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[Seibertron]

I won't take it away from people who like Beast Wars figures, but I never cared much for them. Even the 'Masterpiece' version of this one doesn't look like great shakes to me.

I agree. I'd much rather have a realistic looking gorilla with elements of the character model in the cartoon that transforms into a more cartoon accurate robot mode. Basically like the licensed G1 vehicles but with animal modes instead.

[Sabrblade]

I won't take it away from people who like Beast Wars figures, but I never cared much for them. Even the 'Masterpiece' version of this one doesn't look like great shakes to me.

I agree. I'd much rather have a realistic looking gorilla with elements of the character model in the cartoon that transforms into a more cartoon accurate robot mode. Basically like the licensed G1 vehicles but with animal modes instead.

Do that after we finally get one that looks like the Boss Monkey we know and love from the show.

[Seibertron]

I won't take it away from people who like Beast Wars figures, but I never cared much for them. Even the 'Masterpiece' version of this one doesn't look like great shakes to me.

I agree. I'd much rather have a realistic looking gorilla with elements of the character model in the cartoon that transforms into a more cartoon accurate robot mode. Basically like the licensed G1 vehicles but with animal modes instead.

Do that after we finally get one that looks like the Boss Monkey we know and love from the show.

Do you really want one that looks like that? His beast mode looks horrible.

[Sabrblade]

I won't take it away from people who like Beast Wars figures, but I never cared much for them. Even the 'Masterpiece' version of this one doesn't look like great shakes to me.

I agree. I'd much rather have a realistic looking gorilla with elements of the character model in the cartoon that transforms into a more cartoon accurate robot mode. Basically like the licensed G1 vehicles but with animal modes instead.

Do that after we finally get one that looks like the Boss Monkey we know and love from the show.

Do you really want one that looks like that? His beast mode looks horrible.

It looks like a cartoon ape, and I grew up watching a cartoon ape on TV, so I want a toy of the cartoon ape I know and love.

Something that looks like this, however, is not Optimus Primal, is hideously ugly by comparison to the much friendlier-looking, well-groomed CGI model, and would be a disservice to the character's iconic look.

It's like how Generations Arcee was rightfully her original look before all else, and now that we have her perfect version done and out of the way, we can get new, updated takes on her made afterward.

But the Beast Wars characters were not realistic animals, they were cartoon animals. Give us the cartoon animal toys first and then give us realistic animal updates later. Besides, this silhouette shows the beat mode hunched over in a realistic ape position anyway.

But then again, I'm the guy who also wants new Dinoforce toys with their Pretender shells as cute-looking plush toys with zipper pockets in their backs to put the figures inside.

[Seibertron]

Something that looks like this, however, is not Optimus Primal, is hideously ugly by comparison to the much friendlier-looking, well-groomed CGI model, and would be a disservice to the character's iconic look.

To each their own. I'd rather have realistic looking animals that had nods to their cartoon models. That would look way more awesome than an out-of-date cgi model version of the character. Realistic animal modes would be far more timeless as well since they don't go out of date like a 1980s Lancia Stratos or Beetle does.

[Sabrblade]

Something that looks like this, however, is not Optimus Primal, is hideously ugly by comparison to the much friendlier-looking, well-groomed CGI model, and would be a disservice to the character's iconic look.

To each their own. I'd rather have realistic looking animals that had nods to their cartoon models. That would look way more awesome than an out-of-date cgi model version of the character. Realistic animal modes would be far more timeless as well since they don't go out of date like a 1980s Lancia Stratos or Beetle does.

At the end of the day, it just boils down to "I just want what I saw on TV." And I feel I still haven't quite gotten that yet (BW 10th TRU Primal and Telemocha Convoy have been very close, though).

To me, it's less a matter between what looks "good" vs. what looks "bad", and more between what looks "right" and what looks "wrong".

[Hellscream9999]

Something that looks like this, however, is not Optimus Primal, is hideously ugly by comparison to the much friendlier-looking, well-groomed CGI model, and would be a disservice to the character's iconic look.

To each their own. I'd rather have realistic looking animals that had nods to their cartoon models. That would look way more awesome than an out-of-date cgi model version of the character. Realistic animal modes would be far more timeless as well since they don't go out of date like a 1980s Lancia Stratos or Beetle does.

At the end of the day, it just boils down to "I just want what I saw on TV." And I feel I still haven't quite gotten that yet (BW 10th TRU Primal and Telemocha Convoy have been very close, though).

To me, it's less a matter between what looks "good" vs. what looks "bad", and more between what looks "right" and what looks "wrong".

Exactly, the Mp line is about making figures that look like the show characters, as BW figures could be seen as having two characters (beast and bot modes) that is what needs to be done

[Emerje]

Something that looks like this, however, is not Optimus Primal, is hideously ugly by comparison to the much friendlier-looking, well-groomed CGI model, and would be a disservice to the character's iconic look.

To each their own. I'd rather have realistic looking animals that had nods to their cartoon models. That would look way more awesome than an out-of-date cgi model version of the character. Realistic animal modes would be far more timeless as well since they don't go out of date like a 1980s Lancia Stratos or Beetle does.

At the end of the day, it just boils down to "I just want what I saw on TV." And I feel I still haven't quite gotten that yet (BW 10th TRU Primal and Telemocha Convoy have been very close, though).

To me, it's less a matter between what looks "good" vs. what looks "bad", and more between what looks "right" and what looks "wrong".

Exactly, the Mp line is about making figures that look like the show characters, as BW figures could be seen as having two characters (beast and bot modes) that is what needs to be done

Bingo! A car is a car is a car. If not held back by the animation (and budget) of the day the G1 cartoon would have animated the most realistic cars they possibly could so the MP line works perfectly. Beast Wars is different. In BW the beast mode needs to be just as expressive as the bot mode so we can believe it's capable of talking and non-animal emotion. Even if Mainframe had the budget they still wouldn't have made the beast modes realistic, it just doesn't work as characters and wouldn't work as figures. The original toy line tried for realism, now it's time for TV accuracy.

And nobody wants a realistic BW Dinobot, they'll be in for a big surprise with that one.

Emerje

[shajaki]

I'm not overly concerned about about the realistic hunch he seems to have, since he did walk like that some times. I'm deffinitly a part of the crowd who wants him to look like the CG model though.

Speaking along those lines, I was a little let down by Generations Rattrap not having his lovable cartoony mouse face. Things like that should be preserved if it's for a line like MP. All of this talk about Primal has me vibrating... but more so for the mere idea of there being a MP Dinobot in the future

[Hellscream9999]

I'm not overly concerned about about the realistic hunch he seems to have, since he did walk like that some times. I'm deffinitly a part of the crowd who wants him to look like the CG model though.

Speaking along those lines, I was a little let down by Generations Rattrap not having his lovable cartoony mouse face. Things like that should be preserved if it's for a line like MP. All of this talk about Primal has me vibrating... but more so for the mere idea of there being a MP Dinobot in the future

I'd rather Elephorca from Rhinox, it's already part way there, and would be awesome

[Robogeek1973]

I'm excited to see an actual proto pic of Primal!


Hopefully soon.

[Stumpybot]

Is this like one of those Magic Eye silhouettes? Stare long enough at the black shape and the whole figure will be revealed?

Some of you guys really need to tone down the ridiculous responses, its a silhouette, wait till you see the bloody toy before you crap all over it. Youre not THAT good at predicting things.

[william-james88]

Exactly, the Mp line is about making figures that look like the show characters, as BW figures could be seen as having two characters (beast and bot modes) that is what needs to be done

But not all of them do in alt mode. Take wheeljack for instance, that alt mode does not look like the one he had in the cartoon. Also MP Ironhide doesnt look like he did in the cartoon either

[Sabrblade]

Exactly, the Mp line is about making figures that look like the show characters, as BW figures could be seen as having two characters (beast and bot modes) that is what needs to be done

But not all of them do in alt mode. Take wheeljack for instance, that alt mode does not look like the one he had in the cartoon. Also MP Ironhide doesnt look like he did in the cartoon either

Even in Robot Mode, Wheeljack's deco is a little off. Not just from the vehicle stripes but from all the black that should have been gray.

But on the subject of realistic altmodes vs. cartoon-accurate altmodes, I liken this subject to another topic: If they were to make Masterpiece Animated toys, wouldn't folks want the characters to turn into the cartoony cars and trucks that they were in the cartoon, instead of realistic vehicles, despite some of the cartoony vehicles having some real world versions that those few were based on?

Lugnut's altmode, for instance, contains elements from both a B-25 Mitchell and a Heinkel He 111. Ultra Magnus turned into a Heavy Expanded Mobility Tactical Truck. Jazz was a cross between G1 Jazz's Porche altmode and a 1950s Corvette. Blitzwing's jet mode bore a loose resemblance to a Northrop Grumman F-14 Tomcat. Lockdown turned into a modified hybrid of a 1980s Corvette and a 1960s Cougar. Soundwave was, more or less, a Scion xB. Starscream's jet mode was even derived from the Su-47 Eperimental Russian Fighter. Even Laserbeak was a Dean Razorback V guitar.

For a MP Animated line, I really find it hard to believe that most (of those who would actually want MP Animated toys) would want these guys to transform into the realistic versions of these altmodes instead of the stylized cartoony versions seen in the show. Likewise, the Beast Wars season 1 altmodes were stylized cartoony animals rather than realistic ones.

[Cobotron]

But the whole point of Animated was that it was animated. The toys were from the character designs.
In Beast Wars, the toys came first. Different folks see Beast Wars in different ways. Animated was to be seen as such.

[Sabrblade]

But the whole point of Animated was that it was animated. The toys were from the character designs.
In Beast Wars, the toys came first. Different folks see Beast Wars in different ways. Animated was to be seen as such.

I wouldn't call the first Beast Wars toys realistic animals either. Certainly not Cheetor and Tigatron.

Universe Cheetor, however, was a realistic cheetah (and suffered as a result).

[D-Maximal_Primal]

But the whole point of Animated was that it was animated. The toys were from the character designs.
In Beast Wars, the toys came first. Different folks see Beast Wars in different ways. Animated was to be seen as such.

Lest we forget the new style in which transformers seem to be designed these days. Prime, the movies, and the newer IDW stuff is using a style where the robot mode is designed first, and the vehicle mode is chosen, and then how the transformation works is all after thought. makes for some very dynamic robot modes, if difficult transformations to pull off

[fenrir72]

Good discussion. If a character from the TFA series gets the MP treatment, then they'll look like the "cartoon" then?

[Emerje]

Is this like one of those Magic Eye silhouettes? Stare long enough at the black shape and the whole figure will be revealed?

Some of you guys really need to tone down the ridiculous responses, its a silhouette, wait till you see the bloody toy before you crap all over it. Youre not THAT good at predicting things.

How quickly we forget.



Between the CG and the silhouette we've already got a good basis for our concerns over the figure. Those feet are still one of my major complaints, they just make no sense looking like that.

Emerje

[No One]

A so called masterpiece should not have robot parts showing in the gorilla mode, especially since the simple transformation makes it far to easy to hide them. PASS

[william-james88]

Good discussion. If a character from the TFA series gets the MP treatment, then they'll look like the "cartoon" then?

All those toys need to be MPs are closer ratchet points on the knees of Leaders Ultra Magnus and Megatron. The line itself is as MP as it can get aside from that.

[william-james88]

A so called masterpiece should not have robot parts showing in the gorilla mode, especially since the simple transformation makes it far to easy to hide them. PASS

I dont know if I will pass but this was what i was thinking. I wasnt thinking whether or not it shouuld be a gorilla or the show model. I just wanted what they showed us.

It was amix of both I guess, show model and a gorilla. But what blew me away was how it didnt have the robot parts. It's not that crazy since the shoulder pads hise the arm robot detail, the robot legs flip out so the robot detail stays insid concealed when in animal mode. It wouldnt have been perfect like the image below but now I am wondering why I should get this guy istead of just waiting for last year's lgends to be available for a decent price somewhere.

[No One]

A so called masterpiece should not have robot parts showing in the gorilla mode, especially since the simple transformation makes it far to easy to hide them. PASS

I dont know if I will pass but this was what i was thinking. I wasnt thinking whether or not it shouuld be a gorilla or the show model. I just wanted what they showed us.

It was amix of both I guess, show model and a gorilla. But what blew me away was how it didnt have the robot parts. It's not that crazy since the shoulder pads hise the arm robot detail, the robot legs flip out so the robot detail stays insid concealed when in animal mode. It wouldnt have been perfect like the image below but now I am wondering why I should get this guy istead of just waiting for last year's lgends to be available for a decent price somewhere.

I got last year's legends and I am glad I did. That figure would be perfect with only filling in some outside plastic, and painting the exterior white/red that of his fur. So this new MP Primal has no excuse for robot parts simply becuase of the original figure.

[william-james88]

I got last year's legends and I am glad I did. That figure would be perfect with only filling in some outside plastic, and painting the exterior white/red that of his fur. So this new MP Primal has no excuse for robot parts simply becuase of the original figure.

Yup! Could not have said so better myself.

Think about it guys, would any excuse fly for an MP BW Megatron to have some robot mode kibble in Beast Mode?!

[Sabrblade]

I got last year's legends and I am glad I did. That figure would be perfect with only filling in some outside plastic, and painting the exterior white/red that of his fur. So this new MP Primal has no excuse for robot parts simply becuase of the original figure.

Yup! Could not have said so better myself.

Think about it guys, would any excuse fly for an MP BW Megatron to have some robot mode kibble in Beast Mode?!

What robot kibble are you guys seeing in that unfinished beast mode CG render? The feet?