First Images for Transformers Robots in Disguise One Step Night Ops Bumblebee and Ninja Sideswipe

carytheone wrote:Ninja Sideswipe sure looks like one wild rider.

william-james88 wrote:

Siger wrote:Don't want them even with the price drop. I guess Hasbro's strategy to grab little kids and neglect the adult collectors backfired on them.

You call the Masterpiece line and Combiner Wars neglect?

william-james88 wrote:We had provided an article listing every Robots in Disguise figure that was yet to be announced and it seems we are now slowly getting the first images of these foretold products.

The first images, provided by listings from Redmercury, to come out for these new figures are those of Transformers Robots in Disguise One Step Night Ops Bumblebee and Ninja Sideswipe. These two are redecos of the previously released One Step Bumblebee and Sideswipe figures. I included an image of the foretold deco of the later for comparison.

Siger wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Siger wrote:Don't want them even with the price drop. I guess Hasbro's strategy to grab little kids and neglect the adult collectors backfired on them.

You call the Masterpiece line and Combiner Wars neglect?

No, I'm talking about their sales expectation and realization. I don't think they neglected adult collectors on the whole. Just that several major product lines probably failed their sales forecast.

BlueBefore wrote:

Siger wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Siger wrote:Don't want them even with the price drop. I guess Hasbro's strategy to grab little kids and neglect the adult collectors backfired on them.

You call the Masterpiece line and Combiner Wars neglect?

No, I'm talking about their sales expectation and realization. I don't think they neglected adult collectors on the whole. Just that several major product lines probably failed their sales forecast.

I'm pretty glad that kiddie line Combiner Wars is among them.
http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/generations-combiner-wars-wave-1-price-drop-at-walmart/32913/

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

BlueBefore wrote:

Siger wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Siger wrote:Don't want them even with the price drop. I guess Hasbro's strategy to grab little kids and neglect the adult collectors backfired on them.

You call the Masterpiece line and Combiner Wars neglect?

No, I'm talking about their sales expectation and realization. I don't think they neglected adult collectors on the whole. Just that several major product lines probably failed their sales forecast.

I'm pretty glad that kiddie line Combiner Wars is among them.
http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/generations-combiner-wars-wave-1-price-drop-at-walmart/32913/

... except that price drop is temporary, and doesn't mean anything in the long run anyway.

BlueBefore wrote:And what evidence do you have that the RiD one isn't any more permanent? What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

william-james88 wrote:

BlueBefore wrote:And what evidence do you have that the RiD one isn't any more permanent? What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

The RID isnt permanent. The user who called it in said it was only on until May 30 when he went back to recheck the in store markers.

william-james88 wrote:

BlueBefore wrote:And what evidence do you have that the RiD one isn't any more permanent? What can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

The RID isnt permanent. The user who called it in said it was only on until May 30 when he went back to recheck the in store markers.

BlueBefore wrote:Why do you guys even share this stuff if you are just going to repeat yourself ad infinitum?

That Bot wrote:

BlueBefore wrote:Why do you guys even share this stuff if you are just going to repeat yourself ad infinitum?

Who is repeating what? Are you maybe confused with seeing the front page news posts appear as regular forum posts in the thread?

BlueBefore wrote:

That Bot wrote:

BlueBefore wrote:Why do you guys even share this stuff if you are just going to repeat yourself ad infinitum?

Who is repeating what? Are you maybe confused with seeing the front page news posts appear as regular forum posts in the thread?

No, that's not it. Everyone is repeating everyone else. It's a huge waste of resources which could be solved by not sharing this stuff at all.

Va'al wrote:

BlueBefore wrote:

That Bot wrote:

BlueBefore wrote:Why do you guys even share this stuff if you are just going to repeat yourself ad infinitum?

Who is repeating what? Are you maybe confused with seeing the front page news posts appear as regular forum posts in the thread?

No, that's not it. Everyone is repeating everyone else. It's a huge waste of resources which could be solved by not sharing this stuff at all.

Could you please clarify what you mean exactly? Is it about the news reporting, or something else?

BlueBefore wrote:

Va'al wrote:

BlueBefore wrote:

That Bot wrote:

BlueBefore wrote:Why do you guys even share this stuff if you are just going to repeat yourself ad infinitum?

Who is repeating what? Are you maybe confused with seeing the front page news posts appear as regular forum posts in the thread?

No, that's not it. Everyone is repeating everyone else. It's a huge waste of resources which could be solved by not sharing this stuff at all.

Could you please clarify what you mean exactly? Is it about the news reporting, or something else?

I mean repeating "hurr hurr shampoo bottles" over and over again is a waste.

william-james88 wrote:I am baffled by these. Isn't this cannibalising the hyperchange line? It's even the very same characters. Also, the hyperchange ones looks way better in m opinion, these have really wonky proportions. And check out Optimus' arms!

Sabrblade wrote:So if the Titan Heroes are the equivalent of Action Masters, then these Titan Changers must be the equivalent of Action Master Elites.

william-james88 wrote:I am baffled by these. Isn't this cannibalising the hyperchange line? It's even the very same characters. Also, the hyperchange ones looks way better in m opinion, these have really wonky proportions. And check out Optimus' arms!

chuckdawg1999 wrote:

william-james88 wrote:I am baffled by these. Isn't this cannibalising the hyperchange line? It's even the very same characters. Also, the hyperchange ones looks way better in m opinion, these have really wonky proportions. And check out Optimus' arms!

Dude it's weird but vinyl figures are really in right now. The Titan figures do well so I can see this as Hasbro trying to take that concept but make it closer to their core concept.

Sabrblade wrote:So if the Titan Heroes are the equivalent of Action Masters, then these Titan Changers must be the equivalent of Action Master Elites.

carytheone wrote:

chuckdawg1999 wrote:

william-james88 wrote:I am baffled by these. Isn't this cannibalising the hyperchange line? It's even the very same characters. Also, the hyperchange ones looks way better in m opinion, these have really wonky proportions. And check out Optimus' arms!

Dude it's weird but vinyl figures are really in right now. The Titan figures do well so I can see this as Hasbro trying to take that concept but make it closer to their core concept.

Are you talking about the blind boxed stuff, like the Loyal Subjects, or am I just out of the loop?

Nemesis Primal wrote:The lack of alt-mode pictures for the Titan Changers seems like it might not be a good sign.

The huge Super 3-step Bumblebee was at a number of Toyfairs earlier this year, while the transforming Titans were shown at the Australian Toyfair.

Now they are out in Hong Kong, here are some photos for people to know what they will be missing... as I don't think there will be many of us older collectors getting these.

The "transforming Titans" originally had me thinking of the Elite Actionmasters (a simple conversion of a non-converting line), but these are better than those... but not by much.
They don't actually have "Titan" on the packaging anywhere... but it was what they were labelled as at Toyfair... so maybe it is on the master cartons.

All three could do with more paint apps too, as there is a whole lotta yellow on plain colors on these, and not much sculpting/texture to the panels to make it look more interesting.

As a size comparison to a number of other toys that I got on my first day in HK...

william-james88 wrote:It's funny, the instructions for both say 4 steps, but Bumblebee clearly only has 2. The first is putting him on the ground and the 4th is doing NOTHING.

primalxconvoy wrote:In the above, the adverbial, "waste of (time)", is used to suggest that an undefined amount of a resource ("time") is being wasted. It does not suggest that "time" is limited.

primalxconvoy wrote:Technically, they are correct in the use of "waste of". You are referring to the use of "wasting". Although most native speakers may use both interchangeably, both forms have different functions.

e.g.

1/ This was a waste of time.

In the above, the adverbial, "waste of (time)", is used to suggest that an undefined amount of a resource ("time") is being wasted. It does not suggest that "time" is limited.

2/ This is a waste of a limited resource.

This use of the complement, "limited resource", is more coherent, as it clearly states that (something) is limited.

Obviously, there is a difference in inferrence here, but the original writer may not have implied that plastic was limited, but merely that the toys were a waste of said plastic, regardless of the amount available.