Pictorial Review for Transformers Bumblebee Movie Titan Changer Shatter #JoinTheBuzz
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Here is a quick review for what will probably be the biggest toy of Shatter, the main villain from the upcoming Bumblebee movie.
This is the Transformers Titan Changer Shatter, which is a very big simple toy with a 7 step conversion and limited articulation. It has not been reviewed yet (to my knowledge) so I wanted to show what was going on with this toy if anyone is curious when they walk by it in stores.
Honestly, for what it is I cannot see it be better. It is a fully converting toy with two very distinctive a good looking modes, bigger than a leader class toy, at a deluxe price point. That means the same resources (i.e. material) that goes into a deluxe is stretched out to give you a massive toy for younger kids to enjoy.
The box gives us what is either an early design fo Shatter, that has since been dropped, or a look at Shatter with a battle mask we have yet to see any footage of.
There is assembly required, and this is where the toy falters. The wings come seperate from the figure so you have to attach them, and they can detach during transformation.
They do provide a very impressive wing-span though. The jet mode is pretty great. It is MASSIVE! You can see it below compared to Transformers The Last Knight Voyager Megatron. It is also a very decent looking jet. While it has the same transformation as recent Windblade toys, I feel the legs are far better disguised here. The movie aesthetic gives the legs a lot of detail which blends well with the altmode. I also like how the wings have the perfect outline for the feet to fill.
Of course, this is a very simple transformer, so there is definitely (half) a robot hiding underneath there.
The best part of the robot mode is how uniform and unique it looks, especially when compared to the jet. Many Titan Changer toys suffer from having overly lanky robots and while Shatter looks rather slim, she actually looks more proportional than any other toy in the line so far. And the alt mode isn't obvious, especially since her chest hints at a car alt mode. Also, as you will see below, this toy is huge. Articulation is of course very poor, as is the case with all these toys.
So there you have it. I bought it so you don't have to. But hey, if you want a big simple toy for your kids to have fight against Bumblebee then this is the best Titan Changer toy we have ever had. Easily the most complex and most detailed, by a country mile.
This is the Transformers Titan Changer Shatter, which is a very big simple toy with a 7 step conversion and limited articulation. It has not been reviewed yet (to my knowledge) so I wanted to show what was going on with this toy if anyone is curious when they walk by it in stores.
Honestly, for what it is I cannot see it be better. It is a fully converting toy with two very distinctive a good looking modes, bigger than a leader class toy, at a deluxe price point. That means the same resources (i.e. material) that goes into a deluxe is stretched out to give you a massive toy for younger kids to enjoy.
The box gives us what is either an early design fo Shatter, that has since been dropped, or a look at Shatter with a battle mask we have yet to see any footage of.
There is assembly required, and this is where the toy falters. The wings come seperate from the figure so you have to attach them, and they can detach during transformation.
They do provide a very impressive wing-span though. The jet mode is pretty great. It is MASSIVE! You can see it below compared to Transformers The Last Knight Voyager Megatron. It is also a very decent looking jet. While it has the same transformation as recent Windblade toys, I feel the legs are far better disguised here. The movie aesthetic gives the legs a lot of detail which blends well with the altmode. I also like how the wings have the perfect outline for the feet to fill.
Of course, this is a very simple transformer, so there is definitely (half) a robot hiding underneath there.
The best part of the robot mode is how uniform and unique it looks, especially when compared to the jet. Many Titan Changer toys suffer from having overly lanky robots and while Shatter looks rather slim, she actually looks more proportional than any other toy in the line so far. And the alt mode isn't obvious, especially since her chest hints at a car alt mode. Also, as you will see below, this toy is huge. Articulation is of course very poor, as is the case with all these toys.
So there you have it. I bought it so you don't have to. But hey, if you want a big simple toy for your kids to have fight against Bumblebee then this is the best Titan Changer toy we have ever had. Easily the most complex and most detailed, by a country mile.
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Re: Pictorial Review for Transformers Bumblebee Movie Titan Changer Shatter #JoinTheBuzz (1986722)
Posted by Decepticon Stryker on September 28th, 2018 @ 9:37pm CDT
Posted by Decepticon Stryker on September 28th, 2018 @ 9:37pm CDT
I did not expect her to be that tall. Still might pick her up.
Re: Pictorial Review for Transformers Bumblebee Movie Titan Changer Shatter #JoinTheBuzz (1986749)
Posted by Lunatic Prime on September 29th, 2018 @ 12:52pm CDT
Posted by Lunatic Prime on September 29th, 2018 @ 12:52pm CDT
This fella looks like he could be an ANIMATED version of Optimus Primal.
Re: Pictorial Review for Transformers Bumblebee Movie Titan Changer Shatter #JoinTheBuzz (1986750)
Posted by Lunatic Prime on September 29th, 2018 @ 12:53pm CDT
Don't you wanna wait if there'll be a Studio Series version?
Posted by Lunatic Prime on September 29th, 2018 @ 12:53pm CDT
Decepticon Stryker wrote:I did not expect her to be that tall. Still might pick her up.
Don't you wanna wait if there'll be a Studio Series version?
Re: Pictorial Review for Transformers Bumblebee Movie Titan Changer Shatter #JoinTheBuzz (1986782)
Posted by Seibertron on September 29th, 2018 @ 5:55pm CDT
Posted by Seibertron on September 29th, 2018 @ 5:55pm CDT
Thanks to our friends at Hasbro for sending Seibertron.com a giant box of Bumblebee Movie toys! This gallery shows the awesome box that these toys came in along with shots of the 9 individual toys that came inside. Included in the package were Studio Series 15 Bumblebee with Charlie, Studio Series 18 Bumblebee (Volkswagen Beetle), Legion Class Bumblebee, DJ Bumblebee, Power Charge Bumblebee, Nitro Series Bumblebee, Power Plus Series Bumblebee, and Power Series Bumblebee and Dropkick.
Check out our gallery and then watch our YouTube Bumblebee unboxing video below with our special guests Madelyn and Logan!
Madelyn and her friend Logan join us for a special unboxing of Bumblebee Movie toys from our friends at Hasbro
Bumblebee Movie toys giant box!
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Letter from Bumblebee Movie Director Travis Knight
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Check out our gallery and then watch our YouTube Bumblebee unboxing video below with our special guests Madelyn and Logan!
Madelyn and her friend Logan join us for a special unboxing of Bumblebee Movie toys from our friends at Hasbro
Bumblebee Movie toys giant box!
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Letter from Bumblebee Movie Director Travis Knight
Letter from the Transformers Team at Hasbro
Studio Series 15 Bumblebee with Charlie
Legion Class Bumblebee
Power Plus Series Bumblebee
Power Series Dropkick
Power Series Bumblebee
Nitro Series Bumblebee
Studio Series 18 Bumblebee (Volkswagen Beetle)
DJ Bumblebee
Power Charge Bumblebee
#JoinTheBuzz #FreeProduct
Re: Pictorial Review for Transformers Bumblebee Movie Titan Changer Shatter #JoinTheBuzz (1986800)
Posted by Dinobot-Snarl on September 29th, 2018 @ 6:50pm CDT
Posted by Dinobot-Snarl on September 29th, 2018 @ 6:50pm CDT
If I was a kid again and got a box like that I would be smiming too 
Re: Pictorial Review for Transformers Bumblebee Movie Titan Changer Shatter #JoinTheBuzz (1986809)
Posted by william-james88 on September 29th, 2018 @ 8:00pm CDT
Posted by william-james88 on September 29th, 2018 @ 8:00pm CDT
Fellow Seibertronian Chuckdawg has a nice review for us. He looks at the Transformers Bumblebee Power series. The line is a bit confusing with the new class names epsecially since the class name does not just relate to diffrence in size but also with what the toy comes with. The best example is the Power and Power Plus class. The Power class are sized at the same size as one-step toys of years past. Power Plus class toys are the same size class but they come with the igniter, which is the motor gimmick.
And to enjoy the Power class toys to their fullest, you need to get the igniter which is only sold in the NItro class and Power Plus class. Confused?
Don't worry, Chuck explains this very well in the review for the entire Power class, which includes Megatron, Hot Rod, Bumblebee (Camaro) and Dropkick. Check it out for yourself!
And to enjoy the Power class toys to their fullest, you need to get the igniter which is only sold in the NItro class and Power Plus class. Confused?
Don't worry, Chuck explains this very well in the review for the entire Power class, which includes Megatron, Hot Rod, Bumblebee (Camaro) and Dropkick. Check it out for yourself!
Re: Pictorial Review for Transformers Bumblebee Movie Titan Changer Shatter #JoinTheBuzz (1986838)
Posted by chuckdawg1999 on September 30th, 2018 @ 1:09am CDT
Posted by chuckdawg1999 on September 30th, 2018 @ 1:09am CDT
Just realized that there's a port on the back of the igniter motor that spins as the wheel turns, perfect for turning helicopter blades. Something tells me we'll see Dropkick again in the igniters line.
Re: Pictorial Review for Transformers Bumblebee Movie Titan Changer Shatter #JoinTheBuzz (1986850)
Posted by Va'al on September 30th, 2018 @ 3:55am CDT
Posted by Va'al on September 30th, 2018 @ 3:55am CDT
We have seen the Titan Changer version of this toy already in a pictorial review, fellow Seibertronian TFA1024 has also shared a video review of another version of the new Decepticon from Transformers Bumblebee Movie: Energon Igniter Power Plus Shatter - who appears in her robot and her muscle car mode (rather than the jet she can also turn into, as a triple changer).
The figure has so far only really been spotted in Singapore, but if you come across it at retail, make sure to use our Sightings Database to help out fellow fans! In the meantime, check out the clip below.
The figure has so far only really been spotted in Singapore, but if you come across it at retail, make sure to use our Sightings Database to help out fellow fans! In the meantime, check out the clip below.
A figure of a new movieverse character? How will Shatter hold up against The Transformers Addict? Check out the review and see for yourself!
Re: Pictorial Review for Transformers Bumblebee Movie Titan Changer Shatter #JoinTheBuzz (1986852)
Posted by Carnivius_Prime on September 30th, 2018 @ 4:08am CDT
Posted by Carnivius_Prime on September 30th, 2018 @ 4:08am CDT
That's a lot of fun toy Bee toys in one package. 
Re: Pictorial Review for Transformers Bumblebee Movie Titan Changer Shatter #JoinTheBuzz (1986855)
Posted by TFA1024 on September 30th, 2018 @ 4:20am CDT
Posted by TFA1024 on September 30th, 2018 @ 4:20am CDT
Once again Seibertron, Thank you so much for sharing another one of my Reviews. I will state this to anyone who reads this. I did not buy this in U.S Retail. i actually bought this from Ashiaka the very person from singapore who found it and reported the finding on TFW2005. Without his kind act the review would not be possible. Also despite Shatter being a very simplified toy she is pretty fun and looks good in both forms. Hope she gets a studio series figure but if not oh well. There will be more Bumblebee Toy Reviews on the way. Chuckdawg and PrimeVsPrime already beat me though. Well..Except for one item that no one has reviewd. Stay Tuned on my channel to see.
Re: Pictorial Review for Transformers Bumblebee Movie Titan Changer Shatter #JoinTheBuzz (1986870)
Posted by Va'al on September 30th, 2018 @ 6:43am CDT
Posted by Va'al on September 30th, 2018 @ 6:43am CDT
If we ever wanted to see how the target demographic reacts to these products, I think we're covered.
That DJ Bumblebee went down A TREAT.
That DJ Bumblebee went down A TREAT.
Re: Pictorial Review for Transformers Bumblebee Movie Titan Changer Shatter #JoinTheBuzz (1986905)
Posted by Cobotron on September 30th, 2018 @ 11:23am CDT
Posted by Cobotron on September 30th, 2018 @ 11:23am CDT
That video was FUN!
Love how Madelyn's play date turned into Dad's play date.
You guys think Logan has any idea of the potential awesomeness being friends with Madelyn holds?
Great job wrangling in all that kid energy, Papa Seibs!
Love how Madelyn's play date turned into Dad's play date.
You guys think Logan has any idea of the potential awesomeness being friends with Madelyn holds?
Great job wrangling in all that kid energy, Papa Seibs!
Re: Pictorial Review for Transformers Bumblebee Movie Titan Changer Shatter #JoinTheBuzz (1986915)
Posted by WreckerJack on September 30th, 2018 @ 1:15pm CDT
Posted by WreckerJack on September 30th, 2018 @ 1:15pm CDT
Bumblebee posed on that box like "Draw me like one of your french robots".
Re: Pictorial Review for Transformers Bumblebee Movie Titan Changer Shatter #JoinTheBuzz (1986921)
Posted by Seibertron on September 30th, 2018 @ 2:41pm CDT
#JoinTheBuzz
Posted by Seibertron on September 30th, 2018 @ 2:41pm CDT
This past Friday was the official street date for the all-new Transformers Bumblebee Movie toys! Everything from the Voyager sized Nitro Series to the Legion Class sized Speed Series to Power Charge Bumblebee and plenty more are all currently available on Amazon.com. Check out the list of products below, including listings for Studio Series, Masterpiece and a special Deal of the Day! You can support Seibertron.com by purchasing items on Amazon.com when you click on the links below. Get them while they last!
Transformers Studio Series
Transformers Masterpiece
Miscellaneous Bumblebee Toys
Bumblebee Energon Igniters Nitro Series
Bumblebee Energon Igniters Speed Series
Bumblebee Energon Igniters Power Plus Series
Bumblebee Energon Igniters Power Series
Deal of the Day
Here's a special deal of the day for those of you who got to the bottom of this list: Transformers the Last Knight Hot Rod is currently priced at $13.36 shipped to Prime Members, which is a fantastic price for a Walmart exclusive that never actually showed up at Walmart stores!
Transformers Studio Series
Transformers Masterpiece
Miscellaneous Bumblebee Toys
Bumblebee Energon Igniters Nitro Series
Bumblebee Energon Igniters Speed Series
Bumblebee Energon Igniters Power Plus Series
Bumblebee Energon Igniters Power Series
Deal of the Day
Here's a special deal of the day for those of you who got to the bottom of this list: Transformers the Last Knight Hot Rod is currently priced at $13.36 shipped to Prime Members, which is a fantastic price for a Walmart exclusive that never actually showed up at Walmart stores!
#JoinTheBuzz
Re: Pictorial Review for Transformers Bumblebee Movie Titan Changer Shatter #JoinTheBuzz (1986926)
Posted by chuckdawg1999 on September 30th, 2018 @ 4:43pm CDT
Posted by chuckdawg1999 on September 30th, 2018 @ 4:43pm CDT
Just a note, Amazon has been funny with their toy pricing lately so be careful not to over pay. At one point Power Megatron was going for $18.00. The only figures priced reasonably are the Nitro figures and Energize Bumblebee. Amazon will NOT price match after the fact, they are very firm about that.
Re: Pictorial Review for Transformers Bumblebee Movie Titan Changer Shatter #JoinTheBuzz (1986928)
Posted by Seibertron on September 30th, 2018 @ 4:59pm CDT
Price matching on Amazon is the easiest of all. Just buy the item again at the cheaper price, return the higher priced item, and you're good to go! No need to have phone calls or anything. Problem solved.
Posted by Seibertron on September 30th, 2018 @ 4:59pm CDT
chuckdawg1999 wrote:Just a note, Amazon has been funny with their toy pricing lately so be careful not to over pay. At one point Power Megatron was going for $18.00. The only figures priced reasonably are the Nitro figures and Energize Bumblebee. Amazon will NOT price match after the fact, they are very firm about that.
Price matching on Amazon is the easiest of all. Just buy the item again at the cheaper price, return the higher priced item, and you're good to go! No need to have phone calls or anything. Problem solved.
Re: Pictorial Review for Transformers Bumblebee Movie Titan Changer Shatter #JoinTheBuzz (1986942)
Posted by william-james88 on September 30th, 2018 @ 6:01pm CDT
Maybe amazon.com for domestic orders, but that practice is not the same for Amazon in general.Amazon.ca will ask you to pay the return shipping if there is nothing defective regarding your item. And not sure if international orders placed on.com are extended free returns as well. So returning a higher priced item is not a winning strategy in every case.
Posted by william-james88 on September 30th, 2018 @ 6:01pm CDT
Seibertron wrote:chuckdawg1999 wrote:Just a note, Amazon has been funny with their toy pricing lately so be careful not to over pay. At one point Power Megatron was going for $18.00. The only figures priced reasonably are the Nitro figures and Energize Bumblebee. Amazon will NOT price match after the fact, they are very firm about that.
Price matching on Amazon is the easiest of all. Just buy the item again at the cheaper price, return the higher priced item, and you're good to go! No need to have phone calls or anything. Problem solved.
Maybe amazon.com for domestic orders, but that practice is not the same for Amazon in general.Amazon.ca will ask you to pay the return shipping if there is nothing defective regarding your item. And not sure if international orders placed on.com are extended free returns as well. So returning a higher priced item is not a winning strategy in every case.
Re: Pictorial Review for Transformers Bumblebee Movie Titan Changer Shatter #JoinTheBuzz (1986943)
Posted by Seibertron on September 30th, 2018 @ 6:06pm CDT
There's a way around it. You might have to mark that something is wrong with the item or something. Amazon wants to compete with Target, Walmart and other big box retailers. Only way they can do that is with free returns. In addition (at least in the US), we also have the option to return the item free-of-charge to our local Kohl's.
Posted by Seibertron on September 30th, 2018 @ 6:06pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:Seibertron wrote:chuckdawg1999 wrote:Just a note, Amazon has been funny with their toy pricing lately so be careful not to over pay. At one point Power Megatron was going for $18.00. The only figures priced reasonably are the Nitro figures and Energize Bumblebee. Amazon will NOT price match after the fact, they are very firm about that.
Price matching on Amazon is the easiest of all. Just buy the item again at the cheaper price, return the higher priced item, and you're good to go! No need to have phone calls or anything. Problem solved.
Maybe amazon.com, but that practice is not the same for Amazon in general.Amazon.ca will ask you to pay the return shipping if there is nothing defective regarding your item. So returning a higher priced item is not a winning strategy in every case.
There's a way around it. You might have to mark that something is wrong with the item or something. Amazon wants to compete with Target, Walmart and other big box retailers. Only way they can do that is with free returns. In addition (at least in the US), we also have the option to return the item free-of-charge to our local Kohl's.
Re: Pictorial Review for Transformers Bumblebee Movie Titan Changer Shatter #JoinTheBuzz (1986944)
Posted by william-james88 on September 30th, 2018 @ 6:09pm CDT
Thats pretty cool.
Posted by william-james88 on September 30th, 2018 @ 6:09pm CDT
Seibertron wrote:william-james88 wrote:Seibertron wrote:chuckdawg1999 wrote:Just a note, Amazon has been funny with their toy pricing lately so be careful not to over pay. At one point Power Megatron was going for $18.00. The only figures priced reasonably are the Nitro figures and Energize Bumblebee. Amazon will NOT price match after the fact, they are very firm about that.
Price matching on Amazon is the easiest of all. Just buy the item again at the cheaper price, return the higher priced item, and you're good to go! No need to have phone calls or anything. Problem solved.
Maybe amazon.com, but that practice is not the same for Amazon in general.Amazon.ca will ask you to pay the return shipping if there is nothing defective regarding your item. So returning a higher priced item is not a winning strategy in every case.
There's a way around it. You might have to mark that something is wrong with the item or something. Amazon wants to compete with Target, Walmart and other big box retailers. Only way they can do that is with free returns. In addition (at least in the US), we also have the option to return the item free-of-charge to our local Kohl's.
Thats pretty cool.
Re: Pictorial Review for Transformers Bumblebee Movie Titan Changer Shatter #JoinTheBuzz (1986950)
Posted by william-james88 on September 30th, 2018 @ 7:15pm CDT
Posted by william-james88 on September 30th, 2018 @ 7:15pm CDT
Just wanted to say, if anyone in canada wants the bumblebee toys, they are also available on amazon.ca
Here is a link to the Bumblebee movie toys
https://www.amazon.ca/s/gp/search/ref=s ... 5690384011?tag=seibertron0b-20&
And here is a link to studio series BB
https://www.amazon.ca/Transformers-Stud ... dio+series?tag=seibertron0b-20&
Here is a link to the Bumblebee movie toys
https://www.amazon.ca/s/gp/search/ref=s ... 5690384011?tag=seibertron0b-20&
And here is a link to studio series BB
https://www.amazon.ca/Transformers-Stud ... dio+series?tag=seibertron0b-20&
Re: Pictorial Review for Transformers Bumblebee Movie Titan Changer Shatter #JoinTheBuzz (1986995)
Posted by chuckdawg1999 on October 1st, 2018 @ 12:49am CDT
There's also the hassle of getting to a post office in the alloted time and they won't refund your money until they get the original item.
Posted by chuckdawg1999 on October 1st, 2018 @ 12:49am CDT
william-james88 wrote:Seibertron wrote:william-james88 wrote:Seibertron wrote:chuckdawg1999 wrote:Just a note, Amazon has been funny with their toy pricing lately so be careful not to over pay. At one point Power Megatron was going for $18.00. The only figures priced reasonably are the Nitro figures and Energize Bumblebee. Amazon will NOT price match after the fact, they are very firm about that.
Price matching on Amazon is the easiest of all. Just buy the item again at the cheaper price, return the higher priced item, and you're good to go! No need to have phone calls or anything. Problem solved.
Maybe amazon.com, but that practice is not the same for Amazon in general.Amazon.ca will ask you to pay the return shipping if there is nothing defective regarding your item. So returning a higher priced item is not a winning strategy in every case.
There's a way around it. You might have to mark that something is wrong with the item or something. Amazon wants to compete with Target, Walmart and other big box retailers. Only way they can do that is with free returns. In addition (at least in the US), we also have the option to return the item free-of-charge to our local Kohl's.
Thats pretty cool.
There's also the hassle of getting to a post office in the alloted time and they won't refund your money until they get the original item.
Re: Pictorial Review for Transformers Bumblebee Movie Titan Changer Shatter #JoinTheBuzz (1987036)
Posted by Seibertron on October 1st, 2018 @ 9:23am CDT
Posted by Seibertron on October 1st, 2018 @ 9:23am CDT
That's weird, Amazon gives 30 days to return and refunds me as soon as ups scans it along the way, usually they sends it the next day.
Re: Pictorial Review for Transformers Bumblebee Movie Titan Changer Shatter #JoinTheBuzz (1987042)
Posted by ScottyP on October 1st, 2018 @ 10:13am CDT
Posted by ScottyP on October 1st, 2018 @ 10:13am CDT
Yeah this is my experience with it. Just returned something last week and the day after the return scan was made I had a refund.Seibertron wrote:That's weird, Amazon gives 30 days to return and refunds me as soon as ups scans it along the way, usually they sends it the next day.
Re: Pictorial Review for Transformers Bumblebee Movie Titan Changer Shatter #JoinTheBuzz (1987048)
Posted by Cobotron on October 1st, 2018 @ 11:26am CDT
Posted by Cobotron on October 1st, 2018 @ 11:26am CDT
I returned something last Friday (not TF related) and was credited the refund 2 hours after handing the package over to USPS.ScottyP wrote:Yeah this is my experience with it. Just returned something last week and the day after the return scan was made I had a refund.Seibertron wrote:That's weird, Amazon gives 30 days to return and refunds me as soon as ups scans it along the way, usually they sends it the next day.
Re: Pictorial Review for Transformers Bumblebee Movie Titan Changer Shatter #JoinTheBuzz (1987050)
Posted by ScottyP on October 1st, 2018 @ 12:11pm CDT
What were we talking about here again? Oh yeah Bee movie toys. Mine are showing up tomorrow from HTS, should bee a fun afternoon, I'm abuzz about it.
Posted by ScottyP on October 1st, 2018 @ 12:11pm CDT
I made a return next month and was credited with the refund in 1988. Thanks to compound interest, I now have $14. The Warren is a bit of a loan sharkCobotron wrote:I returned something last Friday (not TF related) and was credited the refund 2 hours after handing the package over to USPS.ScottyP wrote:Yeah this is my experience with it. Just returned something last week and the day after the return scan was made I had a refund.Seibertron wrote:That's weird, Amazon gives 30 days to return and refunds me as soon as ups scans it along the way, usually they sends it the next day.
What were we talking about here again? Oh yeah Bee movie toys. Mine are showing up tomorrow from HTS, should bee a fun afternoon, I'm abuzz about it.
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Posted by hausjam on October 1st, 2018 @ 12:18pm CDT
Posted by hausjam on October 1st, 2018 @ 12:18pm CDT
I am guessing you guys get a cut of the sales generated from the links. If not, I am trying to figure out why you hate and bash on the movies and their toys in one article, and promote the crap out of them in another.
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Posted by ScottyP on October 1st, 2018 @ 12:31pm CDT
For the latter, opinion articles are the sole, well, opinion of their authors. Staff do not censor their opinions in an effort to appease Hasbro, and the site's affiliate listings and sponsored content should be used responsibly. Just as affiliate listings are not an endorsement of quality, negative articles should not be taken as objective condemnation of the subject products.
Hope that helps clear it up, we appreciate your support!
Posted by ScottyP on October 1st, 2018 @ 12:31pm CDT
For the former, yes, as is noted by the disclaimer at the bottom of the site to comply with the FTC endorsement guidelines for such practices. Sites like this are costly to run and maintain so this helps keep it going!hausjam wrote:I am guessing you guys get a cut of the sales generated from the links. If not, I am trying to figure out why you hate and bash on the movies and their toys in one article, and promote the crap out of them in another.
For the latter, opinion articles are the sole, well, opinion of their authors. Staff do not censor their opinions in an effort to appease Hasbro, and the site's affiliate listings and sponsored content should be used responsibly. Just as affiliate listings are not an endorsement of quality, negative articles should not be taken as objective condemnation of the subject products.
Hope that helps clear it up, we appreciate your support!
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Posted by william-james88 on October 1st, 2018 @ 1:42pm CDT
I have a fun story about those toys.
My one year old loves cars. I am impressed at how innate the play idea is that he can grab a car and have it roll on the floor, truly playing and not just doing random movements.
He also likes cars that can go by themselves. So this line will be perfect for him, and they will be his Christmas present (a power plus BB and a power series Megs or something like that). I was telling my 3 year old daughter this yesterday to let her in on my christmas plans for the baby and she asked if it would be ok to play with them. I told her for sure. She has one step toys of her own already, the rescue bot bee is her favourite, she likes how bot modes look good, especially the alt mode. She was making fun of my SS 18 bee that i picked up yesterday and how his unpegged alt mode looked terrible. She finds the simpler toys vastly superior for at least looking good in alt mode.
Listening to her, I can see exactly how smart Hasbro was with this whole Bee line. Honsetly, I am more excited about sharing these simpler toys with them than handling that SS Bee again.
Posted by william-james88 on October 1st, 2018 @ 1:42pm CDT
ScottyP wrote:What were we talking about here again? Oh yeah Bee movie toys. Mine are showing up tomorrow from HTS, should bee a fun afternoon, I'm abuzz about it.
I have a fun story about those toys.
My one year old loves cars. I am impressed at how innate the play idea is that he can grab a car and have it roll on the floor, truly playing and not just doing random movements.
He also likes cars that can go by themselves. So this line will be perfect for him, and they will be his Christmas present (a power plus BB and a power series Megs or something like that). I was telling my 3 year old daughter this yesterday to let her in on my christmas plans for the baby and she asked if it would be ok to play with them. I told her for sure. She has one step toys of her own already, the rescue bot bee is her favourite, she likes how bot modes look good, especially the alt mode. She was making fun of my SS 18 bee that i picked up yesterday and how his unpegged alt mode looked terrible. She finds the simpler toys vastly superior for at least looking good in alt mode.
Listening to her, I can see exactly how smart Hasbro was with this whole Bee line. Honsetly, I am more excited about sharing these simpler toys with them than handling that SS Bee again.
Re: Pictorial Review for Transformers Bumblebee Movie Titan Changer Shatter #JoinTheBuzz (1987066)
Posted by william-james88 on October 1st, 2018 @ 1:50pm CDT
Its exactly as Scotty said. Seibertron is a community and the articles are not written by the same person. So you will see different opinions from one article to the next. Some people like the movies and the movie toys, some just like the toys or just the film and some dont like either.
I personally like the movie toys but not the films
Posted by william-james88 on October 1st, 2018 @ 1:50pm CDT
hausjam wrote:I am guessing you guys get a cut of the sales generated from the links. If not, I am trying to figure out why you hate and bash on the movies and their toys in one article, and promote the crap out of them in another.
Its exactly as Scotty said. Seibertron is a community and the articles are not written by the same person. So you will see different opinions from one article to the next. Some people like the movies and the movie toys, some just like the toys or just the film and some dont like either.
I personally like the movie toys but not the films
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Posted by ScottyP on October 1st, 2018 @ 1:50pm CDT
Posted by ScottyP on October 1st, 2018 @ 1:50pm CDT
Yeah I feel like these are appropriately made for their target market, at least from a play pattern perspective. The VW Bee Studio deluxe is too fiddly for kids, but the multitude of other options seem to give parents plenty of choice here. I don't have kids though so my opinion on that stuff is only based on conjecture!
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Posted by Emerje on October 1st, 2018 @ 3:19pm CDT
Posted by Emerje on October 1st, 2018 @ 3:19pm CDT
Anyone else still not seeing these in stores? So glad Hasbro put a street date on these. 
Emerje
Emerje
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Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on October 1st, 2018 @ 5:07pm CDT
Opinion of the author tragically. Not all share my love of the movies and their toys unfortunately, but understandably.
@Emerje, I have seen none at Walmart, but every Target around me got the Bee movie stuff, so it could be the store chain with the sightings
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on October 1st, 2018 @ 5:07pm CDT
hausjam wrote:I am guessing you guys get a cut of the sales generated from the links. If not, I am trying to figure out why you hate and bash on the movies and their toys in one article, and promote the crap out of them in another.
Opinion of the author tragically. Not all share my love of the movies and their toys unfortunately, but understandably.
@Emerje, I have seen none at Walmart, but every Target around me got the Bee movie stuff, so it could be the store chain with the sightings
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Posted by BERSEKAEL on October 1st, 2018 @ 5:51pm CDT
Posted by BERSEKAEL on October 1st, 2018 @ 5:51pm CDT
just got my package and noticed one little detail, those movie legion class have a port like the energon igniters.
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Posted by chuckdawg1999 on October 1st, 2018 @ 6:21pm CDT
Posted by chuckdawg1999 on October 1st, 2018 @ 6:21pm CDT
There are also ports on the back of the figures to store the Core unit. Figures using the Dropkick mold have the torso hollowed out for it to fit in better. It makes me wonder if there were additional features that had to be cut.
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Posted by notsoalex on October 1st, 2018 @ 9:50pm CDT
Posted by notsoalex on October 1st, 2018 @ 9:50pm CDT
Have you been trying to find the new Target-exclusives Bumblebee: Greatest Hits Leader Class Soundwave with Doombox? Or the Bumblebee Cassette Pack with Legends Class Frenzy, Howlback, and Buzzsaw? Or did you wanna snag a few Movie Edition Tiny Turbo Changers Series 3 and test your chances?
Well you can now, because all three items are available on Target.com and you can buy them right now!
We also get some more stock photos of the products!
Soundwave and Doombox
Bumblebee Cassette Pack
Tiny Turbo Changers Series 3
So will you pick these up? Let us know in the Pub forums below!
Well you can now, because all three items are available on Target.com and you can buy them right now!
We also get some more stock photos of the products!
Soundwave and Doombox
Bumblebee Cassette Pack
Tiny Turbo Changers Series 3
So will you pick these up? Let us know in the Pub forums below!
Re: Pictorial Review for Transformers Bumblebee Movie Titan Changer Shatter #JoinTheBuzz (1987142)
Posted by Overcracker on October 1st, 2018 @ 10:06pm CDT
Posted by Overcracker on October 1st, 2018 @ 10:06pm CDT
Who takes these pictures that thought that the titan master head was supposed to face the same direction as Soundwave's face?
Also wouldn't that kind of block the leg hinges so Doombox can't actually sit down correctly?
Also wouldn't that kind of block the leg hinges so Doombox can't actually sit down correctly?
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Posted by Wolfman Jake on October 1st, 2018 @ 11:37pm CDT
Posted by Wolfman Jake on October 1st, 2018 @ 11:37pm CDT
I still don't know why Hasbro decided to release Buzzsaw again in this "cassette multipack." They could have released anything else for that mold, honestly. Garboil would have fit the "blue" theme of Frenzy and Howlback, at least. Plus, Howlback and Garboil were packed together originally. If that's too much blue, there's always Sundor too. Yes, he's labeled as an Autobot, but he's also (sometimes?) a Decepticon double agent.
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Posted by Va'al on October 2nd, 2018 @ 2:09am CDT
Posted by Va'al on October 2nd, 2018 @ 2:09am CDT
One of our Italian fans on Seibertron.com, JazzLuca, has sent us notification of a new sighting for the Transformers Bumblebee Movie toylines - mostly the Energon Igniters series and the other younger audience products - appearing in Italy, at supermarket chains Auchan and Carrefour (French stores known for their bulk and budget purchases).
You can see the images below, showing the likes of Barricade, Optimus Prime, the various Bumblebees, Hot Rod (and some additional early Studio Series and Cyberverse figures too). The prices seem to range around the 15 to 30 euro per figure (approx 17 USD and 35 USD at the time of writing, respectively). If you come across these or any other new sightings, make sure to let us know, and to use the Sightings Database located right [urlhttps://www.seibertron.com/sightings/index.php]here[/url]!
You can see the images below, showing the likes of Barricade, Optimus Prime, the various Bumblebees, Hot Rod (and some additional early Studio Series and Cyberverse figures too). The prices seem to range around the 15 to 30 euro per figure (approx 17 USD and 35 USD at the time of writing, respectively). If you come across these or any other new sightings, make sure to let us know, and to use the Sightings Database located right [urlhttps://www.seibertron.com/sightings/index.php]here[/url]!
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Posted by Katarn84 on October 2nd, 2018 @ 2:44am CDT
Posted by Katarn84 on October 2nd, 2018 @ 2:44am CDT
Toys Centers too have the same Bumblebee Toys here in italy.
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Posted by Dr. Caelus on October 2nd, 2018 @ 8:01am CDT
Posted by Dr. Caelus on October 2nd, 2018 @ 8:01am CDT
If they ever start blindpacking Micromasters, I'll be financially ruined.
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Posted by RiddlerJ on October 2nd, 2018 @ 8:11am CDT
I'm thinking of using this one as Buzzsaw since he kinda matches Laserbeak layout wise and repurposing the original one as Sundor since he's so bright.
Posted by RiddlerJ on October 2nd, 2018 @ 8:11am CDT
Wolfman Jake wrote:I still don't know why Hasbro decided to release Buzzsaw again in this "cassette multipack." They could have released anything else for that mold, honestly. Garboil would have fit the "blue" theme of Frenzy and Howlback, at least. Plus, Howlback and Garboil were packed together originally. If that's too much blue, there's always Sundor too. Yes, he's labeled as an Autobot, but he's also (sometimes?) a Decepticon double agent.
I'm thinking of using this one as Buzzsaw since he kinda matches Laserbeak layout wise and repurposing the original one as Sundor since he's so bright.
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Posted by ScottyP on October 2nd, 2018 @ 11:05am CDT
Posted by ScottyP on October 2nd, 2018 @ 11:05am CDT
I understand why they didn't, but what a missed opportunity to do Soundblaster. A black 80s (or early 90s) radio styled retool? Throw in some fake wood paneling for no reason and that goes from rote recolor to extra awesome.
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Posted by Agamemnon on October 2nd, 2018 @ 1:45pm CDT
Posted by Agamemnon on October 2nd, 2018 @ 1:45pm CDT
Hey, I found that Target Exclusive Bumblebee with TR "Cassettes" at Target in Brooklyn Park MN!
They are in the wild!
They are in the wild!
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Posted by Emerje on October 2nd, 2018 @ 3:30pm CDT
I think it's not just because of all the blue in the box, but also because Buzzsaw has two fairly distinct color schemes (if you ignore RIBFIR) between yellow and gold so I guess it was their best shot.
Emerje
Posted by Emerje on October 2nd, 2018 @ 3:30pm CDT
Wolfman Jake wrote:I still don't know why Hasbro decided to release Buzzsaw again in this "cassette multipack." They could have released anything else for that mold, honestly. Garboil would have fit the "blue" theme of Frenzy and Howlback, at least. Plus, Howlback and Garboil were packed together originally. If that's too much blue, there's always Sundor too. Yes, he's labeled as an Autobot, but he's also (sometimes?) a Decepticon double agent.
I think it's not just because of all the blue in the box, but also because Buzzsaw has two fairly distinct color schemes (if you ignore RIBFIR) between yellow and gold so I guess it was their best shot.
Emerje
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Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on October 2nd, 2018 @ 3:38pm CDT
Sundor/Sunder would have stuck out like a sore thumb in that (neon) orange, really. Gold is closer to Bumblebee's yellow so in the end you'd end up with a fairly dual-color set.
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on October 2nd, 2018 @ 3:38pm CDT
Emerje wrote:Wolfman Jake wrote:I still don't know why Hasbro decided to release Buzzsaw again in this "cassette multipack." They could have released anything else for that mold, honestly. Garboil would have fit the "blue" theme of Frenzy and Howlback, at least. Plus, Howlback and Garboil were packed together originally. If that's too much blue, there's always Sundor too. Yes, he's labeled as an Autobot, but he's also (sometimes?) a Decepticon double agent.
I think it's not just because of all the blue in the box, but also because Buzzsaw has two fairly distinct color schemes (if you ignore RIBFIR) between yellow and gold so I guess it was their best shot.
Emerje
Sundor/Sunder would have stuck out like a sore thumb in that (neon) orange, really. Gold is closer to Bumblebee's yellow so in the end you'd end up with a fairly dual-color set.
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Posted by Seibertron on October 2nd, 2018 @ 4:33pm CDT
Posted by Seibertron on October 2nd, 2018 @ 4:33pm CDT
In addition to MPM-7 Bumblebee being available at various sponsors like HLJ.com, we now know this product is also available for pre-order at Amazon.com. Thank you to fellow Transformers fan, DG, for sending a message to Seibertron.com to let all of us know that Amazon.com now has pre-orders available for the upcoming Transformers Masterpiece Movie Series MPM-7 Bumblebee action figure. This version of Bumblebee is based on his upcoming movie appearance where he transforms into a yellow Volkswagen Beetle, just like the alt-mode of his original G1 version.
Price: $79.99 Free Shipping for Prime Members with Pre-order Price Guarantee
This item will be released on November 15, 2018.
Pre-orders are available now!
Ships from and sold by Amazon.com. Gift-wrap available.
Here is some additional product information from Amazon.com:
Price: $79.99 Free Shipping for Prime Members with Pre-order Price Guarantee
This item will be released on November 15, 2018.
Pre-orders are available now!
Ships from and sold by Amazon.com. Gift-wrap available.
- This Masterpiece Movie Series Bumblebee MPM-7 collectible figure is an official product of Hasbro in partnership with Takara Tomy. Figure is an authentic Transformers figure; not from a third-party.
- Figure was designed with ILM Movie CAD files from the Transformers: Bumblebee movie, featuring 10+ die cast parts and 150+ deco ops with 26 points of articulation, including highly articulated hands.
- Figure converts from robot to its officially licensed 1967 Volkswagen Beetle mode in 57 steps. Vehicle mode features exclusive, weathered deco.
- Figure features a detailed hidden missile bay on the figure’s chest. Comes with a removable battle mask and movie-inspired Stinger Blaster and Stinger Sword accessories that attach to the figure in both robot and vehicle modes.
Here is some additional product information from Amazon.com:
Product description
When Decepticons are on your tail, Bumblebee is the bot you want on your side. Behind the unassuming Volkswagen Beetle exterior is more than meets the eye. Full of youthful exuberance, he's often underestimated, but the courageous Autobot scout is always ready to jump into adventure and defend his friends at any cost.
The official Hasbro-Takara Tomy Masterpiece Movie Series Bumblebee MPM-7 figure is the perfect authentic figure for fans and collectors alike, with features inspired by Transformers: Bumblebee. The figure showcases the upbeat Autobot scout with impressive attention to detail. Imagine unleashing Bumblebee action with a removable battle mask, articulated hands, hidden missiles, and Stinger Blaster and Stinger Sword accessories. Converts from robot to 1967 Volkswagen Beetle mode in 57 steps.
Volkswagen trademarks, design patents and copyrights are used with the approval of the owner, Volkswagen AG.
Transformers and all related characters are trademarks of Hasbro.
Re: Pictorial Review for Transformers Bumblebee Movie Titan Changer Shatter #JoinTheBuzz (1987248)
Posted by Emerje on October 2nd, 2018 @ 4:59pm CDT
Posted by Emerje on October 2nd, 2018 @ 4:59pm CDT
My tiny Speed Series Optimus Prime came in the mail today from HTS in a box big enough to fit a Voyager with lots of room to spare. It isn't very good. I wasn't expecting knees, but I was expecting ball jointed shoulders since there's more than enough room for them and they've been a staple in figures this size for many years now, even Titan/Prime Masters have them. But no, his shoulders are just a simple swivel. He does have ball jointed elbows, but they don't offer much range. He also has ball jointed hips, but without knees they aren't really useful for articulation, just for the transformation. Bafflingly he does have an ab joint that doesn't serve any real purpose. It's used to give him a slight bend for his transformation to give clearance for his hips, but that could have been easily fixed by shaving down some of his sculpted details. The cost of the extra plastic and metal pin could have gone to knee joints or more paint. Interestingly all of his wheels are held on with big metal rivets rather than pegged on like has been popular lately. And he has six wheels even though it's pretty common for a figure this small to have a pair of fake wheels and I honestly wouldn't have minded. The whole figure just screams of miss-managed resources.
Emerje
Emerje
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Posted by Autobot Roadburn on October 2nd, 2018 @ 6:43pm CDT
I had the exact same experience - bought all 4 Speed Series guys and Optimus was the worst of the group (I'd call Barricase the best, personally). If they'd just given him ball shoulders and swivel elbows instead of the other way around he'd be significantly better.
Just put in an Amazon order for MP VW Bee too. I already have an order with HLJ but I usually get backup preorders for things I really want from somewhere easy to cancel (Amazon, BBTS) in case something goes wrong with another order. Especially AmiAmi stuff, I just got in an order for Figuarts Super Buu the other day and accidentally ordered 3 because the pages were loading slowly and for some reason the "change quantity" button had disappeared. It's terrifying asking them to cancel anything because they're so prone to closing accounts for it.
Posted by Autobot Roadburn on October 2nd, 2018 @ 6:43pm CDT
Emerje wrote:My tiny Speed Series Optimus Prime came in the mail today from HTS in a box big enough to fit a Voyager with lots of room to spare. It isn't very good. I wasn't expecting knees, but I was expecting ball jointed shoulders since there's more than enough room for them and they've been a staple in figures this size for many years now, even Titan/Prime Masters have them. But no, his shoulders are just a simple swivel. He does have ball jointed elbows, but they don't offer much range. He also has ball jointed hips, but without knees they aren't really useful for articulation, just for the transformation. Bafflingly he does have an ab joint that doesn't serve any real purpose. It's used to give him a slight bend for his transformation to give clearance for his hips, but that could have been easily fixed by shaving down some of his sculpted details. The cost of the extra plastic and metal pin could have gone to knee joints or more paint. Interestingly all of his wheels are held on with big metal rivets rather than pegged on like has been popular lately. And he has six wheels even though it's pretty common for a figure this small to have a pair of fake wheels and I honestly wouldn't have minded. The whole figure just screams of miss-managed resources.
Emerje
I had the exact same experience - bought all 4 Speed Series guys and Optimus was the worst of the group (I'd call Barricase the best, personally). If they'd just given him ball shoulders and swivel elbows instead of the other way around he'd be significantly better.
Just put in an Amazon order for MP VW Bee too. I already have an order with HLJ but I usually get backup preorders for things I really want from somewhere easy to cancel (Amazon, BBTS) in case something goes wrong with another order. Especially AmiAmi stuff, I just got in an order for Figuarts Super Buu the other day and accidentally ordered 3 because the pages were loading slowly and for some reason the "change quantity" button had disappeared. It's terrifying asking them to cancel anything because they're so prone to closing accounts for it.
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Posted by Seibertron on October 2nd, 2018 @ 11:20pm CDT
That sounds about right. I don't meant to sound like I return a lot to them, but I do return things regularly. I also make an absurd amount of purchases from Amazon with Transformers and household items and things for my 2 kids, so it's just part the nature of the beast. They have always taken great care of me and I am happy to support Amazon! If you've had trouble with them, would love to help you figure out some of the issues you've had to make your experience with them more positive. I'm also wondering if those of you who have had trouble whether or not you are Amazon Prime members or not?
Posted by Seibertron on October 2nd, 2018 @ 11:20pm CDT
Cobotron wrote:I returned something last Friday (not TF related) and was credited the refund 2 hours after handing the package over to USPS.ScottyP wrote:Yeah this is my experience with it. Just returned something last week and the day after the return scan was made I had a refund.Seibertron wrote:That's weird, Amazon gives 30 days to return and refunds me as soon as ups scans it along the way, usually they sends it the next day.
That sounds about right. I don't meant to sound like I return a lot to them, but I do return things regularly. I also make an absurd amount of purchases from Amazon with Transformers and household items and things for my 2 kids, so it's just part the nature of the beast. They have always taken great care of me and I am happy to support Amazon! If you've had trouble with them, would love to help you figure out some of the issues you've had to make your experience with them more positive. I'm also wondering if those of you who have had trouble whether or not you are Amazon Prime members or not?
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Posted by noctorro on October 3rd, 2018 @ 1:01am CDT
Posted by noctorro on October 3rd, 2018 @ 1:01am CDT
Here in The Netherlands we're also having Bumblebee toys for about a few weeks.
Question: Will the Bumblebee movie get a decent Generations toyline? Of about 8 figures?
Or are they only going to be in the Studio series?
I would love some Power of the Primes like Bumblebee toys, not too complex and all.
Question: Will the Bumblebee movie get a decent Generations toyline? Of about 8 figures?
Or are they only going to be in the Studio series?
I would love some Power of the Primes like Bumblebee toys, not too complex and all.
