Video Review of Transformers Studio Series 86 Deluxe Class Kup

So I'm probably going to get a million fans yelling at me but...Hotrod and Kup are basically the same size (in fiction, and most previous toys as well), why is Hotrod a Voyager?

o.supreme wrote:So I'm probably going to get a million fans yelling at me but...Hotrod and Kup are basically the same size (in fiction, and most previous toys as well), why is Hotrod a Voyager?

Because MONEY.

ZeroWolf wrote:

Kup is looking pretty good! Looks like those arm assemblies are a little tough to peg in securely to the sides of the torso in robot mode. I hope that's just an issue with these leaked "samples" and the actual production run will correct the issue. The paint apps look great, but Kup's missing some coloring on his abs, whether that be silver paint or light green. It depends on which character model you're looking at, like Kup's lower leg color. Speaking of the lower legs, with all that room inside, I would have liked to have seen the wheels better hidden instead of poking out of the shins. Though it's not accurate to the character model, that is where they go on the original toy, so it's not too much of a bother for me. I love that he comes with an energon goodie box, but the biggest surprise is that Kup is modular! That's a great touch that Hasbro and Takara certainly didn't have to include, but they did anyway, and it is awesome!

Is it just me, or are the colors off on him? It doesn't really look as movie accurate as the Hot Rob fig ended up being.

Also, does his lower arm and lower leg come off (intentionally, not accidentally) like on Quintessa? I can't be the only person wondering that...

-Kanrabat- wrote:

o.supreme wrote:So I'm probably going to get a million fans yelling at me but...Hotrod and Kup are basically the same size (in fiction, and most previous toys as well), why is Hotrod a Voyager?

Because MONEY.

More or less, its also a question of Deluxe class slots available, then of course they may look the same height but there could be a lot more parts going into Hot Rod then Kup which will also play into price. It could have been that Hotrods design took him to a place that was between the limits of Deluxe and the threshold of Voyager, so a few extra parts were made to push him over via plastic amount.

ZeroWolf wrote:Greetings Seibertronians! Thanks to tip offs from fellow Seibertron users, Praxiusprime77 and MadProject, we've learned that YouTube toy reviewer, TonTon Reviews has struck again! This time, he's got his mitts on Transformers Studio Series 86 Deluxe Class Kup!

Really? No one else?

Oh dear. At this rate, I'm all in on both Kingdom and Studio Series 86'.
My wallet shall not be spared.
On a side note, These designs do look fantastic!
I was previously concerned about Kup's white kibble that connects the arms to the chest, Nope,
Double checked, It was on the animation model after all.
That's good enough for me.
Can't wait.

He's a far cry from the accuracy they achieved with Hot Rod imo.

Doesn't really help that the original Kup has a generic look for better or worse outside of his head sculpt. (More modern versions of him improve this) it's just gonna make any strict attempts to recreate his look be a tad boring.

I'll probably get him since I'm a sucker for the movie guys. But that robot mode seems off. The way the arms attach seems off and that face ...

This is the first selects reveal I'm not feeling.

Gauntlet101010 wrote:I'll probably get him since I'm a sucker for the movie guys. But that robot mode seems off. The way the arms attach seems off and that face ...

This is the first selects reveal I'm not feeling.

Looked to me like he just did it wrong.

sol magnus wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:Greetings Seibertronians! Thanks to tip offs from fellow Seibertron users, Praxiusprime77 and MadProject, we've learned that YouTube toy reviewer, TonTon Reviews has struck again! This time, he's got his mitts on Transformers Studio Series 86 Deluxe Class Kup!

Really? No one else?

The article has been updated, and I apologise whole heartedly about that.

Too much greebling on the chest for me.

I never really noticed the roundness between his chest and arms.
Anyways, here are some comparisons to the previous version.

I prefer the new kup head sculpt

o.supreme wrote:So I'm probably going to get a million fans yelling at me but...Hotrod and Kup are basically the same size (in fiction, and most previous toys as well), why is Hotrod a Voyager?

Because height in relation to price point hasn't matterred for 2 years now.

ZeroWolf wrote:I prefer the new kup head sculpt

I preffer the new Kup alt mode. The previous one was ultra lazy with the arms.

william-james88 wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:I prefer the new kup head sculpt

I preffer the new Kup alt mode. The previous one was ultra lazy with the arms.

I prefer the new Kup, period.

The only thing that could make him better is the Targetmaster.

william-james88 wrote:

o.supreme wrote:So I'm probably going to get a million fans yelling at me but...Hotrod and Kup are basically the same size (in fiction, and most previous toys as well), why is Hotrod a Voyager?

Firstly, because Hotrod has a large combination of unique features that cause a higher price count, like the articulated hands and the alternate visor. and secondly, for the same reason that the leader class price point has packed Voyager figures for so long now: Accessories. Hot rod is simply a more complex deluxe size figure with a lot more accessories and weapons, similar to any leader class priced Voyager with extra weapons or a trailer. Nothing new here, just a feature being brought to the Voyager price point for the first time.

I will say this Kup is a very good representation of his cartoon shelf, and I'd expect to see similar ideas come into play for when they do the MP version. But I doubt I'll be picking him up because I'm not enough of a fan of his original design to pick up this version when I already have TR Kup

Yeah that Kup looks really good. I'll try and get him too. Keep these mini-masterpieces coming Hasbro.

AcademyofDrX wrote:"Everyone knows the only thing that matters is screen accuracy, and the best way to get screen accuracy is fake parts, how could anyone think otherwise."

No one said this... So as clever an intro you maybe thought this was... Pshhh

AcademyofDrX wrote:I don't think your problem is "understanding," it seems like you can't even conceptualize that someone might care about other things.

The fact that I said I don't see faux parts as a bad thing as many others do, actually very much addresses that I "conceptualize" people having different opinions from mine.
If my opinion on faux parts bothers you, oh well.
And if it's normal for you to assume things about people you don't even know... Good luck, buddy.

AcademyofDrX wrote:Personally, I don't consider robot mode appearance the most important factor. By that standard, RED would be the best.

The conversation was about faux parts... Because we were talking about transforming figures... So the RED line would never be the standard in this context since faux parts don't usually come into the mix for a figure with no alt mode.

AcademyofDrX wrote:There are a lot of compromises in this figure to get that appearance. For example, instead of having a rear bumper, his knees are just hanging out the back. I would rather have stubbier legs or miscolored parts or something to have it look like an actual car.

I hear you saying the robot appearance doesn't matter so much to you... Fine.
But to respond with posts that make it sound like it's weird, wrong, ridiculous, odd, etc,. for people to want figures to look as closely to the actual character as possible... THAT doesn't seem odd???
My point was if a faux part helps make both modes look better, then why/how is that a problem...
I never ever said "Sacrifice all alt mode design decisions to get a 'screen accurate' robot".

These characters are based on relatively specific appearances whether you care or not.
As I said before, now that it's very possible (and really has been for a while) to get detailed molds and accurate small details, a close likeness isn't an absurd want.
Clearly designers and people who have some vested interest decided that a Hot Rod with something like "stubbier legs" wasn't the compromise they were going to make-- seems the bot mode was in fact more important than the alt mode.
And maybe this is going out on a limb, but those types of decisions are probably based more on the confidence of what they feel people who will be spending money want and will be willing to pay for, rather than it solely being a design team's preference, or fitting a company's mission statement.
But maybe this is all my inability to conceptualize again.

I like this SS Kup, but not as much as Hot Rod...
It's definitely an improvement and has me even more excited about this line, but I want to see some other figures (including from Kingdom) before deciding.

So Kup walks into a bar..."why the long face?"

Sowndwave76 wrote:No one said this... So as clever an intro you maybe thought this was... Pshhh

The fact that I said I don't see faux parts as a bad thing as many others do, actually very much addresses that I "conceptualize" people having different opinions from mine.
If my opinion on faux parts bothers you, oh well.
And if it's normal for you to assume things about people you don't even know... Good luck, buddy.

The conversation was about faux parts... Because we were talking about transforming figures... So the RED line would never be the standard in this context since faux parts don't usually come into the mix for a figure with no alt mode.

I hear you saying the robot appearance doesn't matter so much to you... Fine.
But to respond with posts that make it sound like it's weird, wrong, ridiculous, odd, etc,. for people to want figures to look as closely to the actual character as possible... THAT doesn't seem odd???
My point was if a faux part helps make both modes look better, then why/how is that a problem...
I never ever said "Sacrifice all alt mode design decisions to get a 'screen accurate' robot".

These characters are based on relatively specific appearances whether you care or not.
As I said before, now that it's very possible (and really has been for a while) to get detailed molds and accurate small details, a close likeness isn't an absurd want.
Clearly designers and people who have some vested interest decided that a Hot Rod with something like "stubbier legs" wasn't the compromise they were going to make-- seems the bot mode was in fact more important than the alt mode.
And maybe this is going out on a limb, but those types of decisions are probably based more on the confidence of what they feel people who will be spending money want and will be willing to pay for, rather than it solely being a design team's preference, or fitting a company's mission statement.
But maybe this is all my inability to conceptualize again.

I like this SS Kup, but not as much as Hot Rod...
It's definitely an improvement and has me even more excited about this line, but I want to see some other figures (including from Kingdom) before deciding.

I was trying to be snarky but not actually rude, and based on your response I missed that mark, so I want to apologize. I don't want to make anyone's opinions seem wrong or less valid than my own. My criticism of "I can't understand this" is that preferring one aesthetic priority over another, like screen accuracy or alt-mode or poseability is just that: personal preference. One isn't right and the others wrong.

My point about liking this figure as a Studio Series figure was to accept that different lines are going to value different things. While there's nothing wrong with faux parts, I don't want it to become the norm. More generally, I think it would be a mistake for screen accuracy to override all other considerations across all lines.

AcademyofDrX wrote:

Sowndwave76 wrote:No one said this... So as clever an intro you maybe thought this was... Pshhh

The fact that I said I don't see faux parts as a bad thing as many others do, actually very much addresses that I "conceptualize" people having different opinions from mine.
If my opinion on faux parts bothers you, oh well.
And if it's normal for you to assume things about people you don't even know... Good luck, buddy.

The conversation was about faux parts... Because we were talking about transforming figures... So the RED line would never be the standard in this context since faux parts don't usually come into the mix for a figure with no alt mode.

I hear you saying the robot appearance doesn't matter so much to you... Fine.
But to respond with posts that make it sound like it's weird, wrong, ridiculous, odd, etc,. for people to want figures to look as closely to the actual character as possible... THAT doesn't seem odd???
My point was if a faux part helps make both modes look better, then why/how is that a problem...
I never ever said "Sacrifice all alt mode design decisions to get a 'screen accurate' robot".

These characters are based on relatively specific appearances whether you care or not.
As I said before, now that it's very possible (and really has been for a while) to get detailed molds and accurate small details, a close likeness isn't an absurd want.
Clearly designers and people who have some vested interest decided that a Hot Rod with something like "stubbier legs" wasn't the compromise they were going to make-- seems the bot mode was in fact more important than the alt mode.
And maybe this is going out on a limb, but those types of decisions are probably based more on the confidence of what they feel people who will be spending money want and will be willing to pay for, rather than it solely being a design team's preference, or fitting a company's mission statement.
But maybe this is all my inability to conceptualize again.

I like this SS Kup, but not as much as Hot Rod...
It's definitely an improvement and has me even more excited about this line, but I want to see some other figures (including from Kingdom) before deciding.

I was trying to be snarky but not actually rude, and based on your response I missed that mark, so I want to apologize. I don't want to make anyone's opinions seem wrong or less valid than my own. My criticism of "I can't understand this" is that preferring one aesthetic priority over another, like screen accuracy or alt-mode or poseability is just that: personal preference. One isn't right and the others wrong.

My point about liking this figure as a Studio Series figure was to accept that different lines are going to value different things. While there's nothing wrong with faux parts, I don't want it to become the norm. More generally, I think it would be a mistake for screen accuracy to override all other considerations across all lines.

Hey, I enjoy both you guys posts. Just sayin'.

I do think Kup's head is a bit on the long side. 3P can probably make some money with a replacement head. A miss by Hasbro, but not egregious. Earthrise Prowl having Bluestreak's head? That's egregious.

Soo, I like the playability of TR Kup. I used his stock gun in its jetpack form and gave him his Classics rifle and he looks really great... But this is definitely a better Kup. Just gonna be sad when I retire the previous one

I have most of TR, so my solution is that Kup for my season 4 shelf/bin, and this one for my movie/season 3 shelf/bin. Every Kup in his right place.

So pardon the stupid question, but I've been going through my Studio Series toys and... does anyone keep the backdrops? I have them, but I'm running out of room and seriously thinking of tossing them. They don't really add much except a pretty background... that many of them share.

Just looking for confirmation I'm not alone in tossing them before I do, I guess. Thanks.

Kup is pretty underwhelming, not gonna lie. Something is just off about him, he just looks kinda... frail. There's really no other way I can discribe it. Plus his shoulders are set weirdly low on his body. Maybe it's just me.

But I'm a seemingly rare Generations Kup fan, so I don't really care about this one anyway.

Tuned Agent wrote:Kup is pretty underwhelming, not gonna lie. Something is just off about him, he just looks kinda... frail. There's really no other way I can discribe it. Plus his shoulders are set weirdly low on his body. Maybe it's just me.

But I'm a seemingly rare Generations Kup fan, so I don't really care about this one anyway.

Its not just the shoulders, its the whole torso. The color is off and it makes it look...odd.

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:So pardon the stupid question, but I've been going through my Studio Series toys and... does anyone keep the backdrops? I have them, but I'm running out of room and seriously thinking of tossing them. They don't really add much except a pretty background... that many of them share.

Just looking for confirmation I'm not alone in tossing them before I do, I guess. Thanks.

I tossed mine out. Not using them so they are a waste of space

william-james88 wrote:

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:So pardon the stupid question, but I've been going through my Studio Series toys and... does anyone keep the backdrops? I have them, but I'm running out of room and seriously thinking of tossing them. They don't really add much except a pretty background... that many of them share.

Just looking for confirmation I'm not alone in tossing them before I do, I guess. Thanks.

I tossed mine out. Not using them so they are a waste of space

Thanks, William. Yeah, I'm gonna toss mine out too. They are a waste of space.

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:So pardon the stupid question, but I've been going through my Studio Series toys and... does anyone keep the backdrops? I have them, but I'm running out of room and seriously thinking of tossing them. They don't really add much except a pretty background... that many of them share.

Just looking for confirmation I'm not alone in tossing them before I do, I guess. Thanks.

I keep the boxes, so I keep the backdrops as well. I usually don’t have them out for display, but I do use them whenever I’m taking pictures of customs or whatever. It’s a much better backdrop than my wall! xD

I'd like to say I'm not buyng Kup but then they went and made his limbs removable

Would have preferred the front wheel arches to be fully painted and the side autobot symbols to pop more. Needs a chest sticker to cover up the unsightliness but I'm sure that will be done by toyhax.

Takara Legends still has some better design choices over it (head, solid underarms, targetmaster)

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

RK_Striker_JK_5 wrote:So pardon the stupid question, but I've been going through my Studio Series toys and... does anyone keep the backdrops? I have them, but I'm running out of room and seriously thinking of tossing them. They don't really add much except a pretty background... that many of them share.

Just looking for confirmation I'm not alone in tossing them before I do, I guess. Thanks.

I tossed mine out. Not using them so they are a waste of space

Thanks, William. Yeah, I'm gonna toss mine out too. They are a waste of space.

I've only kept a few that I thought were really good. The ones you mentioned that shared backgrounds like the constructicons, I kept just one of the Leader Class backgrounds. Some are great for pictures and displays but I honestly don't need 68(plus if continued) backdrops. That is a lot of space taken up.

Packaging of normal retail toys, to the recycling bin!

Also, I don't mind faux-parts at all. That is, as long that the real ones disappear from the bot mode. Prime was bad in that regard with all those fake and UNPAINTED wheels on so many bots. Plus Ratchet's chest that are made of the vehicle doors while they were right there on his legs.

So MP Optimus (all) SS Hotrod, and many more do it right.

Sorry I'm late to the party, just didn't care for these Kingdom rejects ending up in the line and don't care for another major thread overrun by G1.

I'll oblige thoughts: Scourge is iffy, Kup is shite, and Hot Rod looks decent and at least has a saw.

Looks like I am going to soon be passing on SS in general, which is a shame, the line put in 3 really solid years that I loved, even if I'm still waiting on my Blitzwing and Skipjack.

There's still listings for future live action movie figures such as Jolt so not to worry there will be more of that style at some point.

Honestly, the more I think about it, I really think the SS86 figures are a combination of 1) not being able to fit everything they want to do in Kingdom with the 86 movie cast needing to mostly be regular releases and available around when Haslab Unicron comes out, and 2) a stall tactic for SS in general to eat up some slots until the next movie is ready to go and figures from that movie can be released.

If they didn't pad the line with SS86 figures, then there could be a good chance of running out of figures that have not been made yet before the next movie drops. Heck with the current status of the film industry, that might still be a possibility even with SS86 eating up slots.

I know some will say there are plenty of figures still in need from the previous movies, and that isn't wrong, but all the heavy hitters have pretty much been done. From a marketing standpoint, I would assume that Hasbro would want at least 1 or 2 figures with some name recognition in each wave. I definitely want Jolt, Dino, Queue, Hatchet, Devcon, Onslaught, Hooligan and others, but none of them has as much name recognition as say Hot Rod, Kup or Scourge.

Hopefully this will be more of a temporary thing until there is another movie with figures to add to the line.

It's a movie. It's THE Movie. Those figures, characters and likenesses fit in for 'Studio.'

I hope we get a re-release of Siege Springer in the Studio Series, but without the battle damage paint applications and a few more touches to make him more screen accurate, like changing the blue-gray plastic to plain gray and painting the hands light green. I'd call for a redo of Earthrise Arcee for Studio Series as well. Some additional paint apps (especially on the face) could maybe save that mold, but she's already slated for a repackage in Kingdom, so my hopes are pretty low for that possibility.

Isn't Arcee getting a Netflix re-release as well? Imagine if the kingdom Arcee was just BA repainted

Let's not kid ourselves here people, had there been space in the other line, series 86 wouldn't have happened, all the movie guys would be together in the WfC Trilogy (would have been fitting really since it was Unicrons attack that really allowed the Autobots to take the planet back). That though isn't the world we live in. Though I can see a bright side to all this...no more need to redo these characters for a long while

In fact there's another offshoot studio series could do, they could go back to the live action movies development and do the character's that never made it, and of course, toy only characters like Wreckage and Stockade

TF-fan kev777 wrote:If they didn't pad the line with SS86 figures, then there could be a good chance of running out of figures that have not been made yet before the next movie drops. Heck with the current status of the film industry, that might still be a possibility even with SS86 eating up slots.

I know some will say there are plenty of figures still in need from the previous movies, and that isn't wrong, but all the heavy hitters have pretty much been done. From a marketing standpoint, I would assume that Hasbro would want at least 1 or 2 figures with some name recognition in each wave. I definitely want Jolt, Dino, Queue, Hatchet, Devcon, Onslaught, Hooligan and others, but none of them has as much name recognition as say Hot Rod, Kup or Scourge.

This is basically my view, and supports the theory that movie characters in WfC were imported from SS rather than the other way around. Until we get a Hasbro official speaking about it on record, we'll never know for sure.

It's also worth noting that Hasbro has been working on an animated Transformers feature, probably releasing in a different year than a live-action film, so this could be a way to prime the SS line for other animated toys in the future.

ZeroWolf wrote:Though I can see a bright side to all this...no more need to redo these characters for a long while

This is Hasbro. They will find a way to do it, and appease whiny Geewunners somehow, most likely with a new Seeker mold and no less than 10 repaints (crossover marketing with Skittles here: Transform the Rainbow), plus at least five redecos of Prime and Megatron.

As for SS, we are still missing the bright shiny badass Camaro Bumblebee turned into at the end of his movie, and at least two other Camaro versions of him (as we speak of redoing characters over and over...)

ZeroWolf wrote:Isn't Arcee getting a Netflix re-release as well? Imagine if the kingdom Arcee was just BA repainted

The next wave of Netflix Deluxes is Deep Cover, ER Barricade from Smokescreen, some variety of Cheetor repaint, and some variety of Quintesson, according to the listings/leaks we've seen, nothing on an Arcee.

Nemesis Primal wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:Isn't Arcee getting a Netflix re-release as well? Imagine if the kingdom Arcee was just BA repainted

The next wave of Netflix Deluxes is Deep Cover, ER Barricade from Smokescreen, some variety of Cheetor repaint, and some variety of Quintesson, according to the listings/leaks we've seen, nothing on an Arcee.

Interesting Never mind then, don't know why I thought there was one.

First-Aid wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:Though I can see a bright side to all this...no more need to redo these characters for a long while

This is Hasbro. They will find a way to do it, and appease whiny Geewunners somehow, most likely with a new Seeker mold and no less than 10 repaints (crossover marketing with Skittles here: Transform the Rainbow), plus at least five redecos of Prime and Megatron.

As for SS, we are still missing the bright shiny badass Camaro Bumblebee turned into at the end of his movie, and at least two other Camaro versions of him (as we speak of redoing characters over and over...)

I hear a lot about "whiny Geewunners" from people whining about Geewunners and they're repaints and remolds while they whine about repaints and remolds. Wonder why that is?

sol magnus wrote:

First-Aid wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:Though I can see a bright side to all this...no more need to redo these characters for a long while

This is Hasbro. They will find a way to do it, and appease whiny Geewunners somehow, most likely with a new Seeker mold and no less than 10 repaints (crossover marketing with Skittles here: Transform the Rainbow), plus at least five redecos of Prime and Megatron.

As for SS, we are still missing the bright shiny badass Camaro Bumblebee turned into at the end of his movie, and at least two other Camaro versions of him (as we speak of redoing characters over and over...)

I hear a lot about "whiny Geewunners" from people whining about Geewunners and they're repaints and remolds while they whine about repaints and remolds. Wonder why that is?

Was that English???

Absolutely, I hate repaints and remolds. I hate whiny people, too. I want new, exciting product and characters, not rehashes and remolds, with new details, features and a different look altogether. I haven't seen that TF: Animated introduced us to Bulkhead and Lugnut, who were both good characters with excellent product. The ONLY other breath of change in the last 20 years has been the Bay movies. In a toy line that is really all about transforming and change, there sure isn't much transformation and change. It's pretty much a dead horse HasTak has been beating on since Beast Machines ended the last truly, completely original TF series.

First-Aid wrote:

sol magnus wrote:

First-Aid wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:Though I can see a bright side to all this...no more need to redo these characters for a long while

This is Hasbro. They will find a way to do it, and appease whiny Geewunners somehow, most likely with a new Seeker mold and no less than 10 repaints (crossover marketing with Skittles here: Transform the Rainbow), plus at least five redecos of Prime and Megatron.

As for SS, we are still missing the bright shiny badass Camaro Bumblebee turned into at the end of his movie, and at least two other Camaro versions of him (as we speak of redoing characters over and over...)

I hear a lot about "whiny Geewunners" from people whining about Geewunners and they're repaints and remolds while they whine about repaints and remolds. Wonder why that is?

Was that English???

Absolutely, I hate repaints and remolds. I hate whiny people, too. I want new, exciting product and characters, not rehashes and remolds, with new details, features and a different look altogether. I haven't seen that TF: Animated introduced us to Bulkhead and Lugnut, who were both good characters with excellent product. The ONLY other breath of change in the last 20 years has been the Bay movies. In a toy line that is really all about transforming and change, there sure isn't much transformation and change. It's pretty much a dead horse HasTak has been beating on since Beast Machines ended the last truly, completely original TF series.

Not the queen's, but it'll do.

I suppose hating repaints and remolds isn't necessarily bad, although it's been there since day one of the franchise.

You say you hate whiny people, and I'm not a fan, but this myth of the 'whiny Geewunner' must stop. I've never seen a "Geewunner" (itself a slur) who exhibits this behavior. Where are they? Point me out one.

In this very thread about this Studio Series business I've seen plenty of 'whining' and teethgnashing about G1 guys who were in an actual theater release movie 'invading' their precious Studio Series - as entitled an attitude as any G1 person who might have thought Armada was 'kiddy' (it was), or didn't like the direction of Beast Wars in general (I didn't - at first). But the ones I know who felt that way still bought the toys. Heck,even I have an Armada Prime - because I thought it was a cool toy despite the show's demographic simply not being mine.

Once again comes the fallacy that the franchise is "all about change" when it's really all about giant fighting robots changing into other stuff as an argument for 'why do they keep making all this Geewun (slur) stuff?'

The fact is, for now anyway, so-called "Geewunners" don't have to justify themselves to you, because Hasbro justifies them year after year with the products they choose to make.

When this sort of post crops up, myself and others pipe up to say, 'hey I like things OTHER than G1, why you gotta harsh my mellow, man?' In the modern era, I don't see G1 types bashing other areas of the fandom. For what? It all keeps it all going in some respect or another. If you want Hasbro to keep making Skids, Mudflap and Devastators without balls from the second movie that's fine, but know that to get that, they have to keep pumping out "Geewun-ish" stuff to keep that going.

BTW, the only year I believe I didn't buy any Transformer product was when they did Power Core Combiners. They are trash, I don't care what you or anybody else says about. Complete garbage. They also failed miserably, relegated to the dust bin of history AND the actual dustbin. But Hasbro was trying to do something different.

sol magnus wrote:In this very thread about this Studio Series business I've seen plenty of 'whining' and teethgnashing about G1 guys who were in an actual theater release movie 'invading' their precious Studio Series - as entitled an attitude as any G1 person who might have thought Armada was 'kiddy' (it was), or didn't like the direction of Beast Wars in general (I didn't - at first). But the ones I know who felt that way still bought the toys. Heck,even I have an Armada Prime - because I thought it was a cool toy despite the show's demographic simply not being mine.

You see, G1 keeps going, it keeps getting recycled, new toys of the same characters as they go. And it will keep going, with a huge cast too I might add.

Studio Series has been small in comparison, 3 waves per year (save year 1), 2 or 3 leaders, 6 voyagers, 12 deluxes. Not a large toyline at a time. not even a selects release repaint.

All SS needs is maybe one, maybe one and a half years to complete the cast, in scale with one another, complete. The end. Final. Full movie cast, in nigh perfect form, and left to rest. Which is what will happen with live action bots the moment this line ends. it will fall like the rest, getting a very occasional repaint homage of some sort, but that's it.

Give SS 1 or a bit more years, and then the live action movies can rest. We will be happy. It's bad enough it took 11 years to get a combining Devastator with proper robot modes, 9 years to complete the trio of Wreckers, and 13 years to get another go at the original Megatron. And we still don't have a Dino or the completion of the dreads or even TLK Megatron's crew. Let it run its course and finish.

G1 is literally EVERYWHERE else. let the 1 line that doesn't have any G1 in it finish.

Speaking of newly completed teams, Leadfoot is a really solid deluxe figure. I really enjoy this guy, there really isn't anything bad about him