New Galleries: War for Cybertron SIEGE Deluxe Class Cog, Hound, Sideswipe and Skytread
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Seibertron.com continues its galleries with new ones for Transformers War for Cybertron SIEGE Deluxe Class Cog, Hound, Sideswipe and Skytread (aka Flywheels). You can click on any image below to be brought to a myriad of images showing you these toys in both their modes at different angles and poses and all the possibilities of the C.O.M.B.A.T. system which includes some COGCEPTION action. Also, you will find a lot of comparison images which is something more and more in demand due to this being the second or third go at these characters in a classics line. For instance, we can see Hound compared to the Universe 2.0 and Combiner Wars release, which looks immense by comparison.
These toys are starting to appear at Targets in the US and should be easier to find the closer we get to Black Friday and the late holiday season.
War for Cybertron: SIEGE Cog (196 images) - Weaponizers
War for Cybertron: SIEGE Hound (130 images) - Deluxe Class
War for Cybertron: SIEGE Sideswipe (143 images) - Deluxe Class
War for Cybertron: SIEGE Skytread (159 images) - Deluxe Class
These toys are starting to appear at Targets in the US and should be easier to find the closer we get to Black Friday and the late holiday season.
War for Cybertron: SIEGE Cog (196 images) - Weaponizers
War for Cybertron: SIEGE Hound (130 images) - Deluxe Class
War for Cybertron: SIEGE Sideswipe (143 images) - Deluxe Class
War for Cybertron: SIEGE Skytread (159 images) - Deluxe Class
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Re: New Galleries: War for Cybertron SIEGE Deluxe Class Cog, Hound, Sideswipe and Skytread (1993537)
Posted by Hellscream9999 on November 10th, 2018 @ 8:28pm CST
Posted by Hellscream9999 on November 10th, 2018 @ 8:28pm CST
So I scored Lionizer and the airstrike and military teams today at my local target, the micromasters still give me the joy I had when mini-cons first rolled up onto the scene. The little brown tank guy doesn't seem to wanna turn into tank mode due to the gray heels not linging up with his body, and the combined rocket launcher mode is pretty weak. But on their own, they're really great. The airstrike team is awesome, and the dark star saber mode is awesome. Lionizer is really fun, and I do actually like the effect he comes with, it allows for a certain level of dynamism from displays, that it wouldn't achieve without it.
Re: New Galleries: War for Cybertron SIEGE Deluxe Class Cog, Hound, Sideswipe and Skytread (1993538)
Posted by Hellscream9999 on November 10th, 2018 @ 8:29pm CST
I smell a photo contest brewing
Posted by Hellscream9999 on November 10th, 2018 @ 8:29pm CST
I smell a photo contest brewing
Re: New Galleries: War for Cybertron SIEGE Deluxe Class Cog, Hound, Sideswipe and Skytread (1993540)
Posted by Nickster563 on November 10th, 2018 @ 8:36pm CST
Wait micromasters being found in the us? I dont think thats been reported yet before!
Posted by Nickster563 on November 10th, 2018 @ 8:36pm CST
Hellscream9999 wrote:So I scored Lionizer and the airstrike and military teams today at my local target, the micromasters still give me the joy I had when mini-cons first rolled up onto the scene. The little brown tank guy doesn't seem to wanna turn into tank mode due to the gray heels not linging up with his body, and the combined rocket launcher mode is pretty weak. But on their own, they're really great. The airstrike team is awesome, and the dark star saber mode is awesome. Lionizer is really fun, and I do actually like the effect he comes with, it allows for a certain level of dynamism from displays, that it wouldn't achieve without it.
Wait micromasters being found in the us? I dont think thats been reported yet before!
Re: New Galleries: War for Cybertron SIEGE Deluxe Class Cog, Hound, Sideswipe and Skytread (1993541)
Posted by Lore Keeper on November 10th, 2018 @ 9:00pm CST
Good sir, might I inquire as to which state you currently occupy? The US is a big place afterall.
Posted by Lore Keeper on November 10th, 2018 @ 9:00pm CST
Hellscream9999 wrote:So I scored Lionizer and the airstrike and military teams today at my local target, the micromasters still give me the joy I had when mini-cons first rolled up onto the scene. The little brown tank guy doesn't seem to wanna turn into tank mode due to the gray heels not linging up with his body, and the combined rocket launcher mode is pretty weak. But on their own, they're really great. The airstrike team is awesome, and the dark star saber mode is awesome. Lionizer is really fun, and I do actually like the effect he comes with, it allows for a certain level of dynamism from displays, that it wouldn't achieve without it.
Good sir, might I inquire as to which state you currently occupy? The US is a big place afterall.
Re: New Galleries: War for Cybertron SIEGE Deluxe Class Cog, Hound, Sideswipe and Skytread (1993542)
Posted by Hellscream9999 on November 10th, 2018 @ 9:07pm CST
Illinois
Posted by Hellscream9999 on November 10th, 2018 @ 9:07pm CST
Lore Keeper wrote:Hellscream9999 wrote:So I scored Lionizer and the airstrike and military teams today at my local target, the micromasters still give me the joy I had when mini-cons first rolled up onto the scene. The little brown tank guy doesn't seem to wanna turn into tank mode due to the gray heels not linging up with his body, and the combined rocket launcher mode is pretty weak. But on their own, they're really great. The airstrike team is awesome, and the dark star saber mode is awesome. Lionizer is really fun, and I do actually like the effect he comes with, it allows for a certain level of dynamism from displays, that it wouldn't achieve without it.
Good sir, might I inquire as to which state you currently occupy? The US is a big place afterall.
Illinois
Re: New Galleries: War for Cybertron SIEGE Deluxe Class Cog, Hound, Sideswipe and Skytread (1993546)
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on November 10th, 2018 @ 11:05pm CST
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on November 10th, 2018 @ 11:05pm CST
Nice galleries, particularly Cog. And good that for Hound's gallery you remembered Universe Hound this time. Now if you could just get in a comparison of Siege Optimus and Combiner Wars Optimus 
Can Gasket or Grommet seat Titan Masters/Prime Masters as-is? Gasket looks to have a peg that might be compatible for them to stand on but even that I can't be sure of.
Also, would still like their measurements if someone could please oblige me.
THANK YOU. I really wish this myth would go away, I know I blocked at least one person on here because they were incessantly whining "Waa Waaa Hasbwo pwastic am dollar store KO plastic waaa!"
I remember perusing the Legends thread and seeing as much griping over inconsistent QC is I saw praise. Particularly regarding Super Ginrai.
If my information is correct, it's Takara who oversees the factories for both theirs and Hasbro's releases, so...
Can Gasket or Grommet seat Titan Masters/Prime Masters as-is? Gasket looks to have a peg that might be compatible for them to stand on but even that I can't be sure of.
Also, would still like their measurements if someone could please oblige me.
Seibertron wrote:crash8burnt wrote:Hasbro has been known to be G1 toy accurate and of poor QC, while Takara is Cartoon accurate and of better QC
The QC issue between Hasbro and Takara has been debunked and refuted countless times. It's in the imagination of fans and is not fact.
THANK YOU. I really wish this myth would go away, I know I blocked at least one person on here because they were incessantly whining "Waa Waaa Hasbwo pwastic am dollar store KO plastic waaa!"
I remember perusing the Legends thread and seeing as much griping over inconsistent QC is I saw praise. Particularly regarding Super Ginrai.
If my information is correct, it's Takara who oversees the factories for both theirs and Hasbro's releases, so...
Re: New Galleries: War for Cybertron SIEGE Deluxe Class Cog, Hound, Sideswipe and Skytread (1993547)
Posted by Wolfman Jake on November 10th, 2018 @ 11:23pm CST
Posted by Wolfman Jake on November 10th, 2018 @ 11:23pm CST
The new gallery for Siege Hound has pretty much made up my mind. I'm going to pass on Siege Hound. It's not that it doesn't look like a great figure (and really, it looks awesome), but I think my Autobots: Specialist repaint of Universe 2008 Hound is still the best G1 Hound update available. The only flaw that figure has is the weird yellow painted optics. I fixed that by swapping the clear blue light-piping plastic between the Specialist version and the Universe version. Now I've got a great Hound with cartoon accurate colors, paint apps, and blue eyes!
Seeing that Universe 2008 Hound and Siege Hound are pretty much the same height was enough for me. Universe 2008 Hound was always a little undersized compared to many of his Deluxe Class contemporaries from Classics, Universe, and the earlier years of Generations, due to some of his plastic allocation going to the additional Ravage accessory figure (which, too, is still one of the best renditions of G1 Ravage we have in figure form that's not a Masterpiece figure). That has paid off in the long run for the Universe Hound mold as he fits right in with the smaller Deluxes from recent years, scaling perfectly with any Deluxe Class figure from the Prime Wars trilogy or from the new War for Cybertron: Siege line.
If all one had was the Universe 2008 Hasbro release of Hound, though, I'd not think it a bad choice to "upgrade" to Siege Hound. The green color is so much better on the new Siege figure, compared to the pea soup green plastic from 2008. The Henkei version from Takara, I think, still edges out the new Siege version, though.
I'm really interested to see what Hasbro and Takara can do with Mirage. That's another figure where I think the Autobot: Specialist set gave us a nearly perfect G1 deco on a nearly perfect G1 updated sculpt. Siege Mirage will have to blow me away to if I'm going to replace Specialist Mirage in my collection.
Seeing that Universe 2008 Hound and Siege Hound are pretty much the same height was enough for me. Universe 2008 Hound was always a little undersized compared to many of his Deluxe Class contemporaries from Classics, Universe, and the earlier years of Generations, due to some of his plastic allocation going to the additional Ravage accessory figure (which, too, is still one of the best renditions of G1 Ravage we have in figure form that's not a Masterpiece figure). That has paid off in the long run for the Universe Hound mold as he fits right in with the smaller Deluxes from recent years, scaling perfectly with any Deluxe Class figure from the Prime Wars trilogy or from the new War for Cybertron: Siege line.
If all one had was the Universe 2008 Hasbro release of Hound, though, I'd not think it a bad choice to "upgrade" to Siege Hound. The green color is so much better on the new Siege figure, compared to the pea soup green plastic from 2008. The Henkei version from Takara, I think, still edges out the new Siege version, though.
I'm really interested to see what Hasbro and Takara can do with Mirage. That's another figure where I think the Autobot: Specialist set gave us a nearly perfect G1 deco on a nearly perfect G1 updated sculpt. Siege Mirage will have to blow me away to if I'm going to replace Specialist Mirage in my collection.
Re: New Galleries: War for Cybertron SIEGE Deluxe Class Cog, Hound, Sideswipe and Skytread (1993550)
Posted by Seibertron on November 11th, 2018 @ 2:10am CST
Posted by Seibertron on November 11th, 2018 @ 2:10am CST
Last month at New York Comic-Con 2018, Hasbro held a Transformers War for Cybertron SIEGE unboxing event for a small group from the Transformers "Press". The products available for us to unbox were Wave 1 Deluxe Class (Cog, Sideswipe, Hound and Skytread), Voyager Class (Optimus Prime and Megatron), Micromasters (Air Strike Patrol, Battle Patrol and Race Car Patrol) and Battle Masters (Lionizer, Firedrive and Blowpipe).
At the time, this was our first time seeing Megatron, Skytread and Blowpipe, which was really cool since they had not been publicly unveiled yet. We were able to open up the toys from their packages, transform them, pose them and takes lots of pictures and videos to share with all of you at a later date.
Most of these pictures and videos have been outdone by in-hand pictures and videos of the figures since they started hitting retail in the past week. However, seeing all of these products in-hand in one video alongside multiple versions of the same toy is still pretty cool, especially for a new product line.
Later in the day, the Decepticons such as Soundwave, Ravage, Laserbeak, Brunt, Refraktor (Reflector), Shockwave and Starscream were also unveiled which can be seen in this news article from NYCC 2018. If you would like to see more images of the Autobots, you can see Ultra Magnus, Ironhide, and Chromia who were revealed this past summer at SDCC 2018, which you can view here.
Below is a small sample of the 140+ image gallery below. You can click on any of those images to view the full gallery. In addition, you can watch our video from the event below from Seibertron.com's YouTube Channel.
If you've missed out on our recent War for Cybertron galleries, you can view the War for Cybertron SIEGE Deluxe Class galleries and Voyager Class Optimus Prime and Megatron galleries.
At the time, this was our first time seeing Megatron, Skytread and Blowpipe, which was really cool since they had not been publicly unveiled yet. We were able to open up the toys from their packages, transform them, pose them and takes lots of pictures and videos to share with all of you at a later date.
Most of these pictures and videos have been outdone by in-hand pictures and videos of the figures since they started hitting retail in the past week. However, seeing all of these products in-hand in one video alongside multiple versions of the same toy is still pretty cool, especially for a new product line.
Later in the day, the Decepticons such as Soundwave, Ravage, Laserbeak, Brunt, Refraktor (Reflector), Shockwave and Starscream were also unveiled which can be seen in this news article from NYCC 2018. If you would like to see more images of the Autobots, you can see Ultra Magnus, Ironhide, and Chromia who were revealed this past summer at SDCC 2018, which you can view here.
Below is a small sample of the 140+ image gallery below. You can click on any of those images to view the full gallery. In addition, you can watch our video from the event below from Seibertron.com's YouTube Channel.
If you've missed out on our recent War for Cybertron galleries, you can view the War for Cybertron SIEGE Deluxe Class galleries and Voyager Class Optimus Prime and Megatron galleries.
Re: New Galleries: War for Cybertron SIEGE Deluxe Class Cog, Hound, Sideswipe and Skytread (1993553)
Posted by Cyberpath on November 11th, 2018 @ 2:33am CST
Sideswipe looks really nice. Even though Hasbro cheaped out on his weapons.
I will enjoy it and other figures through people's pix however, since this is very similar to the MP line in smaller scale. But looking forward to the ones I do have on pre-order!
Posted by Cyberpath on November 11th, 2018 @ 2:33am CST
Sideswipe looks really nice. Even though Hasbro cheaped out on his weapons.
I will enjoy it and other figures through people's pix however, since this is very similar to the MP line in smaller scale. But looking forward to the ones I do have on pre-order!
Re: New Galleries: War for Cybertron SIEGE Deluxe Class Cog, Hound, Sideswipe and Skytread (1993562)
Posted by ZeroWolf on November 11th, 2018 @ 5:08am CST
Posted by ZeroWolf on November 11th, 2018 @ 5:08am CST
I really wish I could have been in that room 
it looked like an awesome time.
it looked like an awesome time.
Re: New Galleries: War for Cybertron SIEGE Deluxe Class Cog, Hound, Sideswipe and Skytread (1993568)
Posted by steve2275 on November 11th, 2018 @ 6:23am CST
Posted by steve2275 on November 11th, 2018 @ 6:23am CST
look like fun was had by all
Re: New Galleries: War for Cybertron SIEGE Deluxe Class Cog, Hound, Sideswipe and Skytread (1993576)
Posted by Wireless_Phantom on November 11th, 2018 @ 9:48am CST
Posted by Wireless_Phantom on November 11th, 2018 @ 9:48am CST
Man that must have been excellent. 
Re: New Galleries: War for Cybertron SIEGE Deluxe Class Cog, Hound, Sideswipe and Skytread (1993593)
Posted by Hellscream9999 on November 11th, 2018 @ 12:58pm CST
Posted by Hellscream9999 on November 11th, 2018 @ 12:58pm CST
The new War for Cybertron Siege Micromasters have just been found at retail. With the Battle Masters, voyagers and deluxes already found at retail, that makes the leader class the only class left to be found at retail in the US. Yesterday Seibertron user Hellscream9999 nabbed the Airstrike Patrol and Autobot Battle Patrol. They were found at a Target in Oswego, Illinois using the DPCI: 087-16-3983. Thanks to the reciept, we see the price to be $9.99. Speaking of prices, private souces have confirmed that the MSRP for this line is the same as for the Studio Series meaning that the MSRP for deluxes is $19.99, $29.99 for voyagers and $49.99 for leaders. Retailers of course can price them as they wish so prices may vary.
So what do you make of these little guys? Let us know your thoughts and whether you'll be purchasing them in the comments below.
So what do you make of these little guys? Let us know your thoughts and whether you'll be purchasing them in the comments below.
Re: New Galleries: War for Cybertron SIEGE Deluxe Class Cog, Hound, Sideswipe and Skytread (1993595)
Posted by Wireless_Phantom on November 11th, 2018 @ 1:15pm CST
I know I'll be getting them.
Posted by Wireless_Phantom on November 11th, 2018 @ 1:15pm CST
Hellscream9999 wrote:The new War for Cybertron Siege Micromaster's have just been found at retail, bringing the sightings for wave 1 to a close, as the rest of the wave 1 had been found recently. Yesterday Seibertron user Hellscream9999 nabbed the Airstrike Patrol and Autobot Battle Patrol. They were found at a Target in Oswego, Illinois using the DPCI: 087-16-3983.
So what do you make of these little guys? Let us know your thoughts and whether you'll be purchasing them in the comments below.
I know I'll be getting them.
Re: New Galleries: War for Cybertron SIEGE Deluxe Class Cog, Hound, Sideswipe and Skytread (1993597)
Posted by Hellscream9999 on November 11th, 2018 @ 1:18pm CST
They're pretty great, the knee's really put them over the top; They're pretty dense too, the airstrike sword is actually really heavy
Posted by Hellscream9999 on November 11th, 2018 @ 1:18pm CST
Wireless_Phantom wrote:Hellscream9999 wrote:So what do you make of these little guys? Let us know your thoughts and whether you'll be purchasing them in the comments below.
I know I'll be getting them.
They're pretty great, the knee's really put them over the top; They're pretty dense too, the airstrike sword is actually really heavy
Re: New Galleries: War for Cybertron SIEGE Deluxe Class Cog, Hound, Sideswipe and Skytread (1993599)
Posted by Hellscream9999 on November 11th, 2018 @ 1:28pm CST
Posted by Hellscream9999 on November 11th, 2018 @ 1:28pm CST
Lionizer's a lot of fun, but I wish you could hold it like a rifle, because the blade seems really stubby compared to the hilt, more like a bayonet than a full fledged sword... the 'swooshing' effect is great though, he definitely changed my mind on them for the melee weapons at least
Re: New Galleries: War for Cybertron SIEGE Deluxe Class Cog, Hound, Sideswipe and Skytread (1993600)
Posted by Carnivius_Prime on November 11th, 2018 @ 1:33pm CST
Posted by Carnivius_Prime on November 11th, 2018 @ 1:33pm CST
I maaay get the Air Strike guys cos i had the original Micromasters (I won them from the Marvel UK comic when they did a competition) but I certainly won't use them in that goofy sword mode (the Star Saber from Armada was bad enough... what idiot thinks a bunch of smooshed jets could possibly work as a sword? There's so many things wrong with that and this combined form here just looks like Storm Cloud flew right into the back of Whisper) and they chose my fave two from the team of four for this double pack though Storm Cloud doesn't look great in either mode (the original toy looked better).
Re: New Galleries: War for Cybertron SIEGE Deluxe Class Cog, Hound, Sideswipe and Skytread (1993605)
Posted by Carnivius_Prime on November 11th, 2018 @ 1:46pm CST
Posted by Carnivius_Prime on November 11th, 2018 @ 1:46pm CST
Having a couple of those Lionizers be SS Lockdown's Steeljaws for sure.
Re: New Galleries: War for Cybertron SIEGE Deluxe Class Cog, Hound, Sideswipe and Skytread (1993610)
Posted by william-james88 on November 11th, 2018 @ 2:03pm CST
Posted by william-james88 on November 11th, 2018 @ 2:03pm CST
The recent Seibertron galleries have shown the Transformers Siege toys to be smaller than previous incarnations. For instance, Siege Megatron and Hound are shorter than Titans Return Megatron and Combiner Wars Hound respectively. But does that mean we are getting ripped off? Especially since the MSRP is now $19.99 for deluxes and $29.99 for voyagers? Well TF Fan West Lee, on Facebook, chose to look at this from a mass perspective. Figures in the past might be tall but if they are hollow, a very common complaint from fans, then maybe fixing that aspect might mean more material and thus lower the overall height for this line. And he found that this line offers more in terms of mass (and thus meterial) than previous lines. Here is what he had to say along with the images showing that Siege Megatron, for instance, has much more material than most other voyagers.
Not sure if I will news this or not.
Not sure if I will news this or not.
Have you seen the complaints that WFC-S figures are smaller than the previous figures? Well are they smaller? In terms of height, some Siege figures are slightly shorter yes, but in terms of mass? Well let's use facts here, people say that TR Megs is bigger than WFC-S Megs, well in terms of mass (g) the latter is bigger. Here are a few other comparisons. Based on the weights, the figures have NOT decreased in mass at all. The unified scale is the explanation as to why some are shorter. All in all, Siege is a massive improvement.
There is a misconception of cost / height, the height of a figure in relation to cost, saving, cutting etc is irrelevant, the weight is relevant, pay per gram not per inch, raw materials go by raw weight.
Re: New Galleries: War for Cybertron SIEGE Deluxe Class Cog, Hound, Sideswipe and Skytread (1993613)
Posted by Emerje on November 11th, 2018 @ 2:13pm CST
Posted by Emerje on November 11th, 2018 @ 2:13pm CST
I'm curious what Ironhide weighs, articulation aside he looks like a Cyber Battalion figure from behind.
Emerje
Emerje
Re: New Galleries: War for Cybertron SIEGE Deluxe Class Cog, Hound, Sideswipe and Skytread (1993615)
Posted by Carnivius_Prime on November 11th, 2018 @ 2:16pm CST
Posted by Carnivius_Prime on November 11th, 2018 @ 2:16pm CST
Hm have to say I'm more into how well they display with other figures as part of a collection, than I am about how much they weigh (their weight means nothing to me when gazing at them on my shelves).
Re: New Galleries: War for Cybertron SIEGE Deluxe Class Cog, Hound, Sideswipe and Skytread (1993618)
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on November 11th, 2018 @ 2:30pm CST
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on November 11th, 2018 @ 2:30pm CST
If they're going to have more mass I think they should stretch it out more. I would happily take hollow sections (which EVERY regular line has had in some form and which people IMO people make too much noise about) if it ensured they didn't literally come up short next to Unicron Trilogy, mainline movieverse,and past CHUG figures. Hound isn't too bad compared to Universe Hound, but Sideswipe...
Agreed. Here I was looking forward to Siege Sideswipe as a cheaper alternative to the Universe one. But now...
Now, not so much.
Carnivius_Prime wrote:Hm have to say I'm more into how well they display with other figures as part of a collection, than I am about how much they weigh (their weight means nothing to me when gazing at them on my shelves).
Agreed. Here I was looking forward to Siege Sideswipe as a cheaper alternative to the Universe one. But now...
Now, not so much.
Re: New Galleries: War for Cybertron SIEGE Deluxe Class Cog, Hound, Sideswipe and Skytread (1993622)
Posted by Skritz on November 11th, 2018 @ 2:47pm CST
Posted by Skritz on November 11th, 2018 @ 2:47pm CST
Can't wait to get a matching Targetmaster for my Triggerhappy and Hot Rod.
Re: New Galleries: War for Cybertron SIEGE Deluxe Class Cog, Hound, Sideswipe and Skytread (1993639)
Posted by Mkall on November 11th, 2018 @ 4:13pm CST
Posted by Mkall on November 11th, 2018 @ 4:13pm CST
I'm curious how this matches the mass of other Voyagers from previous Generations lines.
Re: New Galleries: War for Cybertron SIEGE Deluxe Class Cog, Hound, Sideswipe and Skytread (1993641)
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on November 11th, 2018 @ 4:38pm CST
Oh yeah. Cog and the Battle Masters are still very definitely "Take my money!" Even if Firedrive needs a mod right out of the package (migrating the barrel mount to the back of his knees) I'm still excited for him.
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on November 11th, 2018 @ 4:38pm CST
Skritz wrote:Can't wait to get a matching Targetmaster for my Triggerhappy and Hot Rod.
Oh yeah. Cog and the Battle Masters are still very definitely "Take my money!" Even if Firedrive needs a mod right out of the package (migrating the barrel mount to the back of his knees) I'm still excited for him.
Re: New Galleries: War for Cybertron SIEGE Deluxe Class Cog, Hound, Sideswipe and Skytread (1993650)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on November 11th, 2018 @ 5:12pm CST
That would make him more similar to Pinpointer:
Transformers G1 1987 Pinpointer Gallery
But I see what you're going for. Still, G1 toy accuracy isn't all that's "crack"ed up to be (ha ha):
Transformers G1 1987 Peacemaker Gallery
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on November 11th, 2018 @ 5:12pm CST
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Skritz wrote:Can't wait to get a matching Targetmaster for my Triggerhappy and Hot Rod.
Oh yeah. Cog and the Battle Masters are still very definitely "Take my money!" Even if Firedrive needs a mod right out of the package (migrating the barrel mount to the back of his knees) I'm still excited for him.
That would make him more similar to Pinpointer:
Transformers G1 1987 Pinpointer Gallery
But I see what you're going for. Still, G1 toy accuracy isn't all that's "crack"ed up to be (ha ha):
Transformers G1 1987 Peacemaker Gallery
Re: New Galleries: War for Cybertron SIEGE Deluxe Class Cog, Hound, Sideswipe and Skytread (1993668)
Posted by deliciouspeter on November 11th, 2018 @ 6:37pm CST
Posted by deliciouspeter on November 11th, 2018 @ 6:37pm CST
Fun. I hope someone weighs the leaders too.
They look great, but man those deluxes are short.
They look great, but man those deluxes are short.
Re: New Galleries: War for Cybertron SIEGE Deluxe Class Cog, Hound, Sideswipe and Skytread (1993676)
Posted by Solrac333 on November 11th, 2018 @ 7:12pm CST
Posted by Solrac333 on November 11th, 2018 @ 7:12pm CST
Ok. Now weigh an $20 voyager Classics Optimus with this new $30 Optimus.
Re: New Galleries: War for Cybertron SIEGE Deluxe Class Cog, Hound, Sideswipe and Skytread (1993677)
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on November 11th, 2018 @ 7:18pm CST
Eh, not really. As is very clear in that image you showed, Pinpointer's barrel mount is located on the backs of his feet, not the backs of his knees.
On Firebolt, the barrels are definitely attached to the back of the knees.
Maybe not, but I think it's important to have the general arrangement of things right, especially with the Targetmasters' gun modes since that's all they've got. As-is, Firedrive's gun mode... Forget the details, it's got the barrels sawn off and stuck to the lower back of the stock compared to the original!
...I may have obsessively studied the details of Fracas, Nightstick, Recoil, and Firebolt with an eye to building homemade ones for myself. Just maybe.
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on November 11th, 2018 @ 7:18pm CST
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Skritz wrote:Can't wait to get a matching Targetmaster for my Triggerhappy and Hot Rod.
Oh yeah. Cog and the Battle Masters are still very definitely "Take my money!" Even if Firedrive needs a mod right out of the package (migrating the barrel mount to the back of his knees) I'm still excited for him.
That would make him more similar to Pinpointer:
Eh, not really. As is very clear in that image you showed, Pinpointer's barrel mount is located on the backs of his feet, not the backs of his knees.
On Firebolt, the barrels are definitely attached to the back of the knees.
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:But I see what you're going for. Still, G1 toy accuracy isn't all that's "crack"ed up to be (ha ha):
Maybe not, but I think it's important to have the general arrangement of things right, especially with the Targetmasters' gun modes since that's all they've got. As-is, Firedrive's gun mode... Forget the details, it's got the barrels sawn off and stuck to the lower back of the stock compared to the original!
...I may have obsessively studied the details of Fracas, Nightstick, Recoil, and Firebolt with an eye to building homemade ones for myself. Just maybe.
Re: New Galleries: War for Cybertron SIEGE Deluxe Class Cog, Hound, Sideswipe and Skytread (1993679)
Posted by Skritz on November 11th, 2018 @ 8:03pm CST
Posted by Skritz on November 11th, 2018 @ 8:03pm CST
I'm not too bothered by the transformation scheme on the gun-base Battlemasters. I imagine this was just some cost-cutting mixed with shared engineering. Make me wonder if people won't 3d print new gun parts to make custom targetmasters.
Re: New Galleries: War for Cybertron SIEGE Deluxe Class Cog, Hound, Sideswipe and Skytread (1993681)
Posted by william-james88 on November 11th, 2018 @ 8:14pm CST
If it was $20 in 2006 then it would be at least $25 today when considering inflation.
Posted by william-james88 on November 11th, 2018 @ 8:14pm CST
omega666 wrote:Ok. Now weigh an $20 voyager Classics Optimus with this new $30 Optimus.
If it was $20 in 2006 then it would be at least $25 today when considering inflation.
Re: New Galleries: War for Cybertron SIEGE Deluxe Class Cog, Hound, Sideswipe and Skytread (1993686)
Posted by YoungPrime on November 11th, 2018 @ 8:26pm CST
Posted by YoungPrime on November 11th, 2018 @ 8:26pm CST
Not feeling the height of these Voyagers. You can tell that Starscream isn't even all that big which is those ports on his shoulders are so ridiculous tall.
Can't really defend more G1 characters or find a good enough reason to replace a lot of the CHUGS you already have when Hasbro is half@ssing everything but their prices.
Can't really defend more G1 characters or find a good enough reason to replace a lot of the CHUGS you already have when Hasbro is half@ssing everything but their prices.
Re: New Galleries: War for Cybertron SIEGE Deluxe Class Cog, Hound, Sideswipe and Skytread (1993698)
Posted by Wolfman Jake on November 11th, 2018 @ 9:20pm CST
The Universe 2008 Sideswipe/Sunstreaker mold is REALLY big for a Deluxe Class figure, even back in the day, when all size classes were generally larger than they are now. It really makes what are essentially current par for the course sized figures look small by (unfair) comparison. Just judging by the comparison pics in the Seibertron galleriers, I can assure you that Siege Sideswipe is not as short as he seems next to his Universe 2008 counterpart, and out of context with contemporary Deluxe Class figures. He'll scale very nicely with anything from Thriling 30 onward.
Posted by Wolfman Jake on November 11th, 2018 @ 9:20pm CST
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Agreed. Here I was looking forward to Siege Sideswipe as a cheaper alternative to the Universe one. But now...
Now, not so much.
The Universe 2008 Sideswipe/Sunstreaker mold is REALLY big for a Deluxe Class figure, even back in the day, when all size classes were generally larger than they are now. It really makes what are essentially current par for the course sized figures look small by (unfair) comparison. Just judging by the comparison pics in the Seibertron galleriers, I can assure you that Siege Sideswipe is not as short as he seems next to his Universe 2008 counterpart, and out of context with contemporary Deluxe Class figures. He'll scale very nicely with anything from Thriling 30 onward.
Re: New Galleries: War for Cybertron SIEGE Deluxe Class Cog, Hound, Sideswipe and Skytread (1993700)
Posted by Flashwave on November 11th, 2018 @ 9:31pm CST
Except the fan gripe is not solely limited to one figure, the toyline as a whole is averaging down. I'm not a Scale guy, as long as Big Guys are Big and Little Guys are Little, ans the size of things doeant really bother me, but they arent wrong in saying that the Deluxes as a qhole are shorter. Siege Hound is smaller than Universe Hound, and by comparion he's not nearly the biggest oy out of his pruce range. Am I gwtting Siege Hound? Absolutely, I want a g
Figure with a better foot and the clip that holds on the holp generator on my Uni Hound is showing a stress fracture. But I'm not sure I will even see him above the other guys on my shelf.
Posted by Flashwave on November 11th, 2018 @ 9:31pm CST
Wolfman Jake wrote:ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Agreed. Here I was looking forward to Siege Sideswipe as a cheaper alternative to the Universe one. But now...
Now, not so much.
The Universe 2008 Sideswipe/Sunstreaker mold is REALLY big for a Deluxe Class figure, even back in the day, when all size classes were generally larger than they are now. It really makes what are essentially current par for the course sized figures look small by (unfair) comparison. Just judging by the comparison pics in the Seibertron galleriers, I can assure you that Siege Sideswipe is not as short as he seems next to his Universe 2008 counterpart, and out of context with contemporary Deluxe Class figures. He'll scale very nicely with anything from Thriling 30 onward.
Except the fan gripe is not solely limited to one figure, the toyline as a whole is averaging down. I'm not a Scale guy, as long as Big Guys are Big and Little Guys are Little, ans the size of things doeant really bother me, but they arent wrong in saying that the Deluxes as a qhole are shorter. Siege Hound is smaller than Universe Hound, and by comparion he's not nearly the biggest oy out of his pruce range. Am I gwtting Siege Hound? Absolutely, I want a g
Figure with a better foot and the clip that holds on the holp generator on my Uni Hound is showing a stress fracture. But I'm not sure I will even see him above the other guys on my shelf.
Re: New Galleries: War for Cybertron SIEGE Deluxe Class Cog, Hound, Sideswipe and Skytread (1993706)
Posted by Wolfman Jake on November 11th, 2018 @ 10:37pm CST
Yes, Deluxe Class figures are shorter, but that's been true since Fall of Cybertron/Thrilling 30. It's not a new "problem." The Siege figures aren't really appreciably different compared to like-classed figures from the Prime Wars Trilogy. In some instances, you can point out a figure that is a hair (mm or so) shorter than another from recent history, but the figure isn't really "smaller." That's why some people are looking at overall mass too. Siege Hound has a lot more bulk down in his calves, simply due to the transformation scheme. If it had been done differently, some of the extra mass in the legs might have ended up in the torso, making him just a bit taller. Some of the comparison pic can be misleading too. If all you're going off is something like this:
...then yes, Siege Hound looks shorter than Universe 2008 Hound, who in turn looks shorter than Combiner Wars Hound. The difference sure look significant in these pictures. However, what we're experiencing is a bit of an optical illusion. When the figures arranged as they are, left to right, with the smallest toys at the right and seemingly the largest at the left, our eyes are exaggerating the differences we're seeing, because we're expecting a size gradient based on how everything is arranged. The sharp drop off at the right end is making the differences at the left end seem more substantial than they actually are. (It also doesn't help that our perception of size differences is further compromised by the wide shot nature of this picture, putting the figures out in the "distance" of our visual field. Think of the moon illusion and how the moon looks different sizes at different distances from the visual horizon. The same issue happens here, on a much smaller scale (no pun intended). Take a look at these comparisons between only two figures at a time:
Suddenly, those height differences look a LOT less drastic. We've got nice, close up shots of these figures paired together in our "near vision field," making for less "guesstimating" on the part of our visual processing. Siege figures are really not smaller or shorter than what has come before in the past six years or so. If you were somehow expecting the figures were going to get "bigger" again, then you were setting yourself up for disappointment (and you haven't really been paying attention for the last several years). This is the new normal with Transformers figure scaling, and it has been like this for a while. If your collection is primarily based on figures from between 2006 and 2011, when all figures were bigger, you're definitely going to have some scale problems now. Siege figures are meant to fit in with more contemporary figures from Thrilling 30 and onwards, and they do that very well.
Posted by Wolfman Jake on November 11th, 2018 @ 10:37pm CST
Flashwave wrote:Except the fan gripe is not solely limited to one figure, the toyline as a whole is averaging down. I'm not a Scale guy, as long as Big Guys are Big and Little Guys are Little, ans the size of things doeant really bother me, but they arent wrong in saying that the Deluxes as a qhole are shorter. Siege Hound is smaller than Universe Hound, and by comparion he's not nearly the biggest oy out of his pruce range. Am I gwtting Siege Hound? Absolutely, I want a g
Figure with a better foot and the clip that holds on the holp generator on my Uni Hound is showing a stress fracture. But I'm not sure I will even see him above the other guys on my shelf.
Yes, Deluxe Class figures are shorter, but that's been true since Fall of Cybertron/Thrilling 30. It's not a new "problem." The Siege figures aren't really appreciably different compared to like-classed figures from the Prime Wars Trilogy. In some instances, you can point out a figure that is a hair (mm or so) shorter than another from recent history, but the figure isn't really "smaller." That's why some people are looking at overall mass too. Siege Hound has a lot more bulk down in his calves, simply due to the transformation scheme. If it had been done differently, some of the extra mass in the legs might have ended up in the torso, making him just a bit taller. Some of the comparison pic can be misleading too. If all you're going off is something like this:
...then yes, Siege Hound looks shorter than Universe 2008 Hound, who in turn looks shorter than Combiner Wars Hound. The difference sure look significant in these pictures. However, what we're experiencing is a bit of an optical illusion. When the figures arranged as they are, left to right, with the smallest toys at the right and seemingly the largest at the left, our eyes are exaggerating the differences we're seeing, because we're expecting a size gradient based on how everything is arranged. The sharp drop off at the right end is making the differences at the left end seem more substantial than they actually are. (It also doesn't help that our perception of size differences is further compromised by the wide shot nature of this picture, putting the figures out in the "distance" of our visual field. Think of the moon illusion and how the moon looks different sizes at different distances from the visual horizon. The same issue happens here, on a much smaller scale (no pun intended). Take a look at these comparisons between only two figures at a time:
Suddenly, those height differences look a LOT less drastic. We've got nice, close up shots of these figures paired together in our "near vision field," making for less "guesstimating" on the part of our visual processing. Siege figures are really not smaller or shorter than what has come before in the past six years or so. If you were somehow expecting the figures were going to get "bigger" again, then you were setting yourself up for disappointment (and you haven't really been paying attention for the last several years). This is the new normal with Transformers figure scaling, and it has been like this for a while. If your collection is primarily based on figures from between 2006 and 2011, when all figures were bigger, you're definitely going to have some scale problems now. Siege figures are meant to fit in with more contemporary figures from Thrilling 30 and onwards, and they do that very well.
Re: New Galleries: War for Cybertron SIEGE Deluxe Class Cog, Hound, Sideswipe and Skytread (1993708)
Posted by Emerje on November 11th, 2018 @ 10:48pm CST
I said the same thing last week and it went largely ignored. The "Lambo" mold was ridiculously tall even next to other tall Universe figures like the "Datsun" mold. I don't know why people keep using the Sideswipe comparison as an example of how much the line has shrunk when that Universe figure is just so absurd.
It's going to be hard to properly judge sizes without actual measurements.
Emerje
Posted by Emerje on November 11th, 2018 @ 10:48pm CST
Wolfman Jake wrote:ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Agreed. Here I was looking forward to Siege Sideswipe as a cheaper alternative to the Universe one. But now...
Now, not so much.
The Universe 2008 Sideswipe/Sunstreaker mold is REALLY big for a Deluxe Class figure, even back in the day, when all size classes were generally larger than they are now. It really makes what are essentially current par for the course sized figures look small by (unfair) comparison. Just judging by the comparison pics in the Seibertron galleriers, I can assure you that Siege Sideswipe is not as short as he seems next to his Universe 2008 counterpart, and out of context with contemporary Deluxe Class figures. He'll scale very nicely with anything from Thriling 30 onward.
I said the same thing last week and it went largely ignored. The "Lambo" mold was ridiculously tall even next to other tall Universe figures like the "Datsun" mold. I don't know why people keep using the Sideswipe comparison as an example of how much the line has shrunk when that Universe figure is just so absurd.
It's going to be hard to properly judge sizes without actual measurements.
Emerje
Re: New Galleries: War for Cybertron SIEGE Deluxe Class Cog, Hound, Sideswipe and Skytread (1993711)
Posted by Dr. Caelus on November 11th, 2018 @ 11:21pm CST
Combiner Wars Hound is crouching in the second picture.
Posted by Dr. Caelus on November 11th, 2018 @ 11:21pm CST
Wolfman Jake wrote:Take a look at these comparisons between only two figures at a time:
Suddenly, those height differences look a LOT less drastic. We've got nice, close up shots of these figures paired together in our "near vision field," making for less "guesstimating" on the part of our visual processing.
Combiner Wars Hound is crouching in the second picture.
Re: New Galleries: War for Cybertron SIEGE Deluxe Class Cog, Hound, Sideswipe and Skytread (1993712)
Posted by SpikeyTigertron on November 11th, 2018 @ 11:44pm CST
Posted by SpikeyTigertron on November 11th, 2018 @ 11:44pm CST
I can see fans being salty a bout WFC:Siege being smaller than Combiner Wars figures... But as others have stated... Those are also more hollow, and effectively share a *lot* of engineering across the line saving costs (which they could budget into slightly larger figures?). Siege figures look more complex than any of the CW line.
As far as those that keep complaining "these aren't CHUG" (Pre-thrilling 30) again, as others have pointed out that was a time when plastic was cheaper and inflation was lower. While for being large-for-largeness-sake is one thing.... stylistically I wouldn't call them better figures than siege. Also nobody brings up Binaltech/Alternators.... if you want to talk about "big figures for your $". But I would also argue they haven't aged well (at least their robot modes).
As far as those that keep complaining "these aren't CHUG" (Pre-thrilling 30) again, as others have pointed out that was a time when plastic was cheaper and inflation was lower. While for being large-for-largeness-sake is one thing.... stylistically I wouldn't call them better figures than siege. Also nobody brings up Binaltech/Alternators.... if you want to talk about "big figures for your $". But I would also argue they haven't aged well (at least their robot modes).
Re: New Galleries: War for Cybertron SIEGE Deluxe Class Cog, Hound, Sideswipe and Skytread (1993713)
Posted by SpikeyTigertron on November 11th, 2018 @ 11:45pm CST
Posted by SpikeyTigertron on November 11th, 2018 @ 11:45pm CST
One could also argue by the figures trending smaller in the current line... they'd *scale better* with the Combiner War combiners in gestalt mode?!
Re: New Galleries: War for Cybertron SIEGE Deluxe Class Cog, Hound, Sideswipe and Skytread (1993715)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on November 12th, 2018 @ 12:07am CST
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on November 12th, 2018 @ 12:07am CST
The weight is an important factor to consider, because of a property you should have learned in physics: density.
Even if the figures shrink in terms of height or volume, if the weight (technically its mass) remains the same, more is squeezed into a certain space, which results into more being possible when it comes to transformation, articulation and possibly the thickness and quality of the plastic.
Out of curiosity, with the standards set by Siege, how do figures of other lines weigh in? Not just the current Cyberverse line, but older main lines as well.
Even if the figures shrink in terms of height or volume, if the weight (technically its mass) remains the same, more is squeezed into a certain space, which results into more being possible when it comes to transformation, articulation and possibly the thickness and quality of the plastic.
Out of curiosity, with the standards set by Siege, how do figures of other lines weigh in? Not just the current Cyberverse line, but older main lines as well.
Re: New Galleries: War for Cybertron SIEGE Deluxe Class Cog, Hound, Sideswipe and Skytread (1993725)
Posted by SpikeyTigertron on November 12th, 2018 @ 3:17am CST
That's a good question.... My guess would be the Unicron Trilogy would be the "current" heavy-weights. Though some of the first series of movie toys could surprise people.
But taking a cross section of Thrilling 30/Age of Extinction/Studio and CW trilogy could get interesting.
Posted by SpikeyTigertron on November 12th, 2018 @ 3:17am CST
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:The weight is an important factor to consider, because of a property you should have learned in physics: density.
Even if the figures shrink in terms of height or volume, if the weight (technically its mass) remains the same, more is squeezed into a certain space, which results into more being possible when it comes to transformation, articulation and possibly the thickness and quality of the plastic.
Out of curiosity, with the standards set by Siege, how do figures of other lines weigh in? Not just the current Cyberverse line, but older main lines as well.
That's a good question.... My guess would be the Unicron Trilogy would be the "current" heavy-weights. Though some of the first series of movie toys could surprise people.
But taking a cross section of Thrilling 30/Age of Extinction/Studio and CW trilogy could get interesting.
Re: New Galleries: War for Cybertron SIEGE Deluxe Class Cog, Hound, Sideswipe and Skytread (1993731)
Posted by X3ROhour on November 12th, 2018 @ 7:16am CST
Posted by X3ROhour on November 12th, 2018 @ 7:16am CST
is anyone else bothered
by the fact
that Skytread
doesn't become
two separate bots
as well as vehicles?
or is that just me?
maybe i missed a post.
by the fact
that Skytread
doesn't become
two separate bots
as well as vehicles?
or is that just me?
maybe i missed a post.
Re: New Galleries: War for Cybertron SIEGE Deluxe Class Cog, Hound, Sideswipe and Skytread (1993732)
Posted by Hellscream9999 on November 12th, 2018 @ 7:24am CST
I am, but I guess we're in the minority
Posted by Hellscream9999 on November 12th, 2018 @ 7:24am CST
Z3ROhour wrote:is anyone else bothered
by the fact
that Skytread
doesn't become
two separate bots
as well as vehicles?
or is that just me?
maybe i missed a post.
I am, but I guess we're in the minority
Re: New Galleries: War for Cybertron SIEGE Deluxe Class Cog, Hound, Sideswipe and Skytread (1993734)
Posted by durroth on November 12th, 2018 @ 7:48am CST
Honestly I'm more bothered by the fact Battletrap *does*, but that's just me.
Also, I vote we use Generations Trailbreaker as the standard measure for things getting shorter. If its not shorter than trailbreaker we're probably fine.
Posted by durroth on November 12th, 2018 @ 7:48am CST
Hellscream9999 wrote:Z3ROhour wrote:is anyone else bothered
by the fact
that Skytread
doesn't become
two separate bots
as well as vehicles?
or is that just me?
maybe i missed a post.
I am, but I guess we're in the minority
Honestly I'm more bothered by the fact Battletrap *does*, but that's just me.
Also, I vote we use Generations Trailbreaker as the standard measure for things getting shorter. If its not shorter than trailbreaker we're probably fine.
Re: New Galleries: War for Cybertron SIEGE Deluxe Class Cog, Hound, Sideswipe and Skytread (1993735)
Posted by wolverinetodd on November 12th, 2018 @ 7:53am CST
I'm a bit disappointed by that fact, but then Hasbro spoiled us by giving us two completely new Legends Class figures in POTP with Roadtrap and Battleslash to create Battletrap. Originally both Duocons were comprised of two vehicle alt modes that didn't have individual Con modes, but both vehicles combined to form one Con, just as we're seeing with Siege Skytread. If Hasbro had introduced Battletrap into the POTP Deluxe Class line as just one Con that transforms into two different vehicles, as it was originally in G1, then the reveal of Siege Skytread (Flywheels) wouldn't be an issue. Apparently there's no Legends Class in the WFC line, otherwise we might would've gotten a "Skyspear" and a "Dirt-Tread" that combine to form Skytread.
Considering I'm going to display both my POTP Battletrap and WFC Siege Skytread (Flywheels) in their combined Deluxe Class size Con forms, I'm okay with the way Skytread is.
Posted by wolverinetodd on November 12th, 2018 @ 7:53am CST
Z3ROhour wrote:is anyone else bothered
by the fact
that Skytread
doesn't become
two separate bots
as well as vehicles?
or is that just me?
maybe i missed a post.
I'm a bit disappointed by that fact, but then Hasbro spoiled us by giving us two completely new Legends Class figures in POTP with Roadtrap and Battleslash to create Battletrap. Originally both Duocons were comprised of two vehicle alt modes that didn't have individual Con modes, but both vehicles combined to form one Con, just as we're seeing with Siege Skytread. If Hasbro had introduced Battletrap into the POTP Deluxe Class line as just one Con that transforms into two different vehicles, as it was originally in G1, then the reveal of Siege Skytread (Flywheels) wouldn't be an issue. Apparently there's no Legends Class in the WFC line, otherwise we might would've gotten a "Skyspear" and a "Dirt-Tread" that combine to form Skytread.
Considering I'm going to display both my POTP Battletrap and WFC Siege Skytread (Flywheels) in their combined Deluxe Class size Con forms, I'm okay with the way Skytread is.
Re: New Galleries: War for Cybertron SIEGE Deluxe Class Cog, Hound, Sideswipe and Skytread (1993737)
Posted by Carnivius_Prime on November 12th, 2018 @ 8:33am CST
I think Skytread looks far better and has a more pleasing aesthetic and colour layout than Battletrap and obviously easier to buy both vehicles needed to make him since they're both in one Deluxe package whereas Battletrap's were two seperate Legends purchases (which often cost a fair chunk more than one Deluxe and many stores ran out of one or the other forcing customers to wait or look elsewhere before combining them into his actual true form). Some aspects of Battletrap's design feel worsened by making both sections into their own robot forms (Battletrap's hands in particular). That said, the arms of Skytread being quite noticable as junk under his jet component is somewhat off-putting but otherwise I think his vehicle components both look better than those of Battletrap. Can't have it all. Heck, part of the appeal of the original Duocon toys was the oddly satisfying (though purposely simplistic) transformation of pressing the air vehicle on top of the ground vehicle to make the robot pop into shape. I liked that but yeah...
Posted by Carnivius_Prime on November 12th, 2018 @ 8:33am CST
durroth wrote:Hellscream9999 wrote:Z3ROhour wrote:is anyone else bothered
by the fact
that Skytread
doesn't become
two separate bots
as well as vehicles?
or is that just me?
maybe i missed a post.
I am, but I guess we're in the minority
Honestly I'm more bothered by the fact Battletrap *does*, but that's just me.
I think Skytread looks far better and has a more pleasing aesthetic and colour layout than Battletrap and obviously easier to buy both vehicles needed to make him since they're both in one Deluxe package whereas Battletrap's were two seperate Legends purchases (which often cost a fair chunk more than one Deluxe and many stores ran out of one or the other forcing customers to wait or look elsewhere before combining them into his actual true form). Some aspects of Battletrap's design feel worsened by making both sections into their own robot forms (Battletrap's hands in particular). That said, the arms of Skytread being quite noticable as junk under his jet component is somewhat off-putting but otherwise I think his vehicle components both look better than those of Battletrap. Can't have it all. Heck, part of the appeal of the original Duocon toys was the oddly satisfying (though purposely simplistic) transformation of pressing the air vehicle on top of the ground vehicle to make the robot pop into shape. I liked that but yeah...
Re: New Galleries: War for Cybertron SIEGE Deluxe Class Cog, Hound, Sideswipe and Skytread (1993746)
Posted by o.supreme on November 12th, 2018 @ 9:43am CST
So...our toys are getting fatter, like me, not necessarily a good thing
Posted by o.supreme on November 12th, 2018 @ 9:43am CST
william-james88 wrote:The recent Seibertron galleries have shown the Transformers Siege toys to be smaller than previous incarnations. For instance, Siege Megatron and Hound are shorter than Titans Return Megatron and Combiner Wars Hound respectively. But does that mean we are getting ripped off? Especially since the MSRP is now $19.99 for deluxes and $29.99 for voyagers? Well TF Fan West Lee, on Facebook, chose to look at this from a mass perspective. Figures in the past might be tall but if they are hollow, a very common complaint from fans, then maybe fixing that aspect might mean more material and thus lower the overall height for this line. And he found that this line offers more in terms of mass (and thus meterial) than previous lines. Here is what he had to say along with the images showing that Siege Megatron, for instance, has much more material than most other voyagers.
So...our toys are getting fatter, like me, not necessarily a good thing
Re: New Galleries: War for Cybertron SIEGE Deluxe Class Cog, Hound, Sideswipe and Skytread (1993753)
Posted by Emerje on November 12th, 2018 @ 10:44am CST
Muscle weighs more than fat and this is looking like a strong series.
Emerje
Posted by Emerje on November 12th, 2018 @ 10:44am CST
o.supreme wrote:So...our toys are getting fatter, like me, not necessarily a good thing
Muscle weighs more than fat and this is looking like a strong series.
Emerje
Re: New Galleries: War for Cybertron SIEGE Deluxe Class Cog, Hound, Sideswipe and Skytread (1993755)
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on November 12th, 2018 @ 10:52am CST
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on November 12th, 2018 @ 10:52am CST
The Universe Sideswipe mold is only half a head taller than Titans Return Highbrow (I happen to own Red Alert so I can check such things). It's tall next to, say, Generations Wheeljack but that's because he's squat like the original Wheeljack toy was.
Regarding Skytread and Battletrap:
1. The original Duocon toys never had separate robot modes for the components, so Battleslash and Roadtrap are effectively a bonus feature and nothing more.
2. Power of the Primes had a mandate that all regular retail Deluxes be combiner limbs, so Battletrap was forced to be split between two Legends-class releases to come out at normal retail. Battleslash and Roadtrap were hastily made up because Hasbro couldn't justifiably sell toys that, on their own, were only half a robot.
And now some questions about Cog:
1. Do Gasket and Grommet use the same connector as the Duocons?
2. Has anyone tested whether either Gasket or Grommet can work as a Titan Master taxi as-is?
Regarding Skytread and Battletrap:
1. The original Duocon toys never had separate robot modes for the components, so Battleslash and Roadtrap are effectively a bonus feature and nothing more.
2. Power of the Primes had a mandate that all regular retail Deluxes be combiner limbs, so Battletrap was forced to be split between two Legends-class releases to come out at normal retail. Battleslash and Roadtrap were hastily made up because Hasbro couldn't justifiably sell toys that, on their own, were only half a robot.
And now some questions about Cog:
1. Do Gasket and Grommet use the same connector as the Duocons?
2. Has anyone tested whether either Gasket or Grommet can work as a Titan Master taxi as-is?
Re: New Galleries: War for Cybertron SIEGE Deluxe Class Cog, Hound, Sideswipe and Skytread (1993757)
Posted by o.supreme on November 12th, 2018 @ 11:00am CST
I know you added that "retail" part to justify Punch/Counterpunch, but I'd like to see said mandate. Also you can spin it the opposite way. One could say that Skytread was initially planned to be part of PotP, but because it was reduced to a 12 month line, Hasbro cut costs by ditching the individual bot mode designs, and just released it as a deluxe for the Siege line. ...I'm not saying this has any merit, but it is just as likely theorizing.
Posted by o.supreme on November 12th, 2018 @ 11:00am CST
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Power of the Primes had a mandate that all regular retail Deluxes be combiner limbs, so Battletrap was forced to be split between two Legends-class releases to come out at normal retail. Battleslash and Roadtrap were hastily made up because Hasbro couldn't justifiably sell toys that, on their own, were only half a robot.
I know you added that "retail" part to justify Punch/Counterpunch, but I'd like to see said mandate. Also you can spin it the opposite way. One could say that Skytread was initially planned to be part of PotP, but because it was reduced to a 12 month line, Hasbro cut costs by ditching the individual bot mode designs, and just released it as a deluxe for the Siege line. ...I'm not saying this has any merit, but it is just as likely theorizing.
