New Teaser - Takara Tomy Masterpiece Optimus Primal

Can't wait to see more of this. This is an exciting masterpiece

The only thing that has me concerned about this silhouette are the feet, which look really big and oddly-shaped in both modes, whereas the feet of the show's animation model looked pretty accurate to the feet of the original toy in both modes.

I wonder if that new reveal is a mp megatron to go along with this.

ZeroWolf wrote:I wonder if that new reveal is a mp megatron to go along with this.

oooooh, I hope, or, anything else, I'm not really picky

Hellscream9999 wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:I wonder if that new reveal is a mp megatron to go along with this.

oooooh, I hope, or, anything else, I'm not really picky

Don't get your hopes up. The bigger reveal might just be actual pics instead of an outline

i thought they were making all of these mps scale to eachother. so this guy will be like half bumblebees size then?

griftimus prime wrote:i thought they were making all of these mps scale to eachother. so this guy will be like half bumblebees size then?

This isn't the same MP series as the others.

Besides, RobotMasters had Primal (and Megatron) be Autobot-sized:

Va'al wrote:

What's between his robot mode legs? It can't be unseen!!!!!!!!!!

Hope they announce a Masterpiece Dinobot!

I won't take it away from people who like Beast Wars figures, but I never cared much for them. Even the 'Masterpiece' version of this one doesn't look like great shakes to me.

Shockwave7 wrote:I won't take it away from people who like Beast Wars figures, but I never cared much for them. Even the 'Masterpiece' version of this one doesn't look like great shakes to me.

I agree. I'd much rather have a realistic looking gorilla with elements of the character model in the cartoon that transforms into a more cartoon accurate robot mode. Basically like the licensed G1 vehicles but with animal modes instead.

Seibertron wrote:

Shockwave7 wrote:I won't take it away from people who like Beast Wars figures, but I never cared much for them. Even the 'Masterpiece' version of this one doesn't look like great shakes to me.

I agree. I'd much rather have a realistic looking gorilla with elements of the character model in the cartoon that transforms into a more cartoon accurate robot mode. Basically like the licensed G1 vehicles but with animal modes instead.

Do that after we finally get one that looks like the Boss Monkey we know and love from the show.

Sabrblade wrote:

Seibertron wrote:

Shockwave7 wrote:I won't take it away from people who like Beast Wars figures, but I never cared much for them. Even the 'Masterpiece' version of this one doesn't look like great shakes to me.

I agree. I'd much rather have a realistic looking gorilla with elements of the character model in the cartoon that transforms into a more cartoon accurate robot mode. Basically like the licensed G1 vehicles but with animal modes instead.

Do that after we finally get one that looks like the Boss Monkey we know and love from the show.

Do you really want one that looks like that? His beast mode looks horrible.

Seibertron wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Seibertron wrote:

Shockwave7 wrote:I won't take it away from people who like Beast Wars figures, but I never cared much for them. Even the 'Masterpiece' version of this one doesn't look like great shakes to me.

I agree. I'd much rather have a realistic looking gorilla with elements of the character model in the cartoon that transforms into a more cartoon accurate robot mode. Basically like the licensed G1 vehicles but with animal modes instead.

Do that after we finally get one that looks like the Boss Monkey we know and love from the show.

Do you really want one that looks like that? His beast mode looks horrible.

It looks like a cartoon ape, and I grew up watching a cartoon ape on TV, so I want a toy of the cartoon ape I know and love.

Something that looks like this, however, is not Optimus Primal, is hideously ugly by comparison to the much friendlier-looking, well-groomed CGI model, and would be a disservice to the character's iconic look.

It's like how Generations Arcee was rightfully her original look before all else, and now that we have her perfect version done and out of the way, we can get new, updated takes on her made afterward.

But the Beast Wars characters were not realistic animals, they were cartoon animals. Give us the cartoon animal toys first and then give us realistic animal updates later. Besides, this silhouette shows the beat mode hunched over in a realistic ape position anyway.

But then again, I'm the guy who also wants new Dinoforce toys with their Pretender shells as cute-looking plush toys with zipper pockets in their backs to put the figures inside.

Sabrblade wrote:Something that looks like this, however, is not Optimus Primal, is hideously ugly by comparison to the much friendlier-looking, well-groomed CGI model, and would be a disservice to the character's iconic look.

To each their own. I'd rather have realistic looking animals that had nods to their cartoon models. That would look way more awesome than an out-of-date cgi model version of the character. Realistic animal modes would be far more timeless as well since they don't go out of date like a 1980s Lancia Stratos or Beetle does.

Seibertron wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Something that looks like this, however, is not Optimus Primal, is hideously ugly by comparison to the much friendlier-looking, well-groomed CGI model, and would be a disservice to the character's iconic look.

To each their own. I'd rather have realistic looking animals that had nods to their cartoon models. That would look way more awesome than an out-of-date cgi model version of the character. Realistic animal modes would be far more timeless as well since they don't go out of date like a 1980s Lancia Stratos or Beetle does.

At the end of the day, it just boils down to "I just want what I saw on TV." And I feel I still haven't quite gotten that yet (BW 10th TRU Primal and Telemocha Convoy have been very close, though).

To me, it's less a matter between what looks "good" vs. what looks "bad", and more between what looks "right" and what looks "wrong".

Sabrblade wrote:

Seibertron wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Something that looks like this, however, is not Optimus Primal, is hideously ugly by comparison to the much friendlier-looking, well-groomed CGI model, and would be a disservice to the character's iconic look.

To each their own. I'd rather have realistic looking animals that had nods to their cartoon models. That would look way more awesome than an out-of-date cgi model version of the character. Realistic animal modes would be far more timeless as well since they don't go out of date like a 1980s Lancia Stratos or Beetle does.

At the end of the day, it just boils down to "I just want what I saw on TV." And I feel I still haven't quite gotten that yet (BW 10th TRU Primal and Telemocha Convoy have been very close, though).

To me, it's less a matter between what looks "good" vs. what looks "bad", and more between what looks "right" and what looks "wrong".

Exactly, the Mp line is about making figures that look like the show characters, as BW figures could be seen as having two characters (beast and bot modes) that is what needs to be done

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Seibertron wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Something that looks like this, however, is not Optimus Primal, is hideously ugly by comparison to the much friendlier-looking, well-groomed CGI model, and would be a disservice to the character's iconic look.

To each their own. I'd rather have realistic looking animals that had nods to their cartoon models. That would look way more awesome than an out-of-date cgi model version of the character. Realistic animal modes would be far more timeless as well since they don't go out of date like a 1980s Lancia Stratos or Beetle does.

At the end of the day, it just boils down to "I just want what I saw on TV." And I feel I still haven't quite gotten that yet (BW 10th TRU Primal and Telemocha Convoy have been very close, though).

To me, it's less a matter between what looks "good" vs. what looks "bad", and more between what looks "right" and what looks "wrong".

Exactly, the Mp line is about making figures that look like the show characters, as BW figures could be seen as having two characters (beast and bot modes) that is what needs to be done

Bingo! A car is a car is a car. If not held back by the animation (and budget) of the day the G1 cartoon would have animated the most realistic cars they possibly could so the MP line works perfectly. Beast Wars is different. In BW the beast mode needs to be just as expressive as the bot mode so we can believe it's capable of talking and non-animal emotion. Even if Mainframe had the budget they still wouldn't have made the beast modes realistic, it just doesn't work as characters and wouldn't work as figures. The original toy line tried for realism, now it's time for TV accuracy.

And nobody wants a realistic BW Dinobot, they'll be in for a big surprise with that one.

Emerje

I'm not overly concerned about about the realistic hunch he seems to have, since he did walk like that some times. I'm deffinitly a part of the crowd who wants him to look like the CG model though.

Speaking along those lines, I was a little let down by Generations Rattrap not having his lovable cartoony mouse face. Things like that should be preserved if it's for a line like MP. All of this talk about Primal has me vibrating... but more so for the mere idea of there being a MP Dinobot in the future

shajaki wrote:I'm not overly concerned about about the realistic hunch he seems to have, since he did walk like that some times. I'm deffinitly a part of the crowd who wants him to look like the CG model though.

Speaking along those lines, I was a little let down by Generations Rattrap not having his lovable cartoony mouse face. Things like that should be preserved if it's for a line like MP. All of this talk about Primal has me vibrating... but more so for the mere idea of there being a MP Dinobot in the future

I'd rather Elephorca from Rhinox, it's already part way there, and would be awesome

I'm excited to see an actual proto pic of Primal!


Hopefully soon.

Is this like one of those Magic Eye silhouettes? Stare long enough at the black shape and the whole figure will be revealed?

Some of you guys really need to tone down the ridiculous responses, its a silhouette, wait till you see the bloody toy before you crap all over it. Youre not THAT good at predicting things.

Hellscream9999 wrote:
Exactly, the Mp line is about making figures that look like the show characters, as BW figures could be seen as having two characters (beast and bot modes) that is what needs to be done

But not all of them do in alt mode. Take wheeljack for instance, that alt mode does not look like the one he had in the cartoon. Also MP Ironhide doesnt look like he did in the cartoon either

william-james88 wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:
Exactly, the Mp line is about making figures that look like the show characters, as BW figures could be seen as having two characters (beast and bot modes) that is what needs to be done

But not all of them do in alt mode. Take wheeljack for instance, that alt mode does not look like the one he had in the cartoon. Also MP Ironhide doesnt look like he did in the cartoon either

Even in Robot Mode, Wheeljack's deco is a little off. Not just from the vehicle stripes but from all the black that should have been gray.

But on the subject of realistic altmodes vs. cartoon-accurate altmodes, I liken this subject to another topic: If they were to make Masterpiece Animated toys, wouldn't folks want the characters to turn into the cartoony cars and trucks that they were in the cartoon, instead of realistic vehicles, despite some of the cartoony vehicles having some real world versions that those few were based on?

Lugnut's altmode, for instance, contains elements from both a B-25 Mitchell and a Heinkel He 111. Ultra Magnus turned into a Heavy Expanded Mobility Tactical Truck. Jazz was a cross between G1 Jazz's Porche altmode and a 1950s Corvette. Blitzwing's jet mode bore a loose resemblance to a Northrop Grumman F-14 Tomcat. Lockdown turned into a modified hybrid of a 1980s Corvette and a 1960s Cougar. Soundwave was, more or less, a Scion xB. Starscream's jet mode was even derived from the Su-47 Eperimental Russian Fighter. Even Laserbeak was a Dean Razorback V guitar.

For a MP Animated line, I really find it hard to believe that most (of those who would actually want MP Animated toys) would want these guys to transform into the realistic versions of these altmodes instead of the stylized cartoony versions seen in the show. Likewise, the Beast Wars season 1 altmodes were stylized cartoony animals rather than realistic ones.

But the whole point of Animated was that it was animated. The toys were from the character designs.
In Beast Wars, the toys came first. Different folks see Beast Wars in different ways. Animated was to be seen as such.

Cobotron wrote:But the whole point of Animated was that it was animated. The toys were from the character designs.
In Beast Wars, the toys came first. Different folks see Beast Wars in different ways. Animated was to be seen as such.

I wouldn't call the first Beast Wars toys realistic animals either. Certainly not Cheetor and Tigatron.

Universe Cheetor, however, was a realistic cheetah (and suffered as a result).

Cobotron wrote:But the whole point of Animated was that it was animated. The toys were from the character designs.
In Beast Wars, the toys came first. Different folks see Beast Wars in different ways. Animated was to be seen as such.

Lest we forget the new style in which transformers seem to be designed these days. Prime, the movies, and the newer IDW stuff is using a style where the robot mode is designed first, and the vehicle mode is chosen, and then how the transformation works is all after thought. makes for some very dynamic robot modes, if difficult transformations to pull off

Good discussion. If a character from the TFA series gets the MP treatment, then they'll look like the "cartoon" then?

Stumpybot wrote:Is this like one of those Magic Eye silhouettes? Stare long enough at the black shape and the whole figure will be revealed?

Some of you guys really need to tone down the ridiculous responses, its a silhouette, wait till you see the bloody toy before you crap all over it. Youre not THAT good at predicting things.

How quickly we forget.



Between the CG and the silhouette we've already got a good basis for our concerns over the figure. Those feet are still one of my major complaints, they just make no sense looking like that.

Emerje

A so called masterpiece should not have robot parts showing in the gorilla mode, especially since the simple transformation makes it far to easy to hide them. PASS

fenrir72 wrote:Good discussion. If a character from the TFA series gets the MP treatment, then they'll look like the "cartoon" then?

All those toys need to be MPs are closer ratchet points on the knees of Leaders Ultra Magnus and Megatron. The line itself is as MP as it can get aside from that.

MR Optimus Prime wrote:A so called masterpiece should not have robot parts showing in the gorilla mode, especially since the simple transformation makes it far to easy to hide them. PASS

I dont know if I will pass but this was what i was thinking. I wasnt thinking whether or not it shouuld be a gorilla or the show model. I just wanted what they showed us.

It was amix of both I guess, show model and a gorilla. But what blew me away was how it didnt have the robot parts. It's not that crazy since the shoulder pads hise the arm robot detail, the robot legs flip out so the robot detail stays insid concealed when in animal mode. It wouldnt have been perfect like the image below but now I am wondering why I should get this guy istead of just waiting for last year's lgends to be available for a decent price somewhere.

william-james88 wrote:

MR Optimus Prime wrote:A so called masterpiece should not have robot parts showing in the gorilla mode, especially since the simple transformation makes it far to easy to hide them. PASS

I dont know if I will pass but this was what i was thinking. I wasnt thinking whether or not it shouuld be a gorilla or the show model. I just wanted what they showed us.

It was amix of both I guess, show model and a gorilla. But what blew me away was how it didnt have the robot parts. It's not that crazy since the shoulder pads hise the arm robot detail, the robot legs flip out so the robot detail stays insid concealed when in animal mode. It wouldnt have been perfect like the image below but now I am wondering why I should get this guy istead of just waiting for last year's lgends to be available for a decent price somewhere.

I got last year's legends and I am glad I did. That figure would be perfect with only filling in some outside plastic, and painting the exterior white/red that of his fur. So this new MP Primal has no excuse for robot parts simply becuase of the original figure.

MR Optimus Prime wrote:I got last year's legends and I am glad I did. That figure would be perfect with only filling in some outside plastic, and painting the exterior white/red that of his fur. So this new MP Primal has no excuse for robot parts simply becuase of the original figure.

Yup! Could not have said so better myself.

Think about it guys, would any excuse fly for an MP BW Megatron to have some robot mode kibble in Beast Mode?!

william-james88 wrote:

MR Optimus Prime wrote:I got last year's legends and I am glad I did. That figure would be perfect with only filling in some outside plastic, and painting the exterior white/red that of his fur. So this new MP Primal has no excuse for robot parts simply becuase of the original figure.

Yup! Could not have said so better myself.

Think about it guys, would any excuse fly for an MP BW Megatron to have some robot mode kibble in Beast Mode?!

What robot kibble are you guys seeing in that unfinished beast mode CG render? The feet?

Sabrblade wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

MR Optimus Prime wrote:I got last year's legends and I am glad I did. That figure would be perfect with only filling in some outside plastic, and painting the exterior white/red that of his fur. So this new MP Primal has no excuse for robot parts simply becuase of the original figure.

Yup! Could not have said so better myself.

Think about it guys, would any excuse fly for an MP BW Megatron to have some robot mode kibble in Beast Mode?!

What robot kibble are you guys seeing in that unfinished beast mode CG render? The feet?

Feet and butt cheeks

william-james88 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

MR Optimus Prime wrote:I got last year's legends and I am glad I did. That figure would be perfect with only filling in some outside plastic, and painting the exterior white/red that of his fur. So this new MP Primal has no excuse for robot parts simply becuase of the original figure.

Yup! Could not have said so better myself.

Think about it guys, would any excuse fly for an MP BW Megatron to have some robot mode kibble in Beast Mode?!

What robot kibble are you guys seeing in that unfinished beast mode CG render? The feet?

Feet and butt cheeks

You can see his butt from the front?

Wow... y'all are pretty unforgiving. I for one think it would be pretty difficult to hide every bit of robot in his beast mode. Engineering extra bits just as cover up pieces I feel would just add unnecessary steps and possibly make him look clunky.

Robot/gorilla feet look fine to me too.

Sabrblade wrote:

william-james88 wrote:
Feet and butt cheeks

You can see his butt from the front?

Sure, back of his feet too.

Cant you see it?



Close Up (look at the back of his feet



Here is a digibash to give you an idea of his butt:

I see a bulge on his back that every season 1 gorrilla Primal toy has had, but his butt's hidden from view behind his thighs.

And whatever's going on with the heels of his feet is too vague to really make out.

That robot mode is pretty much perfect. I can't wait to get Ol'Big Bot.

Tyberion wrote:That robot mode is pretty much perfect. I can't wait to get Ol'Big Bot.

But here is my question, how is it more perfect than this:

william-james88 wrote:

Tyberion wrote:That robot mode is pretty much perfect. I can't wait to get Ol'Big Bot.

But here is my question, how is it more perfect than this:

Mostly proportions:In Robot Mode the MP Primal is less top heavy, his forearms are more rounded and his legs are longer. Overall he is just a more accurate representation of the character as he appeared in the show.

I still have the original Primal toy somewhere, which I adore.

I really hope MP Primal is followed by other BW characters down the line. I was going to list the ones I would really want but that seems kind of pointless as the answer is all of them

william-james88 wrote:

Tyberion wrote:That robot mode is pretty much perfect. I can't wait to get Ol'Big Bot.

But here is my question, how is it more perfect than this:

Articulated fingers, more show-accurately sculpted thighs and hips, likely no intrusive gimmick that inhibits arm movement*, show-accurately-sculpted shoulder pads, likely no gorilla back kibble attached to his missile launchers, no unpaintable plastic light gray gorilla ears sticking out the sides of his darker-colored torso, no unpaintable plastic light gray elbows or shoulders, etc.

The RobotMasters/Telemocha Series/Legend Commander Collection mold fixed some, but not all, of these issues.


* - Seriously, the Ultra class Primal toy has no free arm movement. His arms are all tied to a gear-based gimmick that allows him to either beat his chest in beast mode or spin his sword-swinging arms around in robot mode. His arms can't freely move in any which way without somehow gutting the gimmick (which I did to mine). Otherwise, any which way one tries to move one of his arms will in turn cause his opposite arm to move in some random motion on its own.

Sabrblade wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Tyberion wrote:That robot mode is pretty much perfect. I can't wait to get Ol'Big Bot.

But here is my question, how is it more perfect than this:

Articulated fingers, more show-accurately sculpted thighs and hips, likely no intrusive gimmick that inhibits arm movement*, show-accurately-sculpted shoulder pads, likely no gorilla back kibble attached to his missile launchers, no unpaintable plastic light gray gorilla ears sticking out the sides of his darker-colored torso, no unpaintable plastic light gray elbows or shoulders, etc.

The RobotMasters/Telemocha Series/Legend Commander Collection mold fixed some, but not all, of these issues.


* - Seriously, the Ultra class Primal toy has no free arm movement. His arms are all tied to a gear-based gimmick that allows him to either beat his chest in beast mode or spin his sword-swinging arms around in robot mode. His arms can't freely move in any which way without somehow gutting the gimmick (which I did to mine). Otherwise, any which way one tries to move one of his arms will in turn cause his opposite arm to move in some random motion on its own.

Ok sunds good. Now here is my other question, would a generations version be that different from this MP? I am prety cure it wouldnt have arituclated figures but what would it be aside from that?

I ask because Gen Rhinox was one hell of an update over the original and doesnt seem that much inferior (at least in looks) over this MP Primal.

I just picture the price now of about 10000 Yen and wonder why it would cost that much.

Like with MP Magnus. It is a good toy, no argument there. But it was pretty easyto get Gen Magnus for 40$ while the MP was about 150$. Was the diffrence between the two woth at least 100$? Was the Gen Magnus a better deal for what you are getting to waht you are paying compared to MP Magnus? Or was the rice of MP Magnus perfectly linear in the function of quality/price?

I am pretty much thinking the same for Primal here.

william-james88 wrote:Ok sunds good. Now here is my other question, would a generations version be that different from this MP? I am prety cure it wouldnt have arituclated figures but what would it be aside from that?

This kind of question really just depends on how much one wants a show-accurate toy. Your MP Magnus vs. Generations Magnus is a good example of this. Generations Magnus is a good toy, but looks completely wrong for one who'd want a show-accurate version of Magnus, which the MP delivers on.

Likewise, for Generations Rhinox, it's a very good toy and the BW cartoon model inspiration is evident (meaning that it looks like Rhinox's show model enough for us to tell who it is), but there are a TON of tiny details all over the Gen Rhinox toy that are completely inaccurate to the show's animation model. This isn't the toy's fault, but is more due to the Generations (and Classics overall) line being more willing to take liberties with its toys' designs and aesthetics, making them look more like "updates" rather than the faithful recreations of the source material designs and looks that MPs usual tend to strive towards being.

So while Generations Rhinox and Ultra Manus are nice toys for what they are, both are far cries from what kind of show-accuracy one would expect from (and want) MP versions of them to have.

Fair enough Sabr! I guess for me, show accuracy is only a plus if it showcases wit in engineering (like Takara's UW Superion over Hasbro's). But show accuracy for the hell of it is not something I deem worth the extra chash I may drop.

Like I said to Ryan earlier in this thread, I just want what I saw on TV, and feel I haven't quite gotten that yet.

Sabrblade wrote:Like I said to Ryan earlier in this thread, I just want what I saw on TV, and feel I haven't quite gotten that yet.

It's interesting to read how important the beast modes are to you guys. It makes complete sense because it was really the first time the alt mode was treated like a character and had so much on screen presence versus vehicle alt modes which have very little screen time and are basically used in battle or to get from point A to B.

Maybe the Generations line is where it's at. I really liked the more "realistic" looking alt modes of Rattrap, Rhinox and Waspinator, though I was bummed that they just reused the 20 year old Beast Wars mold for Optimus Primal.

All of this talk about Beast Wars the past few weeks really has me wanting to sink my teeth into some new Beast Wars galleries!

william-james88 wrote:would a generations version be that different from this MP? I am prety cure it wouldnt have arituclated figures but what would it be aside from that?

It really truly would. Look at G Rattrap and Rhinox: liberties taken in bot mode (some major, some subtle) and beast modes certainly are not the cute cartoon models. This MP Primal evokes the cartoon model quite faithfully. A G Primal would likely have a pretty faithful bot mode, but more realistic angry king kong looking gorilla.

william-james88 wrote:I just picture the price now of about 10000 Yen and wonder why it would cost that much.

Has that been stated? I assumed his size and price would be more along the lines of the Autobot cars.

william-james88 wrote:Like with MP Magnus. It is a good toy, no argument there. But it was pretty easyto get Gen Magnus for 40$ while the MP was about 150$. Was the diffrence between the two woth at least 100$?

Do you have MP Magnus? If you have them both in your hands, you'll find that missing hundred bucks.