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How come this uncolored prototype looks better to me than the colored version? Maybe it's the cohesive color? Kinda reminds me of a Bay-verse transformer for some reason...

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:

Agamemnon wrote:Is it just me, or does it look like Vortex's chopper nose has been remolded? I may just keep my preorder...

It kinda does, and it looks like all his rotors still fold up nice and neat

I'm fairly certain that the rotor is one solid piece. The blades can move just like the original but that's it. Also the front of vortex is the same, there's no remolding

Things are not looking good for Orange Off not being orange. He looks more orange-brown now, but still not even remotely close to the correct color. It is a pity that they couldn't get the colors right, because the mold itself looks top shelf. I like the additional purple on Swindle. The quad-rotor on Vortex looks really nice. I think it is just the angle that is making people think that the nose section is remolded, but I could be wrong. The bright blue on Vortex is not very good. Should be more of a darker gray-blue.

The chest still looks awful on Bruticus. It will make Onslaught look bad as well, especially in vehicle mode. Onslaught looks pretty good otherwise. Brawl is about equal. The bright orange eyes are nice for show-accuracy.

steals_your_goats wrote:

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:

Agamemnon wrote:Is it just me, or does it look like Vortex's chopper nose has been remolded? I may just keep my preorder...

It kinda does, and it looks like all his rotors still fold up nice and neat

I'm fairly certain that the rotor is one solid piece. The blades can move just like the original but that's it. Also the front of vortex is the same, there's no remolding

the rotors do still look like a solid piece, but the picture show the rotors still stow away nice and neat and don't obnoxiously stick out

Death is impressed... Though as I guessed, the addition of rotors to Vortex results in some.... awkwardness near his diodes...

DeathReviews wrote:Death is impressed... Though as I guessed, the addition of rotors to Vortex results in some.... awkwardness near his diodes...

You can't make an omelette without breaking some eggs.

steals_your_goats wrote:

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:

Agamemnon wrote:Is it just me, or does it look like Vortex's chopper nose has been remolded? I may just keep my preorder...

It kinda does, and it looks like all his rotors still fold up nice and neat

I'm fairly certain that the rotor is one solid piece. The blades can move just like the original but that's it. Also the front of vortex is the same, there's no remolding

Yeah, with the close-up pics of the grey prototypes (which were not there when I initially commented) they chopper nose looks like the same as on Alpha Bravo. And now that I look at that color pic, it looks like it is smooshed vertically, making the nose look longer and sharper than I bet it really is.

...and it's still better than Hasbro offering.

Wait a sec, guys. There's something very peculiar about what we see in these pics. Why are all of the Combaticons in these pics, instead of just the Blast Off figures, still in the gray prototype stage at this point? Four of them should all be done by this point since they're all just straight redecos of finished molds (though, Vorter's/Vortex's rotor is a retool, but you get the picture).

Back when we first saw pics of UW Guardian (Defensor), all four of his completed molds were fully colored, either in Hasbro colors as placeholders or hand-painted samples in the finalized Takara decos, while the Groove mold was still a gray prototype.

It doesn't really make sense for these UW versions of Onslaught, Brawl, Swindle, and Vorter/Vortex to all be gray prototypes like Blast Off since those four toys are all preexisting finished molds. They ought to be either the Hasbro versions as placeholders or Takara-deco-painted samples.

I can't think of any real reason for those four to still be incomplete... unless... unless Takara's doing some tooling changes to all of those molds for their UW release, rather than just simply redecoing them (I know it's not likely, yeah, but nor is it impossible).

bvzxa wrote:...and it's still better than Hasbro offering.

Maybe for Blastoff but the rest are hardly different or have worse choices.


The blue and the rotor on Vortex look bad the rotor is cool on Bruticus but it's not going to look good in bot mode for Vortex and I think Vortex looks a lot like movie Incinerator more so then G1 Vortex.



Brawl and Swindle are probably the same as Hasbro outside of some arguably fancier paint.


Onslaught looks pretty bad with the really bright cartoon colors and that brown Bruticus colors on him in bot mode and truck mode in other words he is too blue and the brown is executed awfully.




The best choice would be a mix between Hasbro and Takara with Hasbro Onslaught and Vortex with the rest using Takara versions although Brawl and Swindle wont suffer from using Hasbro's colors.

Deadput wrote:

bvzxa wrote:...and it's still better than Hasbro offering.

Maybe for Blastoff but the rest are hardly different or have worse choices.


The blue and the rotor on Vortex look bad the rotor is cool on Bruticus but it's not going to look good in bot mode for Vortex and I think Vortex looks a lot like movie Incinerator more so then G1 Vortex.



Brawl and Swindle are probably the same as Hasbro outside of some arguably fancier paint.


Onslaught looks pretty bad with the really bright cartoon colors and that brown Bruticus colors on him in bot mode and truck mode in other words he is too blue and the brown is executed awfully.




The best choice would be a mix between Hasbro and Takara with Hasbro Onslaught and Vortex with the rest using Takara versions although Brawl and Swindle wont suffer from using Hasbro's colors.

...and...all of this is YOUR opinion.

Sabrblade wrote:Wait a sec, guys. There's something very peculiar about what we see in these pics. Why are all of the Combaticons in these pics, instead of just the Blast Off figures, still in the gray prototype stage at this point? Four of them should all be done by this point since they're all just straight redecos of finished molds (though, Vorter's/Vortex's rotor is a retool, but you get the picture).

Back when we first saw pics of UW Guardian (Defensor), all four of his completed molds were fully colored, either in Hasbro colors as placeholders or hand-painted samples in the finalized Takara decos, while the Groove mold was still a gray prototype.

It doesn't really make sense for these UW versions of Onslaught, Brawl, Swindle, and Vorter/Vortex to all be gray prototypes like Blast Off since those four toys are all preexisting finished molds. They ought to be either the Hasbro versions as placeholders or Takara-deco-painted samples.

I can't think of any real reason for those four to still be incomplete... unless... unless Takara's doing some tooling changes to all of those molds for their UW release, rather than just simply redecoing them (I know it's not likely, yeah, but nor is it impossible).

Maybe some retooling to be announced like the UW Devstar?

It does look like Swindle's rims/wheels are remolded and painted. That or the paint makes a huge difference.

bvzxa wrote:
...and...all of this is YOUR opinion.

So?


Saying "It's your opinion" isn't saying anything new nor is it a good argument.



All I'm saying is that bright 80's cartoon colors is not always the best choice and can turn out bad sometimes.

Sabrblade wrote:Wait a sec, guys. There's something very peculiar about what we see in these pics. Why are all of the Combaticons in these pics, instead of just the Blast Off figures, still in the gray prototype stage at this point? Four of them should all be done by this point since they're all just straight redecos of finished molds (though, Vorter's/Vortex's rotor is a retool, but you get the picture).

Back when we first saw pics of UW Guardian (Defensor), all four of his completed molds were fully colored, either in Hasbro colors as placeholders or hand-painted samples in the finalized Takara decos, while the Groove mold was still a gray prototype.

It doesn't really make sense for these UW versions of Onslaught, Brawl, Swindle, and Vorter/Vortex to all be gray prototypes like Blast Off since those four toys are all preexisting finished molds. They ought to be either the Hasbro versions as placeholders or Takara-deco-painted samples.

I can't think of any real reason for those four to still be incomplete... unless... unless Takara's doing some tooling changes to all of those molds for their UW release, rather than just simply redecoing them (I know it's not likely, yeah, but nor is it impossible).

Maybe it's to uniformly go alongside Blast Off or something like that or it's a business thing.

Is It me or do vortex's rotor blades look longer now?

I agree that a mix of hasbro and takara would result in the best brutuicus (not the most accurate but most pleasing to the eye)

There's no reason to bash the hasbro one, I mean we all have a choice between two great toys, so no reason to be overly negative

ZeroWolf wrote:Is It me or do vortex's rotor blades look longer now?

Do you mean are the new 4 bladed rotors shorter or are you confusing it for Vortex having shorter 2 rotor blades?

Deadput wrote:

bvzxa wrote:
...and...all of this is YOUR opinion.

So?


Saying "It's your opinion" isn't saying anything new nor is it a good argument.



All I'm saying is that bright 80's cartoon colors is not always the best choice and can turn out bad sometimes.

There never will be the "perfect" version. Same with UW Guardian and Hb Defensor. TT seems to be going for the cartoon motiff. So if got deep pockets, get both and mix and match.

HYPE HYPE HYPE HYPE HYPE

These all look fantastic. And if they ARE retooling all the figures...Brawl's turret might actually rotate!

Delta Magnus wrote:HYPE HYPE HYPE HYPE HYPE

These all look fantastic. And if they ARE retooling all the figures...Brawl's turret might actually rotate!

I don't think the turret will rotate if it was something that could of been done normally it would of been in the Hasbro version it's not like different paint or completely new molding like the Vortex rotors and the new Groove and Blastoff molds.

fenrir72 wrote:
Maybe some retooling to be announced like the UW Devstar?

But even then, we had colour pics with only the new parts in grey scale.

Deadput wrote:

Delta Magnus wrote:HYPE HYPE HYPE HYPE HYPE

These all look fantastic. And if they ARE retooling all the figures...Brawl's turret might actually rotate!

I don't think the turret will rotate if it was something that could of been done normally it would of been in the Hasbro version it's not like different paint or completely new molding like the Vortex rotors and the new Groove and Blastoff molds.

You forget, this is Hasbro. Their cheapness/incompetence at times is mythical.

Looking at reviews of how Brawl works it should be possible. What they'd need to do is put the hinges that connect the turret to the back "levers" on a turntable.

I really wish Takara would stop taking the animation models quite so seriously. I've never noticed in 30 some years that G1 Bruticus had different colored feet that corresponded with Brawl and Swindle. It looks OK in the animation model because of the simplicity of the cartoon style, but on a complex toy like Combiner Wars Bruticus, different colored feet just look goofy on that toy.

Deadput wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:Is It me or do vortex's rotor blades look longer now?

Do you mean are the new 4 bladed rotors shorter or are you confusing it for Vortex having shorter 2 rotor blades?

I mean the length of the individual blades on his main rotor look longer to me

bvzxa wrote:

Deadput wrote:

bvzxa wrote:...and it's still better than Hasbro offering.

Maybe for Blastoff but the rest are hardly different or have worse choices.


The blue and the rotor on Vortex look bad the rotor is cool on Bruticus but it's not going to look good in bot mode for Vortex and I think Vortex looks a lot like movie Incinerator more so then G1 Vortex.



Brawl and Swindle are probably the same as Hasbro outside of some arguably fancier paint.


Onslaught looks pretty bad with the really bright cartoon colors and that brown Bruticus colors on him in bot mode and truck mode in other words he is too blue and the brown is executed awfully.




The best choice would be a mix between Hasbro and Takara with Hasbro Onslaught and Vortex with the rest using Takara versions although Brawl and Swindle wont suffer from using Hasbro's colors.

...and...all of this is YOUR opinion.

So? Is saying that the Takara version is better than Hasbro's not just YOUR opinion? Pot meet kettle. Personally I prefer Hasbro's, I like that he gets two legs that are proportionate to each other and two arms that are thinner than the legs but proportionate to one another. The takara blast off looks to bulky to me in arm mode. Point is, we're allowed to feel differently on things and at least Deadput provided reasons to his point of view.

For what it's worth. I've had the combiner wars figures both hasbro and takara. I just can't get into them. Something just seems to missing from them all. While this is a nice looking set I'm done with CW. Only titan returns figure I'm looking forward to is Fort Max.

Deadput wrote:

Delta Magnus wrote:HYPE HYPE HYPE HYPE HYPE

These all look fantastic. And if they ARE retooling all the figures...Brawl's turret might actually rotate!

if it was something that could of been done normally it would of been in the Hasbro version.

No necessarily. Just look at CW Devs vs UW Devs; everybody's got elbows in the Takara version, not so in the Hasbro one.

Fenrir Prime wrote:

bvzxa wrote:

Deadput wrote:

bvzxa wrote:...and it's still better than Hasbro offering.

Maybe for Blastoff but the rest are hardly different or have worse choices.


The blue and the rotor on Vortex look bad the rotor is cool on Bruticus but it's not going to look good in bot mode for Vortex and I think Vortex looks a lot like movie Incinerator more so then G1 Vortex.



Brawl and Swindle are probably the same as Hasbro outside of some arguably fancier paint.


Onslaught looks pretty bad with the really bright cartoon colors and that brown Bruticus colors on him in bot mode and truck mode in other words he is too blue and the brown is executed awfully.




The best choice would be a mix between Hasbro and Takara with Hasbro Onslaught and Vortex with the rest using Takara versions although Brawl and Swindle wont suffer from using Hasbro's colors.

...and...all of this is YOUR opinion.

So? Is saying that the Takara version is better than Hasbro's not just YOUR opinion? Pot meet kettle. Personally I prefer Hasbro's, I like that he gets two legs that are proportionate to each other and two arms that are thinner than the legs but proportionate to one another. The takara blast off looks to bulky to me in arm mode. Point is, we're allowed to feel differently on things and at least Deadput provided reasons to his point of view.

I think you're pretty right with that. I personally prefer the Hasbro version for most of the combaticons. I don't care if Blastoff is a jet because the arm from a jet looks a lot better than this. The shuttle arm looks ridiculously huge compared to Vortex as an arm.

The colors are just hideous to me. I like the grey head but that's it. He looks like a rainbow just threw up all over him....now there's a mental image.

Nemesis Maximo wrote:

Deadput wrote:

Delta Magnus wrote:HYPE HYPE HYPE HYPE HYPE

These all look fantastic. And if they ARE retooling all the figures...Brawl's turret might actually rotate!

if it was something that could of been done normally it would of been in the Hasbro version.

No necessarily. Just look at CW Devs vs UW Devs; everybody's got elbows in the Takara version, not so in the Hasbro one.

My devastator hasn't been separated in 2 months. Elbows mean nothing to some.

Randomhero wrote:

Nemesis Maximo wrote:

Deadput wrote:

Delta Magnus wrote:HYPE HYPE HYPE HYPE HYPE

These all look fantastic. And if they ARE retooling all the figures...Brawl's turret might actually rotate!

if it was something that could of been done normally it would of been in the Hasbro version.

No necessarily. Just look at CW Devs vs UW Devs; everybody's got elbows in the Takara version, not so in the Hasbro one.

My devastator hasn't been separated in 2 months. Elbows mean nothing to some.

Well, that is the benefit for you to get the hasbro release, but for others (myself included) hasbro's doesn't cut it because we seperate ours into the team for display; again, whether you got hasbro's or TT's its a win-win

Randomhero wrote:

Nemesis Maximo wrote:

Deadput wrote:

Delta Magnus wrote:HYPE HYPE HYPE HYPE HYPE

These all look fantastic. And if they ARE retooling all the figures...Brawl's turret might actually rotate!

if it was something that could of been done normally it would of been in the Hasbro version.

No necessarily. Just look at CW Devs vs UW Devs; everybody's got elbows in the Takara version, not so in the Hasbro one.

My devastator hasn't been separated in 2 months. Elbows mean nothing to some.

My point still stands, though. Just because it CAN be done doesn't mean Hasbro WILL do it.

ZeroWolf wrote:Is It me or do vortex's rotor blades look longer now?

I agree that a mix of hasbro and takara would result in the best brutuicus (not the most accurate but most pleasing to the eye)

There's no reason to bash the hasbro one, I mean we all have a choice between two great toys, so no reason to be overly negative

Agreed here. I actually like the chest plate on this Bruticus better and Vortex having 4 blades would be awesome for me, but I really like my Swindle, I don't really care if the turret rotates, and to me Blastoff make more sense as a jet and the jet mold to me at least works better than the new shuttle mode. Great options for different crowds.

I am loving this so far.

All i am hoping for now is a big gun for Bruticus and a better cab for Onslaught.

DMSL wrote:I am loving this so far.

All i am hoping for now is a big gun for Bruticus and a better cab for Onslaught.

Sorry to crush your dreams but neither of those are going to happen. What we see here is what the finished product is going to look like. So no additional remolding or weapons.

DMSL wrote:I am loving this so far.

All i am hoping for now is a big gun for Bruticus and a better cab for Onslaught.

a better cab would've been nice, as we got a better one with Takara Mixmaster, but as Steals said, we're probably stuck with what we're getting

Nemesis Maximo wrote:No necessarily. Just look at CW Devs vs UW Devs; everybody's got elbows in the Takara version, not so in the Hasbro one.

Hasbro did that for stability reasons and toy laws (guessing about the second one but it's not out of possibility)


A spinning turret is different from that.

Deadput wrote:

Nemesis Maximo wrote:No necessarily. Just look at CW Devs vs UW Devs; everybody's got elbows in the Takara version, not so in the Hasbro one.

Hasbro did that for stability reasons and toy laws (guessing about the second one but it's not out of possibility)

That was what they wanted us to believe. Hasui revealed the real reason was a smaller parts-count budget.

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Randomhero wrote:

Nemesis Maximo wrote:

Deadput wrote:

Delta Magnus wrote:HYPE HYPE HYPE HYPE HYPE

These all look fantastic. And if they ARE retooling all the figures...Brawl's turret might actually rotate!

if it was something that could of been done normally it would of been in the Hasbro version.

No necessarily. Just look at CW Devs vs UW Devs; everybody's got elbows in the Takara version, not so in the Hasbro one.

My devastator hasn't been separated in 2 months. Elbows mean nothing to some.

Well, that is the benefit for you to get the hasbro release, but for others (myself included) hasbro's doesn't cut it because we seperate ours into the team for display; again, whether you got hasbro's or TT's its a win-win

I put them in individuals bots once in a while but I am also an adult. I don't need to throw a fit over a toy. I can afford Takaras elbows but at the end of the day who am I trying to impress with transformers? It's a toy. Who cares? Elbows or not it's still an awesome toy and arguably the best combiner made. I don't need two guys with elbows to do the job. And if you're just displaying them, do the elbows on scrapper really tie the room together? More than likely no and if it really does and you look at a collection of toys and go "AGH! This two guys out of all these toys that don't have elbows really ruin this whole look" think there's more problems than just elbows.

Deadput wrote:

Nemesis Maximo wrote:No necessarily. Just look at CW Devs vs UW Devs; everybody's got elbows in the Takara version, not so in the Hasbro one.

Hasbro did that for stability reasons and toy laws (guessing about the second one but it's not out of possibility)


A spinning turret is different from that.

The stability reason was debunked. The original design for hasbro also had all the takara elbows but they were excluded to reduce the cost and parts count and as far as we know, there are no toy laws regarding elbows, so the hasbro elbows were done simply out of cheapness and parts count.

The spinning turret is not much different and it has no real issue being a part of the stability. However, the design chosen for the turret means that considering the turret is on top of a large hinge piece there would need to be some new pieces and some reworking done on and inside the turret as a whole, so I am not convinced by a change to a moving turret due to the reworking of the system

Delta Magnus wrote:You forget, this is Hasbro. Their cheapness/incompetence at times is mythical.

Looking at reviews of how Brawl works it should be possible. What they'd need to do is put the hinges that connect the turret to the back "levers" on a turntable.

What you call cheapness I call limitations and to call it incompetence is ridiculous.


Takara makes their toys for collectors and is probably made much less mass retail so they can paint their toys in fancy glitter or whatever else people go crazy for compared to Hasbro who is a lot more about mass retail.


I have never been good at explaining things so another way to describe it is that Hasbro is quantity and Takara is quality.

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:The stability reason was debunked. The original design for hasbro also had all the takara elbows but they were excluded to reduce the cost and parts count and as far as we know, there are no toy laws regarding elbows, so the hasbro elbows were done simply out of cheapness and parts count.

The spinning turret is not much different and it has no real issue being a part of the stability. However, the design chosen for the turret means that considering the turret is on top of a large hinge piece there would need to be some new pieces and some reworking done on and inside the turret as a whole, so I am not convinced by a change to a moving turret due to the reworking of the system

You know what who cares about what Hasbro or Takara does now days things will always be the same.


You guys go buy whatever you want I don't care since I can hardly actually say what's on my mind so it's useless.

Deadput wrote:

Delta Magnus wrote:You forget, this is Hasbro. Their cheapness/incompetence at times is mythical.

Looking at reviews of how Brawl works it should be possible. What they'd need to do is put the hinges that connect the turret to the back "levers" on a turntable.

What you call cheapness I call limitations and to call it incompetence is ridiculous.

But it IS incompetence. For CW Brawl (a toy released in 2015) to be lacking a feature that G1 Brawl (a toy nearly 30 years older) had is pathetic.

Takara makes their toys for collectors and is probably made much less mass retail so they can paint their toys in fancy glitter or whatever else people go crazy for compared to Hasbro who is a lot more about mass retail.

What, like basic play functions?

I have never been good at explaining things so another way to describe it is that Hasbro is quantity and Takara is quality.

Quality will always triumph quantity.

I'm no "LOL HASBLOW SUCKS TROLOLOLOLOLOL" idiot- I prefer a lot of Hasbro's decisions over Takara's (I much prefer Rook to Deluxe Groove, Hasbro Dragstrip over Takara Dragstrip etc)- but you don't need to defend each and every stupid decision they make. It's making you sound like some kind of corporate apologist.

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Would you rather have my typing so close to together that you cant read it?



I'll type how I have been typing for years thank you people can actually read it compared to the alternative.


Also I'm not replying to anything else here I'm done.

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I'll type how I have been typing for years thank you people can actually read it compared to the alternative.

The alternative being...typing normally?

Also I'm not replying to anything else here I'm done.

Good.

Delta Magnus wrote:The alternative being...typing normally?

Oh typing normally?


What a great idea probably something I have never thought of and have never attempted in my life...



Point is I don't have the mental capability to do that and if it sounds stupid well that's because it is.

Delta Magnus wrote:Good.

Don't do that...

I read A LOT of posts, and I have no trouble reading any of them with normal spacing.
We can all do our part to keep threads tidy and moving along efficiently. Like there is really no need to quote a an entire news post with 6 large images, just to say "It's SO COOL".

But, as I am reading through these posts, I am reminded that this is a thread about Unite Warriors and not post composition.
The current topic at hand is UW Bruticus.
Carry on.

Has takara had a hand in designing all of the cw figures?

Just I wondered if the reason takara was able to do more with unite warriors is because they didn't have to pay to develop all the molds. So when it came to paint apps, there was more money to spend. This is just my theory however.

Rated X wrote:So much better Takara !!!

Damn the Hasbro version sucks. I honestly believe Hasbro picks crappy colors on purpose to continue to justify Takaras existence as the "Premium" deco company.

Hasbro's job is to make the collectors puke...

Takara's job is to come and save the day... (for a price)

You are all just eating it up. The cartoon colours are extremely terrible, no matter how you look at it.

For whoever thought the blades on Vortex were longer, they are not. I just looked close. They only seem longer because the 2 taller looking rotors are closer together at the base. the rotors are the same length as usual:

those other two rotors look a bit of a mess(robot mode) coz at least with the original two...you could tuck those on the inside of the tailfins