New Gallery: War for Cybertron: SIEGE Voyager Class Optimus Prime

Emerje wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:To be fair, I think it's likely that scorpy will see a release as the the titan after omega since he's the last big guy to sort out (who we get for titans after that will be interesting to see)

Between TRU closing, Hasbro being forced to release a bunch of employees, Leader class shrinking, and a lot of Walmarts not even carrying Leaders I'm not sure if we'll see another Titan after Scorponok assuming we get him at all. Hasbro seems to be having increasing trouble getting large Transformers into US retail and they aren't worth the risks.

Emerje

Seibertron wrote:

Emerje wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:To be fair, I think it's likely that scorpy will see a release as the the titan after omega since he's the last big guy to sort out (who we get for titans after that will be interesting to see)

Between TRU closing, Hasbro being forced to release a bunch of employees, Leader class shrinking, and a lot of Walmarts not even carrying Leaders I'm not sure if we'll see another Titan after Scorponok assuming we get him at all. Hasbro seems to be having increasing trouble getting large Transformers into US retail and they aren't worth the risks.

Emerje

Aside from Toys R Us, when were any Titan Class figures found at retail in the US?

william-james88 wrote:Do you count specialty stores like Think Geek? And do you count Costco? There were titans at both those locations. I am unaware if Predaking was found at those.

william-james88 wrote:Thanks to a few different sources like Ladypapa on E-bay and In Demand Toys on Facebook we have all the stock images for the wave 1 figures in Transformers Siege.

william-james88 wrote:Sure the channels of purchasing are changing but that is for retail as a whole and it doesnt mean there are less sales.

Lunatic Prime wrote:Why are the Battle Master's weapons detachable?

And why do they have 3 mm pegs/handles? As far as I can see there are no figures with 3 mm ports in this line.

Flashwave wrote:

Lunatic Prime wrote:Why are the Battle Master's weapons detachable?

And why do they have 3 mm pegs/handles? As far as I can see there are no figures with 3 mm ports in this line.

My guess, its either a stress joint desingied to give rathwr than break. But Blowpipe d9es have ports behind his wrists, so maybe he can mount the gun?

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Flashwave wrote:

Lunatic Prime wrote:Why are the Battle Master's weapons detachable?

And why do they have 3 mm pegs/handles? As far as I can see there are no figures with 3 mm ports in this line.

My guess, its either a stress joint desingied to give rathwr than break. But Blowpipe d9es have ports behind his wrists, so maybe he can mount the gun?

Consider the Battle Masters a continuation of the Prime Master Decoy Suits, which had the same features and are of the same size. The 3mm ports are leftover standard from DotM and Prime's Cyberverse line.

william-james88 wrote:Who else would you have picked to fill the vyager slot for an Autobot?

Skritz wrote:I guess at this rate we'll never get Star Saber and Deathsaurus, huh?

william-james88 wrote:At this point last year, we had a very good idea at the entirety of the Power of the Primes line and due to all the listings found across various Amazon sites, it might be the same with Siege, at least for the Deluxe, Voyager and Leader Figures. We had newsed them as they came in but now we will list all the toys we know that are within the Siege line. This might not mean that this is the entirety for all classes, but it is all the listings out now for this one year line. The deluxe and voyagers output at least seems complete, as far as mainline toys go. Make of it what you will. The big entry here that people may have missed is a leader sized Optimus Prime that is slated for later in 2019.

You will notice that certain expected redecos are not listed, such as Skywarp, and the other Datsuns (Bluestreak and Smokescreen). Skywarp's current absence is reinforced by him not being present on the recent promotional material for the Decepticon releases. These may of course end up as exclusives, just like Ratchet is, or released in later lines within the War for Cybertron trilogy.

Deluxes:
E3520 Sideswipe
E3535 Skytread/flywheels
E3537 Hound
E3536 Cog
E3539 Chromia
E3538 Ironhide
E3540 Prowl
E4738 Sixgun
E4496 Red alert
E4497 Refraktor
E4498 Barricade
E4499 Brunt
E4500 Mirage
E4501 Impactor
Ratchet is exclusive to Walgreens, UPC 63050983224

Voyagers:
E3541 Optimus Prime
E3543 Megatron
E3544 Starscream
E3545 Soundwave
E4490 Thundercracker
E4491 Springer

Leaders:
E3479 Ultra Magnus
E3576 Shockwave
E4522 Optimus Prime

I just realized that the cassette-bot on Soundwave's arm there is blue.

Deadput wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Who else would you have picked to fill the vyager slot for an Autobot?

Big Red

YES I KNEW I WASN'T THE ONLY ONE WHO REMEMBERED HIS EXISTENCE

Emerje wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:To be fair, I think it's likely that scorpy will see a release as the the titan after omega since he's the last big guy to sort out (who we get for titans after that will be interesting to see)

Between TRU closing, Hasbro being forced to release a bunch of employees, Leader class shrinking, and a lot of Walmarts not even carrying Leaders I'm not sure if we'll see another Titan after Scorponok assuming we get him at all. Hasbro seems to be having increasing trouble getting large Transformers into US retail and they aren't worth the risks.

Emerje

Skritz wrote:Man, if they have a Leader Optimus in eacb line it's going to suck and warm shelves like crazy.

Skritz wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

Skritz wrote:Well I like the current scale, so whatever.

But what is the current (or previous scale?)

My current collection began mostly with Titans Return, with some Combiner Wars and the odd T30 toy. Which mean for the most part everything fits together nicely with some decent scale and some shared aesthetics.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:What does irk me a bit is that Starscream got promoted to Voyager Class, but that's me being used to most jets being in Deluxe Class.

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Saw this on Twitter and had to share: What if Shockwave's armor is designed to mount on Omega Supreme? Like, Omega's head can come off, and Shockwave's armor can replace it in a reference to the Animated Lugnut Supremes?

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Saw this on Twitter and had to share: What if Shockwave's armor is designed to mount on Omega Supreme? Like, Omega's head can come off, and Shockwave's armor can replace it in a reference to the Animated Lugnut Supremes?

william-james88 wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:Oh no argument here about Shockwave but I do believe it's because the voyager slots were full. Though on saying that, did they need to release Springer here? Or is that because they plan on releasing all the wreckers over the next three years...

I think we are pretty set on wreckers aside from Ironfist, with impactor coming later next year. I think Springer was chosen because they wanted another autobot for a voyager slot (since most are decepticons) and of all the voyager class toys one would need for this redo of G1, Gen Springer was both the oldest triplechanger left to redo and least true to his G1 look (boxy helicopter). Of course that also goes for Sandstorm but that character is much less famous. Basically, I think they wanted all their heavy hitters present in Siege.

Who else would you have picked to fill the vyager slot for an Autobot?

crash8burnt wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:Oh no argument here about Shockwave but I do believe it's because the voyager slots were full. Though on saying that, did they need to release Springer here? Or is that because they plan on releasing all the wreckers over the next three years...

I think we are pretty set on wreckers aside from Ironfist, with impactor coming later next year. I think Springer was chosen because they wanted another autobot for a voyager slot (since most are decepticons) and of all the voyager class toys one would need for this redo of G1, Gen Springer was both the oldest triplechanger left to redo and least true to his G1 look (boxy helicopter). Of course that also goes for Sandstorm but that character is much less famous. Basically, I think they wanted all their heavy hitters present in Siege.

Who else would you have picked to fill the vyager slot for an Autobot?

Who to pick for voyager?? That's an easy choice : Ironhide! There's so many bots to fill in the deluxe and Ironhide got to be voyager class. Only Hasbro finds it hard to decided.. They should go back to the G1 toys era, where the releasing of bots and cons were fairly even and matching. Do away this silly wave thing, where the selection and distribution of the toys were so messed up since the prime wars. Still fuming where I couldn't complete the pretenders with the missing Waverider?!?!, incomplete triple changers, only cons targetmasters without any bots to go along ?!?! (not counting kup and hot rod), only leader class prime and rod without meg and gal, and so on.

Earlier on I heard that Hasbro got into some difficulties. I was actually quite hopeful that another company can take over the making of transformers. I know this is close to impossible. The 3rd parties are producing so many matching bots and cons with quality materials. So cmon Hasbro, if u can do it in the 80s, Im sure u can do a better job now.

Emerje wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Sure the channels of purchasing are changing but that is for retail as a whole and it doesnt mean there are less sales.

If it were business as usual then Hasbro wouldn't be laying off 10% of their work force (estimated between 500 and 600 employees) as a direct result of TRU closing in the US right before their busiest time of the year.

Galvatronian wrote:Kup from TR is pretty tall too, I think slightly taller than those jumpstarters. And we have heard those rumours about ironhide sharing some of his engineering, right?

crash8burnt wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:Oh no argument here about Shockwave but I do believe it's because the voyager slots were full. Though on saying that, did they need to release Springer here? Or is that because they plan on releasing all the wreckers over the next three years...

I think we are pretty set on wreckers aside from Ironfist, with impactor coming later next year. I think Springer was chosen because they wanted another autobot for a voyager slot (since most are decepticons) and of all the voyager class toys one would need for this redo of G1, Gen Springer was both the oldest triplechanger left to redo and least true to his G1 look (boxy helicopter). Of course that also goes for Sandstorm but that character is much less famous. Basically, I think they wanted all their heavy hitters present in Siege.

Who else would you have picked to fill the vyager slot for an Autobot?

Who to pick for voyager?? That's an easy choice : Ironhide! There's so many bots to fill in the deluxe and Ironhide got to be voyager class. Only Hasbro finds it hard to decided.. They should go back to the G1 toys era, where the releasing of bots and cons were fairly even and matching. Do away this silly wave thing, where the selection and distribution of the toys were so messed up since the prime wars. Still fuming where I couldn't complete the pretenders with the missing Waverider?!?!, incomplete triple changers, only cons targetmasters without any bots to go along ?!?! (not counting kup and hot rod), only leader class prime and rod without meg and gal, and so on.

Earlier on I heard that Hasbro got into some difficulties. I was actually quite hopeful that another company can take over the making of transformers. I know this is close to impossible. The 3rd parties are producing so many matching bots and cons with quality materials. So cmon Hasbro, if u can do it in the 80s, Im sure u can do a better job now.

crash8burnt wrote:
Earlier on I heard that Hasbro got into some difficulties. I was actually quite hopeful that another company can take over the making of transformers. I know this is close to impossible. The 3rd parties are producing so many matching bots and cons with quality materials. So cmon Hasbro, if u can do it in the 80s, Im sure u can do a better job now.

crash8burnt wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:Oh no argument here about Shockwave but I do believe it's because the voyager slots were full. Though on saying that, did they need to release Springer here? Or is that because they plan on releasing all the wreckers over the next three years...

I think we are pretty set on wreckers aside from Ironfist, with impactor coming later next year. I think Springer was chosen because they wanted another autobot for a voyager slot (since most are decepticons) and of all the voyager class toys one would need for this redo of G1, Gen Springer was both the oldest triplechanger left to redo and least true to his G1 look (boxy helicopter). Of course that also goes for Sandstorm but that character is much less famous. Basically, I think they wanted all their heavy hitters present in Siege.

Who else would you have picked to fill the vyager slot for an Autobot?

Who to pick for voyager?? That's an easy choice : Ironhide! There's so many bots to fill in the deluxe and Ironhide got to be voyager class. Only Hasbro finds it hard to decided.. They should go back to the G1 toys era, where the releasing of bots and cons were fairly even and matching. Do away this silly wave thing, where the selection and distribution of the toys were so messed up since the prime wars. Still fuming where I couldn't complete the pretenders with the missing Waverider?!?!, incomplete triple changers, only cons targetmasters without any bots to go along ?!?! (not counting kup and hot rod), only leader class prime and rod without meg and gal, and so on.

Earlier on I heard that Hasbro got into some difficulties. I was actually quite hopeful that another company can take over the making of transformers. I know this is close to impossible. The 3rd parties are producing so many matching bots and cons with quality materials. So cmon Hasbro, if u can do it in the 80s, Im sure u can do a better job now.

william-james88 wrote:

Galvatronian wrote:Kup from TR is pretty tall too, I think slightly taller than those jumpstarters. And we have heard those rumours about ironhide sharing some of his engineering, right?

Its not rumours, its just assumptions based on their chests seemingly being the same.

TF-fan kev777 wrote:Hmmm, I wonder how many people would be happy versus pissed if Hasbro simply released the Waverider tooling as Battlemaster Waverider with the blast effect replacing the prime master?

Seibertron wrote:

TF-fan kev777 wrote:Hmmm, I wonder how many people would be happy versus pissed if Hasbro simply released the Waverider tooling as Battlemaster Waverider with the blast effect replacing the prime master?

It would defeat the purpose of having a Waverider figure, since it's supposed to be a Pretender. What I don't understand is them not just releasing Waverider under SIEGE or finding a different home for him and other figures that got shortchanged.

ZeroWolf wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Saw this on Twitter and had to share: What if Shockwave's armor is designed to mount on Omega Supreme? Like, Omega's head can come off, and Shockwave's armor can replace it in a reference to the Animated Lugnut Supremes?

That's interesting Only way to check is when someone gets an in hand shockwave and has a look at the bottom of his hover platform... Thing.

Wireless_Phantom wrote:

Deadput wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Who else would you have picked to fill the vyager slot for an Autobot?

Big Red

YES I KNEW I WASN'T THE ONLY ONE WHO REMEMBERED HIS EXISTENCE

william-james88 wrote:

Emerje wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Sure the channels of purchasing are changing but that is for retail as a whole and it doesnt mean there are less sales.

If it were business as usual then Hasbro wouldn't be laying off 10% of their work force (estimated between 500 and 600 employees) as a direct result of TRU closing in the US right before their busiest time of the year.

I looked for a source for that, and found it, but saw that it is just speculation. Both that number 10% and the cause are not confirmed. The only thing confirmed to be in direct relation to TRU closing affecting Hasbro is the current lawsuit.

Flashwave wrote:How is it logical that Shockwave can have 4 arms and still only 1 hand?

Emerje wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Emerje wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Sure the channels of purchasing are changing but that is for retail as a whole and it doesnt mean there are less sales.

If it were business as usual then Hasbro wouldn't be laying off 10% of their work force (estimated between 500 and 600 employees) as a direct result of TRU closing in the US right before their busiest time of the year.

I looked for a source for that, and found it, but saw that it is just speculation. Both that number 10% and the cause are not confirmed. The only thing confirmed to be in direct relation to TRU closing affecting Hasbro is the current lawsuit.

The numbers aren't known yet, but really the fact that any kind of layoffs are happening is troubling and it's hard to believe that it's just a coincidence that they came at the same time TRU closed. I'm sure it was a cumulative issue compounded by poor Star Wars sales and the Bumblebee movie being pushed back altering their sales projections. Whatever the case, Hasbro lost around $200M in revenue and sales dropped 12%, you don't recover from that by doing business as usual and it's going to take time. This isn't the best time to release big ticket items with a poor track record of selling out. Maybe that's why we're getting what's likely our second small Titan in a row with Omega Supreme.

Flashwave wrote:How is it logical that Shockwave can have 4 arms and still only 1 hand?

In the IDW comics he had both hands removed and replaced with claws by the Institute. When Megatron offered him replacement hands he chose to only replace one and making the other into a gun to fight for Megatron. I guess you could look at the three guns as a symbol of his loyalty seen in the G1 cartoon.

As for Shockwave's pod being used to replace Omega's head, I think it's too big, the tank turret isn't that big.



As for other possible Voyagers I wouldn't have minded an IDW style Whirl since we're getting so many Wreckers it seems. Grapple and Inferno would be nice to see properly updated, the Universe mold was good, but too big now and I think Hasbro can do better. Since we have a new Voyager Soundwave I now want Blaster to be revisited, but as his own mold. They could have also done any number of Micromaster bases, though I'm pretty sure we were told they wouldn't be happening (aside from Omega). There's also a bunch of Autobot Action Masters that (would have) had Cybertronian alt modes and could have been imagined as Voyagers like Rollout, Maineframe (possibly a Soundwave retool), Skyfall (Starscream retool? Really just needs new head and chest), Over-Run, Sprocket, Powerflash, and I suppose Windmill. Or they could, you know, make an original character for a change.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:As for Shockwave's pod being used to replace Omega's head, I think it's too big, the tank turret isn't that big.



Emerje

Coptur wrote:the only member from the 1984 Decepticon crew missing is Rumble (yes the Blue one )

*if skywarp is exclusive etc

TF-fan kev777 wrote:

Coptur wrote:the only member from the 1984 Decepticon crew missing is Rumble (yes the Blue one )

*if skywarp is exclusive etc

What about Frenzy and Buzzsaw?

Ultra Markus wrote:

Emerje wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:To be fair, I think it's likely that scorpy will see a release as the the titan after omega since he's the last big guy to sort out (who we get for titans after that will be interesting to see)

Between TRU closing, Hasbro being forced to release a bunch of employees, Leader class shrinking, and a lot of Walmarts not even carrying Leaders I'm not sure if we'll see another Titan after Scorponok assuming we get him at all. Hasbro seems to be having increasing trouble getting large Transformers into US retail and they aren't worth the risks.

Emerje

if thats the case, once again we get shorted on the figures we should get like how we got shorted with POTP we got shorted with TITANS Return in a way we should have had other figures other than roadburn, rereleases of cosmos and shrapnel and now we will get shorted Scorponok in all his headmaster glory
because they decide they dont want to risk it? lets just hope that titan Omega Supreme does well enough that they will consider giving Scorponok a chance, i just had to rant there but i really like everything i see so far with WAR FOR CYBERTRON i certainly hope they surprise us with some awesome ****!