Transformers Combiner Wars: First Aid In Hand

There's very little about those two that are the same - peg, shoulders, legs and transformation scheme see to be it. That's a hell of a nice feat.

he looks a lot better here

I believe the TFWiki site says it best: "BEHOLD! THE MIGHT OF REDECO POTENTIAL!"

he looks amazing here. he was already on my must haves!

Mkall wrote:There's very little about those two that are the same - peg, shoulders, legs and transformation scheme see to be it. That's a hell of a nice feat.

At what point is something NOT considered a redeco at this point?

Honest question. I see the term thrown around a lot...but I really don'the see much in common here. Granted I come from MOTU and Marvel where most new toys are straight repaints on the same body....

All those differently sculpted parts and yet those two still look near identical at first glance (in robot mode). Oh well, they tried...

phantom1592 wrote:

Mkall wrote:There's very little about those two that are the same - peg, shoulders, legs and transformation scheme see to be it. That's a hell of a nice feat.

At what point is something NOT considered a redeco at this point?

Honest question. I see the term thrown around a lot...but I really don'the see much in common here. Granted I come from MOTU and Marvel where most new toys are straight repaints on the same body....

It goes beyond just a redeco when more than the deco is changed. This guy has a new head and modified sculpting of his parts, so he's a retool and a redeco.

Mkall wrote:There's very little about those two that are the same - peg, shoulders, legs and transformation scheme see to be it. That's a hell of a nice feat.

I know right? It's awesome there's the comparison shot cause I didn't notice it until now. When I really looked I was like "daaaaammmnnnn!"

Carnivius_Prime wrote:All those differently sculpted parts and yet those two still look near identical at first glance. Oh well, they tried...

At first glance maybe. But let's count the differences:

Like, the whole damn truck mode:
-new front grill
-truck canopy
-hood/roof/windows/doors

Most of the bot mode:
-new head
-torso
-forearms
-shins/feet

Seriously, the only parts they share are biceps, combiner peg, thighs, and wheels/rims. That is some Fan-Fudging-Tastic work HasTak

phantom1592 wrote:

Mkall wrote:There's very little about those two that are the same - peg, shoulders, legs and transformation scheme see to be it. That's a hell of a nice feat.

At what point is something NOT considered a redeco at this point?

Honest question. I see the term thrown around a lot...but I really don'the see much in common here. Granted I come from MOTU and Marvel where most new toys are straight repaints on the same body....

I believe the proper word is "retool", but the Combiner Wars figures are really stretching the term.

One term that recently came into being is "pretool", short for "pre-planned retool", basically a retool that's planned and sculpted in advance, resulting in two or three figures with the same base mold but different parts, allowing them to be released within a single year. That's the main advantage.
At first the parts changed were limited to the head and other minor parts, as seen within the 2010 line and its Reveal the Shield subline imprint, but as of Combiner Wars, whole sections can be switched out for different characters, with the Skydide/Air Raid pair as a prime example.

It's the pretooling that has allowed such a variety in figure designs using a limited amount of bases. I did some counting and found that only 8 basic designs are used (pending the release of Prowl) for the entire Deluxe range of 16 (18 if you include Quickslinger/Slingshot and Brake-Neck/Wildrider); the rest are derived from those bases. They are:

1. Firefly
2. Skydive
3. Alpha Bravo (though I suspect he's a "mix")
4. Drag Strip
5. Breakdown
6. Dead End
7. Offroad
8. Rook

Going by the trend of "2 vehicle shells and 3 heads per tooling" (as evidenced by Offroad and Dead End), one could potentially make 24 figures out of the 8 bases alone, more if one mixes and matches parts.

I probably played with the original First Aid's toy more than the other 5 Protectabots, and this one's ambulance mode just makes me miss the original's onebox-iness as much as I thought it would.

But that robot mode more than makes up for it. Hell, that headsculpt alone is beautiful enough to siphon away the flaws of Blades' mighty mug.

Maybe it's the fond place 'The Ultimate Weapon' holds in my heart for being my main connection to the post-Movie era during G2 when it seemed like everyone else just wanted to forget 2006, but this is my favorite CW PB so far.

shajaki wrote:Seriously, the only parts they share are biceps, combiner peg, thighs, and wheels/rims. That is some Fan-Fudging-Tastic work HasTak

Yeah but still look so similar that you actually have to look closer to notice all the new parts. Their general shape in robot mode is still near identical (the vehicle modes are certainly different enough to not confuse them in sihoulettes). Wouldn't bother me so much if on the same faction. But hey yes it's still better than simply redecoing (and/or sticking a new head on) a mold for the opposite faction (particularly bad when they're rival figures such as 2012 Blaster and Soundwave who, despite the head, chest and wheels differences, still look like twins).

I've always liked Firstaid most out of the Protectobots. Maybe it's because he's the only one of them I remember having any kind of personality. Here he looks amazing I'd almost think he was a new mold if it weren't for the pic of him next to Offroad.

[quote="munkimus pve always liked Firstaid most out of the Protectobots. Maybe it's because he's the only one of them I remember having any kind of personality. Here he looks amazing I'd almost think he was a new mold if it weren't for the pic of him next to Offroad.[/quote]

Makes you wonder who the mold was originally planned for? Like how the Prime figure was clearly meant to be Motormaster from the start.

Guys the word your looking for is Re-shell.




I think its the closest description to what this is.

mirageandjazz1197 wrote:Guys the word your looking for is Re-shell.




I think its the closest description to what this is.

Good call!

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

mirageandjazz1197 wrote:Guys the word your looking for is Re-shell.




I think its the closest description to what this is.

Good call!

I said something smart?




That's a first.

mirageandjazz1197 wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

mirageandjazz1197 wrote:Guys the word your looking for is Re-shell.




I think its the closest description to what this is.

Good call!

I said something smart?




That's a first.

But you're spot on nevertheless. Pre-planned re-shells... Well played Hasbro.

mirageandjazz1197 wrote:Guys the word your looking for is Re-shell.




I think its the closest description to what this is.

When I think reshell, I think of something like FOC Sideswipe from Jazz, where the robot parts are unaltered (aside from the head) but the vehicle shell is different. In this case, the sculpt of the robot parts that don't make the vehicle has changed as well. So it's more than just a reshell.

That Bot wrote:

mirageandjazz1197 wrote:Guys the word your looking for is Re-shell.




I think its the closest description to what this is.

When I think reshell, I think of something like FOC Sideswipe from Jazz, where the robot parts are unaltered (aside from the head) but the vehicle shell is different. In this case, the sculpt of the robot parts that don't make the vehicle has changed as well. So it's more than just a reshell.

That's why I said its the closest thing that describes First Aid.




We don't honestly need to to specifics do we?

mirageandjazz1197 wrote:

That Bot wrote:

mirageandjazz1197 wrote:Guys the word your looking for is Re-shell.




I think its the closest description to what this is.

When I think reshell, I think of something like FOC Sideswipe from Jazz, where the robot parts are unaltered (aside from the head) but the vehicle shell is different. In this case, the sculpt of the robot parts that don't make the vehicle has changed as well. So it's more than just a reshell.

That's why I said its the closest thing that describes First Aid.




We don't honestly need to to specifics do we?

I've been saying "Reskin" but "shell sounds less organic, although I agree the shell to me is more the outer than the whole of the figure. Regardless, I like these figures.

mirageandjazz1197 wrote:

That Bot wrote:

mirageandjazz1197 wrote:Guys the word your looking for is Re-shell.




I think its the closest description to what this is.

When I think reshell, I think of something like FOC Sideswipe from Jazz, where the robot parts are unaltered (aside from the head) but the vehicle shell is different. In this case, the sculpt of the robot parts that don't make the vehicle has changed as well. So it's more than just a reshell.

That's why I said its the closest thing that describes First Aid.




We don't honestly need to to specifics do we?

I've been saying "Reskin" but "shell sounds less organic, although I agree the shell to me is more the outer than the whole of the figure. Regardless, I like these figures.

When it takes such close scrutiny to spot the differences and similarities between the two molds you know Hasbro's done a fantastic job of distinguishing characters from each other. Great looking toy. These Protectobots already look better than the CW Arielbots. Can't wait to see them in hand.

[quote="shajaki"]Once again Genetic over at Snakas Blog has scored the first in hand shots of Combiner Wars Protectobot: First Aid! As you may have already known and can now see, he comes as a surprisingly extensive retool of Stunitcon newbie Offroad, with more than just flashing lights and a new noggin. Keep scrolling to see the pics and stay tuned to Seibertron for all your Transformers News!




Hasbro is getting so good at making different figures out of the same molds. First Aid is winner!

phantom1592 wrote:

Mkall wrote:There's very little about those two that are the same - peg, shoulders, legs and transformation scheme see to be it. That's a hell of a nice feat.

At what point is something NOT considered a redeco at this point?

Honest question. I see the term thrown around a lot...but I really don'the see much in common here. Granted I come from MOTU and Marvel where most new toys are straight repaints on the same body....

Motormaster seems to have more new parts than parts in common with Optimus as well. Pretty much only the legs and a few other odds and ends are actually the same.

Optimum Supreme wrote:

phantom1592 wrote:

Mkall wrote:There's very little about those two that are the same - peg, shoulders, legs and transformation scheme see to be it. That's a hell of a nice feat.

At what point is something NOT considered a redeco at this point?

Honest question. I see the term thrown around a lot...but I really don'the see much in common here. Granted I come from MOTU and Marvel where most new toys are straight repaints on the same body....

Motormaster seems to have more new parts than parts in common with Optimus as well. Pretty much only the legs and a few other odds and ends are actually the same.

Indeed, but the base is still the same. Think of it as an imaginary "design skeleton" that influences transformation and placement and design of parts.

Seeing First Aid like this, really makes me want to make a CW version of Ambulon.

Obviously, he'd make an excellent right leg. And, I wouldn't need to worry about an alt mode unless a gun-mode counts? But who would make the best base figure?

And yes, I know. LENGTHWAYS.

Shuttershock wrote:
He did appear to be in league with the Nazis, having appeared with Kronnen and Isla in the Wake the Devil book. I had previously written off Hellboy's faulty equipment as a running gag, but deliberate sabotage could be possible.

Interesting. The reason I always assumed sabotage was because Mignola was always adamant to show that all the equipment was Zinco brand. So I thought it was too big a coincidence. I never really understood what Mignola was trying to say in all that.

Reshell is a good term to use We could say retool too. What would we call the Prime beast hunter toys then, reshells or retools? Someone correct me if I am wrong but two seperate molds must still be made for these two toys to be manufactured right? The only cost Hasbro is truly saving is preliminary design work and Takara's engineering fee, right?

william-james88 wrote:Reshell is a good term to use We could say retool too. What would we call the Prime beast hunter toys then, reshells or retools? Someone correct me if I am wrong but two seperate molds must still be made for these two toys to be manufactured right? The only cost Hasbro is truly saving is preliminary design work and Takara's engineering fee, right?

A reshell is a specific kind of retool, that's all there is to it.

The Prime Beast Hunters retools and the Combiner Wars ones follow the same basic principle in replacing parts, but the Combiners Wars ones are more involved still and most likely were planned and sculpted in advance to ensure they all can be produced and released within a single year. It's a time-saving measure for sure and to an extent a cost-saving one as some parts are still reused between pretool pairs. I don't know if TakaraTomy charges by the figure, or by the mold.

Mkall wrote:That's a hell of a nice feat.

Sabrblade wrote:

Mkall wrote:That's a hell of a nice feat.

He can join Armada Demolishor in shooting people with his digits (Fingers and toes)

Sabrblade wrote:

Mkall wrote:That's a hell of a nice feat.

I think the proper grammar would be "hell of a nice foot."

Nemesis Maximo wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Mkall wrote:That's a hell of a nice feat.

I think the proper grammar would be "hell of a nice foot."

I think he was word-playing there, not using improper grammar, just throwing that out there

Just curious guys, there have been reports that some TRUs and Walmarts are selling the deluxe limbs at 19.99$US. Has anyone come across that? I know walmart in canada sells their deluxes for 19.99$ but its in canadian currency so not necessarily a price increase over last year if we convert.

william-james88 wrote:Just curious guys, there have been reports that some TRUs and Walmarts are selling the deluxe limbs at 19.99$US. Has anyone come across that? I know walmart in canada sells their deluxes for 19.99$ but its in canadian currency so not necessarily a price increase over last year if we convert.

I'm in north Indiana, and Walmart has them 14.99; TRU is 16.99

william-james88 wrote:Just curious guys, there have been reports that some TRUs and Walmarts are selling the deluxe limbs at 19.99$US. Has anyone come across that? I know walmart in canada sells their deluxes for 19.99$ but its in canadian currency so not necessarily a price increase over last year if we convert.

I heard that too. Scary to think ours could go past $20

Did anyone noyice that both of the new recruit for the Stunticons have an axe, by the way? Coincidence, or does Motormaster just like a certain scene from "The Shining"

That Bot wrote:

Nemesis Primal wrote:

Tsutsukakushi wrote:Think the obsession with hating on Alpha bravo in this extreme manner is a bit scary.

Why even bother buying a toy, That you hate so much?

Also, it strikes me as odd that Offroad and Rook aren't getting the same hate.

That's partly to do with how well they do or don't fit in with their teammates. Alpha Bravo stands out more as a helicopter among jets than Offroad as a pickup among assorted vehicles, or Rook as an armored police vehicle with a bunch of other police vehicles. Mind you I like Alpha Bravo, and it doesn't bother me personally, but I can see where some people are coming from.

Alpha Bravo is no more out of his place among his teammates than Swoop is, and he at least fits the team name. which is more than Swoop can say.

I have only seen them for$14.99 at my local WMs. I'm in New York State.

Nemesis Primal wrote:Did anyone noyice that both of the new recruit for the Stunticons have an axe, by the way? Coincidence, or does Motormaster just like a certain scene from "The Shining"

That Bot wrote:

Nemesis Primal wrote:

Tsutsukakushi wrote:Think the obsession with hating on Alpha bravo in this extreme manner is a bit scary.

Why even bother buying a toy, That you hate so much?

Also, it strikes me as odd that Offroad and Rook aren't getting the same hate.

That's partly to do with how well they do or don't fit in with their teammates. Alpha Bravo stands out more as a helicopter among jets than Offroad as a pickup among assorted vehicles, or Rook as an armored police vehicle with a bunch of other police vehicles. Mind you I like Alpha Bravo, and it doesn't bother me personally, but I can see where some people are coming from.

Alpha Bravo is no more out of his place among his teammates than Swoop is, and he at least fits the team name. which is more than Swoop can say.

Swoop the Dinobot? As in G1? The outcast in terms of names on that team is Grimlock, not Swoop. But maybe I understood you wrong.

william-james88 wrote:

Nemesis Primal wrote:Did anyone noyice that both of the new recruit for the Stunticons have an axe, by the way? Coincidence, or does Motormaster just like a certain scene from "The Shining"

That Bot wrote:

Nemesis Primal wrote:

Tsutsukakushi wrote:Think the obsession with hating on Alpha bravo in this extreme manner is a bit scary.

Why even bother buying a toy, That you hate so much?

Also, it strikes me as odd that Offroad and Rook aren't getting the same hate.

That's partly to do with how well they do or don't fit in with their teammates. Alpha Bravo stands out more as a helicopter among jets than Offroad as a pickup among assorted vehicles, or Rook as an armored police vehicle with a bunch of other police vehicles. Mind you I like Alpha Bravo, and it doesn't bother me personally, but I can see where some people are coming from.

Alpha Bravo is no more out of his place among his teammates than Swoop is, and he at least fits the team name. which is more than Swoop can say.

Swoop the Sinobot? As in G1? The outcast in terms of names on that team is Grimlock, not Swoop. But maybe I understood you wrong.

Swoop's altmode isn't a dinosaur.

Sabrblade wrote:Swoop's altmode isn't a dinosaur.

Pterodactyls aren't Dinosaurs? What's the next thing you'll say, that velociraptors were covered in feathers?

william-james88 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Swoop's altmode isn't a dinosaur.

Pterodactyls aren't Dinosaurs? What's the next thing you'll say, that velociraptors were covered in feathers?

I thought Chip called him a Pteranodon.

Sabrblade wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Swoop's altmode isn't a dinosaur.

Pterodactyls aren't Dinosaurs? What's the next thing you'll say, that velociraptors were covered in feathers?

I thought Chip called him a Pteranodon.

You learn new things everyday:

WIKI wrote:Pteranodon was not a dinosaur. By definition, all dinosaurs belong to the groups Saurischia and Ornithischia, which exclude pterosaurs. Nevertheless, Pteranodon is frequently featured in dinosaur books and is strongly associated with dinosaurs by the general public

This happened to me Thursday night when I was transforming Breakdown for the first time. The windshield is supposed to fold back far enough far enough to give the hood clearance to fold all the way to flip and fold over. The windshield hinge would not budge past the midway point. After referring to the instructions and confirming that windshield should be pushed further, I confidently applied more pressure to move the windshield into place. Instead, it snapped.

The windshield is pretty thin near the hinge, which is part of why it broke. If it feels firm and won't budge into place , I discovered that you can get more leverage by flipping the car over, moving the connector port, and using the dagger to push the hinge into place. This way won't place stress on that thin piece of plastic. Don't make the same mistake I did.

shajaki wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Just curious guys, there have been reports that some TRUs and Walmarts are selling the deluxe limbs at 19.99$US. Has anyone come across that? I know walmart in canada sells their deluxes for 19.99$ but its in canadian currency so not necessarily a price increase over last year if we convert.

I heard that too. Scary to think ours could go past $20

Can confirm. My local TRU also has the $19.99 pricetag.

It Is Him wrote:

This happened to me Thursday night when I was transforming Breakdown for the first time. The windshield is supposed to fold back far enough far enough to give the hood clearance to fold all the way to flip and fold over. The windshield hinge would not budge past the midway point. After referring to the instructions and confirming that windshield should be pushed further, I confidently applied more pressure to move the windshield into place. Instead, it snapped.

The windshield is pretty thin near the hinge, which is part of why it broke. If it feels firm and won't budge into place , I discovered that you can get more leverage by flipping the car over, moving the connector port, and using the dagger to push the hinge into place. This way won't place stress on that thin piece of plastic. Don't make the same mistake I did.

shajaki wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Just curious guys, there have been reports that some TRUs and Walmarts are selling the deluxe limbs at 19.99$US. Has anyone come across that? I know walmart in canada sells their deluxes for 19.99$ but its in canadian currency so not necessarily a price increase over last year if we convert.

I heard that too. Scary to think ours could go past $20

Can confirm. My local TRU also has the $19.99 pricetag.

Put the fate of your Breakdown together with that pricetag, and that's slaggin' scary!

And yes, when my TRU finally got the limbs, the price turned out to be $19.99. This hasn't affected older Generations deluxes, BTW.

And by me, that's only ToysRUs so far. To put that in perspective, thanks to Meijer's current sale, you can get a CW Voyager FOR THAT SAME PRICE! Scouts are $7 there, so limbs are the only CW figs not on sale at Meijer; interpret that how ye May, which I believe is when the sale ends.

This may soon reach the point where it's as cheap to buy online, but I prefer to take my pick of the best paint jobs whenever possible.

Sabrblade wrote:

Mkall wrote:That's a hell of a nice feat.

Has anyone figured out what that post in the middle of the truck rear part connects to? It's there on Offroad and First Aid. I've not tried putting the axe on it, but I don't have my Offroad with me now.

albnok wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Mkall wrote:That's a hell of a nice feat.

Has anyone figured out what that post in the middle of the truck rear part connects to? It's there on Offroad and First Aid. I've not tried putting the axe on it, but I don't have my Offroad with me now.

It fits in the slot between the "fingers" on the hand/foot gestalt piece. It almost gives the impression of a giant engine in the bed. Of course, the "tailpipes" of that piece are facing forward, killing the occupants with carbon monoxide....

I guess now we know why Offroad is a Decepticon.... (I'm about to set up my camera. Let me try to snap a couple of pics...)

albnok wrote:Has anyone figured out what that post in the middle of the truck rear part connects to? It's there on Offroad and First Aid. I've not tried putting the axe on it, but I don't have my Offroad with me now.

It's actually for the kibble weapon rather than the axe.

Okay, as promised, here's some pictures mounting the hand/foot kibble. I think this actually looks pretty cool on him...






[Edit] And thanks to a new page starting, you have numerous answers.

albnok wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Mkall wrote:That's a hell of a nice feat.

Has anyone figured out what that post in the middle of the truck rear part connects to? It's there on Offroad and First Aid. I've not tried putting the axe on it, but I don't have my Offroad with me now.

It connects to the underside of the foot/hand piece for Offroad and First Aid. It allows that piece to store in vehicle mode as a massive engine block