Box Art - Takara Transformers Unite Warriors All Sets So Far, including Grand Galvatron

Hmm...

Seems like Takara is trying to keep the numbers balanced for both sides, and we have 3 Autobot and 3 Decepticon combiners (Even though Devastator is much larger than any of the others). All of the Odd-numbered Unite Warrior Sets have been Autobots, and the Even-numbered have been Decepticons. But with Bruticus next on the horizon, is Takara going to wedge in another Autobot Combiner to be UW-07 while Bruticus is UW-08?

Maybe UW-07 will be some repaint of Victorion? Or something with the Sky Reign molds?

As fantastic as those Unite Warriors boxes look, I'm more excited by the ones not (yet) pictured. I'll be happy if we at LEAST get UW Bruticus next year, but if we get a UW Computron as well, I'll be over the moon.

Gearslide wrote:Hmm...

Seems like Takara is trying to keep the numbers balanced for both sides, and we have 3 Autobot and 3 Decepticon combiners (Even though Devastator is much larger than any of the others). All of the Odd-numbered Unite Warrior Sets have been Autobots, and the Even-numbered have been Decepticons. But with Bruticus next on the horizon, is Takara going to wedge in another Autobot Combiner to be UW-07 while Bruticus is UW-08?

Maybe UW-07 will be some repaint of Victorion? Or something with the Sky Reign molds?

i'm thinking they'll do Computron to "counter" Bruticus. and then Sky Lynx'll probly get tossed into Legends or Adventure.

or.......
Takara does make Sky Reign, and his "counterpart" is Liokaiser

SG Roadbuster wrote:

Gearslide wrote:Hmm...

Seems like Takara is trying to keep the numbers balanced for both sides, and we have 3 Autobot and 3 Decepticon combiners (Even though Devastator is much larger than any of the others). All of the Odd-numbered Unite Warrior Sets have been Autobots, and the Even-numbered have been Decepticons. But with Bruticus next on the horizon, is Takara going to wedge in another Autobot Combiner to be UW-07 while Bruticus is UW-08?

Maybe UW-07 will be some repaint of Victorion? Or something with the Sky Reign molds?

i'm thinking they'll do Computron to "counter" Bruticus. and then Sky Lynx'll probly get tossed into Legends or Adventure.

or.......
Takara does make Sky Reign, and his "counterpart" is Liokaiser

Hmm, maybe, but I think making 2/3 of two combiners by themselves is at lot to ask. They're also going to want to move on to Titans Return to get some smaller toys on their shelves with RiD/Adventure closing down (plus, the 30th for Headmasters is coming up).

On the other hand, if pre-tooled heads for the characters are floating around, the I think both TT and Hasbro will release them down the line.

Randomus wrote:
On the other hand, if pre-tooled heads for the characters are floating around, the I think both TT and Hasbro will release them down the line.

Yeah, or at least they could. Man I would just LOVe ot see all the extra heads they have. We already knew they had Starscream planned and we got a hint at Demolishor (which they confirmed they will not be using) so there must be more (that was also confirmed actually). I would realy like ot see all the stuff designed already just to get a taste at the possibility.

Such a thing of beauty... all those box sets . I'm guessing here:

UW07-Victorian (the larger size of this one will even out Devastator)
UW08-Bruticus
UW09-Sky Reign
UW10-(???) perhaps a new Decepticon combiner which makes use of the Grand Scourge Torso
UW11-Computron
UW12-Another new Decepticon Combiner made of various repaints?

Of course they could just release Computron and Bruticus as UW 07 & 08, and avoid the others. But the Convoy & Galvatron combiners show they are willing to use Torsos of new characters, even if they aren't original G1.

I think, even though the artist is AMAZING at making the artwork for the UW boxes, I think Menasor in that artwork looks TOO SIMILAR to the toy, and comes across looking like a walking junk heap.
I like artwork that looks like the toy, but not when the toy looks so ugly ESPECIALLY in that pose.

o.supreme wrote:Such a thing of beauty... all those box sets . I'm guessing here:

UW07-Victorian (the larger size of this one will even out Devastator)
UW08-Bruticus
UW09-Sky Reign
UW10-(???) perhaps a new Decepticon combiner which makes use of the Grand Scourge Torso
UW11-Computron
UW12-Another new Decepticon Combiner made of various repaints?

Of course they could just release Computron and Bruticus as UW 07 & 08, and avoid the others. But the Convoy & Galvatron combiners show they are willing to use Torsos of new characters, even if they aren't original G1.

Victorion is the same size as the other normal combiners, she just has unique foot and hand pieces. She is a retool of Hot Spot, Dead End, Breakdown,(Legends Class) Groove, and Alpha Bravo (twice).

o.supreme wrote:Such a thing of beauty... all those box sets . I'm guessing here:

UW07-Victorian (the larger size of this one will even out Devastator)
UW08-Bruticus
UW09-Sky Reign
UW10-(???) perhaps a new Decepticon combiner which makes use of the Grand Scourge Torso
UW11-Computron
UW12-Another new Decepticon Combiner made of various repaints?

Of course they could just release Computron and Bruticus as UW 07 & 08, and avoid the others. But the Convoy & Galvatron combiners show they are willing to use Torsos of new characters, even if they aren't original G1.

I like the thought of two new decepticon combiners and I can honestly see everything you mentioned happening, with the exception of grand scourge since he is unite warriors version of combiner wars cyclonus meaning he can use any limbs.

Pretty sure takara will use that skylynx torso for liokaiser

steals_your_goats wrote:

o.supreme wrote:Such a thing of beauty... all those box sets . I'm guessing here:

UW07-Victorian (the larger size of this one will even out Devastator)
UW08-Bruticus
UW09-Sky Reign
UW10-(???) perhaps a new Decepticon combiner which makes use of the Grand Scourge Torso
UW11-Computron
UW12-Another new Decepticon Combiner made of various repaints?

Of course they could just release Computron and Bruticus as UW 07 & 08, and avoid the others. But the Convoy & Galvatron combiners show they are willing to use Torsos of new characters, even if they aren't original G1.

I like the thought of two new decepticon combiners and I can honestly see everything you mentioned happening, with the exception of grand scourge since he is unite warriors version of combiner wars cyclonus meaning he can use any limbs.

I agreed on Grand Scourge. He's just a one off torso from eHobby. He'll get no mass retail release or team of limbs. If you want a team for him that matches his only fictional appearance (not counting the Energon/Superlink comic), then you can get an extra set of Stunticons.

william-james88 wrote:Pretty sure takara will use that skylynx torso for liokaiser

Do you think Takara will also do their own version of Sky Reign too, or do you think they'll just go "one and done" with a Liokaiser redeco/retool?

Box are is ok not enough for me buy any of them except for devastator some nice looking figures but nothin I will buy they can keep repaints and new remake of original figures they have of Optimus prime and menasor

dragons wrote:Box are is ok not enough for me buy any of them except for devastator some nice looking figures but nothin I will buy they can keep repaints and new remake of original figures they have of Optimus prime and menasor

Only UW combiner I am planning to get is Devastator.

Nuff said.

SillySpringer wrote:

dragons wrote:Box are is ok not enough for me buy any of them except for devastator some nice looking figures but nothin I will buy they can keep repaints and new remake of original figures they have of Optimus prime and menasor

Only UW combiner I am planning to get is Devastator.

Nuff said.

You've been saying that for six months. Time to walk the walk mate.

SillySpringer wrote:Only UW combiner I am planning to get is Devastator.

Nuff said.

So far, I've had all of the Hasbro Combiner Wars versions of the combiners along with Unite Warriors Superion and Menasor. A lot of people seem to be swearing off the Unite Warriors versions based on a perception blandness from a lack of extra paint apps due to being more "cartoon accurate." It's simply not true. CW and UW Superion are pretty equivocal with the only distinctions being color choices for some plastics (combiner hands/feet, Silverbolt, etc.) and the layout of the decos (UW is more cartoon accurate; CW more toy accurate). UW Menasor looks fantastic. While lacking some of the toy details that Hasbro included, like Dead End's stripe or the copious extra maroon on Dragstrip, the paint jobs are far from bland. Yes, Dragstrip is mostly yellow, like in the cartoon, but he is cast and painted in two different shades of yellow. When you have him in hand, you see it. It works very well. The details in robot mode for most of the Stunticons aren't lacking either, just sort of "remixed" to match that cartoon better. I know a LOT of people are especially bummed by Defensor, especially with the painted detail on torso mode Hot Spot being left bare in United Warriors, but the shade of blue he is cast in is so much better. Hasbro's Hot Spot looks anemic by comparison. Don't be fooled by the pictures online, these toys look great in hand in normal lighting conditions and without "Photoshop touch-ups". Even if certain details aren't painted, the molding on these figures is good enough that when viewed in person with normal light and shadowing, the details still effectively "pop". Think twice before swearing off the Unite Warriors versions and ask yourself if your armchair opinions aren't at least a little bit influenced by monetary concerns and/or cognitive dissonance.

I've been on the fence with this for the whole time, wanting to commit to one or the other. So basically there is no "win-win". With CW you get a toy that aesthetically looks better, with UW you get a toy of better quality. Would that be an accurate statement?

o.supreme wrote:I've been on the fence with this for the whole time, wanting to commit to one or the other. So basically there is no "win-win". With CW you get a toy that aesthetically looks better, with UW you get a toy of better quality. Would that be an accurate statement?

Unite warriors and combiner wars ( with Devy being an exception) are of the same quality, they just sport different decos.

o.supreme wrote:I've been on the fence with this for the whole time, wanting to commit to one or the other. So basically there is no "win-win". With CW you get a toy that aesthetically looks better, with UW you get a toy of better quality. Would that be an accurate statement?

Unite Warriors Devastator is the best version, hands down. Each robot is more articulated, and has his own classic G1 styled gun. Devastator himself has a modifiable head sculpt that can pull of either his individual eyes look or the visor look from the cartoon. The paint isn't lacking compared to the retail Hasbro release. Again, it's more of a "remix" for screen accuracy, especially in combined mode. If you like more "bling," you have the SDCC version, with all the same missing features of the regular Hasbro release but with a different head sculpt.

Superion I think is the most equivocal, as I said earlier. You can't really go wrong if you can get Hasbro's limited release "Quickslinger" release or spring for the Takara set.

The biggest draw of United Warriors Menasor is a correctly colored Motormaster. The Hasbro versions mostly gray color scheme is neither G1 screen nor G1 toy accurate. As a bonus, with Takara, you're guaranteed to get the version of the Motormaster mold with the fixed hip ratchets for the best stability for Menasor in combined mode.

Similarly, Unite Warriors Defensor is the only way (as of this time) to get a truly "Classic G1" team with Groove as a full-sized limb instead of an accessory with the Combiner Wars version.

o.supreme wrote:Such a thing of beauty... all those box sets . I'm guessing here:

UW07-Victorian (the larger size of this one will even out Devastator)
UW08-Bruticus
UW09-Sky Reign
UW10-(???) perhaps a new Decepticon combiner which makes use of the Grand Scourge Torso
UW11-Computron
UW12-Another new Decepticon Combiner made of various repaints?

Of course they could just release Computron and Bruticus as UW 07 & 08, and avoid the others. But the Convoy & Galvatron combiners show they are willing to use Torsos of new characters, even if they aren't original G1.

I doubt Victorion is #7; hasbro hasn't even released her, and there is usually a ~6 month interim between the cw release and uw release

Burn wrote:

SillySpringer wrote:

dragons wrote:Box are is ok not enough for me buy any of them except for devastator some nice looking figures but nothin I will buy they can keep repaints and new remake of original figures they have of Optimus prime and menasor

Only UW combiner I am planning to get is Devastator.

Nuff said.

You've been saying that for six months. Time to walk the walk mate.

Eventually. Maybe January or February. My point was that the only UW set I'm intrested in is Devastator, and that's because he's an IMPROVEMENT from CW Devastator, but the other UW sets are either just recolors or recolors with a new limb mold.

SillySpringer wrote:My point was that the only UW set I'm intrested in is Devastator,

And my point is, WE KNOW! You tell us ALL THE TIME!

Shut up and get him already. sheesh. I'll have had mine for a year before you get yours at the rate you're procrastinating.

Burn wrote:

SillySpringer wrote:My point was that the only UW set I'm intrested in is Devastator,

And my point is, WE KNOW! You tell us ALL THE TIME!

Shut up and get him already. sheesh. I'll have had mine for a year before you get yours at the rate you're procrastinating.

Ahh, ah but you see, you didn't quote my WHOLE post! tisk tisk!

I was trying to make a point.

Hellscream9999 wrote:

o.supreme wrote:Such a thing of beauty... all those box sets . I'm guessing here:

UW07-Victorian (the larger size of this one will even out Devastator)
UW08-Bruticus
UW09-Sky Reign
UW10-(???) perhaps a new Decepticon combiner which makes use of the Grand Scourge Torso
UW11-Computron
UW12-Another new Decepticon Combiner made of various repaints?

Of course they could just release Computron and Bruticus as UW 07 & 08, and avoid the others. But the Convoy & Galvatron combiners show they are willing to use Torsos of new characters, even if they aren't original G1.

I doubt Victorion is #7; hasbro hasn't even released her, and there is usually a ~6 month interim between the cw release and uw release

And there's no guarantee that TT will release Victorion in UW as is without using a fictional shoehorn. Also they're all female characters so they'll be... "adapted" to fit the culture more (they turned Windblade into a geisha-like maid!), plus the Groove mold would be omitted.

Given the timeline of teasers Bruticus will be next after Grand Galvatron, once they're ready to reveal new-mold Blast Off, or Sky Reign with the whole "odds are Cybertrons, evens are Destrons". After that, who knows?

SillySpringer wrote:

Burn wrote:

SillySpringer wrote:My point was that the only UW set I'm intrested in is Devastator,

And my point is, WE KNOW! You tell us ALL THE TIME!

Shut up and get him already. sheesh. I'll have had mine for a year before you get yours at the rate you're procrastinating.

Ahh, ah but you see, you didn't quote my WHOLE post! tisk tisk!

I was trying to make a point.

BURN's point is the same either way!!!

Nemesis Maximo wrote:

SillySpringer wrote:

Burn wrote:

SillySpringer wrote:My point was that the only UW set I'm intrested in is Devastator,

And my point is, WE KNOW! You tell us ALL THE TIME!

Shut up and get him already. sheesh. I'll have had mine for a year before you get yours at the rate you're procrastinating.

Ahh, ah but you see, you didn't quote my WHOLE post! tisk tisk!

I was trying to make a point.

BURN's point is the same either way!!!

My point was THE OTHER UNITE WARRIORS SETS OTHER THAN DEVASTATOR ARE NOT WORTH IT! (no hard feelings.)

SillySpringer wrote:

Nemesis Maximo wrote:

SillySpringer wrote:

Burn wrote:

SillySpringer wrote:My point was that the only UW set I'm intrested in is Devastator,

And my point is, WE KNOW! You tell us ALL THE TIME!

Shut up and get him already. sheesh. I'll have had mine for a year before you get yours at the rate you're procrastinating.

Ahh, ah but you see, you didn't quote my WHOLE post! tisk tisk!

I was trying to make a point.

BURN's point is the same either way!!!

My point was THE OTHER UNITE WARRIORS SETS OTHER THAN DEVASTATOR ARE NOT WORTH IT! (no hard feelings.)

But Burn's point was that you're saying that OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN. SHEESH.


On a better note, I finally have enough money to preorder Grand Galvatron, so yay for me!

SillySpringer wrote:

Nemesis Maximo wrote:

SillySpringer wrote:

Burn wrote:

SillySpringer wrote:My point was that the only UW set I'm intrested in is Devastator,

And my point is, WE KNOW! You tell us ALL THE TIME!

Shut up and get him already. sheesh. I'll have had mine for a year before you get yours at the rate you're procrastinating.

Ahh, ah but you see, you didn't quote my WHOLE post! tisk tisk!

I was trying to make a point.

BURN's point is the same either way!!!

My point was THE OTHER UNITE WARRIORS SETS OTHER THAN DEVASTATOR ARE NOT WORTH IT! (no hard feelings.)

I'm talking about you CONSTANTLY posting, since he was announced, that you'll be getting UW Devastator. SHUT UP AND BUY HIM ALREADY!

Wolfman Jake wrote:As fantastic as those Unite Warriors boxes look, I'm more excited by the ones not (yet) pictured. I'll be happy if we at LEAST get UW Bruticus next year, but if we get a UW Computron as well, I'll be over the moon.

I expect Bruticus more or less June 2016

fenrir72 wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:As fantastic as those Unite Warriors boxes look, I'm more excited by the ones not (yet) pictured. I'll be happy if we at LEAST get UW Bruticus next year, but if we get a UW Computron as well, I'll be over the moon.

I expect Bruticus more or less June 2016

It only makes sense. Superion was released at that time last year so being consistent with the schedule, it would come out at that very same time since Bruticus is appearing at us retail at the same time Superion was last year. Pretty much if the pattern for releases s the same, then UW Bruticus will be coming out in June.

Wolfman Jake wrote: The paint isn't lacking compared to the retail Hasbro release. Again, it's more of a "remix" for screen accuracy, especially in combined mode.

I would argue that there are better paint apps on Takara's since while the individual robot modes are remixed as you put it, Takara has added more paint in the other modes. Firstly, it has a whole bunch more paint on Mixmaster's alt mode, making him face any direction and giving him that G1 edge for root mode, Bonecrisher has paint on his tracks (making up for the lack of silver on his robot mode), all the rims are painted a beautiful silver which makes a HUGE difference (you these are construction vehicles so the rims are pretty big), the missile pods have the individual missiles painted red, and the arms have silver on them. Add that to the purple hands and there is a way better mix of colours found on Takara's combined Devastator than Hasbro's. Also, it doesnt have Hasbro's stupid mistake of having the decepticon symbol upside down on the knee. And of course, this is just discussing the deco as an aside from all the bonuses. Also, speaking of deco, the green is better. It is more green than Hasbro's more yellowish tint.

o.supreme wrote:I've been on the fence with this for the whole time, wanting to commit to one or the other. So basically there is no "win-win". With CW you get a toy that aesthetically looks better, with UW you get a toy of better quality. Would that be an accurate statement?

No way, Takara has Hasbro beaten pretty hard on all the UW releases I have. I have Devastator, which I described in depth above. But if you are curious here is the rundown on why UW Superion is faaaaaaaar superior than Hasbro's in deco (the plastic quality is the same, so the deco and members is the real big difference here).

While the deco is better, (just look at Silverbolt's shoulders for instance) the big part of the deco that gets me giddy is the superion chest. Let me explain.

The character model has Silverbolt's chest transform into Superion's chest and they are very different color wise. Silverbolt's chest in the G1 cartoon is red but seperated by white while Superion is red all across (except for a small patch).

Due to the engineering of back then, the G1 toy could not do that so the chest was a full red for both Superion and Silverbolt since it didnt really transform.

However, the new updated Combiner Wars toys have the engineering so that whatever chest Silverbolt has, Superion doesnt necessarily have to share it. And indeed, the transformation into a torso is quite involved and the same chest peices are not reused. And yet, Hasbro's lazy paint job doesnt showcase that at all since you still end up with a full red chest for both Silverbolt and Superion.

However, Takara does make the most of this great tnrasformation by showcasing how the torso has morphed and is far from just being Silverbolt's chest. And for once, the color change on the chest is very visible. This may look small, but it is a big deal for me since it highlights the evolution in engineering of these wonderful toys.



Now add to that the fact that Takara adds paint to extend the wingspan of the wings for the jets. Check out how beautiful they come out compared to Hasbro's.

Look at the wing on Takara below:



Now look where the pain on the wing ends with Hasbro's


Transformers Generations Combiner Wars Firefly Gallery

You see what I am talking about o.supreme? It is all WIN if you stick with UW. At least for Devastator and Superion.

Wolfman Jake wrote:
Do you think Takara will also do their own version of Sky Reign too, or do you think they'll just go "one and done" with a Liokaiser redeco/retool?

Yeah I think it will be one and done. Wouldnt be the first time. Rook, Alpha Bravo, Off Road and possibly jet slingshot will never be released there either.

I am pretty sure they will use some of those new Victorion heads for their individual members too (probably for some of Liokaiser's components) though I dont think they will outright release victorion.

william-james88 wrote:

o.supreme wrote:I've been on the fence with this for the whole time, wanting to commit to one or the other. So basically there is no "win-win". With CW you get a toy that aesthetically looks better, with UW you get a toy of better quality. Would that be an accurate statement?

No way, Takara has Hasbro beaten pretty hard on all the UW releases I have. I have Devastator, which I described in depth above. But if you are curious here is the rundown on why UW Superion is faaaaaaaar superior than Hasbro's in deco (the plastic quality is the same, so the deco and members is the real big difference here).

While the deco is better, (just look at Silverbolt's shoulders for instance) the big part of the deco that gets me giddy is the superion chest. Let me explain.

The character model has Silverbolt's chest transform into Superion's chest and they are very different color wise. Silverbolt's chest in the G1 cartoon is red but seperated by white while Superion is red all across (except for a small patch).

Due to the engineering of back then, the G1 toy could not do that so the chest was a full red for both Superion and Silverbolt since it didnt really transform.

However, the new updated Combiner Wars toys have the engineering so that whatever chest Silverbolt has, Superion doesnt necessarily have to share it. And indeed, the transformation into a torso is quite involved and the same chest peices are not reused. And yet, Hasbro's lazy paint job doesnt showcase that at all since you still end up with a full red chest for both Silverbolt and Superion.

However, Takara does make the most of this great tnrasformation by showcasing how the torso has morphed and is far from just being Silverbolt's chest. And for once, the color change on the chest is very visible. This may look small, but it is a big deal for me since it highlights the evolution in engineering of these wonderful toys.

The only reason I like cw Superion is that TT's has too much 'samey' bright white, I actually really like cw silverbolt's cream color.

(also why should I care about painted wingspan when said wings remain folded in perpetual combined mode)

Wolfman Jake mentioned something about the actual reality colors of defensors. I say yes yes and YES. Right onna money!

Omission of details on his thighs notwithstanding but the color of the plastics used is glossy type that makes the details stand out (kind of a gain and lose as well but to replace the silver apps on Defensor's neck, TT had to cost cut somewhere ) which can't be dicerned using them high end pixel digicams. You must see it to believe it.

Also, in echoing Silly Springer, aside from the already a given Bruticus coming six or seven months from now, I'd probably be getting Galvatronus. The Optimus Maximus (especially Optimus' head really a turn off (heck, I'll be displaying him in Combiner mode anyway) but the Tommy Kennedy style PM Optimus head is just too freaky for my taste)mold just doesn't light my fire.Especially with the stability issues (UW-02 of mine is either slouching forward or backward).

william-james88 wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:
Do you think Takara will also do their own version of Sky Reign too, or do you think they'll just go "one and done" with a Liokaiser redeco/retool?

Yeah I think it will be one and done. Wouldnt be the first time. Rook, Alpha Bravo, Off Road and possibly jet slingshot will never be released there either.

I am pretty sure they will use some of those new Victorion heads for their individual members too (probably for some of Liokaiser's components) though I dont think they will outright release victorion.

Did you mean jet Blast Off?

For a possible Liokaiser, I can both see some very wonderful and obvious ways it would work well, especially if Takara does bless us with a proper Technobots team, but I also see some pretty significant hurdles, such as Leozack's robot mode or how to integrate Jallguar effectively. Leozack will look really odd as a non-humanoid robot. The amount of retooling to get him right would leave very little of value in the Sky Lynx mold as is, especially since the space shuttle is already a huge compromise over a proper fighter jet. Jallguar could easily be the "sixth man" a la the Combiner Wars teams, acting as a gun or armor piece, but he might require a brand new mold that can interact with the Sky Reign chest convincingly. Now we're talking two brand new molds from Takara to make this work. Takara might be willing to do that, but they've already done quite a lot making their own deluxe scale Groove and (presumably) a proper space shuttle Blast Off.

I am Devastator!
I've been waiting 6 months to pull off this pic.

kurthy wrote:I am Devastator!
I've been waiting 6 months to pull off this pic.

Hahaha NICE!

honestly for me personally, and i mean for me, so dont get bent outta shape ppl that love cw.
the box art is better then the actually figures. Though devy was decent.

Mr_Autobot411 wrote:honestly for me personally, and i mean for me, so dont get bent outta shape ppl that love cw.
the box art is better then the actually figures. Though devy was decent.

That's because TT uses more paint in those portraits than hasbro uses on the figures

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Mr_Autobot411 wrote:honestly for me personally, and i mean for me, so dont get bent outta shape ppl that love cw.
the box art is better then the actually figures. Though devy was decent.

That's because TT uses more paint in those portraits than hasbro uses on the figures

not for me is that the reason, the could have all the paint apps they want, the figures are lackluster to me and very cheaply done. this line has nothing on the generations line or classics line. if we had that quality of a figure in the cw id feel it was worth the money to drop on takara or hasbros version. For me personally i dont see the value. My devy is decent, but mensor and the rest well ya...........

Mr_Autobot411 wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Mr_Autobot411 wrote:honestly for me personally, and i mean for me, so dont get bent outta shape ppl that love cw.
the box art is better then the actually figures. Though devy was decent.

That's because TT uses more paint in those portraits than hasbro uses on the figures

not for me is that the reason, the could have all the paint apps they want, the figures are lackluster to me and very cheaply done. this line has nothing on the generations line or classics line. if we had that quality of a figure in the cw id feel it was worth the money to drop on takara or hasbros version. For me personally i dont see the value. My devy is decent, but mensor and the rest well ya...........

Well it's far from fair to compare menasor to any other combiner in the line, he's easily the weakest of the line - and the exception to boot.

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Mr_Autobot411 wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Mr_Autobot411 wrote:honestly for me personally, and i mean for me, so dont get bent outta shape ppl that love cw.
the box art is better then the actually figures. Though devy was decent.

That's because TT uses more paint in those portraits than hasbro uses on the figures

not for me is that the reason, the could have all the paint apps they want, the figures are lackluster to me and very cheaply done. this line has nothing on the generations line or classics line. if we had that quality of a figure in the cw id feel it was worth the money to drop on takara or hasbros version. For me personally i dont see the value. My devy is decent, but mensor and the rest well ya...........

Well it's far from fair to compare menasor to any other combiner in the line, he's easily the weakest of the line - and the exception to boot.

well thats my imo, and honestly u really think that the indivdual bot modes are are soild and well done as generations or the classic line?

mensor is the weakest, defensor is pretty terrible too, he does look better then mensor, but thats like comparing 2 turds and having to pick which one u like most.

the whole line suffers for cheaper plastic and inflated prices for what u are getting.

But thats my IMO and as a consumer and collector for 15 yrs, i can see crap and call it for what it is, esp when u have seen and collected the products before hand. i respect u like the line, and im not dogging u or anyone that does, i just feel im not getting my moneys worth, other then devy in the line.

to each their own!

merry christmas and happy new year to all

Mr_Autobot411 wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Mr_Autobot411 wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Mr_Autobot411 wrote:honestly for me personally, and i mean for me, so dont get bent outta shape ppl that love cw.
the box art is better then the actually figures. Though devy was decent.

That's because TT uses more paint in those portraits than hasbro uses on the figures

not for me is that the reason, the could have all the paint apps they want, the figures are lackluster to me and very cheaply done. this line has nothing on the generations line or classics line. if we had that quality of a figure in the cw id feel it was worth the money to drop on takara or hasbros version. For me personally i dont see the value. My devy is decent, but mensor and the rest well ya...........

Well it's far from fair to compare menasor to any other combiner in the line, he's easily the weakest of the line - and the exception to boot.

well thats my imo, and honestly u really think that the indivdual bot modes are are soild and well done as generations or the classic line?

mensor is the weakest, defensor is pretty terrible too, he does look better then mensor, but thats like comparing 2 turds and having to pick which one u like most.

the whole line suffers for cheaper plastic and inflated prices for what u are getting.

But thats my IMO and as a consumer and collector for 15 yrs, i can see crap and call it for what it is, esp when u have seen and collected the products before hand. i respect u like the line, and im not dogging u or anyone that does, i just feel im not getting my moneys worth, other then devy in the line.

to each their own!

merry christmas and happy new year to all

Certainly, but I haven't - and won't pay full price for them; the plastic doesn't feel the greatest, but many of them are solidly built (rook, dragstrip, prowl, breakdown, and all of the torso figures jump to mind for satisfactory figures) honestly thrilling 30 megs feels worse to me - and has thinner plastic than any of the cw figs, but I don't see anyone complaining about him;

But seriously, if you think hasbro's dev's is a good deal at full price, my respect for any of this goes straight out the window, as he is more hollow, uses thinner plastic of noticeably lower quality, and has most of his standard features stripped to get hasbro more money.

Hellscream9999 wrote:But seriously, if you think hasbro's dev's is a good deal at full price, my respect for any of this goes straight out the window, as he is more hollow, uses thinner plastic of noticeably lower quality, and has most of his standard features stripped to get hasbro more money.

I like him. Don't give a hoot what anyone else thinks.

Call me crazy (and this is a generalisation post, not aimed at anyone in particular) but I get the vibe from those who are pro-TT Devastator that they look down on those of us who are happy with Hasbros Devastator.

meh, whatever, my collection, like I said, don't give a hoot.

Burn wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:But seriously, if you think hasbro's dev's is a good deal at full price, my respect for any of this goes straight out the window, as he is more hollow, uses thinner plastic of noticeably lower quality, and has most of his standard features stripped to get hasbro more money.

I like him. Don't give a hoot what anyone else thinks.

Call me crazy (and this is a generalisation post, not aimed at anyone in particular) but I get the vibe from those who are pro-TT Devastator that they look down on those of us who are happy with Hasbros Devastator.

meh, whatever, my collection, like I said, don't give a hoot.

That's out of context

It's not that, I actually respect that those who want a good devs and little else, can get the hasbro version, I won't condone paying full price, if you do, that's you; my problem lies with calling out the cw scramble figs as cheap trash (I immediately get flashbacks to cw magnus, my standard for ko quality figs) when devs exemplifies everything that is being condemned... I've seen stress marks develop on the shoulders of the individual figs in the course of reviews...

I'm just trying to understand his arguement, but there isn't one; some of the aerialbots' plastic isn't the best, but I've heard - and experienced - nothing but great things with the scramble city figs - and I have all of them but o/p. So it's a little hard to swallow this crap when it isn't substantiated by anything solid; none of them feel as flimsy as 30's megs, or as fragile as gen arcee.

I'm still not sure what there is to be so upset about these, other than the lackluster paint apps, or that the line could have been spread out and included non-combining deluxes/voyagers - but whatever

Mr_Autobot411 wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Mr_Autobot411 wrote:
well thats my imo, and honestly u really think that the indivdual bot modes are are soild and well done as generations or the classic line?

Classics no, but definitely better than the previous generations figures. You handled rattrap and scoop right? That plastic was abysmal. Those figures didnt feel right. Just look at the pieces that make up rattrap's hind legs for an example of that el cheapo feeling. What about bltizwing and double dealer? The failure twins! I find every figure in CW better than that mold. Then there is the undisputed cheapest plastic ever: the foc line, which was under generations. Thats where generations grimlock comes from and he is the most hallowed out toy we have ever gotten and also has that super cheap feeling.

So yeah CW is, to me, a return to form. The plastic feels sturdier and the toys are getting bsck to their older and bigger sizes for their class.

I chose TT Devulator over CW. Just personal preference.
Now that I have him in hand, I'm happy for anybody who can play with this awesome toy. In any version.
He's not a hollow mess, and he is a mountain of fun!

Hellscream9999 wrote:I'm just trying to understand his arguement, but there isn't one;

If there's isn't argument to understand, then why are you trying to?

Everyone has different experiences with figures. I have a Whirl that has to be left outside because he stinks so badly. I had to take a blade to UW Blades to transform him into robot mode because the tail fin was locked in place that hard if I'd used finger force I would have snapped it.

People vent about figures others don't have problems with, it happens. Everyone has a different opinion and experiences, you just have to learn to accept that, more so if you're going to be staff.

I certainly hope I've never come across as condescending to anyone chose CW Devs over UW Devs. And if I have, I apologize. I completely respect that BURN really only wants Devastator, and I myself was very tempted to get him and live with the less articulated bots in order to save almost $100. But I'm also really REALLY excited to actually have him in hand.

Estimated delivery is tomorrow, so I'm hopeful. Then again, it used to be yesterday, so who knows.

Look at it this way too, how often do I get to have a Hasbro figure before most in America?

Burn wrote:Look at it this way too, how often do I get to have a Hasbro figure before most in America?

Cheers to that!
Plus the day you made your trans-continental trip across the wastelands of the out back to get him, was a fun ride for us all.

Burn wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:I'm just trying to understand his arguement, but there isn't one;

If there's isn't argument to understand, then why are you trying to?

Everyone has different experiences with figures. I have a Whirl that has to be left outside because he stinks so badly. I had to take a blade to UW Blades to transform him into robot mode because the tail fin was locked in place that hard if I'd used finger force I would have snapped it.

People vent about figures others don't have problems with, it happens. Everyone has a different opinion and experiences, you just have to learn to accept that, more so if you're going to be staff.

Well, he talks about this as if he owns them, but it doesn't seem be the case. If this isn't the case, he should have specified, as waffling about things like this after only watching a review of the figure - or whatever is the case - is very ineffective.

I'm sorry to hear about your blades,my first hotspot came covered in rust, I think everyone knows what happened to my cw magnus (much like your whirl, another famous entry in the annals of qc failures), and my quickslinger came with his tail-point-thing - below his tailfin - bent at a 90 degree angle, so I had to snap it off - I knew there was no way I was gonna get a replacement.

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Mr_Autobot411 wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Mr_Autobot411 wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Mr_Autobot411 wrote:honestly for me personally, and i mean for me, so dont get bent outta shape ppl that love cw.
the box art is better then the actually figures. Though devy was decent.

That's because TT uses more paint in those portraits than hasbro uses on the figures

not for me is that the reason, the could have all the paint apps they want, the figures are lackluster to me and very cheaply done. this line has nothing on the generations line or classics line. if we had that quality of a figure in the cw id feel it was worth the money to drop on takara or hasbros version. For me personally i dont see the value. My devy is decent, but mensor and the rest well ya...........

Well it's far from fair to compare menasor to any other combiner in the line, he's easily the weakest of the line - and the exception to boot.

well thats my imo, and honestly u really think that the indivdual bot modes are are soild and well done as generations or the classic line?

mensor is the weakest, defensor is pretty terrible too, he does look better then mensor, but thats like comparing 2 turds and having to pick which one u like most.

the whole line suffers for cheaper plastic and inflated prices for what u are getting.

But thats my IMO and as a consumer and collector for 15 yrs, i can see crap and call it for what it is, esp when u have seen and collected the products before hand. i respect u like the line, and im not dogging u or anyone that does, i just feel im not getting my moneys worth, other then devy in the line.

to each their own!

merry christmas and happy new year to all

Certainly, but I haven't - and won't pay full price for them; the plastic doesn't feel the greatest, but many of them are solidly built (rook, dragstrip, prowl, breakdown, and all of the torso figures jump to mind for satisfactory figures) honestly thrilling 30 megs feels worse to me - and has thinner plastic than any of the cw figs, but I don't see anyone complaining about him;

But seriously, if you think hasbro's dev's is a good deal at full price, my respect for any of this goes straight out the window, as he is more hollow, uses thinner plastic of noticeably lower quality, and has most of his standard features stripped to get hasbro more money.

Need to clarify something......autobot411 doesn't see the worth of either line, CW or UW but of the entire release, only Devs is decent?

If I got it right, then I feel he has to move further back until just after GF as indeed I feel the plastic quality has been lowered.

Hollowed parts aren't a new phenomena/business decision except it's getting more and more conspicious. In an ideal world, TT/Hb would be using the plastics similar to the ones used by Bandai (who also uses hollow parts butthis is more due to functionality than cost cutting). Anyways, even in their SoC line, Bandai too goes into cost cutting (Daltanious for example lacks a certain component seen in the anime)mode too. But then again, different target customers /market/blah blah blah.......