5:08am CST
Posted by ZeroWolf on November 11th, 2018 @ 5:08am CST
I really wish I could have been in that room 
it looked like an awesome time.
it looked like an awesome time.
Re: Unboxing Event gallery and video for Transformers War for Cybertron: SIEGE #NYCC 2018 (1993568)
Posted by steve2275 on November 11th, 2018 @ 6:23am CST
Posted by steve2275 on November 11th, 2018 @ 6:23am CST
look like fun was had by all
Re: Unboxing Event gallery and video for Transformers War for Cybertron: SIEGE #NYCC 2018 (1993576)
Posted by Wireless_Phantom on November 11th, 2018 @ 9:48am CST
Posted by Wireless_Phantom on November 11th, 2018 @ 9:48am CST
Man that must have been excellent. 
Re: Unboxing Event gallery and video for Transformers War for Cybertron: SIEGE #NYCC 2018 (1993593)
Posted by Hellscream9999 on November 11th, 2018 @ 12:58pm CST
Posted by Hellscream9999 on November 11th, 2018 @ 12:58pm CST
The new War for Cybertron Siege Micromasters have just been found at retail. With the Battle Masters, voyagers and deluxes already found at retail, that makes the leader class the only class left to be found at retail in the US. Yesterday Seibertron user Hellscream9999 nabbed the Airstrike Patrol and Autobot Battle Patrol. They were found at a Target in Oswego, Illinois using the DPCI: 087-16-3983. Thanks to the reciept, we see the price to be $9.99. Speaking of prices, private souces have confirmed that the MSRP for this line is the same as for the Studio Series meaning that the MSRP for deluxes is $19.99, $29.99 for voyagers and $49.99 for leaders. Retailers of course can price them as they wish so prices may vary.
So what do you make of these little guys? Let us know your thoughts and whether you'll be purchasing them in the comments below.
So what do you make of these little guys? Let us know your thoughts and whether you'll be purchasing them in the comments below.
Re: Unboxing Event gallery and video for Transformers War for Cybertron: SIEGE #NYCC 2018 (1993595)
Posted by Wireless_Phantom on November 11th, 2018 @ 1:15pm CST
I know I'll be getting them.
Posted by Wireless_Phantom on November 11th, 2018 @ 1:15pm CST
Hellscream9999 wrote:The new War for Cybertron Siege Micromaster's have just been found at retail, bringing the sightings for wave 1 to a close, as the rest of the wave 1 had been found recently. Yesterday Seibertron user Hellscream9999 nabbed the Airstrike Patrol and Autobot Battle Patrol. They were found at a Target in Oswego, Illinois using the DPCI: 087-16-3983.
So what do you make of these little guys? Let us know your thoughts and whether you'll be purchasing them in the comments below.
I know I'll be getting them.
Re: Unboxing Event gallery and video for Transformers War for Cybertron: SIEGE #NYCC 2018 (1993597)
Posted by Hellscream9999 on November 11th, 2018 @ 1:18pm CST
They're pretty great, the knee's really put them over the top; They're pretty dense too, the airstrike sword is actually really heavy
Posted by Hellscream9999 on November 11th, 2018 @ 1:18pm CST
Wireless_Phantom wrote:Hellscream9999 wrote:So what do you make of these little guys? Let us know your thoughts and whether you'll be purchasing them in the comments below.
I know I'll be getting them.
They're pretty great, the knee's really put them over the top; They're pretty dense too, the airstrike sword is actually really heavy
Re: Unboxing Event gallery and video for Transformers War for Cybertron: SIEGE #NYCC 2018 (1993599)
Posted by Hellscream9999 on November 11th, 2018 @ 1:28pm CST
Posted by Hellscream9999 on November 11th, 2018 @ 1:28pm CST
Lionizer's a lot of fun, but I wish you could hold it like a rifle, because the blade seems really stubby compared to the hilt, more like a bayonet than a full fledged sword... the 'swooshing' effect is great though, he definitely changed my mind on them for the melee weapons at least
Re: Unboxing Event gallery and video for Transformers War for Cybertron: SIEGE #NYCC 2018 (1993600)
Posted by Carnivius_Prime on November 11th, 2018 @ 1:33pm CST
Posted by Carnivius_Prime on November 11th, 2018 @ 1:33pm CST
I maaay get the Air Strike guys cos i had the original Micromasters (I won them from the Marvel UK comic when they did a competition) but I certainly won't use them in that goofy sword mode (the Star Saber from Armada was bad enough... what idiot thinks a bunch of smooshed jets could possibly work as a sword? There's so many things wrong with that and this combined form here just looks like Storm Cloud flew right into the back of Whisper) and they chose my fave two from the team of four for this double pack though Storm Cloud doesn't look great in either mode (the original toy looked better).
Re: Unboxing Event gallery and video for Transformers War for Cybertron: SIEGE #NYCC 2018 (1993605)
Posted by Carnivius_Prime on November 11th, 2018 @ 1:46pm CST
Posted by Carnivius_Prime on November 11th, 2018 @ 1:46pm CST
Having a couple of those Lionizers be SS Lockdown's Steeljaws for sure.
Re: Unboxing Event gallery and video for Transformers War for Cybertron: SIEGE #NYCC 2018 (1993610)
Posted by william-james88 on November 11th, 2018 @ 2:03pm CST
Posted by william-james88 on November 11th, 2018 @ 2:03pm CST
The recent Seibertron galleries have shown the Transformers Siege toys to be smaller than previous incarnations. For instance, Siege Megatron and Hound are shorter than Titans Return Megatron and Combiner Wars Hound respectively. But does that mean we are getting ripped off? Especially since the MSRP is now $19.99 for deluxes and $29.99 for voyagers? Well TF Fan West Lee, on Facebook, chose to look at this from a mass perspective. Figures in the past might be tall but if they are hollow, a very common complaint from fans, then maybe fixing that aspect might mean more material and thus lower the overall height for this line. And he found that this line offers more in terms of mass (and thus meterial) than previous lines. Here is what he had to say along with the images showing that Siege Megatron, for instance, has much more material than most other voyagers.
Not sure if I will news this or not.
Not sure if I will news this or not.
Have you seen the complaints that WFC-S figures are smaller than the previous figures? Well are they smaller? In terms of height, some Siege figures are slightly shorter yes, but in terms of mass? Well let's use facts here, people say that TR Megs is bigger than WFC-S Megs, well in terms of mass (g) the latter is bigger. Here are a few other comparisons. Based on the weights, the figures have NOT decreased in mass at all. The unified scale is the explanation as to why some are shorter. All in all, Siege is a massive improvement.
There is a misconception of cost / height, the height of a figure in relation to cost, saving, cutting etc is irrelevant, the weight is relevant, pay per gram not per inch, raw materials go by raw weight.
Re: Unboxing Event gallery and video for Transformers War for Cybertron: SIEGE #NYCC 2018 (1993613)
Posted by Emerje on November 11th, 2018 @ 2:13pm CST
Posted by Emerje on November 11th, 2018 @ 2:13pm CST
I'm curious what Ironhide weighs, articulation aside he looks like a Cyber Battalion figure from behind.
Emerje
Emerje
Re: Unboxing Event gallery and video for Transformers War for Cybertron: SIEGE #NYCC 2018 (1993615)
Posted by Carnivius_Prime on November 11th, 2018 @ 2:16pm CST
Posted by Carnivius_Prime on November 11th, 2018 @ 2:16pm CST
Hm have to say I'm more into how well they display with other figures as part of a collection, than I am about how much they weigh (their weight means nothing to me when gazing at them on my shelves).
Re: Unboxing Event gallery and video for Transformers War for Cybertron: SIEGE #NYCC 2018 (1993618)
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on November 11th, 2018 @ 2:30pm CST
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on November 11th, 2018 @ 2:30pm CST
If they're going to have more mass I think they should stretch it out more. I would happily take hollow sections (which EVERY regular line has had in some form and which people IMO people make too much noise about) if it ensured they didn't literally come up short next to Unicron Trilogy, mainline movieverse,and past CHUG figures. Hound isn't too bad compared to Universe Hound, but Sideswipe...
Agreed. Here I was looking forward to Siege Sideswipe as a cheaper alternative to the Universe one. But now...
Now, not so much.
Carnivius_Prime wrote:Hm have to say I'm more into how well they display with other figures as part of a collection, than I am about how much they weigh (their weight means nothing to me when gazing at them on my shelves).
Agreed. Here I was looking forward to Siege Sideswipe as a cheaper alternative to the Universe one. But now...
Now, not so much.
Re: Unboxing Event gallery and video for Transformers War for Cybertron: SIEGE #NYCC 2018 (1993622)
Posted by Skritz on November 11th, 2018 @ 2:47pm CST
Posted by Skritz on November 11th, 2018 @ 2:47pm CST
Can't wait to get a matching Targetmaster for my Triggerhappy and Hot Rod.
Re: Unboxing Event gallery and video for Transformers War for Cybertron: SIEGE #NYCC 2018 (1993639)
Posted by Mkall on November 11th, 2018 @ 4:13pm CST
Posted by Mkall on November 11th, 2018 @ 4:13pm CST
I'm curious how this matches the mass of other Voyagers from previous Generations lines.
Re: Unboxing Event gallery and video for Transformers War for Cybertron: SIEGE #NYCC 2018 (1993641)
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on November 11th, 2018 @ 4:38pm CST
Oh yeah. Cog and the Battle Masters are still very definitely "Take my money!" Even if Firedrive needs a mod right out of the package (migrating the barrel mount to the back of his knees) I'm still excited for him.
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on November 11th, 2018 @ 4:38pm CST
Skritz wrote:Can't wait to get a matching Targetmaster for my Triggerhappy and Hot Rod.
Oh yeah. Cog and the Battle Masters are still very definitely "Take my money!" Even if Firedrive needs a mod right out of the package (migrating the barrel mount to the back of his knees) I'm still excited for him.
Re: Unboxing Event gallery and video for Transformers War for Cybertron: SIEGE #NYCC 2018 (1993650)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on November 11th, 2018 @ 5:12pm CST
That would make him more similar to Pinpointer:
Transformers G1 1987 Pinpointer Gallery
But I see what you're going for. Still, G1 toy accuracy isn't all that's "crack"ed up to be (ha ha):
Transformers G1 1987 Peacemaker Gallery
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on November 11th, 2018 @ 5:12pm CST
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Skritz wrote:Can't wait to get a matching Targetmaster for my Triggerhappy and Hot Rod.
Oh yeah. Cog and the Battle Masters are still very definitely "Take my money!" Even if Firedrive needs a mod right out of the package (migrating the barrel mount to the back of his knees) I'm still excited for him.
That would make him more similar to Pinpointer:
Transformers G1 1987 Pinpointer Gallery
But I see what you're going for. Still, G1 toy accuracy isn't all that's "crack"ed up to be (ha ha):
Transformers G1 1987 Peacemaker Gallery
Re: Unboxing Event gallery and video for Transformers War for Cybertron: SIEGE #NYCC 2018 (1993668)
Posted by deliciouspeter on November 11th, 2018 @ 6:37pm CST
Posted by deliciouspeter on November 11th, 2018 @ 6:37pm CST
Fun. I hope someone weighs the leaders too.
They look great, but man those deluxes are short.
They look great, but man those deluxes are short.
Re: Unboxing Event gallery and video for Transformers War for Cybertron: SIEGE #NYCC 2018 (1993676)
Posted by Solrac333 on November 11th, 2018 @ 7:12pm CST
Posted by Solrac333 on November 11th, 2018 @ 7:12pm CST
Ok. Now weigh an $20 voyager Classics Optimus with this new $30 Optimus.
Re: Unboxing Event gallery and video for Transformers War for Cybertron: SIEGE #NYCC 2018 (1993677)
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on November 11th, 2018 @ 7:18pm CST
Eh, not really. As is very clear in that image you showed, Pinpointer's barrel mount is located on the backs of his feet, not the backs of his knees.
On Firebolt, the barrels are definitely attached to the back of the knees.
Maybe not, but I think it's important to have the general arrangement of things right, especially with the Targetmasters' gun modes since that's all they've got. As-is, Firedrive's gun mode... Forget the details, it's got the barrels sawn off and stuck to the lower back of the stock compared to the original!
...I may have obsessively studied the details of Fracas, Nightstick, Recoil, and Firebolt with an eye to building homemade ones for myself. Just maybe.
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on November 11th, 2018 @ 7:18pm CST
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Skritz wrote:Can't wait to get a matching Targetmaster for my Triggerhappy and Hot Rod.
Oh yeah. Cog and the Battle Masters are still very definitely "Take my money!" Even if Firedrive needs a mod right out of the package (migrating the barrel mount to the back of his knees) I'm still excited for him.
That would make him more similar to Pinpointer:
Eh, not really. As is very clear in that image you showed, Pinpointer's barrel mount is located on the backs of his feet, not the backs of his knees.
On Firebolt, the barrels are definitely attached to the back of the knees.
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:But I see what you're going for. Still, G1 toy accuracy isn't all that's "crack"ed up to be (ha ha):
Maybe not, but I think it's important to have the general arrangement of things right, especially with the Targetmasters' gun modes since that's all they've got. As-is, Firedrive's gun mode... Forget the details, it's got the barrels sawn off and stuck to the lower back of the stock compared to the original!
...I may have obsessively studied the details of Fracas, Nightstick, Recoil, and Firebolt with an eye to building homemade ones for myself. Just maybe.
Re: Unboxing Event gallery and video for Transformers War for Cybertron: SIEGE #NYCC 2018 (1993679)
Posted by Skritz on November 11th, 2018 @ 8:03pm CST
Posted by Skritz on November 11th, 2018 @ 8:03pm CST
I'm not too bothered by the transformation scheme on the gun-base Battlemasters. I imagine this was just some cost-cutting mixed with shared engineering. Make me wonder if people won't 3d print new gun parts to make custom targetmasters. 
Re: Unboxing Event gallery and video for Transformers War for Cybertron: SIEGE #NYCC 2018 (1993681)
Posted by william-james88 on November 11th, 2018 @ 8:14pm CST
If it was $20 in 2006 then it would be at least $25 today when considering inflation.
Posted by william-james88 on November 11th, 2018 @ 8:14pm CST
omega666 wrote:Ok. Now weigh an $20 voyager Classics Optimus with this new $30 Optimus.
If it was $20 in 2006 then it would be at least $25 today when considering inflation.
Re: Unboxing Event gallery and video for Transformers War for Cybertron: SIEGE #NYCC 2018 (1993686)
Posted by YoungPrime on November 11th, 2018 @ 8:26pm CST
Posted by YoungPrime on November 11th, 2018 @ 8:26pm CST
Not feeling the height of these Voyagers. You can tell that Starscream isn't even all that big which is those ports on his shoulders are so ridiculous tall.
Can't really defend more G1 characters or find a good enough reason to replace a lot of the CHUGS you already have when Hasbro is half@ssing everything but their prices.
Can't really defend more G1 characters or find a good enough reason to replace a lot of the CHUGS you already have when Hasbro is half@ssing everything but their prices.
Re: Unboxing Event gallery and video for Transformers War for Cybertron: SIEGE #NYCC 2018 (1993698)
Posted by Wolfman Jake on November 11th, 2018 @ 9:20pm CST
The Universe 2008 Sideswipe/Sunstreaker mold is REALLY big for a Deluxe Class figure, even back in the day, when all size classes were generally larger than they are now. It really makes what are essentially current par for the course sized figures look small by (unfair) comparison. Just judging by the comparison pics in the Seibertron galleriers, I can assure you that Siege Sideswipe is not as short as he seems next to his Universe 2008 counterpart, and out of context with contemporary Deluxe Class figures. He'll scale very nicely with anything from Thriling 30 onward.
Posted by Wolfman Jake on November 11th, 2018 @ 9:20pm CST
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Agreed. Here I was looking forward to Siege Sideswipe as a cheaper alternative to the Universe one. But now...
Now, not so much.
The Universe 2008 Sideswipe/Sunstreaker mold is REALLY big for a Deluxe Class figure, even back in the day, when all size classes were generally larger than they are now. It really makes what are essentially current par for the course sized figures look small by (unfair) comparison. Just judging by the comparison pics in the Seibertron galleriers, I can assure you that Siege Sideswipe is not as short as he seems next to his Universe 2008 counterpart, and out of context with contemporary Deluxe Class figures. He'll scale very nicely with anything from Thriling 30 onward.
Re: Unboxing Event gallery and video for Transformers War for Cybertron: SIEGE #NYCC 2018 (1993700)
Posted by Flashwave on November 11th, 2018 @ 9:31pm CST
Except the fan gripe is not solely limited to one figure, the toyline as a whole is averaging down. I'm not a Scale guy, as long as Big Guys are Big and Little Guys are Little, ans the size of things doeant really bother me, but they arent wrong in saying that the Deluxes as a qhole are shorter. Siege Hound is smaller than Universe Hound, and by comparion he's not nearly the biggest oy out of his pruce range. Am I gwtting Siege Hound? Absolutely, I want a g
Figure with a better foot and the clip that holds on the holp generator on my Uni Hound is showing a stress fracture. But I'm not sure I will even see him above the other guys on my shelf.
Posted by Flashwave on November 11th, 2018 @ 9:31pm CST
Wolfman Jake wrote:ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Agreed. Here I was looking forward to Siege Sideswipe as a cheaper alternative to the Universe one. But now...
Now, not so much.
The Universe 2008 Sideswipe/Sunstreaker mold is REALLY big for a Deluxe Class figure, even back in the day, when all size classes were generally larger than they are now. It really makes what are essentially current par for the course sized figures look small by (unfair) comparison. Just judging by the comparison pics in the Seibertron galleriers, I can assure you that Siege Sideswipe is not as short as he seems next to his Universe 2008 counterpart, and out of context with contemporary Deluxe Class figures. He'll scale very nicely with anything from Thriling 30 onward.
Except the fan gripe is not solely limited to one figure, the toyline as a whole is averaging down. I'm not a Scale guy, as long as Big Guys are Big and Little Guys are Little, ans the size of things doeant really bother me, but they arent wrong in saying that the Deluxes as a qhole are shorter. Siege Hound is smaller than Universe Hound, and by comparion he's not nearly the biggest oy out of his pruce range. Am I gwtting Siege Hound? Absolutely, I want a g
Figure with a better foot and the clip that holds on the holp generator on my Uni Hound is showing a stress fracture. But I'm not sure I will even see him above the other guys on my shelf.
Re: Unboxing Event gallery and video for Transformers War for Cybertron: SIEGE #NYCC 2018 (1993706)
Posted by Wolfman Jake on November 11th, 2018 @ 10:37pm CST
Yes, Deluxe Class figures are shorter, but that's been true since Fall of Cybertron/Thrilling 30. It's not a new "problem." The Siege figures aren't really appreciably different compared to like-classed figures from the Prime Wars Trilogy. In some instances, you can point out a figure that is a hair (mm or so) shorter than another from recent history, but the figure isn't really "smaller." That's why some people are looking at overall mass too. Siege Hound has a lot more bulk down in his calves, simply due to the transformation scheme. If it had been done differently, some of the extra mass in the legs might have ended up in the torso, making him just a bit taller. Some of the comparison pic can be misleading too. If all you're going off is something like this:
...then yes, Siege Hound looks shorter than Universe 2008 Hound, who in turn looks shorter than Combiner Wars Hound. The difference sure look significant in these pictures. However, what we're experiencing is a bit of an optical illusion. When the figures arranged as they are, left to right, with the smallest toys at the right and seemingly the largest at the left, our eyes are exaggerating the differences we're seeing, because we're expecting a size gradient based on how everything is arranged. The sharp drop off at the right end is making the differences at the left end seem more substantial than they actually are. (It also doesn't help that our perception of size differences is further compromised by the wide shot nature of this picture, putting the figures out in the "distance" of our visual field. Think of the moon illusion and how the moon looks different sizes at different distances from the visual horizon. The same issue happens here, on a much smaller scale (no pun intended). Take a look at these comparisons between only two figures at a time:
Suddenly, those height differences look a LOT less drastic. We've got nice, close up shots of these figures paired together in our "near vision field," making for less "guesstimating" on the part of our visual processing. Siege figures are really not smaller or shorter than what has come before in the past six years or so. If you were somehow expecting the figures were going to get "bigger" again, then you were setting yourself up for disappointment (and you haven't really been paying attention for the last several years). This is the new normal with Transformers figure scaling, and it has been like this for a while. If your collection is primarily based on figures from between 2006 and 2011, when all figures were bigger, you're definitely going to have some scale problems now. Siege figures are meant to fit in with more contemporary figures from Thrilling 30 and onwards, and they do that very well.
Posted by Wolfman Jake on November 11th, 2018 @ 10:37pm CST
Flashwave wrote:Except the fan gripe is not solely limited to one figure, the toyline as a whole is averaging down. I'm not a Scale guy, as long as Big Guys are Big and Little Guys are Little, ans the size of things doeant really bother me, but they arent wrong in saying that the Deluxes as a qhole are shorter. Siege Hound is smaller than Universe Hound, and by comparion he's not nearly the biggest oy out of his pruce range. Am I gwtting Siege Hound? Absolutely, I want a g
Figure with a better foot and the clip that holds on the holp generator on my Uni Hound is showing a stress fracture. But I'm not sure I will even see him above the other guys on my shelf.
Yes, Deluxe Class figures are shorter, but that's been true since Fall of Cybertron/Thrilling 30. It's not a new "problem." The Siege figures aren't really appreciably different compared to like-classed figures from the Prime Wars Trilogy. In some instances, you can point out a figure that is a hair (mm or so) shorter than another from recent history, but the figure isn't really "smaller." That's why some people are looking at overall mass too. Siege Hound has a lot more bulk down in his calves, simply due to the transformation scheme. If it had been done differently, some of the extra mass in the legs might have ended up in the torso, making him just a bit taller. Some of the comparison pic can be misleading too. If all you're going off is something like this:
...then yes, Siege Hound looks shorter than Universe 2008 Hound, who in turn looks shorter than Combiner Wars Hound. The difference sure look significant in these pictures. However, what we're experiencing is a bit of an optical illusion. When the figures arranged as they are, left to right, with the smallest toys at the right and seemingly the largest at the left, our eyes are exaggerating the differences we're seeing, because we're expecting a size gradient based on how everything is arranged. The sharp drop off at the right end is making the differences at the left end seem more substantial than they actually are. (It also doesn't help that our perception of size differences is further compromised by the wide shot nature of this picture, putting the figures out in the "distance" of our visual field. Think of the moon illusion and how the moon looks different sizes at different distances from the visual horizon. The same issue happens here, on a much smaller scale (no pun intended). Take a look at these comparisons between only two figures at a time:
Suddenly, those height differences look a LOT less drastic. We've got nice, close up shots of these figures paired together in our "near vision field," making for less "guesstimating" on the part of our visual processing. Siege figures are really not smaller or shorter than what has come before in the past six years or so. If you were somehow expecting the figures were going to get "bigger" again, then you were setting yourself up for disappointment (and you haven't really been paying attention for the last several years). This is the new normal with Transformers figure scaling, and it has been like this for a while. If your collection is primarily based on figures from between 2006 and 2011, when all figures were bigger, you're definitely going to have some scale problems now. Siege figures are meant to fit in with more contemporary figures from Thrilling 30 and onwards, and they do that very well.
Re: Unboxing Event gallery and video for Transformers War for Cybertron: SIEGE #NYCC 2018 (1993708)
Posted by Emerje on November 11th, 2018 @ 10:48pm CST
I said the same thing last week and it went largely ignored. The "Lambo" mold was ridiculously tall even next to other tall Universe figures like the "Datsun" mold. I don't know why people keep using the Sideswipe comparison as an example of how much the line has shrunk when that Universe figure is just so absurd.
It's going to be hard to properly judge sizes without actual measurements.
Emerje
Posted by Emerje on November 11th, 2018 @ 10:48pm CST
Wolfman Jake wrote:ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Agreed. Here I was looking forward to Siege Sideswipe as a cheaper alternative to the Universe one. But now...
Now, not so much.
The Universe 2008 Sideswipe/Sunstreaker mold is REALLY big for a Deluxe Class figure, even back in the day, when all size classes were generally larger than they are now. It really makes what are essentially current par for the course sized figures look small by (unfair) comparison. Just judging by the comparison pics in the Seibertron galleriers, I can assure you that Siege Sideswipe is not as short as he seems next to his Universe 2008 counterpart, and out of context with contemporary Deluxe Class figures. He'll scale very nicely with anything from Thriling 30 onward.
I said the same thing last week and it went largely ignored. The "Lambo" mold was ridiculously tall even next to other tall Universe figures like the "Datsun" mold. I don't know why people keep using the Sideswipe comparison as an example of how much the line has shrunk when that Universe figure is just so absurd.
It's going to be hard to properly judge sizes without actual measurements.
Emerje
Re: Unboxing Event gallery and video for Transformers War for Cybertron: SIEGE #NYCC 2018 (1993711)
Posted by Dr. Caelus on November 11th, 2018 @ 11:21pm CST
Combiner Wars Hound is crouching in the second picture.
Posted by Dr. Caelus on November 11th, 2018 @ 11:21pm CST
Wolfman Jake wrote:Take a look at these comparisons between only two figures at a time:
Suddenly, those height differences look a LOT less drastic. We've got nice, close up shots of these figures paired together in our "near vision field," making for less "guesstimating" on the part of our visual processing.
Combiner Wars Hound is crouching in the second picture.
Re: Unboxing Event gallery and video for Transformers War for Cybertron: SIEGE #NYCC 2018 (1993712)
Posted by SpikeyTigertron on November 11th, 2018 @ 11:44pm CST
Posted by SpikeyTigertron on November 11th, 2018 @ 11:44pm CST
I can see fans being salty a bout WFC:Siege being smaller than Combiner Wars figures... But as others have stated... Those are also more hollow, and effectively share a *lot* of engineering across the line saving costs (which they could budget into slightly larger figures?). Siege figures look more complex than any of the CW line.
As far as those that keep complaining "these aren't CHUG" (Pre-thrilling 30) again, as others have pointed out that was a time when plastic was cheaper and inflation was lower. While for being large-for-largeness-sake is one thing.... stylistically I wouldn't call them better figures than siege. Also nobody brings up Binaltech/Alternators.... if you want to talk about "big figures for your $". But I would also argue they haven't aged well (at least their robot modes).
As far as those that keep complaining "these aren't CHUG" (Pre-thrilling 30) again, as others have pointed out that was a time when plastic was cheaper and inflation was lower. While for being large-for-largeness-sake is one thing.... stylistically I wouldn't call them better figures than siege. Also nobody brings up Binaltech/Alternators.... if you want to talk about "big figures for your $". But I would also argue they haven't aged well (at least their robot modes).
Re: Unboxing Event gallery and video for Transformers War for Cybertron: SIEGE #NYCC 2018 (1993713)
Posted by SpikeyTigertron on November 11th, 2018 @ 11:45pm CST
Posted by SpikeyTigertron on November 11th, 2018 @ 11:45pm CST
One could also argue by the figures trending smaller in the current line... they'd *scale better* with the Combiner War combiners in gestalt mode?!
Re: Unboxing Event gallery and video for Transformers War for Cybertron: SIEGE #NYCC 2018 (1993715)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on November 12th, 2018 @ 12:07am CST
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on November 12th, 2018 @ 12:07am CST
The weight is an important factor to consider, because of a property you should have learned in physics: density.
Even if the figures shrink in terms of height or volume, if the weight (technically its mass) remains the same, more is squeezed into a certain space, which results into more being possible when it comes to transformation, articulation and possibly the thickness and quality of the plastic.
Out of curiosity, with the standards set by Siege, how do figures of other lines weigh in? Not just the current Cyberverse line, but older main lines as well.
Even if the figures shrink in terms of height or volume, if the weight (technically its mass) remains the same, more is squeezed into a certain space, which results into more being possible when it comes to transformation, articulation and possibly the thickness and quality of the plastic.
Out of curiosity, with the standards set by Siege, how do figures of other lines weigh in? Not just the current Cyberverse line, but older main lines as well.
Re: Unboxing Event gallery and video for Transformers War for Cybertron: SIEGE #NYCC 2018 (1993725)
Posted by SpikeyTigertron on November 12th, 2018 @ 3:17am CST
That's a good question.... My guess would be the Unicron Trilogy would be the "current" heavy-weights. Though some of the first series of movie toys could surprise people.
But taking a cross section of Thrilling 30/Age of Extinction/Studio and CW trilogy could get interesting.
Posted by SpikeyTigertron on November 12th, 2018 @ 3:17am CST
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:The weight is an important factor to consider, because of a property you should have learned in physics: density.
Even if the figures shrink in terms of height or volume, if the weight (technically its mass) remains the same, more is squeezed into a certain space, which results into more being possible when it comes to transformation, articulation and possibly the thickness and quality of the plastic.
Out of curiosity, with the standards set by Siege, how do figures of other lines weigh in? Not just the current Cyberverse line, but older main lines as well.
That's a good question.... My guess would be the Unicron Trilogy would be the "current" heavy-weights. Though some of the first series of movie toys could surprise people.
But taking a cross section of Thrilling 30/Age of Extinction/Studio and CW trilogy could get interesting.
Re: Unboxing Event gallery and video for Transformers War for Cybertron: SIEGE #NYCC 2018 (1993731)
Posted by X3ROhour on November 12th, 2018 @ 7:16am CST
Posted by X3ROhour on November 12th, 2018 @ 7:16am CST
is anyone else bothered
by the fact
that Skytread
doesn't become
two separate bots
as well as vehicles?
or is that just me?
maybe i missed a post.
by the fact
that Skytread
doesn't become
two separate bots
as well as vehicles?
or is that just me?
maybe i missed a post.
Re: Unboxing Event gallery and video for Transformers War for Cybertron: SIEGE #NYCC 2018 (1993732)
Posted by Hellscream9999 on November 12th, 2018 @ 7:24am CST
I am, but I guess we're in the minority
Posted by Hellscream9999 on November 12th, 2018 @ 7:24am CST
Z3ROhour wrote:is anyone else bothered
by the fact
that Skytread
doesn't become
two separate bots
as well as vehicles?
or is that just me?
maybe i missed a post.
I am, but I guess we're in the minority
Re: Unboxing Event gallery and video for Transformers War for Cybertron: SIEGE #NYCC 2018 (1993734)
Posted by durroth on November 12th, 2018 @ 7:48am CST
Honestly I'm more bothered by the fact Battletrap *does*, but that's just me.
Also, I vote we use Generations Trailbreaker as the standard measure for things getting shorter. If its not shorter than trailbreaker we're probably fine.
Posted by durroth on November 12th, 2018 @ 7:48am CST
Hellscream9999 wrote:Z3ROhour wrote:is anyone else bothered
by the fact
that Skytread
doesn't become
two separate bots
as well as vehicles?
or is that just me?
maybe i missed a post.
I am, but I guess we're in the minority
Honestly I'm more bothered by the fact Battletrap *does*, but that's just me.
Also, I vote we use Generations Trailbreaker as the standard measure for things getting shorter. If its not shorter than trailbreaker we're probably fine.
Re: Unboxing Event gallery and video for Transformers War for Cybertron: SIEGE #NYCC 2018 (1993735)
Posted by wolverinetodd on November 12th, 2018 @ 7:53am CST
I'm a bit disappointed by that fact, but then Hasbro spoiled us by giving us two completely new Legends Class figures in POTP with Roadtrap and Battleslash to create Battletrap. Originally both Duocons were comprised of two vehicle alt modes that didn't have individual Con modes, but both vehicles combined to form one Con, just as we're seeing with Siege Skytread. If Hasbro had introduced Battletrap into the POTP Deluxe Class line as just one Con that transforms into two different vehicles, as it was originally in G1, then the reveal of Siege Skytread (Flywheels) wouldn't be an issue. Apparently there's no Legends Class in the WFC line, otherwise we might would've gotten a "Skyspear" and a "Dirt-Tread" that combine to form Skytread.
Considering I'm going to display both my POTP Battletrap and WFC Siege Skytread (Flywheels) in their combined Deluxe Class size Con forms, I'm okay with the way Skytread is.
Posted by wolverinetodd on November 12th, 2018 @ 7:53am CST
Z3ROhour wrote:is anyone else bothered
by the fact
that Skytread
doesn't become
two separate bots
as well as vehicles?
or is that just me?
maybe i missed a post.
I'm a bit disappointed by that fact, but then Hasbro spoiled us by giving us two completely new Legends Class figures in POTP with Roadtrap and Battleslash to create Battletrap. Originally both Duocons were comprised of two vehicle alt modes that didn't have individual Con modes, but both vehicles combined to form one Con, just as we're seeing with Siege Skytread. If Hasbro had introduced Battletrap into the POTP Deluxe Class line as just one Con that transforms into two different vehicles, as it was originally in G1, then the reveal of Siege Skytread (Flywheels) wouldn't be an issue. Apparently there's no Legends Class in the WFC line, otherwise we might would've gotten a "Skyspear" and a "Dirt-Tread" that combine to form Skytread.
Considering I'm going to display both my POTP Battletrap and WFC Siege Skytread (Flywheels) in their combined Deluxe Class size Con forms, I'm okay with the way Skytread is.
Re: Unboxing Event gallery and video for Transformers War for Cybertron: SIEGE #NYCC 2018 (1993737)
Posted by Carnivius_Prime on November 12th, 2018 @ 8:33am CST
I think Skytread looks far better and has a more pleasing aesthetic and colour layout than Battletrap and obviously easier to buy both vehicles needed to make him since they're both in one Deluxe package whereas Battletrap's were two seperate Legends purchases (which often cost a fair chunk more than one Deluxe and many stores ran out of one or the other forcing customers to wait or look elsewhere before combining them into his actual true form). Some aspects of Battletrap's design feel worsened by making both sections into their own robot forms (Battletrap's hands in particular). That said, the arms of Skytread being quite noticable as junk under his jet component is somewhat off-putting but otherwise I think his vehicle components both look better than those of Battletrap. Can't have it all. Heck, part of the appeal of the original Duocon toys was the oddly satisfying (though purposely simplistic) transformation of pressing the air vehicle on top of the ground vehicle to make the robot pop into shape. I liked that but yeah...
Posted by Carnivius_Prime on November 12th, 2018 @ 8:33am CST
durroth wrote:Hellscream9999 wrote:Z3ROhour wrote:is anyone else bothered
by the fact
that Skytread
doesn't become
two separate bots
as well as vehicles?
or is that just me?
maybe i missed a post.
I am, but I guess we're in the minority
Honestly I'm more bothered by the fact Battletrap *does*, but that's just me.
I think Skytread looks far better and has a more pleasing aesthetic and colour layout than Battletrap and obviously easier to buy both vehicles needed to make him since they're both in one Deluxe package whereas Battletrap's were two seperate Legends purchases (which often cost a fair chunk more than one Deluxe and many stores ran out of one or the other forcing customers to wait or look elsewhere before combining them into his actual true form). Some aspects of Battletrap's design feel worsened by making both sections into their own robot forms (Battletrap's hands in particular). That said, the arms of Skytread being quite noticable as junk under his jet component is somewhat off-putting but otherwise I think his vehicle components both look better than those of Battletrap. Can't have it all. Heck, part of the appeal of the original Duocon toys was the oddly satisfying (though purposely simplistic) transformation of pressing the air vehicle on top of the ground vehicle to make the robot pop into shape. I liked that but yeah...
Re: Unboxing Event gallery and video for Transformers War for Cybertron: SIEGE #NYCC 2018 (1993746)
Posted by o.supreme on November 12th, 2018 @ 9:43am CST
So...our toys are getting fatter, like me, not necessarily a good thing
Posted by o.supreme on November 12th, 2018 @ 9:43am CST
william-james88 wrote:The recent Seibertron galleries have shown the Transformers Siege toys to be smaller than previous incarnations. For instance, Siege Megatron and Hound are shorter than Titans Return Megatron and Combiner Wars Hound respectively. But does that mean we are getting ripped off? Especially since the MSRP is now $19.99 for deluxes and $29.99 for voyagers? Well TF Fan West Lee, on Facebook, chose to look at this from a mass perspective. Figures in the past might be tall but if they are hollow, a very common complaint from fans, then maybe fixing that aspect might mean more material and thus lower the overall height for this line. And he found that this line offers more in terms of mass (and thus meterial) than previous lines. Here is what he had to say along with the images showing that Siege Megatron, for instance, has much more material than most other voyagers.
So...our toys are getting fatter, like me, not necessarily a good thing
Re: Unboxing Event gallery and video for Transformers War for Cybertron: SIEGE #NYCC 2018 (1993753)
Posted by Emerje on November 12th, 2018 @ 10:44am CST
Muscle weighs more than fat and this is looking like a strong series.
Emerje
Posted by Emerje on November 12th, 2018 @ 10:44am CST
o.supreme wrote:So...our toys are getting fatter, like me, not necessarily a good thing
Muscle weighs more than fat and this is looking like a strong series.
Emerje
Re: Unboxing Event gallery and video for Transformers War for Cybertron: SIEGE #NYCC 2018 (1993755)
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on November 12th, 2018 @ 10:52am CST
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on November 12th, 2018 @ 10:52am CST
The Universe Sideswipe mold is only half a head taller than Titans Return Highbrow (I happen to own Red Alert so I can check such things). It's tall next to, say, Generations Wheeljack but that's because he's squat like the original Wheeljack toy was.
Regarding Skytread and Battletrap:
1. The original Duocon toys never had separate robot modes for the components, so Battleslash and Roadtrap are effectively a bonus feature and nothing more.
2. Power of the Primes had a mandate that all regular retail Deluxes be combiner limbs, so Battletrap was forced to be split between two Legends-class releases to come out at normal retail. Battleslash and Roadtrap were hastily made up because Hasbro couldn't justifiably sell toys that, on their own, were only half a robot.
And now some questions about Cog:
1. Do Gasket and Grommet use the same connector as the Duocons?
2. Has anyone tested whether either Gasket or Grommet can work as a Titan Master taxi as-is?
Regarding Skytread and Battletrap:
1. The original Duocon toys never had separate robot modes for the components, so Battleslash and Roadtrap are effectively a bonus feature and nothing more.
2. Power of the Primes had a mandate that all regular retail Deluxes be combiner limbs, so Battletrap was forced to be split between two Legends-class releases to come out at normal retail. Battleslash and Roadtrap were hastily made up because Hasbro couldn't justifiably sell toys that, on their own, were only half a robot.
And now some questions about Cog:
1. Do Gasket and Grommet use the same connector as the Duocons?
2. Has anyone tested whether either Gasket or Grommet can work as a Titan Master taxi as-is?
Re: Unboxing Event gallery and video for Transformers War for Cybertron: SIEGE #NYCC 2018 (1993757)
Posted by o.supreme on November 12th, 2018 @ 11:00am CST
I know you added that "retail" part to justify Punch/Counterpunch, but I'd like to see said mandate. Also you can spin it the opposite way. One could say that Skytread was initially planned to be part of PotP, but because it was reduced to a 12 month line, Hasbro cut costs by ditching the individual bot mode designs, and just released it as a deluxe for the Siege line. ...I'm not saying this has any merit, but it is just as likely theorizing.
Posted by o.supreme on November 12th, 2018 @ 11:00am CST
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Power of the Primes had a mandate that all regular retail Deluxes be combiner limbs, so Battletrap was forced to be split between two Legends-class releases to come out at normal retail. Battleslash and Roadtrap were hastily made up because Hasbro couldn't justifiably sell toys that, on their own, were only half a robot.
I know you added that "retail" part to justify Punch/Counterpunch, but I'd like to see said mandate. Also you can spin it the opposite way. One could say that Skytread was initially planned to be part of PotP, but because it was reduced to a 12 month line, Hasbro cut costs by ditching the individual bot mode designs, and just released it as a deluxe for the Siege line. ...I'm not saying this has any merit, but it is just as likely theorizing.
Re: Unboxing Event gallery and video for Transformers War for Cybertron: SIEGE #NYCC 2018 (1993758)
Posted by YoungPrime on November 12th, 2018 @ 11:04am CST
I was never that big a fan of that 2.0 Sideswipe mold. I honestly wish that Ironhide, Ratchet and Trailbreaker were that height and bulk in bot mode. While Siege Sideswipe's height would be fine.
Posted by YoungPrime on November 12th, 2018 @ 11:04am CST
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Agreed. Here I was looking forward to Siege Sideswipe as a cheaper alternative to the Universe one. But now...
Now, not so much.
I was never that big a fan of that 2.0 Sideswipe mold. I honestly wish that Ironhide, Ratchet and Trailbreaker were that height and bulk in bot mode. While Siege Sideswipe's height would be fine.
Re: Unboxing Event gallery and video for Transformers War for Cybertron: SIEGE #NYCC 2018 (1993759)
Posted by Evil Eye on November 12th, 2018 @ 11:08am CST
Posted by Evil Eye on November 12th, 2018 @ 11:08am CST
You know one of the things I'm happiest about with Siege? The Weaponizer gimmick is entirely based around 5mm ports, which means not only can you (as Ryan did) go crazy with mega-combinations, but literally any figure with 5mm ports is technically cross-compatible with the line. Like, if I'm not very much mistaken, Cog's torso/shield component could easily mount on Rook's shoulder, which combined with his already-present "power fist" gimmick with his combiner hand would allow for him to take his "violence arm" thing up to 11. Likewise, MechTech figures from DOTM made ample use of 5mm pegs and ports, so they can join in the fun too.
Re: Unboxing Event gallery and video for Transformers War for Cybertron: SIEGE #NYCC 2018 (1993760)
Posted by Carnivius_Prime on November 12th, 2018 @ 11:14am CST
Mentioned a couple times that I'm almost certainly buying a couple of Lionizers to go with my SS Lockdown as his Steeljaws but I'll likely take photos of him wielding them in weapon form too. Using Firedrive with Titans Return Hot Rod probably gives him a decent gun (cos the two supplied with him looked ridiculous with the hollowed out seating space for the Titan Master) so he can stop envying the Takara version in that aspect. So yeah. More weapons are always a good thing! (I've always wanted weapon packs for Transformers, to help arm up all those who don't have a gun or could use more anyways) As long as they don't look silly like the Micromasters combined 'weapon' forms and actually look feasible as guns and melee weapons and such.
Posted by Carnivius_Prime on November 12th, 2018 @ 11:14am CST
Black Hat wrote:You know one of the things I'm happiest about with Siege? The Weaponizer gimmick is entirely based around 5mm ports, which means not only can you (as Ryan did) go crazy with mega-combinations, but literally any figure with 5mm ports is technically cross-compatible with the line. Like, if I'm not very much mistaken, Cog's torso/shield component could easily mount on Rook's shoulder, which combined with his already-present "power fist" gimmick with his combiner hand would allow for him to take his "violence arm" thing up to 11. Likewise, MechTech figures from DOTM made ample use of 5mm pegs and ports, so they can join in the fun too.
Mentioned a couple times that I'm almost certainly buying a couple of Lionizers to go with my SS Lockdown as his Steeljaws but I'll likely take photos of him wielding them in weapon form too. Using Firedrive with Titans Return Hot Rod probably gives him a decent gun (cos the two supplied with him looked ridiculous with the hollowed out seating space for the Titan Master) so he can stop envying the Takara version in that aspect. So yeah. More weapons are always a good thing! (I've always wanted weapon packs for Transformers, to help arm up all those who don't have a gun or could use more anyways) As long as they don't look silly like the Micromasters combined 'weapon' forms and actually look feasible as guns and melee weapons and such.
Re: Unboxing Event gallery and video for Transformers War for Cybertron: SIEGE #NYCC 2018 (1993762)
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on November 12th, 2018 @ 11:31am CST
I'm pretty sure someone has a quote from an interview or announcement handy about it, I seem to recall reading it in the PotP thread. And it's similar to the "Evewrybody above Legends is a Headmaster" mandate from Titans Return.
The mandate is evident in the Dinobots, in Jazz and Moonracer, in making Dreadwind and Blackwing from the Skydive and Air Raid molds (instead of something more suitable, especially in Dreadwind's case). It's also present at the Voyager level, resulting in Grimlock and Starscream's molds being made into combiner torsos. While I think the Dinobots, Jazz, Moonracer, and Starscream/Elita pull it off with aplomb... it's still something they weren't originally but had to be because of the line's directives.
If Skytread had been planned to have separate robot modes for his components - which I doubt - there would likely be vestigial traces.
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on November 12th, 2018 @ 11:31am CST
o.supreme wrote:ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Power of the Primes had a mandate that all regular retail Deluxes be combiner limbs, so Battletrap was forced to be split between two Legends-class releases to come out at normal retail. Battleslash and Roadtrap were hastily made up because Hasbro couldn't justifiably sell toys that, on their own, were only half a robot.
I know you added that "retail" part to justify Punch/Counterpunch, but I'd like to see said mandate. Also you can spin it the opposite way. One could say that Skytread was initially planned to be part of PotP, but because it was reduced to a 12 month line, Hasbro cut costs by ditching the individual bot mode designs, and just released it as a deluxe for the Siege line. ...I'm not saying this has any merit, but it is just as likely theorizing.
I'm pretty sure someone has a quote from an interview or announcement handy about it, I seem to recall reading it in the PotP thread. And it's similar to the "Evewrybody above Legends is a Headmaster" mandate from Titans Return.
The mandate is evident in the Dinobots, in Jazz and Moonracer, in making Dreadwind and Blackwing from the Skydive and Air Raid molds (instead of something more suitable, especially in Dreadwind's case). It's also present at the Voyager level, resulting in Grimlock and Starscream's molds being made into combiner torsos. While I think the Dinobots, Jazz, Moonracer, and Starscream/Elita pull it off with aplomb... it's still something they weren't originally but had to be because of the line's directives.
If Skytread had been planned to have separate robot modes for his components - which I doubt - there would likely be vestigial traces.
Re: Unboxing Event gallery and video for Transformers War for Cybertron: SIEGE #NYCC 2018 (1993764)
Posted by ScottyP on November 12th, 2018 @ 12:18pm CST
Posted by ScottyP on November 12th, 2018 @ 12:18pm CST
I wouldn't use the term "bothered", but I am definitely disappointed that it doesn't. This is not because I necessarily want a Flywheels like that, it's because PotP Battletrap was amazing and I would like more toys similar to it.Hellscream9999 wrote:Z3ROhour wrote:is anyone else bothered
by the fact
that Skytread
doesn't become
two separate bots
as well as vehicles?
or is that just me?
maybe i missed a post.
I am, but I guess we're in the minority
Re: Unboxing Event gallery and video for Transformers War for Cybertron: SIEGE #NYCC 2018 (1993766)
Posted by o.supreme on November 12th, 2018 @ 12:27pm CST
Posted by o.supreme on November 12th, 2018 @ 12:27pm CST
Honestly, my disappointment, doesn't come from the toys themselves, Both Battletrap, and Skytread are uniquely great on their own. It's just the lack of consistency on the part of Hasbro that bugs me. Make them both with individual bot modes & combined mode, or just a combined mode, is all I would wish.
Re: Unboxing Event gallery and video for Transformers War for Cybertron: SIEGE #NYCC 2018 (1993771)
Posted by Galvatronian on November 12th, 2018 @ 12:53pm CST
Posted by Galvatronian on November 12th, 2018 @ 12:53pm CST
Hadn't quite seen it that way, as like some others I agreed that battletrap should have been like skytread, but you reminded me of the joy of him when I first got him (having no idea there was a combined mode) and just exactly why it won toy of the year.
On the other note, we ask for less hollow transformers, they give it, then we're unhappy they are smaller? it just stands to reason, you can't have tall toys, no hallowness, the same price, good in both alts modes AND that intuitive/complex but not too complex, with a twist of clever transformation, it just doesn't work. More plastic, higher price. Scale up sideswipe or hound by a cm (1/3 of an inch), and it's volume increases a lot, probably putting up to voyager price point. If you really want perfect bots to perfect scale, not just fun kids toys with a g1 aesthetic buy masterpiece!
On the other note, we ask for less hollow transformers, they give it, then we're unhappy they are smaller? it just stands to reason, you can't have tall toys, no hallowness, the same price, good in both alts modes AND that intuitive/complex but not too complex, with a twist of clever transformation, it just doesn't work. More plastic, higher price. Scale up sideswipe or hound by a cm (1/3 of an inch), and it's volume increases a lot, probably putting up to voyager price point. If you really want perfect bots to perfect scale, not just fun kids toys with a g1 aesthetic buy masterpiece!
Re: Unboxing Event gallery and video for Transformers War for Cybertron: SIEGE #NYCC 2018 (1993774)
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on November 12th, 2018 @ 1:34pm CST
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on November 12th, 2018 @ 1:34pm CST
Or, here's a thought, you people could stop acting like hollow thighs and such ruin a toy. Seriously, they aren't nearly as bad as people make them out to be, get over it already.
I would rather have a Generations figure with hollow bits if it means said figure can stand next to both other CHUG toys and toys from mainline series (RiD, Unicron Trilogy, movieverse, Animated, Prime) without looking like a midget! That's half the fun of the CHUG toys in the first place. We're not asking for perfect scale, just for "good enough" scale. And the degree of shrinkage seen... It keeps them from being good enough.
I would rather have a Generations figure with hollow bits if it means said figure can stand next to both other CHUG toys and toys from mainline series (RiD, Unicron Trilogy, movieverse, Animated, Prime) without looking like a midget! That's half the fun of the CHUG toys in the first place. We're not asking for perfect scale, just for "good enough" scale. And the degree of shrinkage seen... It keeps them from being good enough.
