Variant Covers for IDW Transformers: Lost Light #17 by Jack Lawrence

Ironhidensh wrote:Out of all the Transformers, Rodimus is probably the only one with enough ego, and enough decency, to hold his own in a convo with the gods.

MagicDeath wrote:

Ironhidensh wrote:Out of all the Transformers, Rodimus is probably the only one with enough ego, and enough decency, to hold his own in a convo with the gods.

Just imagine Sky Lynx.

ZeroWolf wrote:I still find it a bit odd that they aren't even attempting to do a tie in for potp. I mean in a way I don't mind as it let's barber and Roberts get on with their stories but does this mean that hasbro are going to let idw decide if they want to provide a link to the toy line?

Rodimus Prime wrote:"Dying of the Light" and "Titans Return." 2 stories that disappointed me. They both started very good and the 2nd half just took a nosedive. I will say that I have yet to read TAAO volume 2, which is supposed to be the conclusion of the TR story. From what I understand the story gets better somewhat. I think Roberts wrote the garbage parts of TR, and it was the disintegration of the story in DotL that made me realize just how inadequate a TF writer Roberts really is.

ZeroWolf wrote:Fort was alive all the time in MTMTE, as he's reckless when he runs into overlord again (a separate encounter from before dying of the light and after lsotw)

Sentinel became a headmaster because it had to tie in to the titans return toy line where sentinel was a wave one voyager (basically he was there to get another use out of the mold before astrotrain was released)

As for change in combiners, this is because of the shift, we had nexus prime (now the first combiner) and his enigma of combination (as seen on the current grimlock, starscream, elita 1 and hunn grr figures) which is what created defensor, menasor, skyreign and the girl combiner whose name embrassingly escapes me at this moment. Superion was created through megatron experiments (same with a newer version of devestator which had prowl as the head, this was awesome btw) you could argue the power difference as jihaxus making monstructor much stronger through repeated experiments. Though I have no doubt if monstructor was to reappear then he would be depowered compared newer combiners

starfishy wrote:hello, new member here.

watched the old cartoons as a kid and read a few of the comics. That was many years ago, but recently my curiosity was renewed and decided to pick up a transformers comic.

I found the first TPB for MTMTE, read it in a day, then went to buy the next couple trades, I know that’s from several years ago, but I understand that this Lost Light series is a continuation, correct? Anyways I have some catching up to do, I’m thinking I’ll just pick up the latest of LL at the same time I’m reading through the MTMTE series.

starfishy wrote:ok, so it’s an actual continuation then. Maybe I will just wait for the trades then and finish MTMTE first. I go back and forth with whether I want to get TPBs or single issues a lot.

Really glad I found this comic, I’m part way though the 2nd TPB of MTMTE.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

starfishy wrote:Personally, I think MTMTE is better when read in TPBs. Makes for a better read, because you get all the parts of a story arc at the same time, so you can read through from start to finish. Get the individual issues only if you're a completionist. Have fun with it, MTMTE is pretty good, the 1st 40 issues, anyway. Then it kinda went downhill, in my opinion, but I guess you will make up your own mind. I think the other series, titled Robots in Disguise, then reduced to simply Transformers, is the better story.

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ZeroWolf wrote:I wouldn't expect galvy back till after the unicron event (or perhaps during if galvy becomes a herald)

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Certainly Galvatron. That was one of the most pathetic and anti-climatic deaths I've seen.

Randomhero wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Certainly Galvatron. That was one of the most pathetic and anti-climatic deaths I've seen.

No burying him under an iceberg with the power of friendship is one of the most pathetic and anti-climactic deaths ever.

Randomhero wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Certainly Galvatron. That was one of the most pathetic and anti-climatic deaths I've seen.

No burying him under an iceberg with the power of friendship is one of the most pathetic and anti-climactic deaths ever.

ZeroWolf wrote:So the war is never allowed to end then? How boring.

Wait, you say you dislike idw but if that's your request for what the comics should be then surely you shouldn't have had a problem with the early idw stuff when the war was active.

Galactic Prime wrote:Unfortunately the early stuff was written by Simon Furman (who sucks) and E.J. Su who drew the crappiest looking TFs ever. So no, I wasn't particularly fond of it, but some of it was better. All Hail Megatron wasn't bad.

ZeroWolf wrote:So the war is never allowed to end then? How boring.

Wait, you say you dislike idw but if that's your request for what the comics should be then surely you shouldn't have had a problem with the early idw stuff when the war was active.

ZeroWolf wrote:Actually I would say the central premise of transformers are toy robots that turn into other things. The war was a backstop you created so they had a villain to fight and more toys to tell. Here's the thing though, now the comics aren't really there to sell the toys (well they shouldn't but some questionable choices of characters appearing when they had a thrilling 30 toy out was clear that hasbro thought there was a connection. I don't think the evidence bore that out)

Also those examples? Not really applicable really since both started out solely as comics and a few decades before diaclone and microman were a thing but let's just focus on tfs. Not to mention xmen and batman have a large cast of rotating villains and interactions with the world around them. More and more I'm hearing people who just want the sunbrow cartoon as a comic, we can have so much more than that, we don't need these stories to do something that already exists (you still have the g1 toon, the takara series, the marvel comics original series, every new cartoon continuity that comes out) I don't see why comics should do what all if them are already doing.

Now as for idw having lost the licence...where's the evidence? I mean I want evidence that hasbro is separating the licence from the rest of their comics, evidence they are having companies bid for it? All I see is evidence of a reboot (soft or hard remains to be seen, event hyperbole makes it harder to see the real picture). All you have is conjecture, I think that idw will be keeping the licence , after all they have a close bond with hasbro now. In fact I tend to think the opposite, I think that hasbro will eventually buy idw so they have a in-house publisher...right before Disney buy them

As for sales numbers of issues, does that include online reading through apps like comixology and the like? I know there's a few on here who read only digital. Also there's plenty of other ongoings from publishers that aren't DC, Image or Marvel that hit similar figures or less. Sometimes I think people are expecting tf comics to fly off the shelves the way batman or spiderman does.

Ratbat wrote:

Galactic Prime wrote:Unfortunately the early stuff was written by Simon Furman (who sucks) and E.J. Su who drew the crappiest looking TFs ever. So no, I wasn't particularly fond of it, but some of it was better. All Hail Megatron wasn't bad.

Frankly, I love Simon Furman's Transformers stories published by IDW: Infiltration, Stormbringer, Escalation, Devastation, Revelation (aka Transformers Spotlight Volume 4), early Transformers Spotlights (generally written by Furman), etc.

Since 2010, I have generally avoided IDW's Transformers stories not written by Furman.

Of course, I enjoyed the short-lived Transformers: Regeneration One (2012-2014) series.

Ratbat wrote:I also liked Transformers: Deviations, as well. I have both editions thereof.

ZeroWolf wrote:Deviations...oh that was the what if wasn't it?

As I said before, the main thing is that transformers are a toy where a robot changes to something else (in some cases they do not but outside of statues, we've gotten better about not doing that). The war is background fluff. The central idea wasn't "I want a story about two factions going to war!" But more "look here's these Japanese toys...let's market the heck out of them for kids!"

partholon wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:Deviations...oh that was the what if wasn't it?

As I said before, the main thing is that transformers are a toy where a robot changes to something else (in some cases they do not but outside of statues, we've gotten better about not doing that). The war is background fluff. The central idea wasn't "I want a story about two factions going to war!" But more "look here's these Japanese toys...let's market the heck out of them for kids!"

actually in the book and entertainment in general it isnt

thats why hasbro tasked marvel to create the IP for them.

the shape changing toys with no bios ,no names ,no faction or universe or history werent enough to hook the public and they knew it.

which is why every bit of marketing for them specifically referenced said conflict.

the core concept of the book - which is what were really talking about here- is "the war", its not backround fluff. its literally the essence of this franchise . even fecking BAY got that.

you like IDWs current rip off of futuramas "all my circuits" well knock yourself out, but fans have been dumping this book en mass and IMO its due to IDW walking away from transformers comics core conceit.

oh and on them losing the license. yeah your right im guessing at it. IDW dont tell us stuff like "weve sacked aubrey sitteson at hasbros behest" we got to figure it out ourselves by our own observations ( and wait to have it confirmed by ryall AFTER "he stepped down" from the company- which he has) so i dont expect them to come out and say "weve lost the gig so heres all our years storylines in one go so we dont do a dreamwave on it")

but we can judge them on their actions and what theyre doing does not bode well. i mean does ANYONE expect the art in lost light to be anything but pure rushed garbage over the next few months? they cant produce good art as it is on a monthly basis. the whole thing feels like a wrap up so they can put all their books out in trade down the line to get some recycled revenue.

plus with the whole financial affairs they have theres no guarantee they'll be there in 2 years to make these books. Hasbro will certainly be thinking about that and how a move to dark horse might be a better option (if they dont just make the books inhouse themselves) certainly buying IDW wont be on their agenda when they could just pick it up out of bankruptcy.

by the way please post up the stats for digital sales if you have them. id love to see em. everyone keeps going on about them but ive never seen em save a book from cancellation or even seen one go digital only as its proven a more successful format for it. certainly not one that requires a hefty licence fee to be paid to another company to produce as well.

ZeroWolf wrote:You're right I don't have the digital sales but I only mentioned it since you were happily pinning everything on physical when unless we know concrete details its schrodingers spreadsheet.

Dark horse? I doubt they would go for the tf licsence if it did go for sale. It would probably be someone like boom! Who would get it. Also financial trouble? They aren't dreamwave who had no clue how to run a successful business also why would hasbro abandon their hasbroverse now after going to great lengths meddling in the running of the comics to get it set up?

Simple question, what would you do if all you predicted didn't happen? And idw kept going with tf? Here's what would happen if the reverse happened, I would read the first few issues of whoever had picked up the series and see if I liked it...if I did then we all win, if I didn't I would drop it and keep tabs on it to see if things improved but I would go on threads based on it to keep going on about how awful it is.

partholon wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:You're right I don't have the digital sales but I only mentioned it since you were happily pinning everything on physical when unless we know concrete details its schrodingers spreadsheet.

Dark horse? I doubt they would go for the tf licsence if it did go for sale. It would probably be someone like boom! Who would get it. Also financial trouble? They aren't dreamwave who had no clue how to run a successful business also why would hasbro abandon their hasbroverse now after going to great lengths meddling in the running of the comics to get it set up?

Simple question, what would you do if all you predicted didn't happen? And idw kept going with tf? Here's what would happen if the reverse happened, I would read the first few issues of whoever had picked up the series and see if I liked it...if I did then we all win, if I didn't I would drop it and keep tabs on it to see if things improved but I would go on threads based on it to keep going on about how awful it is.

i think you meant to say "i wouldnt go on threads based on it to keep going on about how awfull it is"

if so thats sad.

cause the books wont get better if you just walk away from them on fora like this.your view matters man, even if everyone else disagrees with it

in fact if you just walk away what you'll have done is create an environment where IDW (Or whomever makes to books down the line) dont have clue one as to why this book that used to sell 17k a year is now floundering in the high 5s and dropping every month as when lads there look in here to get a "Fans view" all they see is an echochamber.


must say though its interesting to see just how often people are told to sod off if they dont like the books current direction. i dont recall that happening in the costa era.


i LOVE comic books, it kills me to have to vote with my wallet and watch these thing crash and burn. but its the only way to get change. it worked with the costa era and itll work with the "woke" era were in now with its weird inter sectional politics intruding onto whats meant to be entertainment. but besides that the best thing i can do is point out the flaws in the product in threads and the like so the view is out there.

oh and if you dont know IDWs finanical woes just google it. you'll be up to speed quickly. theres a reason ryall was sacked (dont mind that nonsense about him "Stepping down" he had no more choice than axel alonzo did) and as for me "happily pining everyting on physical sales".

yeah thats called "Facts" . most people base logical assumptions on what information they can get and the floppies are still what drive this market. if i can get the digital info ill factor it in, till then ill proceed as usual.

its how i knew till all are one wouldnt get past issue 12 and its whats making me think theres something seriously bad going on with this event.

i actually hope im wrong. i hope the new editor to replace ryall manages to get the books back to where they were in the -ations series or even season one of MTMTE/RID.

but i just dont have that much hope left. comics in general are in a VERY toxic condition.

starfishy wrote:What specifically don’t you like about the comics by IDW, seems kind of pointless to just repeat that it’s garbage, eh?

Im only on book 3 of MTMTE but it seems like quality comics to me