Transformers Titans Return Titan Master Wave 3 Fangry, Ptero, Sawback on HTS.com

For some reason, Overboard wasn't listed, just Fangry and the two Autobots. He'll show up eventually, I'd imagine.

For Throttlebot fans...

Any actual details on it you'd care to share? Like where you found it, is it legit?

FB private group. I can't say the name of the source though, sorry. I did have his permission to post the pic.

Generator_G1 wrote:FB private group. I can't say the name of the source though, sorry. I did have his permission to post the pic.

Can you at least say where it was found? It would help for a news story!

Generator_G1 wrote:For Throttlebot fans...

Goldbug part deux?

We found something pretty cool on the Talk Transformers Facebook page, an image of Titans Return Roadburn in package. This will be part of the second wave of 2017 figures, along with Legends Brawn. While they are using the name Roadburn, this is essentially throttlebot Chase. It is using the Titans Return Bumblebee mold.

Awesome! He seems to be using his in-fiction head too; he had a mouth in Rebirth, Marvel, IDW etc. but didn't have one in his toy or packaging artwork.

Hubcap gets the shaft again.

This still looks nice though.

RiddlerJ wrote:Hubcap gets the shaft again.

This still looks nice though.

Pfft! He'll come eventually.

Weird! I was just staring at a pic of Bumblebee last night thinking, I wonder if they could retool his alt mode just a little to be Cliffjumper. Then I thought, who else could a red repaint be?

There's my answer!
I'm glad it's not Cliff for a change.

Once again, CJ gets shafted by Hasbro

Usually I will buy everything in CHUG but if they made a cliffjumper I'd pass on it. I've god the GDO prime cliffjumper with a G1 head and I'm good. It's great to finally have a G1 cliffjumper with no mold relation to Bumblebee.

It Is Him wrote:Once again, CJ gets shafted by Hasbro

How does that make sense, this isnt even cliffjumper. Wouldnt it be a shaft if he was once again just a redeco, like Chase is here?

william-james88 wrote:

It Is Him wrote:Once again, CJ gets shafted by Hasbro

How does that make sense, this isnt even cliffjumper. Wouldnt it be a shaft if he was once again just a redeco, like Chase is here?

Ya. My first thought was, maybe Cliff can get a new mold!

Sorry having a brain fart. Have we seen a review confirming or dispelling the belief that Bee can hold a TM as a pilot?

Cowboytron wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

It Is Him wrote:Once again, CJ gets shafted by Hasbro

How does that make sense, this isnt even cliffjumper. Wouldnt it be a shaft if he was once again just a redeco, like Chase is here?

Ya. My first thought was, maybe Cliff can get a new mold!

Sorry having a brain fart. Have we seen a review confirming or dispelling the belief that Bee can hold a TM as a pilot?

We, have, and it does:

Sweet! Thanks!

HE'S SO CUTE

Overcracker wrote:

Cowboytron wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

It Is Him wrote:Once again, CJ gets shafted by Hasbro

How does that make sense, this isnt even cliffjumper. Wouldnt it be a shaft if he was once again just a redeco, like Chase is here?

Ya. My first thought was, maybe Cliff can get a new mold!

Sorry having a brain fart. Have we seen a review confirming or dispelling the belief that Bee can hold a TM as a pilot?

We, have, and it does:

Yeah what is up with people thinking Bumblebee can't hold a Titan master? Even gnaw can hold one. It looks like he disturbanly eats one but he can hold one. Even kickback can.

If they're doing redecoes/new-head redecoes again so soon, I really hope they bring out Eject and Frenzy some time soon because I am actually adoring these cassettes; Rewind and Buzzsaw so far have just been incredible. I kinda like carting their cassette modes around in my pocket and their weird third modes are so cute and goofy.

nice to have another reveal, even if it is a repaint. I guess its nice that they add to the randomness of the line throwing in a little of everything that can in from 84-88 that wasn't released in CW (sans Optimus and Megatron which get multiple re-releases). I was hoping to see some more cassette tablet bots for legends class, to go with Soundwave & Blaster, but I guess time will tell. If there are 6 waves in TR, and 3 Legends in each wave, then there are still 7 spots coming. But that's 7 spots for any minibot, casettebot, throttlebot, most deluxe insecticons etc... I would have included the Battlehargers, but they were released in Japan, both as repaints of Blackjack from CW, I don't think Hasbro would copy that, but then again, you never know.

o.supreme wrote:nice to have another reveal, even if it is a repaint. I guess its nice that they add to the randomness of the line throwing in a little of everything that can in from 84-88 that wasn't released in CW (sans Optimus and Megatron which get multiple re-releases). I was hoping to see some more cassette tablet bots for legends class, to go with Soundwave & Blaster, but I guess time will tell. If there are 6 waves in TR, and 3 Legends in each wave, then there are still 7 spots coming. But that's 7 spots for any minibot, casettebot, throttlebot, most deluxe insecticons etc... I would have included the Battlehargers, but they were released in Japan, both as remolds of Blackjack from CW, I don't think Hasbro would copy that, but then again, you never know.

Seems to be that Hasbro wants to exclusively have toys that can interact with Titan Masters in this line, so we can probably count out redecoes of Legends class figures from previous lines. Which is a shame, 'cos I'd totally love some redecoes out of what we got in CW.

Well we did get TR Laserbeak from CW Buzzsaw

Kurona wrote:

o.supreme wrote:nice to have another reveal, even if it is a repaint. I guess its nice that they add to the randomness of the line throwing in a little of everything that can in from 84-88 that wasn't released in CW (sans Optimus and Megatron which get multiple re-releases). I was hoping to see some more cassette tablet bots for legends class, to go with Soundwave & Blaster, but I guess time will tell. If there are 6 waves in TR, and 3 Legends in each wave, then there are still 7 spots coming. But that's 7 spots for any minibot, casettebot, throttlebot, most deluxe insecticons etc... I would have included the Battlehargers, but they were released in Japan, both as remolds of Blackjack from CW, I don't think Hasbro would copy that, but then again, you never know.

Seems to be that Hasbro wants to exclusively have toys that can interact with Titan Masters in this line, so we can probably count out redecoes of Legends class figures from previous lines. Which is a shame, 'cos I'd totally love some redecoes out of what we got in CW.

Every CW Legends figure except bombshell was redecoed to something else or from a previous line

o.supreme wrote:Well we did get TR Laserbeak from CW Buzzsaw

Lol, true

Kurona wrote:

o.supreme wrote:Well we did get TR Laserbeak from CW Buzzsaw

Lol, true

also, speaking of interactive play, do all the Legends Class that are not tablets have the ability to have a TM heads as pilots? I have seen this with Wheelie, but not with any of the bots from wave 3 (BB, Gnaw or Kickback). I've seen some online reviews, but nothing that shows they have any integration with a Titan Master head, can anyone confirm?

It just seems to me that Buzzsaw was meant to be in the TR line, but since he was ready, and some other others were not, they just threw him into the end of CW.

o.supreme wrote:

Kurona wrote:

o.supreme wrote:Well we did get TR Laserbeak from CW Buzzsaw

Lol, true

also, speaking of interactive play, do all the Legends Class that are not tablets have the ability to have a TM heads as pilots? I have seen this with Wheelie, but not with any of the bots from wave 3 (BB, Gnaw or Kickback). I've seen some online reviews, but nothing that shows they have any integration with a Titan Master head, can anyone confirm?

It just seems to me that Buzzsaw was meant to be in the TR line, but since he was ready, and some other others were not, they just threw him into the end of CW.

Video Reviews have shown the wave 3 Legends do work with Titan Masters, Bumblebee has the same idea as Wheelie, Gnaw can "eat" them (they are stored in his mouth, and Kickback has posts on his back for a Titan Master near were his cockpit used to be.

o.supreme wrote:It just seems to me that Buzzsaw was meant to be in the TR line, but since he was ready, and some other others were not, they just threw him into the end of CW.

To me it felt a bit more like they didn't have room for him in TR and there was space in CW, so they might as well. After all, the way things were laid out; the only Autobot Cassettes we've got so far were in Wave 1 - the same wave Blaster came out - and the only Decepticon Cassettes we've got so far were in Wave 2 - the same wave Soundwave came out. And Legends Wave 2 was already filled, so might as well chuck one of the birds into CW. Buzzsaw was probably chosen because he's less popular than Laserbeak and the later waves of a line aren't expected to sell as much as the start or middle. That's just me though; either way I think everyone agrees he's basically just the first TR figure but he happened to be in another line.

william-james88 wrote:We found something pretty cool on the Talk Transformers Facebook page, an image of Titans Return Roadburn in package. This will be part of the second wave of 2017 figures, along with Legends Brawn. While they are using the name Roadburn, this is essentially throttlebot Chase. It is using the Titans Return Bumblebee mold.

A red Bumblebee repaint that isn't Cliffjumber?! Well that's a surprise. Still they could easily redeco him for Freeway and maybe Searchlight. Brawn could be redecoed into Rollbar and Goldbug from Bumblebee, all we would need then is a new Dump Truck for Wideload.

I wish he came with the mask, it was one of his big appeals originally, you basically got an Optimus prime who transformed into a Ferrari

Kurona wrote:

o.supreme wrote:It just seems to me that Buzzsaw was meant to be in the TR line, but since he was ready, and some other others were not, they just threw him into the end of CW.

To me it felt a bit more like they didn't have room for him in TR and there was space in CW, so they might as well. After all, the way things were laid out; the only Autobot Cassettes we've got so far were in Wave 1 - the same wave Blaster came out - and the only Decepticon Cassettes we've got so far were in Wave 2 - the same wave Soundwave came out. And Legends Wave 2 was already filled, so might as well chuck one of the birds into CW. Buzzsaw was probably chosen because he's less popular than Laserbeak and the later waves of a line aren't expected to sell as much as the start or middle. That's just me though; either way I think everyone agrees he's basically just the first TR figure but he happened to be in another line.

That's exactly what they did. They pushed his production ahead to fill the final wave of CW. Is this really a mystery? It's happened before.

o.supreme wrote:

Kurona wrote:

o.supreme wrote:Well we did get TR Laserbeak from CW Buzzsaw

Lol, true

also, speaking of interactive play, do all the Legends Class that are not tablets have the ability to have a TM heads as pilots? I have seen this with Wheelie, but not with any of the bots from wave 3 (BB, Gnaw or Kickback). I've seen some online reviews, but nothing that shows they have any integration with a Titan Master head, can anyone confirm?

Of course. BB can take a titan master in his driver section. Kickback actually has a cockpit space behind the yellow translucent chest piece, and Gnaw just has pegs in his mouth so he can eat the titan master rather than be piloted by one.

william-james88 wrote:We found something pretty cool on the Talk Transformers Facebook page, an image of Titans Return Roadburn in package. This will be part of the second wave of 2017 figures, along with Legends Brawn. While they are using the name Roadburn, this is essentially throttlebot Chase. It is using the Titans Return Bumblebee mold.

Seems odd that he's using the name Roadburn instead of Chase, since we've got Rescue Bots Chase so the name is available.

Seibertron wrote:

william-james88 wrote:We found something pretty cool on the Talk Transformers Facebook page, an image of Titans Return Roadburn in package. This will be part of the second wave of 2017 figures, along with Legends Brawn. While they are using the name Roadburn, this is essentially throttlebot Chase. It is using the Titans Return Bumblebee mold.

Seems odd that he's using the name Roadburn instead of Chase, since we've got Rescue Bots Chase so the name is available.

It's probably to avoid kids getting confused, like with Clobber/Grimlock.

Seibertron wrote:

william-james88 wrote:We found something pretty cool on the Talk Transformers Facebook page, an image of Titans Return Roadburn in package. This will be part of the second wave of 2017 figures, along with Legends Brawn. While they are using the name Roadburn, this is essentially throttlebot Chase. It is using the Titans Return Bumblebee mold.

Seems odd that he's using the name Roadburn instead of Chase, since we've got Rescue Bots Chase so the name is available.

Maybe to avoid confusion? Or maybe there will be a TR Chase based on the recuse bots designs (but we know about most of the waves, so probably not).

Sigma Magnus wrote:It's probably to avoid kids getting confused, like with Clobber/Grimlock.

Normally I'd agree but with Twinferno, Bumblebee and Optimus Prime as recent examples, I still think I'd rather see them use the name Chase.

Seibertron wrote:

Sigma Magnus wrote:It's probably to avoid kids getting confused, like with Clobber/Grimlock.

Normally I'd agree but with Twinferno, Bumblebee and Optimus Prime as recent examples, I still think I'd rather see them use the name Chase.

Agreed. But hey, once you buy it, you can call it whatever you want, right?

Seibertron wrote:

Sigma Magnus wrote:It's probably to avoid kids getting confused, like with Clobber/Grimlock.

Normally I'd agree but with Twinferno, Bumblebee and Optimus Prime as recent examples, I still think I'd rather see them use the name Chase.

Twinferno is likely a case of Trademark loss, being merely a substitute name. I'd bet that if Hasbro could have used the name "Doublecross" they would have.

Bumblebee and Optimus are both iconic enough to have all of the mainstream media versions similar to one another across the board.

G1 Chase and Rescue Bots Chase, however, are as different (maybe even moreso) in character and appearance as G1 Grimlock and RID Grimlock. It is evident that Hasbro wants to keep the names "Chase" and "Grimlock" attached to the currently-more-familiar-to-the-kids-of-today cartoon characters while their G1 namesakes get new aliases that avoid confusion between the different iterations of the same-named characters from inside and outside the cartoon franchises.

Tigertrack wrote:

Seibertron wrote:Seems odd that he's using the name Roadburn instead of Chase, since we've got Rescue Bots Chase so the name is available.

Maybe to avoid confusion? Or maybe there will be a TR Chase based on the recuse bots designs (but we know about most of the waves, so probably not).

I believe it's a bit more problematic than that, guys, but Rescue Bots does provide an excellent case in point.

Let's start by examining the Rescue Bot trademarks compared to other lines. A good one would be "Blades" as it's already vulnerable in a sense because it has the "Autobot" prefix since 2008:


Universe 2008 Autobot Blades

Fast forward to now, and we have two new variations:


Generations Protectobot Blades


Rescue Bots Blades The Copter-Bot

The bolded text is the actual trademark used. In short, "Blades" on its own, no prefixes, is a no-go. Rescue Bots cleverly circumvents that by trademarking the character's full title, like the later 2007 Movie Fast Action Battlers did. Note the occasional omission of "Autobot" and "Decepticon" of those toys a regular release would normally have. It seems the longer the actual trademark, the more unique, the better protected.

The same principle can be applied to "Chase". It seems on its own (or even with "Autobot") it's a dud, but as "Chase The Police-Bot" it's perfectly fine. Remember, Rescue Bots trademarks full titles, a slightly different principle compared to Generations and RiD 2015. Put bluntly, that line is no real indicator of what names are actually available.

With that...

I so called Bumblebee being used for a Throttlebot!

:EDIT: And you know what? I've taken a closer look at the head sculpt, and it's not Chase: it's a combination of Freeway's and Searchlight's, the other two Throttlebots that were rumored.

I personally think that Roadburn is a better name then Chase but that's just me. And you can call it anything you want anyway. I think I'll probably get him when he comes out since I'm skipping Bee and those colors look pretty good.

SureShot18 wrote:I personally think that Roadburn is a better name then Chase but that's just me. And you can call it anything you want anyway. I think I'll probably get him when he comes out since I'm skipping Bee and those colors look pretty good.

Yeah surprisingly, those colors with that awful mold looks decent.

Bumblebee is a surprisingly good figure, and I'll take this over Bee any day. Well, assuming he is of the same level of quality.

Terrsolpix wrote:Bumblebee is a surprisingly good figure, and I'll take this over Bee any day. Well, assuming he is of the same level of quality.

I just find the unnaturally thin legs with visible hinges and the wedge biceps's annoying.

SillySpringer wrote:

Terrsolpix wrote:Bumblebee is a surprisingly good figure, and I'll take this over Bee any day. Well, assuming he is of the same level of quality.

I just find the unnaturally thin legs with visible hinges and the wedge biceps's annoying.

I just pretend Bee has awkwardly shaped armor that he's just too chill to fix. A bit of a lazy excuse but the legs seem less out of place as all black on a primarily yellow body. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Terrsolpix wrote:

SillySpringer wrote:

Terrsolpix wrote:Bumblebee is a surprisingly good figure, and I'll take this over Bee any day. Well, assuming he is of the same level of quality.

I just find the unnaturally thin legs with visible hinges and the wedge biceps's annoying.

I just pretend Bee has awkwardly shaped armor that he's just too chill to fix. A bit of a lazy excuse but the legs seem less out of place as all black on a primarily yellow body. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

If the forearms were at least longer, I'd like it more even with the weird upper arms.

Had Fangry and Ptero in-hand at Walmart!

SALE DENIED due to computer-problems.

If my 5y/o daughter hadn't been there, I woulda fussed - but f it, and F Walmart!

bodrock wrote:Had Fangry and Ptero in-hand at Walmart!

SALE DENIED due to computer-problems.

If my 5y/o daughter hadn't been there, I woulda fussed - but f it, and F Walmart!

Never heard of Walmart doing that before. It's only ever happened to me at a TRU when trying to get some Lego that was supposed to release the next day. Best part was that the next time I tried doing that they let me

bodrock wrote:Had Fangry and Ptero in-hand at Walmart!

SALE DENIED due to computer-problems.

If my 5y/o daughter hadn't been there, I woulda fussed - but f it, and F Walmart!

Grab an older wave Titan Master, bring it to the self check-out, and scan it once for each of the wave 3 guys you want to get. You could either actually buy that one or just take it back to the shelf after you've completed your purchase.

Nice, I was hoping to pick up this mold, but didn't want to add yet another Bee to my collection. This will do perfectly!

Terrsolpix wrote:

bodrock wrote:Had Fangry and Ptero in-hand at Walmart!

SALE DENIED due to computer-problems.

If my 5y/o daughter hadn't been there, I woulda fussed - but f it, and F Walmart!

Never heard of Walmart doing that before. It's only ever happened to me at a TRU when trying to get some Lego that was supposed to release the next day. Best part was that the next time I tried doing that they let me

If only! I'm so annoyed right now....

I was totally lookin for the self-checkout but no luck there either.

bodrock wrote:

Terrsolpix wrote:

bodrock wrote:Had Fangry and Ptero in-hand at Walmart!

SALE DENIED due to computer-problems.

If my 5y/o daughter hadn't been there, I woulda fussed - but f it, and F Walmart!

Never heard of Walmart doing that before. It's only ever happened to me at a TRU when trying to get some Lego that was supposed to release the next day. Best part was that the next time I tried doing that they let me

If only! I'm so annoyed right now....

I was totally lookin for the self-checkout but no luck there either.

If this ever happens again, just tell them, "if you had this on your shelves, that must mean that you either intended to sell them or one of your employees/coworkers is so inept at their job that they were unable to follow simple directions." If you don't get banned or kicked out it will work this works best on managers BTW (I, Terrsolpix, am not liable for any life time bans or sassy attitudes from employees from my patent pending technique.)