IDW Publishing Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #39 Full Preview

MrBlack wrote:Oh Primus, they have a mascot...

squeegeewing wrote:They have a mom...I love you, IDW!

megatronus wrote:Best. Preview. Ever.

SW's SilverHammer wrote:Something tells me Vos locked himself in his room to listen to his Tears for Fears albums.

Nemesis Maximo wrote:

SW's SilverHammer wrote:Something tells me Vos locked himself in his room to listen to his Tears for Fears albums.

"Something happens, and I'm head over wheels..."

Nemesis Maximo wrote:If Roberts doesn't use this as Vos' theme song, I'll be very sad.

Optimizzy wrote:wait wait wait.

She??? How long has Nickel been with the DJD? Did they pick her up from Caminus or something because I thought Cybertronians were unfamiliar with gender

Optimizzy wrote:wait wait wait.

She??? How long has Nickel been with the DJD? Did they pick her up from Caminus or something because I thought Cybertronians were unfamiliar with gender

Va'al wrote:

Optimizzy wrote:wait wait wait.

She??? How long has Nickel been with the DJD? Did they pick her up from Caminus or something because I thought Cybertronians were unfamiliar with gender

All will be explained.

mirageandjazz1197 wrote:

Va'al wrote:

Optimizzy wrote:wait wait wait.

She??? How long has Nickel been with the DJD? Did they pick her up from Caminus or something because I thought Cybertronians were unfamiliar with gender

All will be explained.

Wrong place to ask this but is it possible to change my username?

dreadwing95 wrote:who is that guy on the cover? he looks awesome

mirageandjazz1197 wrote:

Va'al wrote:

Optimizzy wrote:wait wait wait.

She??? How long has Nickel been with the DJD? Did they pick her up from Caminus or something because I thought Cybertronians were unfamiliar with gender

All will be explained.

Wrong place to ask this but is it possible to change my username?

mirageandjazz1197 wrote:

dreadwing95 wrote:who is that guy on the cover? he looks awesome

Deathsaurus

Optimizzy wrote:

mirageandjazz1197 wrote:

dreadwing95 wrote:who is that guy on the cover? he looks awesome

Deathsaurus

I do hope they come up with a good name for him. Something that doesn't sound so awkward but fits him. (Never liked deathsaurus or Dezarus, or whatever)

mirageandjazz1197 wrote:

dreadwing95 wrote:who is that guy on the cover? he looks awesome

Deathsaurus

Optimizzy wrote:

mirageandjazz1197 wrote:

dreadwing95 wrote:who is that guy on the cover? he looks awesome

Deathsaurus

I do hope they come up with a good name for him. Something that doesn't sound so awkward but fits him. (Never liked deathsaurus or Dezarus, or whatever)

ctrlFrequency wrote:I guess I'll have to be the one voice of dissent here. I can't even express my disappointment on this.

I don't want the DJD humanized, I especially don't want them having a mom. For many reasons, especially a feminist point of view, but I won't go there. Too hot of a topic.

The big thing is, why do we have to turn the Decepticons into pussy cats?

I do feel that it is important to make the Decepticons less 1 dimensional... bad because they're the bad guys. I like my bad guys to have a reason for it beyond "Because I am bad."

Depth, personality, reason, yes. Cutesy... it spoils the appeal of the DJD (I probably wouldn't even think twice about it if it was any other Decepticons). The DJD are monsters, why can't they remain that way? Why does everything scary (some of us like things scary) have to become Tumblr girl squee-fest material?

I wanted more depth to the DJD,but I was thinking more... I dunno, reason they were chosen, what personality/life event quirk brought them to where they are now. Not cookies, goodnight kisses, and motherly scolding.

ctrlFrequency wrote:I guess I'll have to be the one voice of dissent here. I can't even express my disappointment on this.

I don't want the DJD humanized, I especially don't want them having a mom. For many reasons, especially a feminist point of view, but I won't go there. Too hot of a topic.

The big thing is, why do we have to turn the Decepticons into pussy cats?

I do feel that it is important to make the Decepticons less 1 dimensional... bad because they're the bad guys. I like my bad guys to have a reason for it beyond "Because I am bad."

Depth, personality, reason, yes. Cutesy... it spoils the appeal of the DJD (I probably wouldn't even think twice about it if it was any other Decepticons). The DJD are monsters, why can't they remain that way? Why does everything scary (some of us like things scary) have to become Tumblr girl squee-fest material?

I wanted more depth to the DJD,but I was thinking more... I dunno, reason they were chosen, what personality/life event quirk brought them to where they are now. Not cookies, goodnight kisses, and motherly scolding.

SW's SilverHammer wrote:

ctrlFrequency wrote:I guess I'll have to be the one voice of dissent here. I can't even express my disappointment on this.

I don't want the DJD humanized, I especially don't want them having a mom. For many reasons, especially a feminist point of view, but I won't go there. Too hot of a topic.

The big thing is, why do we have to turn the Decepticons into pussy cats?

I do feel that it is important to make the Decepticons less 1 dimensional... bad because they're the bad guys. I like my bad guys to have a reason for it beyond "Because I am bad."

Depth, personality, reason, yes. Cutesy... it spoils the appeal of the DJD (I probably wouldn't even think twice about it if it was any other Decepticons). The DJD are monsters, why can't they remain that way? Why does everything scary (some of us like things scary) have to become Tumblr girl squee-fest material?

I wanted more depth to the DJD,but I was thinking more... I dunno, reason they were chosen, what personality/life event quirk brought them to where they are now. Not cookies, goodnight kisses, and motherly scolding.

I think the problem is after their first appearance, and the alternate probability of them shown in the slaughter-hause; there's no way to develop them further without making them look more like wrestling heels, without changing the tone. Based on their few issues alone, one would think they've been booked to be the most OP transformers ever; to the point of why isn't the next issue, "DJD goes on rampage, Kills everyone everywhere". If they did something that was just this is how american psycho #1 got his/her job, it would get boring, especially considering the DJD haven't been shown before this point to have anymore character than "I love blood and violence! I've got a boner for murder!".

Optimizzy wrote:

SW's SilverHammer wrote:

ctrlFrequency wrote:I guess I'll have to be the one voice of dissent here. I can't even express my disappointment on this.

I don't want the DJD humanized, I especially don't want them having a mom. For many reasons, especially a feminist point of view, but I won't go there. Too hot of a topic.

The big thing is, why do we have to turn the Decepticons into pussy cats?

I do feel that it is important to make the Decepticons less 1 dimensional... bad because they're the bad guys. I like my bad guys to have a reason for it beyond "Because I am bad."

Depth, personality, reason, yes. Cutesy... it spoils the appeal of the DJD (I probably wouldn't even think twice about it if it was any other Decepticons). The DJD are monsters, why can't they remain that way? Why does everything scary (some of us like things scary) have to become Tumblr girl squee-fest material?

I wanted more depth to the DJD,but I was thinking more... I dunno, reason they were chosen, what personality/life event quirk brought them to where they are now. Not cookies, goodnight kisses, and motherly scolding.

I think the problem is after their first appearance, and the alternate probability of them shown in the slaughter-hause; there's no way to develop them further without making them look more like wrestling heels, without changing the tone. Based on their few issues alone, one would think they've been booked to be the most OP transformers ever; to the point of why isn't the next issue, "DJD goes on rampage, Kills everyone everywhere". If they did something that was just this is how american psycho #1 got his/her job, it would get boring, especially considering the DJD haven't been shown before this point to have anymore character than "I love blood and violence! I've got a boner for murder!".

I think there are ways to preserve those fearsome rep, without making them cute. The religious aspect is good. The idea that they may not be happy with what they do but so it anyway could be better explored. The whole mom thing though just degrades it a bit.

SW's SilverHammer wrote:

Optimizzy wrote:

SW's SilverHammer wrote:

ctrlFrequency wrote:I guess I'll have to be the one voice of dissent here. I can't even express my disappointment on this.

I don't want the DJD humanized, I especially don't want them having a mom. For many reasons, especially a feminist point of view, but I won't go there. Too hot of a topic.

The big thing is, why do we have to turn the Decepticons into pussy cats?

I do feel that it is important to make the Decepticons less 1 dimensional... bad because they're the bad guys. I like my bad guys to have a reason for it beyond "Because I am bad."

Depth, personality, reason, yes. Cutesy... it spoils the appeal of the DJD (I probably wouldn't even think twice about it if it was any other Decepticons). The DJD are monsters, why can't they remain that way? Why does everything scary (some of us like things scary) have to become Tumblr girl squee-fest material?

I wanted more depth to the DJD,but I was thinking more... I dunno, reason they were chosen, what personality/life event quirk brought them to where they are now. Not cookies, goodnight kisses, and motherly scolding.

I think the problem is after their first appearance, and the alternate probability of them shown in the slaughter-hause; there's no way to develop them further without making them look more like wrestling heels, without changing the tone. Based on their few issues alone, one would think they've been booked to be the most OP transformers ever; to the point of why isn't the next issue, "DJD goes on rampage, Kills everyone everywhere". If they did something that was just this is how american psycho #1 got his/her job, it would get boring, especially considering the DJD haven't been shown before this point to have anymore character than "I love blood and violence! I've got a boner for murder!".

I think there are ways to preserve those fearsome rep, without making them cute. The religious aspect is good. The idea that they may not be happy with what they do but so it anyway could be better explored. The whole mom thing though just degrades it a bit.

Okay then, here's a serious question, what does the DJD do when they aren't murdering and torturing people?

SW's SilverHammer wrote:
I think the problem is after their first appearance, and the alternate probability of them shown in the slaughter-hause; there's no way to develop them further without making them look more like wrestling heels, without changing the tone. Based on their few issues alone, one would think they've been booked to be the most OP transformers ever; to the point of why isn't the next issue, "DJD goes on rampage, Kills everyone everywhere". If they did something that was just this is how american psycho #1 got his/her job, it would get boring, especially considering the DJD haven't been shown before this point to have anymore character than "I love blood and violence! I've got a boner for murder!".

SW's SilverHammer wrote:

Optimizzy wrote:

SW's SilverHammer wrote:

ctrlFrequency wrote:I guess I'll have to be the one voice of dissent here. I can't even express my disappointment on this.

I don't want the DJD humanized, I especially don't want them having a mom. For many reasons, especially a feminist point of view, but I won't go there. Too hot of a topic.

The big thing is, why do we have to turn the Decepticons into pussy cats?

I do feel that it is important to make the Decepticons less 1 dimensional... bad because they're the bad guys. I like my bad guys to have a reason for it beyond "Because I am bad."

Depth, personality, reason, yes. Cutesy... it spoils the appeal of the DJD (I probably wouldn't even think twice about it if it was any other Decepticons). The DJD are monsters, why can't they remain that way? Why does everything scary (some of us like things scary) have to become Tumblr girl squee-fest material?

I wanted more depth to the DJD,but I was thinking more... I dunno, reason they were chosen, what personality/life event quirk brought them to where they are now. Not cookies, goodnight kisses, and motherly scolding.

I think the problem is after their first appearance, and the alternate probability of them shown in the slaughter-hause; there's no way to develop them further without making them look more like wrestling heels, without changing the tone. Based on their few issues alone, one would think they've been booked to be the most OP transformers ever; to the point of why isn't the next issue, "DJD goes on rampage, Kills everyone everywhere". If they did something that was just this is how american psycho #1 got his/her job, it would get boring, especially considering the DJD haven't been shown before this point to have anymore character than "I love blood and violence! I've got a boner for murder!".

I think there are ways to preserve those fearsome rep, without making them cute. The religious aspect is good. The idea that they may not be happy with what they do but so it anyway could be better explored. The whole mom thing though just degrades it a bit.

Okay then, here's a serious question, what does the DJD do when they aren't murdering and torturing people?

ctrlFrequency wrote:
Okay, I completely agree with your point on becoming 1 dimensional. There is, however, a difference between horror and gore. You can keep the horror element without degrading it into "and the DJD come along and kill everyone... again" Horror is layers. Gore is... well the DJD kill everyone... again. Horror keeps you up at night. Horror plays on your fear and paranoia in deliciously creative ways.

Personality and depth doesn't have to be boring resumes. Personality is Megatron starting a revolution because a caste system needed torn down, then spiraling out of control. Personality has, however, become turning everything cute.

Some things shouldn't be cute. The DJD, in my opinion, should keep you up at night and certainly not making you want to hug them.

I should never want to say "Awww! ♡♡♡♡♡" when it comes to them, I want to fear them, not see them brush their teeth with mom.

SW's SilverHammer wrote:
The problem is the neither DJD, nor their acts have been portrayed as horror, just Ultra Violence. As much as they get off on murder, it's been established it's also a job for them. They are straight men for lack of a better term. Here's the thing though, people aren't just defined by their Id, or what they do, but the people around them. If you think about the people around them, Nickle has already had worlds more of implied development than the DJD. Why? Think about this; the DJD's acts have been portrayed as "horrors" when they're really ultra-violence, and the reason they do what they do, and how they go about it hasn't really been expended upon beside, "be appalled at the level brutal violence they partake in!". Nickle hasn't done anything being supportive to the DJD, which is more horrific pshycologically, the person who kills "cuz" or the person who supports them, cares for them, and helps them be better killers?

SW's SilverHammer wrote:

ctrlFrequency wrote:


The problem is the neither DJD, nor their acts have been portrayed as horror, just Ultra Violence. As much as they get off on murder, it's been established it's also a job for them. They are straight men for lack of a better term. Here's the thing though, people aren't just defined by their Id, or what they do, but the people around them. If you think about the people around them, Nickle has already had worlds more of implied development than the DJD. Why? Think about this; the DJD's acts have been portrayed as "horrors" when they're really ultra-violence, and the reason they do what they do, and how they go about it hasn't really been expended upon beside, "be appalled at the level brutal violence they partake in!". Nickle hasn't done anything being supportive to the DJD, which is more horrific pshycologically, the person who kills "cuz" or the person who supports them, cares for them, and helps them be better killers?

legundir wrote: Nickel may be "more horrific psychologically" on one level, but this portrayal is too cute and declawing to really work from that angle.

SW's SilverHammer wrote:

ctrlFrequency wrote:I guess I'll have to be the one voice of dissent here. I can't even express my disappointment on this.

I don't want the DJD humanized, I especially don't want them having a mom. For many reasons, especially a feminist point of view, but I won't go there. Too hot of a topic.

The big thing is, why do we have to turn the Decepticons into pussy cats?

I do feel that it is important to make the Decepticons less 1 dimensional... bad because they're the bad guys. I like my bad guys to have a reason for it beyond "Because I am bad."

Depth, personality, reason, yes. Cutesy... it spoils the appeal of the DJD (I probably wouldn't even think twice about it if it was any other Decepticons). The DJD are monsters, why can't they remain that way? Why does everything scary (some of us like things scary) have to become Tumblr girl squee-fest material?

I wanted more depth to the DJD,but I was thinking more... I dunno, reason they were chosen, what personality/life event quirk brought them to where they are now. Not cookies, goodnight kisses, and motherly scolding.

I think the problem is after their first appearance, and the alternate probability of them shown in the slaughter-hause; there's no way to develop them further without making them look more like wrestling heels, without changing the tone. Based on their few issues alone, one would think they've been booked to be the most OP transformers ever; to the point of why isn't the next issue, "DJD goes on rampage, Kills everyone everywhere". If they did something that was just this is how american psycho #1 got his/her job, it would get boring, especially considering the DJD haven't been shown before this point to have anymore character than "I love blood and violence! I've got a boner for murder!".

legundir wrote:

SW's SilverHammer wrote:
The problem is the neither DJD, nor their acts have been portrayed as horror, just Ultra Violence. As much as they get off on murder, it's been established it's also a job for them. They are straight men for lack of a better term. Here's the thing though, people aren't just defined by their Id, or what they do, but the people around them. If you think about the people around them, Nickle has already had worlds more of implied development than the DJD. Why? Think about this; the DJD's acts have been portrayed as "horrors" when they're really ultra-violence, and the reason they do what they do, and how they go about it hasn't really been expended upon beside, "be appalled at the level brutal violence they partake in!". Nickle hasn't done anything being supportive to the DJD, which is more horrific pshycologically, the person who kills "cuz" or the person who supports them, cares for them, and helps them be better killers?

Nickel may be "more horrific psychologically" on one level, but this portrayal is too cute and declawing to really work from that angle.

legundir wrote:
Nickel may be "more horrific psychologically" on one level, but this portrayal is too cute and declawing to really work from that angle.

ctrlFrequency wrote:

SW's SilverHammer wrote:

ctrlFrequency wrote:


The problem is the neither DJD, nor their acts have been portrayed as horror, just Ultra Violence. As much as they get off on murder, it's been established it's also a job for them. They are straight men for lack of a better term. Here's the thing though, people aren't just defined by their Id, or what they do, but the people around them. If you think about the people around them, Nickle has already had worlds more of implied development than the DJD. Why? Think about this; the DJD's acts have been portrayed as "horrors" when they're really ultra-violence, and the reason they do what they do, and how they go about it hasn't really been expended upon beside, "be appalled at the level brutal violence they partake in!". Nickle hasn't done anything being supportive to the DJD, which is more horrific pshycologically, the person who kills "cuz" or the person who supports them, cares for them, and helps them be better killers?

I disagree on the horror element, I think it hasn't been developed and now it's looking grim.

But the foundations were set with characters outside the DJD describing them. They are, for lack of a better term, things that go bump in the night to the characters in the story. And from their the characters have embellished and heightened and created the horror. Right now it may be all in the minds of the fictional characters, but they are afraid of the DJD and not just because they killed a bunch of guys.

The biggest problem with this is instead of given them any sort back up to their reputation, Roberts went with a frankly over used plot device of cute-ing them. Oh look at the big bad DJD and their mom (again, as a woman, a feminist, and a mother, I hate this)! I can already hear hundreds of Tumblr and Deviant Art fan girls scribbling away at their art pads making (even more) DJD chibis with little hearts above their heads and hugging each other.

But beyond my obvious disdain for making everything cute, I think we're missing out on a real story here. Cute is superficial. I don't care how you spin it, it is the easiest, laziest way to develop story and call it dichotomy/depth. Instead we aren't delving into the depths that made monsters, we're.. well.. you know.

legundir wrote: Nickel may be "more horrific psychologically" on one level, but this portrayal is too cute and declawing to really work from that angle.

Exactly.

Said in less words than I did (too many words is my downfall)

ctrlFrequency wrote:
The biggest problem with this is instead of given them any sort back up to their reputation, Roberts went with a frankly over used plot device of cute-ing them. Oh look at the big bad DJD and their mom (again, as a woman, a feminist, and a mother, I hate this)! I can already hear hundreds of Tumblr and Deviant Art fan girls scribbling away at their art pads making (even more) DJD chibis with little hearts above their heads and hugging each other.

But beyond my obvious disdain for making everything cute, I think we're missing out on a real story here. Cute is superficial. I don't care how you spin it, it is the easiest, laziest way to develop story and call it dichotomy/depth. Instead we aren't delving into the depths that made monsters, we're.. well.. you know.

Optimizzy wrote:
Dang. When you're right you're right. And you're right. Especially about the chibis.