Transformers Legacy Metalhawk and Twincast Revealed

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Hot Shot continues to baffle. I just can't get a good read on him. I am happy with him, he's just weird.

At 1st I wasn't impressed with him, he seemed just ok. I definitely think his vehicle mode could be better, it's too flat. And I have the Universe version with which I'm satisfied.

But the more shots of him I see, the more he's growing on me, especially in robot mode. If I see him in stores, I'll probably pick him up. Jolt would have been nice, I gladly would have paid voyager price if the little guy was included.

Metalhawk looks nice. Twincast is cool, but I wish I didn't have to double dip just to get Rewind (and why still with the translucent plastic??). I'd gladly pay Deluxe prices for a four pack of Blaster's cassettes (Steeljaw, Ramhorn, Sunder, Nightstalker, Stripes, Rosanna, etc).

I want Twincast purely for that Rewind in all honesty. Metalhawk looks cool, but I continue to hope for proper Pretenders one day.

I had a feeling they'd do Twincast later down the line, and I'll happily pick him up. I have Soundwave(Netflix version) and Blaster, but now I'll finally have the appropriate rival for my Soundblaster toy.
Also that Metalhawk looks pretty interesting, a good amount of retooling seems to have been done, can't wait to see more photos of him.

Stormshot_Prime wrote:I want Twincast purely for that Rewind in all honesty. Metalhawk looks cool, but I continue to hope for proper Pretenders one day.

I expect lots of lone Twincasts popping up on The Bay...

Bounti76 wrote:Metalhawk looks nice. Twincast is cool, but I wish I didn't have to double dip just to get Rewind (and why still with the translucent plastic??). I'd gladly pay Deluxe prices for a four pack of Blaster's cassettes (Steeljaw, Ramhorn, Sunder, Nightstalker, Stripes, Rosanna, etc).

Gang-molded with the window in the tape deck door.

I hope rewind is sold separately eventually, and if not it's whatever. I have Soundblaster, Soundwave, and Blaster and I like Blaster a lot but I don't really like Twincast, rival or not. Twincast was long overdue for an updated figure though, so happy for those that want him

Metalhawk is looking pretty cool, and I'm glad that the pretenders are different sizes. This way they can seem like their own faction and have some diversity, rather than all being core or all deluxe or all voyager. That would be so boring. Decepticon pretenders definitely need at least two more deluxes to flesh out their ranks, though. And if they do octopunch I hope he's a voyager. And of course more autobot pretenders would be needed to match up. I'm excited to see how Bludgeon ends up looking, whenever that's revealed

Twincast is as expected, but he really makes me wish we'd get a repainted Netflix Soundwave into Soundblaster. I have the two Siege repaints, but I still want a proper Headmasters Soundblaster.

Metalhawk is exactly as I expected (well, other than being based on Kingdom Cyclonus). The figure being based on the shell or including snap on armor never seemed like a possibility. We already know from BotCon that Transforming human shells just don't look right and snap on armor was never going to be an option at Voyager price unless we wanted a relatively small inner figure. From what we can see so far it looks like it'll be really good. Moving the wings from his forearms to the back of his upper arms is the right move and the further we get away from the IDW redesign the better! I suspect the alt mode will be a little closer to the Titans Return figure than anything else.

I'm really curious what his weapon will be. They don't show one in the photo, I can't imagine him coming with two guns so I'm thinking either something based on the shell's big gun or the sword.

Emerje

Logged in for the first time in 5 years to say:

I'm "those who managed to get in a preorder for the Legacy Voyager class Twincast and Metalhawk prior to the listings being taken down." - @nessingway

K. Unless something changes, See y'all in 5 more years.

Emerje wrote: Moving the wings from his forearms to the back of his upper arms is the right move and the further we get away from the IDW redesign the better!

God I forgot all about that design, I hope to never see or hear about it again after this!

Really disappointed about Metalhawk. It's the Pretender leader, sorta and Selects Cyclonus was already showing its age so I'm hoping the Hawk is good, but I doubt it.

Not sure if it's because I'm used to the TR deluxe,or just watching Masterforce a lot, but Voyager seems to big for Metalhawk but it seems that is the size Hasbro is going for for most leaders. The amount of accessories they come with or extra engineering determines if they are bumped up to Leader or Commander.

Razorbeast88 wrote:I hope rewind is sold separately eventually, and if not it's whatever.

Since they're redoing the Rumble and Frenzy cassettes, do we want them to continue with the smaller mold for Blaster's? I only ask because we aren't likely to see Rewind in the Core line without something extra and I doubt they'd double up. So they would certainly have to wait and do some type of 4-pk in Generations like the past one.

Personally I think I'm in favor of waiting for the newer molds to match Rumble's new size, at least for the bots, Steeljaw and Ramhorn could possibly get by without it.

o.supreme wrote:Not sure if it's because I'm used to the TR deluxe,or just watching Masterforce a lot, but Voyager seems to big for Metalhawk but it seems that is the size Hasbro is going for for most leaders. The amount of accessories they come with or extra engineering determines if they are bumped up to Leader or Commander.

Now that you mention it, yeah, if they ever end up making new toys of Landmine/Lander, Waverider/Diver, and/or Cloudburst/Phoenix, Metalhawk will be much bigger than his pals, whom he's supposed to be the same size as.

Then again, they did also just do this same thing to Skullgrin towering over both Iguanus and Bomb-Burst, so I guess Hasbro just doesn't care, unfortunately.

Who knows, since this metalhawk is based only on the inner bot, maybe a 3rd party will make a giant shell for him or an upgrade kit to resemble the shell

Till-all-R1 wrote:

Razorbeast88 wrote:I hope rewind is sold separately eventually, and if not it's whatever.

Since they're redoing the Rumble and Frenzy cassettes, do we want them to continue with the smaller mold for Blaster's? I only ask because we aren't likely to see Rewind in the Core line without something extra and I doubt they'd double up. So they would certainly have to wait and do some type of 4-pk in Generations like the past one.

Personally I think I'm in favor of waiting for the newer molds to match Rumble's new size, at least for the bots, Steeljaw and Ramhorn could possibly get by without it.

That would be awesome! Absolutely yes, bring on the core class cassettes!! I'd rather pay extra for the higher quality figures that still fit in Soundwave/Blaster, I love my minions!

Razorbeast88 wrote:I hope rewind is sold separately eventually

This will never, ever happen. Because like Eject, that cassette minion is molded WITH the voyager Blaster/Twincast.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Razorbeast88 wrote:I hope rewind is sold separately eventually

This will never, ever happen. Because like Eject, that cassette minion is molded WITH the voyager Blaster/Twincast.

Unless they meant for rewind to get a Core re-do like Rumble did

ZeroWolf wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Razorbeast88 wrote:I hope rewind is sold separately eventually

This will never, ever happen. Because like Eject, that cassette minion is molded WITH the voyager Blaster/Twincast.

Unless they meant for rewind to get a Core re-do like Rumble did

That's a wholly different thing.
But I won't bet on it.

Sabrblade wrote:

o.supreme wrote:Not sure if it's because I'm used to the TR deluxe,or just watching Masterforce a lot, but Voyager seems to big for Metalhawk but it seems that is the size Hasbro is going for for most leaders. The amount of accessories they come with or extra engineering determines if they are bumped up to Leader or Commander.

Now that you mention it, yeah, if they ever end up making new toys of Landmine/Lander, Waverider/Diver, and/or Cloudburst/Phoenix, Metalhawk will be much bigger than his pals, whom he's supposed to be the same size as.

Then again, they did also just do this same thing to Skullgrin towering over both Iguanus and Bomb-Burst, so I guess Hasbro just doesn't care, unfortunately.

We've had an obsessive devotion to scale in Generations in WfC and Studio Series, so I'm glad Hasbro is finally moving past that. It's not like that many people around the globe have ever watched Masterforce anyway. The difference between Voyager and Deluxe height is negligible, especially since there are short and tall Deluxes. Put down the rulers, y'all, and play with your toys.

The 'devotion' to scale is exactly what attracted me to the both WFC and SS lines and was one of the main reasons I refused to have an G1 collection with a giant shockwave standing taller than a devastaor on the same shelf it just looks naff.

As a faction leader/commander i'm more than happy for Metal Hawk to be slightly bigger than the other Pretenders but a core BombBurst next to a deluxe Skullgrin is just annoying.

The Twincast looks neat. No clue why Eject is still clear, he reminds me of that trash Ross clothes hanger plastic, looks terrible. Metalhawk was quite the genious idea. I looked up an image of his cartoon model, and he's got it down. Glad to see them going with the inner robot. I don't like the "modern" pretender updates.

I tried to look it up and see if someone already made a custom like this, and surprisingly didn't find one (yet). I did find this:

After a little digging, I found a digbash:

Coptur wrote:The 'devotion' to scale is exactly what attracted me to the both WFC and SS lines and was one of the main reasons I refused to have an G1 collection with a giant shockwave standing taller than a devastaor on the same shelf it just looks naff.

As a faction leader/commander i'm more than happy for Metal Hawk to be slightly bigger than the other Pretenders but a core BombBurst next to a deluxe Skullgrin is just annoying.

Didn't the original pretenders have a scale relative to each other, with some bigger (or with more layers of armor)? What about scale based on that in comparison with the cores, deluxes and voyagers.

Trying to change the hue for a alt mode dig bash I created a golden Cyclonus instead

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Thanks to Big Bad Toy Store, we have news that those who managed to get in a preorder for the Legacy Voyager class Twincast and Metalhawk prior to the listings being taken down have been given a sneak peak at both figures robot modes.

Twincast is a straightforward repaint of Blaster in Headmaster's Twincast colors, complete with his gun and Rewind to complement the original Eject. Notably, this is the first generations update for Twincast, as unlike Soundblaster he has remained more obscure in the modern Transformers world.

Metalhawk is a bit more interesting, seeing as he appears to be a retool of Kingdom Cyclonus, with a robot mode focus in on his inner pretender shell robot form, with no "fleshy human" components like his old Botcon toy.

Both of these toys are anticipated to be revealed during tomorrow's Transformers livestream, starting at 11:00 AM EST.

Check out the pictures below, and let us know what you think in the comments section below!

Seriously, Hasbro? You’re going to force me to buy another voyager I don’t want JUST to get Rewind? I am getting really tired of this tactic (Frenzy in the Siege line, Earthrise Ratchet, etc.)

Interesting, they're actually confirming some of the computer listing leaks right now on the stream: Beachcomber, Devcon, Junkion "Axelgrease", Dirge repack, Nemesis Leo Prime, Armada Megatron.

Also confirmed a normal classic colored Holiday Optimus Prime.

They also joked around about a Optimus Prime as a firetruck but not confirming anything.

Emerje

Today's fanstream went through a lot of reveals but many had already been revealed by Hasbro before, like all the Studio Series toys. However Freezer's alt modes were further revealed. The Bulk of the reveals came from the Legacy Evolution line. The toys presented can be preordered today but they also confirmed some other toys coming in the pipeline. You can see a list of those makred accordingly below.

Reveals for Legacy Evolution

Core Grimlock becomes leg for Volcanicus
Core Nemesis Prime with new axe weapon
Core Thundercracker with null rays

Deluxe Crashbar, new Junkion character named by Mark
Redecos of these modular Junkions are teased
Deluxe Shrapnel
Deluxe crosscut, the red wheels are because they are o the same plastic tree as the hands which needed to be red. Mark admits he was apprehensive about the red wheels.
Deluxe Animated Prowl

Voyager Metalhawk, based on the Cyclonus mold
Voyager Twincast has a different smirking face sculpt and comes with Rewind

Leader Skyquake which is a merge of G1 and Prime design and has tabs for Needlenose to dock onto (as we previously saw).

Reveals of toys in the pipeline (no indication aside from names and some character art):

Beachcomber
Devcon
Axelgrease (Editor note: this is probably the deluxe car that looks like Lockdown)
voyager Dirge rerelease
"Nemesis Leo Prime"
Armada Megatron

Classic deco Optimus Prime using the Volvo truck mold from the Holiday Prime. With this truck being the most common one many see on the street, it would make sense that this would be Optimus' alt mode if he awakened on earth today.

Just and FYI from the Hasbro team, February will be a light month for reveals but they will be back in a big way in March.

So, I have to say, as far as livestreams go, this was probably one of the best for Transformers. Not necessarily based on how good the reveals were, (only 2 items from all revealed this morning I plan on purchasing) but on the format. It was concise. They showcased a reveal, talked for a minute, and moved on. The whole program was less than 40 minutes. The "reveals" took about 30, so there was a little padding at the end they could have trimmed, but we have seen it be far worse in the past. The "through the spacebridge" segment was an awesome addition, basically just confirming some of what has been shown on leaked lists, and what we can look forward to in the future. No unnecessary mobile app game adverts, etc... This team is coming together well in there presenting. I look forward to future livestreams. (They said March for some exclusives, cant wait!)

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:The Twincast looks neat. No clue why Eject is still clear, he reminds me of that trash Ross clothes hanger plastic, looks terrible. Metalhawk was quite the genious idea. I looked up an image of his cartoon model, and he's got it down. Glad to see them going with the inner robot. I don't like the "modern" pretender updates.

I tried to look it up and see if someone already made a custom like this, and surprisingly didn't find one (yet). I did find this:

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As pointed out a few posts above yours, Eject is gang molded with Twincasts tape deck door, which is also clear plastic .

Oh God no please kill me no

It's even worse!

Hallelujah

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:It's even worse!

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It's a $10 dollar (or less) toy that also serves as a leg for Combiner. Compared to the last time Hasbro tried to make a Combiner on a budget, this is great.

ZeroWolf wrote:

RodimusPrimeUkraine1 wrote:It's even worse!

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It's a $10 dollar (or less) toy that also serves as a leg for Combiner. Compared to the last time Hasbro tried to make a Combiner on a budget, this is great.

In the words of a gen z teenager, "Bro looks like a toddler ready to play army"

Overall it was a good reveal session.

Metal hawk is perfect
Glad to have the others officially revealed
Grimlock is...well
Shrapnel's robot mode is amazing, not so much for his alt mode. I'd say the old legends figure does better there.
Still don't know why they ruined the movie designs

Sabrblade wrote:

o.supreme wrote:Not sure if it's because I'm used to the TR deluxe,or just watching Masterforce a lot, but Voyager seems to big for Metalhawk but it seems that is the size Hasbro is going for for most leaders. The amount of accessories they come with or extra engineering determines if they are bumped up to Leader or Commander.

Now that you mention it, yeah, if they ever end up making new toys of Landmine/Lander, Waverider/Diver, and/or Cloudburst/Phoenix, Metalhawk will be much bigger than his pals, whom he's supposed to be the same size as.

Then again, they did also just do this same thing to Skullgrin towering over both Iguanus and Bomb-Burst, so I guess Hasbro just doesn't care, unfortunately.

With the core class Bomb-Burst and Iguanas, I guess the case could be made that they are "smaller representations" just like Prime, Megatron etc... But with Skullgrin being Deluxe, and now Metalhawk being a Voyager yeah that is unfortunate.

However I grabbed this shot from the opening of MF. Metalhawk is almost as tall a Ginrai in standard form (basically Optimus Prime). I know Cyclonus is a tall Voyager (especially with the rabbit ears), so it will basically be decision I have to wait on until people have Metalhawk in hand. If he is taller than say ER/Kingdom Prime, I'm not sure if I'll make the purchase, but if he is the same height, or a bit shorter, I can probably work with it.

AcademyofDrX wrote:We've had an obsessive devotion to scale in Generations in WfC and Studio Series, so I'm glad Hasbro is finally moving past that. The difference between Voyager and Deluxe height is negligible, especially since there are short and tall Deluxes. Put down the rulers, y'all, and play with your toys.

No offense toy your collecting style but I prefer the slight differences in height, I don't want bumble bee to be the same height as Smokescreen, or Jazz being the same height as Ironhide or Prime etc.

Emerje wrote:Interesting, they're actually confirming some of the computer listing leaks right now on the stream: Beachcomber, Devcon, Junkion "Axelgrease", Dirge repack, Nemesis Leo Prime, Armada Megatron.

Also confirmed a normal classic colored Holiday Optimus Prime.

They also joked around about a Optimus Prime as a firetruck but not confirming anything.

Emerje

We are getting a firetruck Prime next year with the Voyager animated Prime. So more of a hint than a joke.

There isn't much here that really catches my eye, Prowl is the only one I've pre-ordered, I may get Skyquake too, and while Metalhawk does look good I'm undecided on getting him. I find it hilarious that they felt the need for that "Through the Space Bridge" segment of upcoming reveals, it's like they're admitting that the leaks are way ahead of them but they don't actually want to bring attention to said leaks. Either way, I'm excited for Armada Megatron and I might even pick up Dirge if I can.

Crashbar's name makes me think of a certain song by the Clash. Know which one? Gotta make it a point to get all Junkions...

And Grimlock what did they do to you? Seriously tho, I understand the reasoning and it does fit with a trend of (parts of) Grimlock's rear half needing to be bigger when a Combiner (him not being a "boxy" shape like the others plays a part in that), but still... You know, I may get them just because I like them as a case study in complex toy designs. Besides, Bandai's Super Sentai/Power Rangers toys, specifically the separate humanoid ones (Shogun, Zeo and Turbo) weren't that much different. Snarl or Swoop should be next, with Skar last.

Skyquake has my attention, because I really like Prime Dreadwing's design. I may wait for redecos though, especially if a G1 EU colored one is in the pipeline.

So, Twincast has the retooled smirk face that showed up awhile back on a normal Blaster by mistake, which everyone thought was either a photoshopped hoax or meant for SG Blaster.

They also said that he's not Blaster himself, but a Shockwave-made clone that went awry.

I like that Skyquake, and since I have breakage issues with the original mold, this would be a good way of adding him to my prime collection. My only issue is the size. Were Dreadwing and Skyquake larger/taller than megatron? I thought they were around the same height.

And that Grimlock is not great but this is further proof that while the designers do think of fans when making a lot of these figures, we do not figure much in them designing the core class. It's very much for a different market than the fans not finding it good looking.

Grimlock is mistransformed in the official stock photography. Here's how he's supposed to look:

Nothing really stood out to me, some nice looking Bots no doubt, just not in my collecting focus.
I do think the mix and match with Junkions is cool feature I'm just waiting for the moment it no longer works well, hence wear & tear. Once they get more to work with the options could be really cool.

That said Crosscut was kind of neat for a repaint, and Shrapnel looked good. I won't be getting because I already have the older Legends versions and they work better for me.

The only thing that really piqued my interest was the pipeline reveal of Devcon.

Sabrblade wrote:Grimlock is mistransformed in the official stock photography. Here's how he's supposed to look:

In short, the gun isn't attached to the "tail".

Skyquake is a definite pickup. Looks awesome.

Nemesis is well nemesis. nothing to write home about.

Grimlock is o.k. Maybe I'll pick him up. just because he's Grimlock and I have a thing about getting Grimlocks.

Crosscut does nothing for me, easy pass.

I like Shrapnel, and since I already have Kickback, I can't just skip him.

Twincast is o.k. But don't have any real attachment to him, so unless he's deeply clearances I probably won't bother.

And I'll probably break down and get Metalhawk. I just love how they just rotated Cyclonus' arms forward for his jet mode, and gave him a new cockpit / nose cone. Means I can just rotate them back and have a steak back swept wing look.

Really great use of Cyclonus here.

Well I guess "Holiday Prime in normal Optimus colors" sorts out the mystery of that "EVO Leader Optimus" listing that no one knew anything about.

I'm impressed by how different they made Metalhawk's alt mode be compared to Cyclonus, and he's got more accessories to boot? Yeah, he'll definitely be a buy from me.

Surprised by how hench Shrapnel looks. I was kinda expecting/pulling for electricity blast effects, but bug leg guns are cool too. I can't find any eyes on his alt mode though, which is weirding me out (although not enough that I intend to skip him, it's my only real critique). The assumed Chop Shop from this is gonna look niiiice.

None of these Cores appeal to me, but I already knew that would be the case when the names leaked. Cool to see Nemesis has the axe from Optimus's instructions though.

Prowl & Skyquake still look great, as does Crashbar (he's a real boy now, he's got a name and everything), and I guess I'm still getting Twincast for Rewind.

Might grab Crosscut if he goes on sale like Skids has? The red wheels are still weird but they're basically my only complaint.

So they made a point of saying that those pipeline reveals aren't necessarily the next wave....but according to the product numbers and leaks we have, Armada Megs, Beachcomber, and Devcon are all definitely next wave, so are the Voyagers out of order or was that statement a meaningless disclaimer? Also, is Axlegrease gonna be the remaining Deluxe Junkion or the Voyager....

Of the figures we have images of, Shrapnel and Skyquake are the most appealing ones to me here.

Twincast is tempting, but I can't justify buying a whole voyager figure just for Rewind.

The new additions look great. Especially Metalhawk, Skyquake and Shrapnel.