Top 5 Best Cliffjumper Transformers Toys
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Top 5 Best Cliffjumper toys
With Cliffjumper having a surprise appearance in the Bumblebee movie I figured we were due for a rundown of the best Cliffjumper toys in the past. What's funny about Cliff is that due to also turning into a small car and having a similar look to Bumblebee in robot mode (horn helmet), they usually share the same mold. It even happened in the Bumblebee film where his body was the same as Bumblebee's on Cybertron. Sometimes it works and it's awesome and sometimes he has a totally different mold and it's even more awesome. Since there have been great toys attributed to Cliffjumper in the past, some of these toys were already discussed in the past and thus certain entries will feel familiar.
5. Transformers G1 1984 Cliffjumper (Cliff)
I just love how cute it is. Transformers was doing super deformed before it was cool (granted, it all came from Japan, so it makes sense) and G1 Cliffjumper is a perfect example of that notion done right with an adorable Porshe. As someone who did not grow up with G1, I had assumed that Cliffjumper was always a similar mold to Bumblebee (since that is what he has become since) but with the G1 toy, we can see the individuality of the design, especially in the cute car mode. - William-James88
4. Transformers (2007) Cliffjumper
The 2007 Camaro Concept figure is actually a masterpiece in its own right. It also happens to be the only Movie Deluxe Cliffjumper we have up to now. Robot mode has a lot of articulation, and while it may feel like a caveman compared to the future incarnations of Bee, it is still a stand up figure. The Gun/Blade that Cliffjumper wields almost makes Mechtech look like its ancestor. The gaudy teal of the Allspark Battles looks far from tacky on Cliffjumper, instead highlighting some of his aesthetics and adding a bit more flare to his colour scheme.Bottom line, it's the movie-verse. There are explosions, big guns, and Decepticons flying everywhere as plot-armor Autobots blow them into pieces. And this is Cliffjumper. The bot who has got enough weaponry to make explosions and blow up plot-armor Decepticons to bits.
- Blurrz (originally published here)
3. Transformers Prime: Cyberverse Cliffjumper
Would you believe that the best legion figure of all time happens to be of Cliffjumper? Well it is.
I think many Legion/Legends aficionados would agree that this mold takes the cake. A bitchin' muscle car alt mode, a mind blowing transformation, and the best articulated robot mode there is in this size class. The way the arms fold up into the hood, using the arms points of articulation is a stroke of micro-engineering genius. Then there are the feet. Not only do they have forward and back rocking motion, but the have ANKLE TILT! If this figure had hip and head swivel the world of Transformers might just implode on itself.
- Cobotron
2.Transformers Classics Cliffjumper
Classics Cliffjumper is both a great toy and an important Cliffjumper for me. He's important because of his role in one of my favorite Fictional Universes ever: Shattered Glass. It was the Classics Cliff that made it into the story, and served as a great character and source of entertainment for the duration of the story.
Now as for the toy, it is something special and unique to me. For one thing, that alt mode is very bouncy and fun, yet the no windows with actual seat backs and wave rider trailer make for a really cool look, like he intends to have some fun and take care of some business. The opening hood effect thanks to his transformation is neat, and he is a good looking hatchback, I like it. The transformation itself is very fun, standing him up yet pulling in some nice design cues, such as how the arms work and the chest flipping down from the rest of the hatchback. I also like how the seats become knee pads. Robot mode is fun, very sort of inflated in a good way. The red and silver are very nice, and even though he doesn't have a Cliffjumper only head design, it's still good and works for him. The waverider trailer is kinda lame, but still fun, and I enjoy the jetpack idea with him. I also enjoy rolling him around, since he does have those wheels in his heels. Classics gave us a great figure, and I will be keeping him into the foreseeable future. He is too much fun not to love.
1. Transformers Prime: First Edition Cliffjumper mold in all his iterations!
That feeling of transforming this toy for the first time and seeing how all the parts came together is a feeling I only ever had since when dealing with Masterpiece toys. And this toy was a toy made for mass retail (he only cost some fans $5 in the States). You look at the image and wonder how the front of the awesome looking 70s Charger type vehicle could end up right under the windshield, considering how long the car's front it, and yet it comes together perfectly in that very last step. The other Prime Cliffjumper deluxe couldn't be bothers and just has a fake chest. But that is not all, as mentioned you have the sweet looking car mode with the bull horns in the front both referencing the bot mode head and the Brahma Bull himself who provided the voice. And the you have the brilliant gun hand transformation mimicking what we see on the show and you got yourself a true winner. Who would have thought of all characters, it would be Cliffjumper to be given such an amazing treatment in Prime with a new design (nothing resembling Bumblebee) and such a stellar toy. - William-James88
Honourable mentions: Animated Cliffjumper, I just find his mug so darn adorable!
Transformers Animated Cliffjumper Gallery
Top 5 Best Cliffjumper toys
With Cliffjumper having a surprise appearance in the Bumblebee movie I figured we were due for a rundown of the best Cliffjumper toys in the past. What's funny about Cliff is that due to also turning into a small car and having a similar look to Bumblebee in robot mode (horn helmet), they usually share the same mold. It even happened in the Bumblebee film where his body was the same as Bumblebee's on Cybertron. Sometimes it works and it's awesome and sometimes he has a totally different mold and it's even more awesome. Since there have been great toys attributed to Cliffjumper in the past, some of these toys were already discussed in the past and thus certain entries will feel familiar.
5. Transformers G1 1984 Cliffjumper (Cliff)
I just love how cute it is. Transformers was doing super deformed before it was cool (granted, it all came from Japan, so it makes sense) and G1 Cliffjumper is a perfect example of that notion done right with an adorable Porshe. As someone who did not grow up with G1, I had assumed that Cliffjumper was always a similar mold to Bumblebee (since that is what he has become since) but with the G1 toy, we can see the individuality of the design, especially in the cute car mode. - William-James88
4. Transformers (2007) Cliffjumper
The 2007 Camaro Concept figure is actually a masterpiece in its own right. It also happens to be the only Movie Deluxe Cliffjumper we have up to now. Robot mode has a lot of articulation, and while it may feel like a caveman compared to the future incarnations of Bee, it is still a stand up figure. The Gun/Blade that Cliffjumper wields almost makes Mechtech look like its ancestor. The gaudy teal of the Allspark Battles looks far from tacky on Cliffjumper, instead highlighting some of his aesthetics and adding a bit more flare to his colour scheme.Bottom line, it's the movie-verse. There are explosions, big guns, and Decepticons flying everywhere as plot-armor Autobots blow them into pieces. And this is Cliffjumper. The bot who has got enough weaponry to make explosions and blow up plot-armor Decepticons to bits.
- Blurrz (originally published here)
3. Transformers Prime: Cyberverse Cliffjumper
Would you believe that the best legion figure of all time happens to be of Cliffjumper? Well it is.
I think many Legion/Legends aficionados would agree that this mold takes the cake. A bitchin' muscle car alt mode, a mind blowing transformation, and the best articulated robot mode there is in this size class. The way the arms fold up into the hood, using the arms points of articulation is a stroke of micro-engineering genius. Then there are the feet. Not only do they have forward and back rocking motion, but the have ANKLE TILT! If this figure had hip and head swivel the world of Transformers might just implode on itself.
- Cobotron
2.Transformers Classics Cliffjumper
Classics Cliffjumper is both a great toy and an important Cliffjumper for me. He's important because of his role in one of my favorite Fictional Universes ever: Shattered Glass. It was the Classics Cliff that made it into the story, and served as a great character and source of entertainment for the duration of the story.
Now as for the toy, it is something special and unique to me. For one thing, that alt mode is very bouncy and fun, yet the no windows with actual seat backs and wave rider trailer make for a really cool look, like he intends to have some fun and take care of some business. The opening hood effect thanks to his transformation is neat, and he is a good looking hatchback, I like it. The transformation itself is very fun, standing him up yet pulling in some nice design cues, such as how the arms work and the chest flipping down from the rest of the hatchback. I also like how the seats become knee pads. Robot mode is fun, very sort of inflated in a good way. The red and silver are very nice, and even though he doesn't have a Cliffjumper only head design, it's still good and works for him. The waverider trailer is kinda lame, but still fun, and I enjoy the jetpack idea with him. I also enjoy rolling him around, since he does have those wheels in his heels. Classics gave us a great figure, and I will be keeping him into the foreseeable future. He is too much fun not to love.
1. Transformers Prime: First Edition Cliffjumper mold in all his iterations!
That feeling of transforming this toy for the first time and seeing how all the parts came together is a feeling I only ever had since when dealing with Masterpiece toys. And this toy was a toy made for mass retail (he only cost some fans $5 in the States). You look at the image and wonder how the front of the awesome looking 70s Charger type vehicle could end up right under the windshield, considering how long the car's front it, and yet it comes together perfectly in that very last step. The other Prime Cliffjumper deluxe couldn't be bothers and just has a fake chest. But that is not all, as mentioned you have the sweet looking car mode with the bull horns in the front both referencing the bot mode head and the Brahma Bull himself who provided the voice. And the you have the brilliant gun hand transformation mimicking what we see on the show and you got yourself a true winner. Who would have thought of all characters, it would be Cliffjumper to be given such an amazing treatment in Prime with a new design (nothing resembling Bumblebee) and such a stellar toy. - William-James88
Honourable mentions: Animated Cliffjumper, I just find his mug so darn adorable!
Transformers Animated Cliffjumper Gallery
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Re: Top 5 Best Cliffjumper Transformers Toys (2002867)
Posted by Flashwave on January 5th, 2019 @ 10:05pm CST
Posted by Flashwave on January 5th, 2019 @ 10:05pm CST
100% this list, although I much prefer the GDO G1 head to his Prime Noggin. I gave mine the other Prime figure's hammer gun to be thr Glass Gas Gun just because I could
The Classics Bee/Cliff mold is still a favorite of mine and I am struggling because of it to find a good "Generations" Bee, with so many versions of Bee taking the Modern Muscle Car look and yet that toy is just so fun. It does a nice job of updating the original design and the rear wheel swivel trick is quite cool for a then 10 dollar toy. (Top 5 idea: Cool transformation tricks) And for how old that mold is that either speaks well for itsself or speaks to how poor the options for Bee are, but I'll go woth the former.
The Classics Bee/Cliff mold is still a favorite of mine and I am struggling because of it to find a good "Generations" Bee, with so many versions of Bee taking the Modern Muscle Car look and yet that toy is just so fun. It does a nice job of updating the original design and the rear wheel swivel trick is quite cool for a then 10 dollar toy. (Top 5 idea: Cool transformation tricks) And for how old that mold is that either speaks well for itsself or speaks to how poor the options for Bee are, but I'll go woth the former.
Re: Top 5 Best Cliffjumper Transformers Toys (2002869)
Posted by Quantum Surge on January 5th, 2019 @ 10:14pm CST
Posted by Quantum Surge on January 5th, 2019 @ 10:14pm CST
As soon as I saw the tweet that links to this page, I had a feeling that the First Edition Cliffjumper would be number 1, and I immensely agree. I wish mine didn't have his grille butt break, though at least it's the GDO version. I'd be more upset if it was the FE because it's DWAYNE "THE ROCK" JOHNSON! Speaking of, I wish his BB cameo had his head match up with his TFP counterpart so he can homage the FOC head swap.
Re: Top 5 Best Cliffjumper Transformers Toys (2002870)
Posted by Ultra Markus on January 5th, 2019 @ 10:17pm CST
Posted by Ultra Markus on January 5th, 2019 @ 10:17pm CST
Im surprised that the GDO or the WFC cliffjumper didn't make the list
Re: Top 5 Best Cliffjumper Transformers Toys (2002871)
Posted by william-james88 on January 5th, 2019 @ 10:18pm CST
Hell yeah man! That transformation trick list idea is good, I will give it some thought when I have a minute. And yeah, GDO cliff is defintiely included in the number 1 spot but I wish Seibertron had a gallery of it so that I could have also added a pic of the head.
Posted by william-james88 on January 5th, 2019 @ 10:18pm CST
Flashwave wrote:100% this list, although I much prefer the GDO G1 head to his Prime Noggin. I gave mine the other Prime figure's hammer gun to be thr Glass Gas Gun just because I could
The Classics Bee/Cliff mold is still a favorite of mine and I am struggling because of it to find a good "Generations" Bee, with so many versions of Bee taking the Modern Muscle Car look and yet that toy is just so fun. It does a nice job of updating the original design and the rear wheel swivel trick is quite cool for a then 10 dollar toy. (Top 5 idea: Cool transformation tricks) And for how old that mold is that either speaks well for itsself or speaks to how poor the options for Bee are, but I'll go woth the former.
Hell yeah man! That transformation trick list idea is good, I will give it some thought when I have a minute. And yeah, GDO cliff is defintiely included in the number 1 spot but I wish Seibertron had a gallery of it so that I could have also added a pic of the head.
Re: Top 5 Best Cliffjumper Transformers Toys (2002872)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on January 5th, 2019 @ 10:25pm CST
GDO was covered with the First Edition "in all its iterations", all that's different is the head.
Alternity Cliff is also absent, but...
Transformers Alternity Cliffjumper (Supreme Red Pearl) (Cliff (Supreme Red Pearl)) Gallery
Such a shame Cliffjumper is a mere shadow of Bumblebee, he deserves much better than that.
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on January 5th, 2019 @ 10:25pm CST
Ultra Markus wrote:Im surprised that the GDO or the WFC cliffjumper didn't make the list
GDO was covered with the First Edition "in all its iterations", all that's different is the head.
Alternity Cliff is also absent, but...Transformers Alternity Cliffjumper (Supreme Red Pearl) (Cliff (Supreme Red Pearl)) Gallery
Such a shame Cliffjumper is a mere shadow of Bumblebee, he deserves much better than that.
Re: Top 5 Best Cliffjumper Transformers Toys (2002874)
Posted by Prime Target on January 5th, 2019 @ 10:28pm CST
Posted by Prime Target on January 5th, 2019 @ 10:28pm CST
What about the Combiner Wars Legion Cliffjumper (Universe 2.0 Bumblebee repaint), 2008 70s Camaro legends Cliffjumper, The 2010 Generations WFC Cliffjumper and the Bumblebee VW Bug Cliffjumper? All four came from great ,if underrated, molds and even though they're all just repaints/Slight retools they all radiate the spirit of the character really well.
Re: Top 5 Best Cliffjumper Transformers Toys (2002876)
Posted by william-james88 on January 5th, 2019 @ 10:46pm CST
Would you replace any of the toys on this top 5 list with any that you mentioned?
Posted by william-james88 on January 5th, 2019 @ 10:46pm CST
Prime Target wrote:What about the Combiner Wars Legion Cliffjumper (Universe 2.0 Bumblebee repaint), 2008 70s Camaro legends Cliffjumper, The 2010 Generations WFC Cliffjumper and the Bumblebee VW Bug Cliffjumper? All four came from great ,if underrated, molds and even though they're all just repaints/Slight retools they all radiate the spirit of the character really well.
Would you replace any of the toys on this top 5 list with any that you mentioned?
Re: Top 5 Best Cliffjumper Transformers Toys (2002878)
Posted by Sabrblade on January 5th, 2019 @ 11:00pm CST
Posted by Sabrblade on January 5th, 2019 @ 11:00pm CST
It is such a shame that Fun Pub never gave us a new Tap-Out redecoed from the GDO Cliffjumper toy.
Re: Top 5 Best Cliffjumper Transformers Toys (2002879)
Posted by no-one on January 5th, 2019 @ 11:06pm CST
Posted by no-one on January 5th, 2019 @ 11:06pm CST
Three out of five are just Beedecos, always a bridesmaid.
I'd replace any of the Bee molds with the PRiD CliffyJ. That mold in some ways is more screen accurate than the FE, generally a lot of fun to transform & pose and has a nice tight alt-mode. That hammer gun is just crazy go nuts.
I'd replace any of the Bee molds with the PRiD CliffyJ. That mold in some ways is more screen accurate than the FE, generally a lot of fun to transform & pose and has a nice tight alt-mode. That hammer gun is just crazy go nuts.
Re: Top 5 Best Cliffjumper Transformers Toys (2002882)
Posted by william-james88 on January 5th, 2019 @ 11:24pm CST
I demand a recount!
Posted by william-james88 on January 5th, 2019 @ 11:24pm CST
carytheone wrote:Three out of five are just Beedecos, always a bridesmaid.
I demand a recount!
Re: Top 5 Best Cliffjumper Transformers Toys (2002884)
Posted by durroth on January 5th, 2019 @ 11:33pm CST
Posted by durroth on January 5th, 2019 @ 11:33pm CST
now if only hasbro would stop killing cliffjumper off as fast as they possibly can x.x
Re: Top 5 Best Cliffjumper Transformers Toys (2002888)
Posted by Ultra Markus on January 6th, 2019 @ 12:31am CST
yeah, i agree besides the G1 and Prime versions Cliffjumper really doesn't have his own mold
here is to hoping that they somehow can get an MP version of Cliffjumper sometime in the future
Posted by Ultra Markus on January 6th, 2019 @ 12:31am CST
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Ultra Markus wrote:Im surprised that the GDO or the WFC cliffjumper didn't make the list
GDO was covered with the First Edition "in all its iterations", all that's different is the head.
Transformers Alternity Cliffjumper (Supreme Red Pearl) (Cliff (Supreme Red Pearl)) Gallery
Such a shame Cliffjumper is a mere shadow of Bumblebee, he deserves much better than that.
yeah, i agree besides the G1 and Prime versions Cliffjumper really doesn't have his own mold
here is to hoping that they somehow can get an MP version of Cliffjumper sometime in the future
Re: Top 5 Best Cliffjumper Transformers Toys (2002894)
Posted by Rodimus Prime on January 6th, 2019 @ 2:11am CST
Posted by Rodimus Prime on January 6th, 2019 @ 2:11am CST
I'm also surprised that WFC Cliffjumper isn't on the list. Sure it's another Bee repaint, but it's a damn good figure, and the only Cliffjumper I ever owned.
Re: Top 5 Best Cliffjumper Transformers Toys (2002904)
Posted by Jeddostotle7 on January 6th, 2019 @ 4:42am CST
That brings up a dilemma - if a Masterpiece Cliffjumper would be made, would his vehicle mode be a realistically-proportioned Porsche 924, or the superdeformed penny racer one of the toy and cartoon?
Posted by Jeddostotle7 on January 6th, 2019 @ 4:42am CST
Ultra Markus wrote:[here is to hoping that they somehow can get an MP version of Cliffjumper sometime in the future
That brings up a dilemma - if a Masterpiece Cliffjumper would be made, would his vehicle mode be a realistically-proportioned Porsche 924, or the superdeformed penny racer one of the toy and cartoon?
Re: Top 5 Best Cliffjumper Transformers Toys (2002909)
Posted by no-one on January 6th, 2019 @ 5:08am CST
Posted by no-one on January 6th, 2019 @ 5:08am CST
Probably because - https://www.seibertron.com/transformers ... oys/36711/Rodimus Prime wrote:I'm also surprised that WFC Cliffjumper isn't on the list. Sure it's another Bee repaint, but it's a damn good figure, and the only Cliffjumper I ever owned.
Re: Top 5 Best Cliffjumper Transformers Toys (2002913)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on January 6th, 2019 @ 5:32am CST
Posted by -Kanrabat- on January 6th, 2019 @ 5:32am CST
I knew the top picks would be the Cyberverse Legion and Prime 1st Edition. I'd take down the Classic at #3 and you'd get a perfect list.
Also:
Also:
-- Oh no! They killed Cliffjumper!
-- YOU BASTARDS!
Re: Top 5 Best Cliffjumper Transformers Toys (2002915)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on January 6th, 2019 @ 5:36am CST
I never got this. Why people have such a hard time transforming that mold? I don't have much patience myself and I always transformed my WFC Bee with ease and glee.
Posted by -Kanrabat- on January 6th, 2019 @ 5:36am CST
carytheone wrote:Probably because - https://www.seibertron.com/transformers ... oys/36711/Rodimus Prime wrote:I'm also surprised that WFC Cliffjumper isn't on the list. Sure it's another Bee repaint, but it's a damn good figure, and the only Cliffjumper I ever owned.
I never got this. Why people have such a hard time transforming that mold? I don't have much patience myself and I always transformed my WFC Bee with ease and glee.
Re: Top 5 Best Cliffjumper Transformers Toys (2002921)
Posted by Emerje on January 6th, 2019 @ 6:57am CST
Posted by Emerje on January 6th, 2019 @ 6:57am CST
Straight Bumblebee repaints have no place on my list, feels like an insult to Cliffjumper. So here's my list. 
5) Energon Cliffjumper - Yep, I went there. Who said Cliffjumper had to be a little red car? Or look G1? Good bot mode, great alt mode, an OK torso mode, and one of the best leg modes.
4) Alternity Cliffjumper - Nice modernization, only real issue I had was that he's a bit wide and they could have him a bit flatter. At least he got a new head.
3) G1 Cliffjumper - I mean, we probably wouldn't have this list if they hadn't done such a good job on their first try. Unlike G1 Bumblebee this guy nailed the iconic head sculpt without having to be redesigned for the cartoon.
2) War for Cybertron Cliffjumper - I don't really understand the dislike for the mold, I never had any trouble with it. The dark red with yellow highlights is such a great look.
1) Prime: First Edition/GDO Cliffjumper - OK, I'll agree that this is a fantastic mold with some really nice transformation tricks.
Honorable mention goes to shoving the WfC Cliff head on the Classics body, this has been my default Cliffjumper since 2010.
Emerje
5) Energon Cliffjumper - Yep, I went there. Who said Cliffjumper had to be a little red car? Or look G1? Good bot mode, great alt mode, an OK torso mode, and one of the best leg modes.
4) Alternity Cliffjumper - Nice modernization, only real issue I had was that he's a bit wide and they could have him a bit flatter. At least he got a new head.
3) G1 Cliffjumper - I mean, we probably wouldn't have this list if they hadn't done such a good job on their first try. Unlike G1 Bumblebee this guy nailed the iconic head sculpt without having to be redesigned for the cartoon.
2) War for Cybertron Cliffjumper - I don't really understand the dislike for the mold, I never had any trouble with it. The dark red with yellow highlights is such a great look.
1) Prime: First Edition/GDO Cliffjumper - OK, I'll agree that this is a fantastic mold with some really nice transformation tricks.
Honorable mention goes to shoving the WfC Cliff head on the Classics body, this has been my default Cliffjumper since 2010.
Emerje
Re: Top 5 Best Cliffjumper Transformers Toys (2002923)
Posted by no-one on January 6th, 2019 @ 7:54am CST
Posted by no-one on January 6th, 2019 @ 7:54am CST
-Kanrabat- wrote:I never got this. Why people have such a hard time transforming that mold? I don't have much patience myself and I always transformed my WFC Bee with ease and glee.carytheone wrote:Probably because - https://www.seibertron.com/transformers ... oys/36711/Rodimus Prime wrote:I'm also surprised that WFC Cliffjumper isn't on the list. Sure it's another Bee repaint, but it's a damn good figure, and the only Cliffjumper I ever owned.
I don't get the complaints for this mold either. It and the TF Prime figures is what got me into collecting. I remember the WfC Bee and Lineback Prime were both marked level 4 back when they still did that, and the "complexity" is one of the things I like about it. Isn't that one of the reasons why MP is collected? I've never thought it was a challenge though. The only complaint I can see would be from the scale fanatics as he is a big boy, but that's never bothered me either. I'm still on the fence about getting the CliffyJ version because that red is so glorious.Emerje wrote:2) War for Cybertron Cliffjumper - I don't really understand the dislike for the mold, I never had any trouble with it. The dark red with yellow highlights is such a great look.
I agree as they are not really Cliffjumper toys as much as they are just red Bee toysEmerje wrote:Straight Bumblebee repaints have no place on my list, feels like an insult to Cliffjumper. So here's my list.
Re: Top 5 Best Cliffjumper Transformers Toys (2002930)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on January 6th, 2019 @ 8:40am CST
Literally.
Posted by -Kanrabat- on January 6th, 2019 @ 8:40am CST
carytheone wrote:I agree as they are not really Cliffjumper toys as much as they are just red Bee toysEmerje wrote:Straight Bumblebee repaints have no place on my list, feels like an insult to Cliffjumper. So here's my list.
Literally.
Re: Top 5 Best Cliffjumper Transformers Toys (2002931)
Posted by DMSL on January 6th, 2019 @ 8:43am CST
Posted by DMSL on January 6th, 2019 @ 8:43am CST
We need a decent CHUG Cliff that isn't a simple repaint of Bee period.
Re: Top 5 Best Cliffjumper Transformers Toys (2002932)
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on January 6th, 2019 @ 9:02am CST
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on January 6th, 2019 @ 9:02am CST
A Cliffjumper head on the TR Bumblebee mold would be good.
Re: Top 5 Best Cliffjumper Transformers Toys (2002934)
Posted by Nathaniel Prime on January 6th, 2019 @ 9:57am CST
Posted by Nathaniel Prime on January 6th, 2019 @ 9:57am CST
Great list as always Will! 
I think my list would be the same, except probably I would replace Classics Cliff with WFC Cliff, that design is more appealing to me I guess. A suggestion for a list would be a second part of ranking the Studio Series figures, ranking all of wave 2 for example.
I think my list would be the same, except probably I would replace Classics Cliff with WFC Cliff, that design is more appealing to me I guess. A suggestion for a list would be a second part of ranking the Studio Series figures, ranking all of wave 2 for example.
Re: Top 5 Best Cliffjumper Transformers Toys (2002939)
Posted by Overcracker on January 6th, 2019 @ 10:58am CST
I agree
though maybe I'd put him slightly higher on the list.
As to FE Prime The Rock-jumper, I will forever be sad I could not get him when he was out. Will always have to make do with the regular release The Rock-Jumper.
Posted by Overcracker on January 6th, 2019 @ 10:58am CST
Emerje wrote:Straight Bumblebee repaints have no place on my list, feels like an insult to Cliffjumper. So here's my list.
5) Energon Cliffjumper - Yep, I went there. Who said Cliffjumper had to be a little red car? Or look G1? Good bot mode, great alt mode, an OK torso mode, and one of the best leg modes.
...
Emerje
I agree
though maybe I'd put him slightly higher on the list. As to FE Prime The Rock-jumper, I will forever be sad I could not get him when he was out. Will always have to make do with the regular release The Rock-Jumper.
Re: Top 5 Best Cliffjumper Transformers Toys (2002947)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on January 6th, 2019 @ 12:29pm CST
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on January 6th, 2019 @ 12:29pm CST
Hey Will, did I write the entry for the Classics Cliff? I'm trying to remember.
And this was a good list! But I agree, we need more pure Cliffjumper toys
And this was a good list! But I agree, we need more pure Cliffjumper toys
Re: Top 5 Best Cliffjumper Transformers Toys (2002954)
Posted by Flashwave on January 6th, 2019 @ 1:15pm CST
Posted by Flashwave on January 6th, 2019 @ 1:15pm CST
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Thank you for compiling the comments so I dont have to.
For me personally, I loved the WFC BEE for his weapons and transformation, and had bo problem there, but its the proportions of that Turtle Shell of a backpack on stick-thin gangly legs. Not only does it look wierd to me, but on my Bee the hip
Joints are wearing loose already and I'm pretty sure its the obese torso. They could easily have moved that shell kibble to the lo wer leg the way Animated Bee did and fixed both issues.
As to Energon Cliffjumper, I totally forgot that was a thing hut for me, that mold wasnt owned until they did Beachcomber.
Transformers Energon Beachcomber (Overdrive) Gallery
Better colors and the alt mode better fits the character.
carytheone wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:I never got this. Why people have such a hard time transforming that mold? I don't have much patience myself and I always transformed my WFC Bee with ease and glee.carytheone wrote:Probably because - https://www.seibertron.com/transformers ... oys/36711/Rodimus Prime wrote:I'm also surprised that WFC Cliffjumper isn't on the list. Sure it's another Bee repaint, but it's a damn good figure, and the only Cliffjumper I ever owned.I don't get the complaints for this mold either. It and the TF Prime figures is what got me into collecting. I remember the WfC Bee and Lineback Prime were both marked level 4 back when they still did that, and the "complexity" is one of the things I like about it. Isn't that one of the reasons why MP is collected? I've never thought it was a challenge though. The only complaint I can see would be from the scale fanatics as he is a big boy, but that's never bothered me either. I'm still on the fence about getting the CliffyJ version because that red is so glorious.Emerje wrote:2) War for Cybertron Cliffjumper - I don't really understand the dislike for the mold, I never had any trouble with it. The dark red with yellow highlights is such a great look.I agree as they are not really Cliffjumper toys as much as they are just red Bee toysEmerje wrote:Straight Bumblebee repaints have no place on my list, feels like an insult to Cliffjumper. So here's my list.
Thank you for compiling the comments so I dont have to.
For me personally, I loved the WFC BEE for his weapons and transformation, and had bo problem there, but its the proportions of that Turtle Shell of a backpack on stick-thin gangly legs. Not only does it look wierd to me, but on my Bee the hip
Joints are wearing loose already and I'm pretty sure its the obese torso. They could easily have moved that shell kibble to the lo wer leg the way Animated Bee did and fixed both issues.
As to Energon Cliffjumper, I totally forgot that was a thing hut for me, that mold wasnt owned until they did Beachcomber.
Transformers Energon Beachcomber (Overdrive) Gallery
Better colors and the alt mode better fits the character.
Re: Top 5 Best Cliffjumper Transformers Toys (2002964)
Posted by PerfectVision on January 6th, 2019 @ 1:49pm CST
Posted by PerfectVision on January 6th, 2019 @ 1:49pm CST
The best car former is PRIME Wheeljack DELUXE,he doesn't have enormous shoulders,the second version has bad arms(i said earlier it's inferior but i feel indifferent now).
Re: Top 5 Best Cliffjumper Transformers Toys (2002975)
Posted by Ultra Markus on January 6th, 2019 @ 2:39pm CST
If the car company and the toy company can't come to terms with each other
Maybe they should move on and make it some other car type
Posted by Ultra Markus on January 6th, 2019 @ 2:39pm CST
Jeddostotle7 wrote:Ultra Markus wrote:[here is to hoping that they somehow can get an MP version of Cliffjumper sometime in the future
That brings up a dilemma - if a Masterpiece Cliffjumper would be made, would his vehicle mode be a realistically-proportioned Porsche 924, or the superdeformed penny racer one of the toy and cartoon?
If the car company and the toy company can't come to terms with each other
Maybe they should move on and make it some other car type
Re: Top 5 Best Cliffjumper Transformers Toys (2002977)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on January 6th, 2019 @ 2:56pm CST
And then the hardcore fans will have none of it and will go REEEEEEEEEEE!!!!
Posted by -Kanrabat- on January 6th, 2019 @ 2:56pm CST
Ultra Markus wrote:Jeddostotle7 wrote:Ultra Markus wrote:[here is to hoping that they somehow can get an MP version of Cliffjumper sometime in the future
That brings up a dilemma - if a Masterpiece Cliffjumper would be made, would his vehicle mode be a realistically-proportioned Porsche 924, or the superdeformed penny racer one of the toy and cartoon?
If the car company and the toy company can't come to terms with each other
Maybe they should move on and make it some other car type
And then the hardcore fans will have none of it and will go REEEEEEEEEEE!!!!
Re: Top 5 Best Cliffjumper Transformers Toys (2002978)
Posted by no-one on January 6th, 2019 @ 3:01pm CST
I guess some bots will always just be second potato
Posted by no-one on January 6th, 2019 @ 3:01pm CST
I'd love to see the penny racer style in any line and I wish MP Bee would have taken the same route. If Takara can get the license they'll go real life accurate on the car and toon accurate on the bot. Which makes total sense.-Kanrabat- wrote:Ultra Markus wrote:Jeddostotle7 wrote:Ultra Markus wrote:[here is to hoping that they somehow can get an MP version of Cliffjumper sometime in the future
That brings up a dilemma - if a Masterpiece Cliffjumper would be made, would his vehicle mode be a realistically-proportioned Porsche 924, or the superdeformed penny racer one of the toy and cartoon?
If the car company and the toy company can't come to terms with each other
Maybe they should move on and make it some other car type
And then the hardcore fans will have none of it and will go REEEEEEEEEEE!!!!
As much as I'd hate to see Cliff be another redeco of a Bee mold, that would work very well with just a few tweeks.ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:A Cliffjumper head on the TR Bumblebee mold would be good.
I guess some bots will always just be second potato
Re: Top 5 Best Cliffjumper Transformers Toys (2002979)
Posted by Ultra Markus on January 6th, 2019 @ 3:04pm CST
well to be honest i would rather they came up with something thats similar than nothing at all
but if i was so inclined there are 3rd party options that will do just fine
Posted by Ultra Markus on January 6th, 2019 @ 3:04pm CST
-Kanrabat- wrote:Ultra Markus wrote:Jeddostotle7 wrote:Ultra Markus wrote:[here is to hoping that they somehow can get an MP version of Cliffjumper sometime in the future
That brings up a dilemma - if a Masterpiece Cliffjumper would be made, would his vehicle mode be a realistically-proportioned Porsche 924, or the superdeformed penny racer one of the toy and cartoon?
If the car company and the toy company can't come to terms with each other
Maybe they should move on and make it some other car type
And then the hardcore fans will have none of it and will go REEEEEEEEEEE!!!!
well to be honest i would rather they came up with something thats similar than nothing at all
but if i was so inclined there are 3rd party options that will do just fine
Re: Top 5 Best Cliffjumper Transformers Toys (2002980)
Posted by Emerje on January 6th, 2019 @ 3:08pm CST
The backpack never really bothered me, probably because of the sharp curve on it and despite the size it's barely noticeable from the front. The skinny thighs aren't all that bad and both Bee's and Cliff's original figures had them so just think of it as a throwback.
Emerje
Posted by Emerje on January 6th, 2019 @ 3:08pm CST
Flashwave wrote:For me personally, I loved the WFC BEE for his weapons and transformation, and had bo problem there, but its the proportions of that Turtle Shell of a backpack on stick-thin gangly legs.
The backpack never really bothered me, probably because of the sharp curve on it and despite the size it's barely noticeable from the front. The skinny thighs aren't all that bad and both Bee's and Cliff's original figures had them so just think of it as a throwback.
Emerje
Re: Top 5 Best Cliffjumper Transformers Toys (2002984)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on January 6th, 2019 @ 3:33pm CST
EVERY Transformers ever have the "skinny thighs". It's a TF staple for transformations. The only one who don't have those are shellformer fembots.
Thighs are normally the biggest part in a human leg. I wonder if there's a transformers out there with a genuine transformation (no part-forming, no shell-forming) who have legs with human proportions? Meaning no giant boots and no skinny thighs.
Posted by -Kanrabat- on January 6th, 2019 @ 3:33pm CST
Emerje wrote:The skinny thighs aren't all that bad
Emerje
EVERY Transformers ever have the "skinny thighs". It's a TF staple for transformations. The only one who don't have those are shellformer fembots.
Thighs are normally the biggest part in a human leg. I wonder if there's a transformers out there with a genuine transformation (no part-forming, no shell-forming) who have legs with human proportions? Meaning no giant boots and no skinny thighs.
Re: Top 5 Best Cliffjumper Transformers Toys (2002990)
Posted by Carnivius_Prime on January 6th, 2019 @ 4:10pm CST
And now I know for certain we well never agree on anything because I actually think this ain't even an appealing Transformer figure never mind the best car former ever (I mean, seriously???) Car form is alright but rather dull but the robot is absolutely hideous. A horrible design all over. The later Prime Cliffjumper looks a fair bit better (still an ugly robot but better shapes and proportions all round). That Legion class toy there ain't great either (those legs are pretty poor especially but the blocky torso and shoulderpads just look terrible).
Hm, not sure what I'd class the best Cliffjumper toy. Never really gave a damn about the character in any iteration and in a lot of cases neither did Hasbro. I owned both the Classics and 2007 movie versions and they were good toys but yeah, just red Bumblebees with nothing to really make him stand out as unique. They could have at least given the Classics figure his usual head (like the upgrade kit did) but nah they couldn't be bothered. Cliffjumper's just doomed to be Bee's poorly treated clone forever.
Posted by Carnivius_Prime on January 6th, 2019 @ 4:10pm CST
william-james88 wrote:I truly believe that this is the best car former we have ever had. I hope you'll pardon me with quoting what I wrote when I crowned it as such but I can't say more than I already have.
And now I know for certain we well never agree on anything because I actually think this ain't even an appealing Transformer figure never mind the best car former ever (I mean, seriously???) Car form is alright but rather dull but the robot is absolutely hideous. A horrible design all over. The later Prime Cliffjumper looks a fair bit better (still an ugly robot but better shapes and proportions all round). That Legion class toy there ain't great either (those legs are pretty poor especially but the blocky torso and shoulderpads just look terrible).
Hm, not sure what I'd class the best Cliffjumper toy. Never really gave a damn about the character in any iteration and in a lot of cases neither did Hasbro. I owned both the Classics and 2007 movie versions and they were good toys but yeah, just red Bumblebees with nothing to really make him stand out as unique. They could have at least given the Classics figure his usual head (like the upgrade kit did) but nah they couldn't be bothered. Cliffjumper's just doomed to be Bee's poorly treated clone forever.
Re: Top 5 Best Cliffjumper Transformers Toys (2003004)
Posted by VioMeTriX on January 6th, 2019 @ 5:27pm CST
Posted by VioMeTriX on January 6th, 2019 @ 5:27pm CST
well beiing most of the toys you put up are straight up bumble repaints i fail to find this list any good...in that case a much better in robot mode would be the MP red bee... regardless i feel when you are compparing figures, repaints of another successful figure is garbage...lets see more original models, not repaints
Re: Top 5 Best Cliffjumper Transformers Toys (2003005)
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on January 6th, 2019 @ 5:31pm CST
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on January 6th, 2019 @ 5:31pm CST
Well, Classics was an experimental line that Hasbro didn't estimate would be a huge seller at the time, so there were limits to what Hasbro was willing to invest and put out. Of course, when it proceeded to blow them away by largely selling like hotcakes they merrily jumped in with both feet from the 2008 Universe line onward.
Re: Top 5 Best Cliffjumper Transformers Toys (2003007)
Posted by Gauntlet101010 on January 6th, 2019 @ 5:37pm CST
Posted by Gauntlet101010 on January 6th, 2019 @ 5:37pm CST
GDO Cliffjumper is my Classics Cliffjumper. Now and forever! There are things about it I don't like, but it's uniquely him and not just a BB clone, so to me that makes him the best. But the fact is, there just isn't any real competition for him to go up against.
Classics Cliffy is, to me, representative of the entire problem. He's a great toy. A great Bumblebee toy. But he doesn't even have a unique head. And even I got a 3rd party head, those came much later and the car is still not unique and Cliffjumper - the G1 version which is the only one I care about - just isn't Bumblebee. So, even when there was a cheaper new heard for him I just couldn't go for it.
Classics Cliffy is, to me, representative of the entire problem. He's a great toy. A great Bumblebee toy. But he doesn't even have a unique head. And even I got a 3rd party head, those came much later and the car is still not unique and Cliffjumper - the G1 version which is the only one I care about - just isn't Bumblebee. So, even when there was a cheaper new heard for him I just couldn't go for it.
Re: Top 5 Best Cliffjumper Transformers Toys (2003012)
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on January 6th, 2019 @ 6:35pm CST
Did you try removing Bumblebee's spoiler to make the car modes look different?
Here's the problem: While Bumblebee and Cliffjumper weren't identical in their G1 forms, they did have identical engineering and proportions; the biggest distinguishing factors were their heads and their altmodes (Bee being a marginally chibified "Baja" Bug and CJ being a heavily chibified Porsche 924 with a spoiler). The need to genericize altmodes in most modern lines is an enormous wrench in the works to the latter distinction.
Posted by ZeldaTheSwordsman on January 6th, 2019 @ 6:35pm CST
Gauntlet101010 wrote:GDO Cliffjumper is my Classics Cliffjumper. Now and forever! There are things about it I don't like, but it's uniquely him and not just a BB clone, so to me that makes him the best. But the fact is, there just isn't any real competition for him to go up against.
Classics Cliffy is, to me, representative of the entire problem. He's a great toy. A great Bumblebee toy. But he doesn't even have a unique head. And even I got a 3rd party head, those came much later and the car is still not unique and Cliffjumper - the G1 version which is the only one I care about - just isn't Bumblebee. So, even when there was a cheaper new heard for him I just couldn't go for it.
Did you try removing Bumblebee's spoiler to make the car modes look different?
Here's the problem: While Bumblebee and Cliffjumper weren't identical in their G1 forms, they did have identical engineering and proportions; the biggest distinguishing factors were their heads and their altmodes (Bee being a marginally chibified "Baja" Bug and CJ being a heavily chibified Porsche 924 with a spoiler). The need to genericize altmodes in most modern lines is an enormous wrench in the works to the latter distinction.
Re: Top 5 Best Cliffjumper Transformers Toys (2003013)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on January 6th, 2019 @ 6:45pm CST
I've always found the Generations Deluxe Bumblebee to be a good match for that mold:
Transformers Generations Bumblebee Gallery
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on January 6th, 2019 @ 6:45pm CST
Gauntlet101010 wrote:GDO Cliffjumper is my Classics Cliffjumper. Now and forever! There are things about it I don't like, but it's uniquely him and not just a BB clone, so to me that makes him the best. But the fact is, there just isn't any real competition for him to go up against.
I've always found the Generations Deluxe Bumblebee to be a good match for that mold:
Transformers Generations Bumblebee Gallery
Re: Top 5 Best Cliffjumper Transformers Toys (2003014)
Posted by Overcracker on January 6th, 2019 @ 7:03pm CST
Since Takara has to be working out Licensing for MP Jazz with Porsche. I mean he's one of the last '84 Autobot cars (deluxe) left for MP, its not a stretch to think they would toss in CLiffjumper there for an accurate alt mode license. Also having acquired Bumblebee's bug alt mode license from VW, it can't be too difficult to secure a couple of licenses from a company owned by VW.
Also since they have yet to go for non realistic and licensed vehicles modes for MP and Bumblebee being a realistic Bug, its difficult to think they'd just toss a chibi MP out there with Cliffjumper.
This brings up another question. With only Trailbreaker, Jazz and Mirage left from the original Autobot Cars for an MP, who gets a shot first? Also is a Licensed Ligier JS11 even possible for Mirage at this point? Who owns the design rights for the car now?
Posted by Overcracker on January 6th, 2019 @ 7:03pm CST
Ultra Markus wrote:Jeddostotle7 wrote:Ultra Markus wrote:[here is to hoping that they somehow can get an MP version of Cliffjumper sometime in the future
That brings up a dilemma - if a Masterpiece Cliffjumper would be made, would his vehicle mode be a realistically-proportioned Porsche 924, or the superdeformed penny racer one of the toy and cartoon?
If the car company and the toy company can't come to terms with each other
Maybe they should move on and make it some other car type
Since Takara has to be working out Licensing for MP Jazz with Porsche. I mean he's one of the last '84 Autobot cars (deluxe) left for MP, its not a stretch to think they would toss in CLiffjumper there for an accurate alt mode license. Also having acquired Bumblebee's bug alt mode license from VW, it can't be too difficult to secure a couple of licenses from a company owned by VW.
Also since they have yet to go for non realistic and licensed vehicles modes for MP and Bumblebee being a realistic Bug, its difficult to think they'd just toss a chibi MP out there with Cliffjumper.
This brings up another question. With only Trailbreaker, Jazz and Mirage left from the original Autobot Cars for an MP, who gets a shot first? Also is a Licensed Ligier JS11 even possible for Mirage at this point? Who owns the design rights for the car now?
Re: Top 5 Best Cliffjumper Transformers Toys (2003023)
Posted by william-james88 on January 6th, 2019 @ 8:57pm CST
Trailbreaker. Thats what Takara said in an interview.
Are there 5 distinct cliffjumper molds?
What do you think is the best car former ever?
And I knew a while back our tastes were different, your tastes are different from the majority of the people on TF Fan sites. Nothing wrong with that of course. And thanks for the quote, my tense is wrong, I realize now I had written this to go with another list which didnt get finished in time.
Hell yeah we do. And yes, you did write that entry, you sent it as a message. But dont worry, we both have been writing a lot and these lists take time to compile. So now you know how i feel when you wrote to me you had completed that top 5 turncoats list and I was like "what is that?"
Thanks Nathaniel! Yeah, Classics Cliff and WFC Cliff are rather interchangeable I guess but it came down to the mold use and I much preffer the classics mold over WFC. I find WFC quite annoying to put back into car mode. As for Studio Series, ranking for wave 1 worked well since you had the leaders. The series didnt have as much new stuff going forward in various sizes. And we did get lots of repaints after that, so its not as obvious or fun to rank. I might do a best Studio Series 2019 list or I might wait till this toy series is done with its current numbering and do a top 5 about that.
Posted by william-james88 on January 6th, 2019 @ 8:57pm CST
Overcracker wrote:With only Trailbreaker, Jazz and Mirage left from the original Autobot Cars for an MP, who gets a shot first?
Trailbreaker. Thats what Takara said in an interview.
VioMeTriX wrote:lets see more original models, not repaints
Are there 5 distinct cliffjumper molds?
Carnivius_Prime wrote:And now I know for certain we well never agree on anything because I actually think this ain't even an appealing Transformer figure never mind the best car former ever (I mean, seriously???)
What do you think is the best car former ever?
And I knew a while back our tastes were different, your tastes are different from the majority of the people on TF Fan sites. Nothing wrong with that of course. And thanks for the quote, my tense is wrong, I realize now I had written this to go with another list which didnt get finished in time.
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Hey Will, did I write the entry for the Classics Cliff? I'm trying to remember.
And this was a good list! But I agree, we need more pure Cliffjumper toys
Hell yeah we do. And yes, you did write that entry, you sent it as a message. But dont worry, we both have been writing a lot and these lists take time to compile. So now you know how i feel when you wrote to me you had completed that top 5 turncoats list and I was like "what is that?"
Nathaniel Prime wrote:Great list as always Will!
Thanks Nathaniel! Yeah, Classics Cliff and WFC Cliff are rather interchangeable I guess but it came down to the mold use and I much preffer the classics mold over WFC. I find WFC quite annoying to put back into car mode. As for Studio Series, ranking for wave 1 worked well since you had the leaders. The series didnt have as much new stuff going forward in various sizes. And we did get lots of repaints after that, so its not as obvious or fun to rank. I might do a best Studio Series 2019 list or I might wait till this toy series is done with its current numbering and do a top 5 about that.
Re: Top 5 Best Cliffjumper Transformers Toys (2003026)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on January 6th, 2019 @ 9:08pm CST
Strictly speaking, we have:
G1
Energon
Prime FE, Prime RiD, Prime Cyberverse Legion, those three based around the same design
That's... basically it. He got demoted from unique mold, to Bumblebee co-tool. However, it is worth nothing that Hasbro has made attempts of shying away from that: Gen. Deluxe Bumblebee was retooled into Goldfire/Goldbug and Nightbeat, Legends Bumblebee into Roadburn/Chase, Prime RiD Bumblebee into Hot Shot (albeit by virtue of Cliffjumper having his own mold).
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on January 6th, 2019 @ 9:08pm CST
william-james88 wrote:VioMeTriX wrote:lets see more original models, not repaints
Are there 5 distinct cliffjumper molds?
Strictly speaking, we have:
G1
Energon
Prime FE, Prime RiD, Prime Cyberverse Legion, those three based around the same design
That's... basically it. He got demoted from unique mold, to Bumblebee co-tool. However, it is worth nothing that Hasbro has made attempts of shying away from that: Gen. Deluxe Bumblebee was retooled into Goldfire/Goldbug and Nightbeat, Legends Bumblebee into Roadburn/Chase, Prime RiD Bumblebee into Hot Shot (albeit by virtue of Cliffjumper having his own mold).
Re: Top 5 Best Cliffjumper Transformers Toys (2003053)
Posted by SpikeyTigertron on January 7th, 2019 @ 1:06am CST
Vehicon or GTFO
Posted by SpikeyTigertron on January 7th, 2019 @ 1:06am CST
PerfectVision wrote:The best car former is PRIME Wheeljack DELUXE,he doesn't have enormous shoulders,the second version has bad arms(i said earlier it's inferior but i feel indifferent now).
Vehicon or GTFO
Re: Top 5 Best Cliffjumper Transformers Toys (2003054)
Posted by SpikeyTigertron on January 7th, 2019 @ 1:15am CST
Posted by SpikeyTigertron on January 7th, 2019 @ 1:15am CST
Is it wrong that I miss Windcharger more than Cliffjumper, and then out of the blue we got 2-3 really good Windchargers?
I would guess if we got an MP Cliffjumper though, it'd either be a re-shelled Bumble(bee) or heavily shared engineering.
I would guess if we got an MP Cliffjumper though, it'd either be a re-shelled Bumble(bee) or heavily shared engineering.
Re: Top 5 Best Cliffjumper Transformers Toys (2003078)
Posted by RK_Striker_JK_5 on January 7th, 2019 @ 7:57am CST
Posted by RK_Striker_JK_5 on January 7th, 2019 @ 7:57am CST
I wish I had something to say other than I agree with this list. But... I agree with this list. Some great toys for Cliff, here.
Re: Top 5 Best Cliffjumper Transformers Toys (2003112)
Posted by PerfectVision on January 7th, 2019 @ 11:09am CST
He has poor head,anorexie and horrible feet(more obvious from side),don't forget to paint his visor in red.All of that is a repeat from the top transformers of all time.
This GENERATION Bee look a lot like the CYBERVERSE one.
Posted by PerfectVision on January 7th, 2019 @ 11:09am CST
SpikeyTigertron wrote:PerfectVision wrote:The best car former is PRIME Wheeljack DELUXE,he doesn't have enormous shoulders,the second version has bad arms(i said earlier it's inferior but i feel indifferent now).
Vehicon or GTFO
He has poor head,anorexie and horrible feet(more obvious from side),don't forget to paint his visor in red.All of that is a repeat from the top transformers of all time.
This GENERATION Bee look a lot like the CYBERVERSE one.
Re: Top 5 Best Cliffjumper Transformers Toys (2003129)
Posted by Gauntlet101010 on January 7th, 2019 @ 12:47pm CST
There isn't much competition for GDO Cliffjumper to go up against. Not if you have "unique head" as a baseline standard anyway.
Just not good enough for me.
Anyway, I know why they made Cliffjumper an "also ran" in terms of mould use. But I don't have to like that there's not a whole lot of choices for him either. The way I see it, there's:
1) Alternity
2) GDO
3) Classics with 3rd party upgrades
4) WFC
And, just my opinion, but I hate the proportions on WFC and Alternity. And Classics is a great Bumblebee toy, but I don't want Cliff to be identical to Bee. Which really just leaves one option. Now I like GDO, although fitting it together in car mode is a pain, but I'd have preferred a bit more choice.
I don't think there's even a legends scale one with it's own head. I went and got the Targetmaster recolor and used Titans Return as Bee. Not ideal, but I gotta work with what I have.
Posted by Gauntlet101010 on January 7th, 2019 @ 12:47pm CST
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Gauntlet101010 wrote:GDO Cliffjumper is my Classics Cliffjumper. Now and forever! There are things about it I don't like, but it's uniquely him and not just a BB clone, so to me that makes him the best. But the fact is, there just isn't any real competition for him to go up against.
I've always found the Generations Deluxe Bumblebee to be a good match for that mold:
Transformers Generations Bumblebee Gallery
There isn't much competition for GDO Cliffjumper to go up against. Not if you have "unique head" as a baseline standard anyway.
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote: Did you try removing Bumblebee's spoiler to make the car modes look different?
Here's the problem: While Bumblebee and Cliffjumper weren't identical in their G1 forms, they did have identical engineering and proportions; the biggest distinguishing factors were their heads and their altmodes (Bee being a marginally chibified "Baja" Bug and CJ being a heavily chibified Porsche 924 with a spoiler). The need to genericize altmodes in most modern lines is an enormous wrench in the works to the latter distinction.
Just not good enough for me.
Anyway, I know why they made Cliffjumper an "also ran" in terms of mould use. But I don't have to like that there's not a whole lot of choices for him either. The way I see it, there's:
1) Alternity
2) GDO
3) Classics with 3rd party upgrades
4) WFC
And, just my opinion, but I hate the proportions on WFC and Alternity. And Classics is a great Bumblebee toy, but I don't want Cliff to be identical to Bee. Which really just leaves one option. Now I like GDO, although fitting it together in car mode is a pain, but I'd have preferred a bit more choice.
I don't think there's even a legends scale one with it's own head. I went and got the Targetmaster recolor and used Titans Return as Bee. Not ideal, but I gotta work with what I have.
Re: Top 5 Best Cliffjumper Transformers Toys (2003147)
Posted by william-james88 on January 7th, 2019 @ 3:37pm CST
I agree with all of that (with the exception of the CGO being a pain to transform) whch is why my list ended up looking this way. It does make us see just how much this character lacks in toys and yet it shows us taht he does indeed have several toys to his name (just not molds).
And no, there is no legends clased Clffjumper with his own head
This makes me wonder, which other character should I make a top list for? I have Sideswipe, Frenzy/Rumble, Bumblebee, Soundwave and Hot Rod/Rodimus in the pipeline but no one else.
Posted by william-james88 on January 7th, 2019 @ 3:37pm CST
Gauntlet101010 wrote:And, just my opinion, but I hate the proportions on WFC and Alternity. And Classics is a great Bumblebee toy, but I don't want Cliff to be identical to Bee. Which really just leaves one option. Now I like GDO, although fitting it together in car mode is a pain, but I'd have preferred a bit more choice.
I don't think there's even a legends scale one with it's own head.
I agree with all of that (with the exception of the CGO being a pain to transform) whch is why my list ended up looking this way. It does make us see just how much this character lacks in toys and yet it shows us taht he does indeed have several toys to his name (just not molds).
And no, there is no legends clased Clffjumper with his own head
This makes me wonder, which other character should I make a top list for? I have Sideswipe, Frenzy/Rumble, Bumblebee, Soundwave and Hot Rod/Rodimus in the pipeline but no one else.
Re: Top 5 Best Cliffjumper Transformers Toys (2003154)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on January 7th, 2019 @ 3:57pm CST
More as a "Companion Piece", really.
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on January 7th, 2019 @ 3:57pm CST
Gauntlet101010 wrote:JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Gauntlet101010 wrote:GDO Cliffjumper is my Classics Cliffjumper. Now and forever! There are things about it I don't like, but it's uniquely him and not just a BB clone, so to me that makes him the best. But the fact is, there just isn't any real competition for him to go up against.
I've always found the Generations Deluxe Bumblebee to be a good match for that mold:
Transformers Generations Bumblebee Gallery
There isn't much competition for GDO Cliffjumper to go up against. Not if you have "unique head" as a baseline standard anyway.
More as a "Companion Piece", really.
Re: Top 5 Best Cliffjumper Transformers Toys (2003200)
Posted by Gauntlet101010 on January 7th, 2019 @ 7:29pm CST
"Top deluxe movie Bees" ... I don't really like BB, but he's has so many releases. Which take the top? I think this sort of list should be separate form a regular BB list; maybe the top one of these could factor in. It'd also be interesting since he transforms into the same basic thing, but has so MANY different toys.
Posted by Gauntlet101010 on January 7th, 2019 @ 7:29pm CST
william-james88 wrote:Gauntlet101010 wrote:And, just my opinion, but I hate the proportions on WFC and Alternity. And Classics is a great Bumblebee toy, but I don't want Cliff to be identical to Bee. Which really just leaves one option. Now I like GDO, although fitting it together in car mode is a pain, but I'd have preferred a bit more choice.
I don't think there's even a legends scale one with it's own head.
I agree with all of that (with the exception of the CGO being a pain to transform) whch is why my list ended up looking this way. It does make us see just how much this character lacks in toys and yet it shows us taht he does indeed have several toys to his name (just not molds).
And no, there is no legends clased Clffjumper with his own head
This makes me wonder, which other character should I make a top list for? I have Sideswipe, Frenzy/Rumble, Bumblebee, Soundwave and Hot Rod/Rodimus in the pipeline but no one else.
"Top deluxe movie Bees" ... I don't really like BB, but he's has so many releases. Which take the top? I think this sort of list should be separate form a regular BB list; maybe the top one of these could factor in. It'd also be interesting since he transforms into the same basic thing, but has so MANY different toys.
