Samsonator wrote:I think I recall something from one of the novels (so, not really a good source of canon, but interesting nonetheless) that mentioned that V'ger encountered the Borg homeworld, and that was how it became sentient.
Convoy wrote:I just watched Star Trek: The Motion Picture again after I had done some research on the Borg.
First off, the #1 greatest thing to come out of TMP is the theme song by Jerry Goldsmith.
I read the New Star Trek Thread and wanted to comment but didn't want to necrobumb a thread from just before the live action movie reboot known as Star Trek.
IMHO, it was a good action film with elements of Star Trek sprinkled in.
The third TWOK (Into Darkness) killed it for me the moment Kahn teleported to Kronos.
I mean, I can deal with, "This is not your father's Trek." but there are still in-universe rules to be followed.
As for my first point, is the Borg origin ever exposed in canon on screen? TMP really feels like the precursor.
Voyager-6 is a mechanical probe built by man to gather information and report.
Once it reported it gained a willing living specimen.
I can see V-GER starting to say we instead of I after that incident. (It's like marriage!)
Lots of green in TMP. Feels like a hint.
Is there anything in canon that disproves it? I've seen every episode of every series but I may have missed or forgotten it.
tldr: how about that new movie next year? 50th anniversary?
prjkt wrote:interesting thoughts there... V'ger being the precursor to the Borg... however, events in Star Trek: Enterprise kinda make that impossible (linear) time-line wise.
Leonardo wrote:Take your lips off my pipe!
Insurgent wrote:That Shatner book is called The Return. And technically, Kirk didn't survive Generations. What happened was the granddaughter of the Romulan Commander from Balance of Terror teamed up with a group of Borg to steal Kirk's corpse from the grave on Veridian, ressurect him with Borg tech and set him off to wreck havoc with the Federation. And she used Kirk as a sort of personal vendetta for what he did to her granddad. This book does link V'Ger to the Borg, as since Spock mind melded with V'Ger, he has a lingering presence of the collective in his mind. I forget how this plays into the story as it's been years since I read that book.
As for the V'ger/Borg connection, it's a theory that's been around as long as the Borg themselves. Roddenberry himself even hinted that there might be a connection there, but he never outright confirmed anything. Also, Borg origins on screen have never been revealed, though plenty of contradiction sources in the various other media.
Of the Borg origins, all we know is: One time they were fully organic (The Queen states this in First Contact.)
They have been around an extremely long time (The Vadwuaar state they knew of the Borg before their hibernation millenia ago, but they were just a minor neusance at that time).
So if there is a connection between V'ger and the Borg, it's possible V'Ger met the Borg and they are the ones that repaired it, but it's impossible outside time travel for V'Ger to be the originator of the Borg.
Leonardo wrote:Take your lips off my pipe!
Leonardo wrote:Take your lips off my pipe!
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