Transformers Shattered Glass Flamewar and Fireglide Revealed

Ugh....add another figure to the list that I have no interest in, but comes with a cool Battle Master. If anyone getting this wants to part with it, PM me.

I was pretty pissed at how Legacy Prime Arcee was made. It didn't look like her at all.
But this Flamewar? Man, what a beauty! I must have her. I do hope she'll be available outside Pulse in Canada. She will look great beside my Botcon original.

So, who are Hasbro pretending she's the SG version of? Arcee? 'Cuz no SG character had Flamewar's deco.

Well, she's got a red Decepticon logo, so she is the character advertised on the package. Apparently negative-universe Flamewar dresses like positive-universe Flamewar. Maybe she's a robot goth?

Glarryg

Glarryg wrote:Well, she's got a red Decepticon logo, so she is the character advertised on the package. Apparently negative-universe Flamewar dresses like positive-universe Flamewar. Maybe she's a robot goth?

Glarryg

I know nothing of the character. But just looking at TF wiki really quick....looks like she originally had the more traditional purple/black Decepticon colors, then Wings Universe changed her look.

So maybe SG Flamewar is basically looking like Wings Universe -current Flamewar, as opposed to her original appearance?

o.supreme wrote:

Glarryg wrote:Well, she's got a red Decepticon logo, so she is the character advertised on the package. Apparently negative-universe Flamewar dresses like positive-universe Flamewar. Maybe she's a robot goth?

Glarryg

I know nothing of the character. But just looking at TF wiki really quick....looks like she originally had the more traditional purple/black Decepticon colors, then Wings Universe changed her look.

So maybe SG Flamewar is basically looking like Wings Universe -current Flamewar, as opposed to her original appearance?

Her original toy was black and red.


Transformers BotCon Exclusives Flamewar Gallery

As for her character, Ben Yee originally created her as a super-loyal Decepticon fully devoted to the cause, and a total G1 Megatron fangirl.

Less flatteringly, her name was meant to be a joke about us, the Transformers fandom in general, and our tendency to bicker about everything under the sun.

When she reappeared in the BotCon 2014 Wing Universe story, she became the subject of much criticism in how Hayato Sakamoto exaggerated her feminine features in the artwork and drew her in such an objectified manner.

She only recently became popular when IDW started using her in their 2019 comics, writing her in a way that readers really liked, to the point that people actually started arguing for her TFWiki mainpic to be of that version of her instead of her original design.

So they've opted to give Shattered Glass Flamewar nearly the same Deco as the "G1" version. It's smart, I'll give them that, since they've been on a kick that more recent figures can double as a Shattered Glass OR G1 Character. It helps sell the toys, since it's appealing to a larger crowd that way.

Plus, it's not UNHEARD of for Shattered Glass characters to have a nearly identical Deco to their positive counterparts. SG Jazz immediately springs to mind.

Seems like a waste. Too similar to regular Flamewar. Did they just not have a slot for her so they figured SG could do double duty and be both regular and SG FW?

Well. I wouldn't have gotten it either way.

Gauntlet101010 wrote:Seems like a waste. Too similar to regular Flamewar. Did they just not have a slot for her so they figured SG could do double duty and be both regular and SG FW?

Well. I wouldn't have gotten it either way.

Most likely. That seems to be the MO for SG this wave. Slicer is doing the same thing and Ultra Magnus is pulling several homages out of his trailer

I have the "Beast Hunters" Flamewar. I need that Energon one but I bet she cost an arm and a leg.

Also, further proof that the SG line is whatever Hasbro wish it to be, comics be damned.
A SG Metroplex based on the upcoming Legacy is still highly possible.

-Kanrabat- wrote:A SG Metroplex based on the upcoming Legacy is still highly possible.

Only if we get a Wave 3. This makes the fifth out of the five Wave 2 figures known: Blaster, Ultra Magnus, Slicer, Soundwave, and now Flamewar.

This is perfect. I saw nice digbashes of this, but this looks even better than I though it would. The battle master is just there, so whatever. My only concern is what buissienss does it have in the shattered glass line?

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:My only concern is what buissienss does it have in the shattered glass line?

Double coverage. It gives G1 Collectors a character that's infrequently physically represented, and Shattered Glass Collectors a character that hasn't been in Shattered Glass before.

The more people it appeals to, the more people will buy it. The more people that butyit, the more justification there is to continue a line of semi-obscure characters.

Yeah, the lack of a significantly different Deco compared to the G1 iteration might be a little disappointing, but if getting a SG Flamewar means I can get a SG Ultra Magnus, Wheeljack, Soundwave, and Blaster, that's fine with me.

And besides, Flamewar isn't the only SG character with a nearly unchanged Deco compared to the original. Jazz is the same.

Gearslide wrote:

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:My only concern is what buissienss does it have in the shattered glass line?

Double coverage. It gives G1 Collectors a character that's infrequently physically represented, and Shattered Glass Collectors a character that hasn't been in Shattered Glass before.

The more people it appeals to, the more people will buy it. The more people that butyit, the more justification there is to continue a line of semi-obscure characters.

Yeah, the lack of a significantly different Deco compared to the G1 iteration might be a little disappointing, but if getting a SG Flamewar means I can get a SG Ultra Magnus, Wheeljack, Soundwave, and Blaster, that's fine with me.

And besides, Flamewar isn't the only SG character with a nearly unchanged Deco compared to the original. Jazz is the same.

Yes, but Jazz is based off a weird toy.

Meanwhile, over in the Velocitron line, Mark Maher said during the unveiling of Burn Out that that toy also doubles for SG.

Sabrblade wrote:Meanwhile, over in the Velocitron line, Mark Maher said during the unveiling of Burn Out that that toy also doubles for SG.

Shattered glass Burnout, or Skids? (Not sure anyone cares for shattered glass burnout)

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Meanwhile, over in the Velocitron line, Mark Maher said during the unveiling of Burn Out that that toy also doubles for SG.

Shattered glass Burnout, or Skids? (Not sure anyone cares for shattered glass burnout)

Skids

Sabrblade wrote:Meanwhile, over in the Velocitron line, Mark Maher said during the unveiling of Burn Out that that toy also doubles for SG.

No surprise there. The original SG Skids was just a repurposing of the Burn Out toy. Only difference is this one has a Crosscut head.

Sabrblade wrote:

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Meanwhile, over in the Velocitron line, Mark Maher said during the unveiling of Burn Out that that toy also doubles for SG.

Shattered glass Burnout, or Skids? (Not sure anyone cares for shattered glass burnout)

Skids

Good, that makes a lot more sense than SG Burnout!

Sabrblade wrote:Meanwhile, over in the Velocitron line, Mark Maher said during the unveiling of Burn Out that that toy also doubles for SG.

Yes, all these lines are becoming just ways to release product to fans, which is what they have always been about. It's really not rocket science. And since anything sold at retail has to be made with kids in mind, they opted to have burnout in the velocitron line while flamewar in the SG line to avoid having two motorcycles in the same line.

william-james88 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Meanwhile, over in the Velocitron line, Mark Maher said during the unveiling of Burn Out that that toy also doubles for SG.

Yes, all these lines are becoming just ways to release product to fans, which is what they have always been about. It's really not rocket science. And since anything sold at retail has to be made with kids in mind, they opted to have burnout in the velocitron line while flamewar in the SG line to avoid having two motorcycles in the same line.

Of all three cycles, I definetely prefer the Flamewar over Arcee over Road Rocket.

Yaaaaay, I completely expected this and it looks pretty much exactly how I thought it would.
I'm likewise as puzzled as everyone else as to why it's apparently the SG version!

Ah well, a paintjob or a toyhax sticker away to just being normal Flamewar, I'm still happily going to nab this as is and I appreciate the inclusion of a battlemaster for more fun.

SpaceEagle wrote:Yaaaaay, I completely expected this and it looks pretty much exactly how I thought it would.
I'm likewise as puzzled as everyone else as to why it's apparently the SG version!

Ah well, a paintjob or a toyhax sticker away to just being normal Flamewar, I'm still happily going to nab this as is and I appreciate the inclusion of a battlemaster for more fun.

It is a really neat looking figure! At first when I saw the battle master my mind painted it blue because it remembered Jackpot. Funny how that works.

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:

SpaceEagle wrote:Yaaaaay, I completely expected this and it looks pretty much exactly how I thought it would.
I'm likewise as puzzled as everyone else as to why it's apparently the SG version!

Ah well, a paintjob or a toyhax sticker away to just being normal Flamewar, I'm still happily going to nab this as is and I appreciate the inclusion of a battlemaster for more fun.

It is a really neat looking figure! At first when I saw the battle master my mind painted it blue because it remembered Jackpot. Funny how that works.

Mold reuse will do that to ya, heh. I do think using the gun mode Sights had in the Jackpot set will probably make a good substitute for Flamewar's bow, at least without it being as big as she is. (Maybe you can even peg on those included energon blades to make it seem even more mystical!)

SpaceEagle wrote:

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:

SpaceEagle wrote:Yaaaaay, I completely expected this and it looks pretty much exactly how I thought it would.
I'm likewise as puzzled as everyone else as to why it's apparently the SG version!

Ah well, a paintjob or a toyhax sticker away to just being normal Flamewar, I'm still happily going to nab this as is and I appreciate the inclusion of a battlemaster for more fun.

It is a really neat looking figure! At first when I saw the battle master my mind painted it blue because it remembered Jackpot. Funny how that works.

Mold reuse will do that to ya, heh. I do think using the gun mode Sights had in the Jackpot set will probably make a good substitute for Flamewar's bow, at least without it being as big as she is. (Maybe you can even peg on those included energon blades to make it seem even more mystical!)

The bow? I forgot about that! I was wondering what the axe was supposed to represent...

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:

SpaceEagle wrote:

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:

SpaceEagle wrote:Yaaaaay, I completely expected this and it looks pretty much exactly how I thought it would.
I'm likewise as puzzled as everyone else as to why it's apparently the SG version!

Ah well, a paintjob or a toyhax sticker away to just being normal Flamewar, I'm still happily going to nab this as is and I appreciate the inclusion of a battlemaster for more fun.

It is a really neat looking figure! At first when I saw the battle master my mind painted it blue because it remembered Jackpot. Funny how that works.

Mold reuse will do that to ya, heh. I do think using the gun mode Sights had in the Jackpot set will probably make a good substitute for Flamewar's bow, at least without it being as big as she is. (Maybe you can even peg on those included energon blades to make it seem even more mystical!)

The bow? I forgot about that! I was wondering what the axe was supposed to represent...

Honestly comes off quite funny considering your weapon is listed as a crossbow, yet forgot about Flamewar's bow
Admittedly I rarely ever see anyone discuss Flamewar's figures so I cannot blame people forgetting what she even came with!

SpaceEagle wrote:

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:

SpaceEagle wrote:

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:

SpaceEagle wrote:Yaaaaay, I completely expected this and it looks pretty much exactly how I thought it would.
I'm likewise as puzzled as everyone else as to why it's apparently the SG version!

Ah well, a paintjob or a toyhax sticker away to just being normal Flamewar, I'm still happily going to nab this as is and I appreciate the inclusion of a battlemaster for more fun.

It is a really neat looking figure! At first when I saw the battle master my mind painted it blue because it remembered Jackpot. Funny how that works.

Mold reuse will do that to ya, heh. I do think using the gun mode Sights had in the Jackpot set will probably make a good substitute for Flamewar's bow, at least without it being as big as she is. (Maybe you can even peg on those included energon blades to make it seem even more mystical!)

The bow? I forgot about that! I was wondering what the axe was supposed to represent...

Honestly comes off quite funny considering your weapon is listed as a crossbow, yet forgot about Flamewar's bow
Admittedly I rarely ever see anyone discuss Flamewar's figures so I cannot blame people forgetting what she even came with!

I'm having a tough, day, worn out from earlier. (Check my latest posts if you really want to know but don't reply)

Hmmm...

With Fireglide in Weapon Mode, could you fold in the Axe Handle and have Flamewar hold them by the peg at the "Top" of the Axe and it could pass as a Bow or Crossbow? Or is there too much of a Clearance issue?

Gearslide wrote:Hmmm...

With Fireglide in Weapon Mode, could you fold in the Axe Handle and have Flamewar hold them by the peg at the "Top" of the Axe and it could pass as a Bow or Crossbow? Or is there too much of a Clearance issue?

That's what I thought too, but you'd have to swap the wings so the string is on the right side.

Flashwave wrote:

Gauntlet101010 wrote:Seems like a waste. Too similar to regular Flamewar. Did they just not have a slot for her so they figured SG could do double duty and be both regular and SG FW?

Well. I wouldn't have gotten it either way.

Most likely. That seems to be the MO for SG this wave. Slicer is doing the same thing and Ultra Magnus is pulling several homages out of his trailer

I know it's just toy releases and finding a place for them. I know that in my head. But in my heart it feels like we didn't get a proper SG toy out of this.

That said, the "proper" toy is likely Burn Out as SG Skids.

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:

Gearslide wrote:Hmmm...

With Fireglide in Weapon Mode, could you fold in the Axe Handle and have Flamewar hold them by the peg at the "Top" of the Axe and it could pass as a Bow or Crossbow? Or is there too much of a Clearance issue?

That's what I thought too, but you'd have to swap the wings so the string is on the right side.

Ah, I meant with the Wings forming the bow in the "correct" positioning, hence the concern about clearance.

Although, this photo of Pteraxadon from TFwiki basically shows what I was going for:



(Specifically the Middle Photo on the left side.)

Fireglide's head would essentially be facing forward with Flamewar holding the peg under their neck. My concern is the shape and size of Flamewar's arm might not let it be held well.

Gauntlet101010 wrote:

Flashwave wrote:

Gauntlet101010 wrote:Seems like a waste. Too similar to regular Flamewar. Did they just not have a slot for her so they figured SG could do double duty and be both regular and SG FW?

Well. I wouldn't have gotten it either way.

Most likely. That seems to be the MO for SG this wave. Slicer is doing the same thing and Ultra Magnus is pulling several homages out of his trailer

I know it's just toy releases and finding a place for them. I know that in my head. But in my heart it feels like we didn't get a proper SG toy out of this.

That said, the "proper" toy is likely Burn Out as SG Skids.

They have options. You can keep it as a Shattered Glass Flamewar, or you can add a decepticon logo and have regular flamewar. It is your choice, there is nothing wrong with that I think.

Gauntlet101010 wrote:

Flashwave wrote:

Gauntlet101010 wrote:Seems like a waste. Too similar to regular Flamewar. Did they just not have a slot for her so they figured SG could do double duty and be both regular and SG FW?

Well. I wouldn't have gotten it either way.

Most likely. That seems to be the MO for SG this wave. Slicer is doing the same thing and Ultra Magnus is pulling several homages out of his trailer

I know it's just toy releases and finding a place for them. I know that in my head. But in my heart it feels like we didn't get a proper SG toy out of this.

That said, the "proper" toy is likely Burn Out as SG Skids.

They have options. You can keep it as a Shattered Glass Flamewar, or you can add a decepticon logo and have regular flamewar. It is your choice, there is nothing wrong with that I think.

Gearslide wrote:

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:

Gearslide wrote:Hmmm...

With Fireglide in Weapon Mode, could you fold in the Axe Handle and have Flamewar hold them by the peg at the "Top" of the Axe and it could pass as a Bow or Crossbow? Or is there too much of a Clearance issue?

That's what I thought too, but you'd have to swap the wings so the string is on the right side.

Ah, I meant with the Wings forming the bow in the "correct" positioning, hence the concern about clearance.

Although, this photo of Pteraxadon from TFwiki basically shows what I was going for:



(Specifically the Middle Photo on the left side.)

Fireglide's head would essentially be facing forward with Flamewar holding the peg under their neck. My concern is the shape and size of Flamewar's arm might not let it be held well.

I see, that looks much better than my way. Yes the bow would be ridiculous large, but oh well, it will probably be close enough.

This is unexpected and unprecedented, but who cares, it's Flamewar and I'm getting it. She looks great, and the inclusion of the Battlemaster will help keep her weapon loadout unique from Arcee and Road Rocket.

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:Yes the bow would be ridiculous large, but oh well, it will probably be close enough.

To be fair, every bow Flamewar has ever come with has been ridiculously large.

Flamewar in Shattered Glass? Fine. The on her? Not so much. Better had it left blank.

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:

Gauntlet101010 wrote:

Flashwave wrote:

Gauntlet101010 wrote:Seems like a waste. Too similar to regular Flamewar. Did they just not have a slot for her so they figured SG could do double duty and be both regular and SG FW?

Well. I wouldn't have gotten it either way.

Most likely. That seems to be the MO for SG this wave. Slicer is doing the same thing and Ultra Magnus is pulling several homages out of his trailer

I know it's just toy releases and finding a place for them. I know that in my head. But in my heart it feels like we didn't get a proper SG toy out of this.

That said, the "proper" toy is likely Burn Out as SG Skids.

They have options. You can keep it as a Shattered Glass Flamewar, or you can add a decepticon logo and have regular flamewar. It is your choice, there is nothing wrong with that I think.

4th option: I don't get it because I'm limiting my collecting.

Nemesis Primal wrote:This is unexpected and unprecedented, but who cares, it's Flamewar and I'm getting it. She looks great, and the inclusion of the Battlemaster will help keep her weapon loadout unique from Arcee and Road Rocket.

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:Yes the bow would be ridiculous large, but oh well, it will probably be close enough.

To be fair, every bow Flamewar has ever come with has been ridiculously large.

Then it is perfect.

Gauntlet101010 wrote:

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:

Gauntlet101010 wrote:

Flashwave wrote:

Gauntlet101010 wrote:Seems like a waste. Too similar to regular Flamewar. Did they just not have a slot for her so they figured SG could do double duty and be both regular and SG FW?

Well. I wouldn't have gotten it either way.

Most likely. That seems to be the MO for SG this wave. Slicer is doing the same thing and Ultra Magnus is pulling several homages out of his trailer

I know it's just toy releases and finding a place for them. I know that in my head. But in my heart it feels like we didn't get a proper SG toy out of this.

That said, the "proper" toy is likely Burn Out as SG Skids.

They have options. You can keep it as a Shattered Glass Flamewar, or you can add a decepticon logo and have regular flamewar. It is your choice, there is nothing wrong with that I think.

4th option: I don't get it because I'm limiting my collecting.

Same here, but it looks nice anyway.

Yeah, I don't understand this either. It just seems like they want to pad out the Shattered Glass line for some reason.

Flamewar hasn't existed in SG before so the majority of people who are going to want this have to get a Flamewar with the wrong insignia. I mean I get the whole stand in for multiple versions idea, but if that's the case, just make her standard Flamewar and give her a red sticker. Heck, any figure can be a SG version if were doing it this way.

Oh finally! A Flamewar I can actually buy! Just gonna have to slap a Decepticon sticker on her and she's good!

Do you think we'll get a generations version of the TFCC combiner limb that showed up in the SG universe? It was originally an Energon combiner mold.

chuckdawg1999 wrote:Do you think we'll get a generations version of the TFCC combiner limb that showed up in the SG universe? It was originally an Energon combiner mold.

Probably not. The ideal time to have done that would have been back in Combiner Wars or in Power of the Primes. The latter especially since Nexus Prime is one of the Thirteen, which is what POTP was all about. But the current team at Hasbro doesn't seem to have any interest in that lore right now.

Sabrblade wrote:

chuckdawg1999 wrote:Do you think we'll get a generations version of the TFCC combiner limb that showed up in the SG universe? It was originally an Energon combiner mold.

Probably not. The ideal time to have done that would have been back in Combiner Wars or in Power of the Primes. The latter especially since Nexus Prime is one of the Thirteen, which is what POTP was all about. But the current team at Hasbro doesn't seem to have any interest in that lore right now.

I didn't mean the whole team, just the limb that ended up in the SG universe. Doesn't have to be a combiner since at the time it didn't combine.

chuckdawg1999 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

chuckdawg1999 wrote:Do you think we'll get a generations version of the TFCC combiner limb that showed up in the SG universe? It was originally an Energon combiner mold.

Probably not. The ideal time to have done that would have been back in Combiner Wars or in Power of the Primes. The latter especially since Nexus Prime is one of the Thirteen, which is what POTP was all about. But the current team at Hasbro doesn't seem to have any interest in that lore right now.

I didn't mean the whole team, just the limb that ended up in the SG universe. Doesn't have to be a combiner since at the time it didn't combine.

Either way, a new Heatwave would have to use the Combiner Wars Onslaught mold (he was the torso, not a limb), which would have best been used in either CW or POTP. And you know that if they make only one combiner component, fans will want the rest to complete the set.

Though, at the end of the old SG storyline, all five were reborn in that universe together as SG Decepticons.

2 prongs here, but take this as a positive with a personal critique.

I have been waiting for a Flamewar, and she looks perfect. Well done, they nailed her. the paint is stunningly good, and I love the bow inclusion. This is a figure I have been wanting.

My nitpick? Much like SS86, it feels like it just took a spot for something else as just a way to release it. i want her, very clearly I want her, but I don't like that her existence in this line may have come at the expense of someone else. This wave of SG in particular feels a bit like leftover from Gen Selects, which doesn't really make sense but is still happening

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:Flamewar in Shattered Glass? Fine. The on her? Not so much. Better had it left blank.

I wish their multipurpose figures had silver logos instead, then we could just pretend it's whatever color since they seem to be fine with the cost of extra heads made of plastic, but not sticky paper. Remember when they were releasing sticker sheets in Asia for customizing? More of that, Hasbro, just make them available on Pulse.

I'll be getting Flamewar, but she wont be in my Shattered Glass collection just like I wont have a SG Slicer either, just SG Wheeljack and G1 Slicer.

Emerje

The red Decepticon symbol doesn't bother me because someone like Flamewar would absolutely have a symbol burning in the color of fire and heat.

I am so glad that they had another use for that mold.
I love the mold
But I feel that it brings TFP Arcee down 2 levels.
If you have to make a re-make of an existing Figure, it has to at least, BARE MINIMUM, be as good as the original.
This was not that.

That's a damned good lookin' deco! I dig it!

~ Grim