Target DPCI codes for Transformers WFC Siege and Wave 1 Battle Masters found
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If it helps, below are the individual DPCI codes for almost all the toys part of Siege:
DPCI's for siege
Battle masters:
Firedrive-087-16-4265
Lionizer-087-16-4269
Blowpipe-087-16-6158
Aimless-087-16-7211
Caliburst-087-16-4264
Smashdown-087-16-4267
Pteraxadon-087-16-4266
Micromasters:
Race car patrol- 087-16-4277
Battle patrol- 087-16-4275
Airstrike patrol- 087-16-4276
Spy Patrol- 087-16-6084
Rescue Patrol- 087-16-4278
Off-road Patrol- 087-16-6211
Deluxes:
Hound-087-16-4289
Sideswipe-087-16-9981
Cog-087-16-7213
Skytread/Flywheels- 087-16-8070
Ironhide- 087-16-4290
Chromia-087-16-4288
Prowl- 087-16-7130
Sixgun-087-16-4291
Voyagers:
Optimus Prime-087-16-8335
Megatron-087-16-4283
Starscream- 087-16-4285
Soundwave- 087-16-4284
Thundercracker-087-16-4287
Springer-087-16-4286
Leaders:
Ultra Magnus-087-16-4273
Shockwave- 087-16-4274
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Posted by Emerje on November 3rd, 2018 @ 10:28pm CDT
Emerje
Posted by Sabrblade on November 3rd, 2018 @ 10:35pm CDT
Well, it's not like this site is called "Cybertron.com". He chose the planet's Japanese name and "Say-ber-tron" is how it's said.Wolfman Jake wrote:It does, however, make me die a little bit inside every time I hear you pronounce "Seibertron."
Posted by william-james88 on November 3rd, 2018 @ 10:38pm CDT
Emerje wrote:I'll wait and see what Walmart's price is. As usual these wave 1 figures are going to saturate heavily while finding the rest of the line at retail is going to be based on luck.
Emerje
And yet those same wave 1 figures will then be the most coveted a year from now when new or returning collectors get wind of this line and wish to complete it. I was able to sell my swoop for more than twice what I paid for him.
Posted by Seibertron on November 3rd, 2018 @ 10:45pm CDT
Wolfman Jake wrote:Thanks for the review, Seibertron! I can't wait for these figures now! Looking forward to seeing some of those comparison shots too.
It does, however, make me die a little bit inside every time I hear you pronounce "Seibertron."
Comparison pics news story coming soon. I think william-james88 or one of the other news moderators is going to post a story with my pics soon.
Posted by william-james88 on November 3rd, 2018 @ 10:46pm CDT
Seibertron wrote:Wolfman Jake wrote:Thanks for the review, Seibertron! I can't wait for these figures now! Looking forward to seeing some of those comparison shots too.
It does, however, make me die a little bit inside every time I hear you pronounce "Seibertron."
Comparison pics news story coming soon. I think william-james88 or one of the other news moderators is going to post a story with my pics soon.
Yes, it will be me.
Posted by Sentinel_Primal on November 3rd, 2018 @ 10:47pm CDT
Emerje wrote:I'll wait and see what Walmart's price is. As usual these wave 1 figures are going to saturate heavily while finding the rest of the line at retail is going to be based on luck.
Emerje
I'm fine with this. So far, all the figures I want are in Wave 1 with the only wave 2 and 3 figures I want being the micro masters, Pteraxadon, Red Alert, Brunt, Sixgun, and depending how they turn out, Mirage and Impactor. I'm just worried about how Omega's going to see release and how well the QC will be
Posted by Sabrblade on November 3rd, 2018 @ 10:49pm CDT
According to this Tweet, the Matrix core by itself can fit inside the space where the robot head goes, most likely by coincidence rather than intent.Shredd the Dinobot wrote:I wasn't sure how to ask or if you get notified by who quotes you or what, I'm completely brand new to the forum but I was curious if the new Prime could store the POTP Matrix in his chest, or atleast the matrix block minus the handles?
Posted by Emerje on November 3rd, 2018 @ 10:51pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:Emerje wrote:I'll wait and see what Walmart's price is. As usual these wave 1 figures are going to saturate heavily while finding the rest of the line at retail is going to be based on luck.
Emerje
And yet those same wave 1 figures will then be the most coveted a year from now when new or returning collectors get wind of this line and wish to complete it. I was able to sell my swoop for more than twice what I paid for him.
Yeah, there are always stragglers that come to the party late and have to pay the price of catching up, but I'm pretty sure I can still find Swoop at Kmart.
Emerje
Posted by Wolfman Jake on November 3rd, 2018 @ 10:53pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:Well, it's not like this site is called "Cybertron.com". He chose the planet's Japanese name and "Say-ber-tron" is how it's said.Wolfman Jake wrote:It does, however, make me die a little bit inside every time I hear you pronounce "Seibertron."
To my ear, it's not really "say-burr-tron" or "sabre-tron," and it's not quite "sigh-burr-tron" either. It's more like the "ei" makes a kind of "schwa" (ə) mixed with an English "long e (ē)" sound.
Emerje wrote:william-james88 wrote:Emerje wrote:I'll wait and see what Walmart's price is. As usual these wave 1 figures are going to saturate heavily while finding the rest of the line at retail is going to be based on luck.
Emerje
And yet those same wave 1 figures will then be the most coveted a year from now when new or returning collectors get wind of this line and wish to complete it. I was able to sell my swoop for more than twice what I paid for him.
Yeah, there are always stragglers that come to the party late and have to pay the price of catching up, but I'm pretty sure I can still find Swoop at Kmart.
Emerje
You can still find a K-Mart?
Posted by william-james88 on November 3rd, 2018 @ 10:57pm CDT
Below you will find images of Optimus Prime and Megatron compared to their toys in the Combiner Wars, Generation One, Titans Return (that's the big one), Masterpiece and Classics/United/Henkei toylines.
Let us know what you think and if you like the scale Hasbro chose for these two toys. And most of all, for those who only want one voyager Optimus or Megatron in their collection, is this worth replacing the one you have right now?
Posted by ScottyP on November 3rd, 2018 @ 10:58pm CDT
You've got the brain, find a gentler tone and we can be palsYoungPrime wrote:Why didn't he do the Bot size comparison's of the Classics and Sieges the way he did the OP's in truck mode? I still can't tell which are taller. It feels like these reviewers are hiding it with these crouched down poses.
Anyways
Posted by ScottyP on November 3rd, 2018 @ 10:59pm CDT
Posted by william-james88 on November 3rd, 2018 @ 11:05pm CDT
Sentinel_Primal wrote: I'm just worried about how Omega's going to see release and how well the QC will be
Regarding how he will see release, why would it be any different from Predaking's release?
Posted by Sentinel_Primal on November 3rd, 2018 @ 11:09pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:Sentinel_Primal wrote: I'm just worried about how Omega's going to see release and how well the QC will be
Regarding how he will see release, why would it be any different from Predaking's release?
I was just meaning will he be present in Brick and Mortar or will he be an "online exclusive" cause stores wouldn't pick up a figure of that size and waste shelf space on him
Posted by william-james88 on November 3rd, 2018 @ 11:21pm CDT
Sentinel_Primal wrote:william-james88 wrote:Sentinel_Primal wrote: I'm just worried about how Omega's going to see release and how well the QC will be
Regarding how he will see release, why would it be any different from Predaking's release?
I was just meaning will he be present in Brick and Mortar or will he be an "online exclusive" cause stores wouldn't pick up a figure of that size and waste shelf space on him
well did Predaking get a brick and mortar release?
Posted by Wolfman Jake on November 3rd, 2018 @ 11:37pm CDT
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on November 3rd, 2018 @ 11:39pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:Sentinel_Primal wrote:william-james88 wrote:Sentinel_Primal wrote: I'm just worried about how Omega's going to see release and how well the QC will be
Regarding how he will see release, why would it be any different from Predaking's release?
I was just meaning will he be present in Brick and Mortar or will he be an "online exclusive" cause stores wouldn't pick up a figure of that size and waste shelf space on him
well did Predaking get a brick and mortar release?
Toys 'R Us was the only chain to actually carry Titan Class in its physical stores. With that having gone belly up, there are no real alternatives outside of online. That may change in the following year, depending on how the successor will do, and how the reissues sell at Walmart I'm guessing
Posted by Shredd the Dinobot on November 4th, 2018 @ 12:25am CDT
Sabrblade wrote:According to this Tweet, the Matrix core by itself can fit inside the space where the robot head goes, most likely by coincidence rather than intent.Shredd the Dinobot wrote:I wasn't sure how to ask or if you get notified by who quotes you or what, I'm completely brand new to the forum but I was curious if the new Prime could store the POTP Matrix in his chest, or atleast the matrix block minus the handles?
Thank you ^w^.
The fact that you can still stick that in there is a nice little extra, it adds to the playability. I understand where a lot of you guys are coming from when you complain about these figures, I don't share the same sentiment but I understand. I still think there great though.
I can't wait to start my G1, well G1 inspired collection. ^w^
Posted by Flashwave on November 4th, 2018 @ 12:45am CDT
Those comparisons of Megs with TR Megs though are not making my choices any easier. One the Ione hand, I really like the weapons n Megs, and the bot mode looks great; cleaner than the TR version. On the other though, the tank mode still looks like a robot folded into a tank to me and the TR Megs has more play value as a Triple Changer.
Posted by Albatross250 on November 4th, 2018 @ 12:52am CDT
Only if its repainted to Shattered Glass
Posted by Sentinel_Primal on November 4th, 2018 @ 12:53am CDT
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on November 4th, 2018 @ 12:55am CDT
Sentinel_Primal wrote:So, if these guys are showing up around the same time that the Power of the Primes figures started shoing up, when can we expect the leader class Shockwave and Magnus? I'm so excited for the white Prime gimmick's return and Shockwave's new gimmick makes me want him so much more
Around Black Friday, within a month. That is, if Walmart reconsiders carrying Leader Class again.
Posted by Sentinel_Primal on November 4th, 2018 @ 12:57am CDT
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Sentinel_Primal wrote:So, if these guys are showing up around the same time that the Power of the Primes figures started shoing up, when can we expect the leader class Shockwave and Magnus? I'm so excited for the white Prime gimmick's return and Shockwave's new gimmick makes me want him so much more
Around Black Friday, within a month. That is, if Walmart reconsiders carrying Leader Class again.
Wait, Wal-Mart stopped carrying Leader classes?? I thought that was just the Wal-Marts out here in the Midwest not getting supplies. Didn't know it was a general Wal-Mart thing
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on November 4th, 2018 @ 1:03am CDT
Sentinel_Primal wrote:JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Sentinel_Primal wrote:So, if these guys are showing up around the same time that the Power of the Primes figures started shoing up, when can we expect the leader class Shockwave and Magnus? I'm so excited for the white Prime gimmick's return and Shockwave's new gimmick makes me want him so much more
Around Black Friday, within a month. That is, if Walmart reconsiders carrying Leader Class again.
Wait, Wal-Mart stopped carrying Leader classes?? I thought that was just the Wal-Marts out here in the Midwest not getting supplies. Didn't know it was a general Wal-Mart thing
I believe they only have Studio Series Leaders now, with unsold stock of Blackout and Grimlock. PotP, all gone.
Posted by Seibertron on November 4th, 2018 @ 1:18am CDT
Sentinel_Primal wrote:So, if these guys are showing up around the same time that the Power of the Primes figures started shoing up, when can we expect the leader class Shockwave and Magnus? I'm so excited for the white Prime gimmick's return and Shockwave's new gimmick makes me want him so much more
Leader Class should be around December or January.
Posted by Seibertron on November 4th, 2018 @ 1:23am CDT
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Toys 'R Us was the only chain to actually carry Titan Class in its physical stores. With that having gone belly up, there are no real alternatives outside of online. That may change in the following year, depending on how the successor will do, and how the reissues sell at Walmart I'm guessing
This is 100% incorrect. Titans Return was carried at Target and Walmart as well as other big box stores. Toys R Us didn't have anything unique about Titans Return or any other recent mainline Transformers series.
I misread "Titan Class" as "Titans Return". I should've known better than to tango with JelZe GoldRabbit
Posted by Seibertron on November 4th, 2018 @ 1:26am CDT
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Sentinel_Primal wrote:JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Sentinel_Primal wrote:So, if these guys are showing up around the same time that the Power of the Primes figures started shoing up, when can we expect the leader class Shockwave and Magnus? I'm so excited for the white Prime gimmick's return and Shockwave's new gimmick makes me want him so much more
Around Black Friday, within a month. That is, if Walmart reconsiders carrying Leader Class again.
Wait, Wal-Mart stopped carrying Leader classes?? I thought that was just the Wal-Marts out here in the Midwest not getting supplies. Didn't know it was a general Wal-Mart thing
I believe they only have Studio Series Leaders now, with unsold stock of Blackout and Grimlock. PotP, all gone.
This is incorrect as well, if I'm reading these messages correctly. I bought a 2nd Leader Class Rodimus Prime at Walmart not too long ago so that I could have Hot Rod and Rodimus Prime. Hoping to do the same with a discounted Optimus Prime here in the near future.
Posted by Nemesis Primal on November 4th, 2018 @ 1:30am CDT
You know what else would be nice to see show up at retail? Optimal Optimus.
...In reality, I am absolutely excited for Siege, and it is very cool that it's showing up earlier than anticipated, but I don't have any interest in any Masters of any kind except Pteraxadon so far, and the figure I was MOST anticipating from PotP, the fan vote character even, still has yet to appear at US retail, so this really just stings.
Also I have no interest in those Voyager molds whatsoever unless/until they're retooled/repainted into different characters.
Posted by 1984forever on November 4th, 2018 @ 1:35am CDT
Posted by trence5 on November 4th, 2018 @ 1:48am CST
Wolfman Jake wrote:Interesting. Siege Optimus seems to be about the same height as his Classics self, maybe a millimeter or two taller at most. That's a little bit disappointing, as Classics Optimus Prime was an undersized Voyager back in its day. I'm glad Hasbro wised up on using better gray plastics for Megatron this time. That comparison with the Titans Return Megatron just shows how sickly pale it was. Siege gets it right on the nose, despite it not having a shiny top coat of silver paint.
I am a bit disappointed that the Siege Megatron doesn't look to be the same size as Classics Megatron mold in the pics.
Posted by leokearon on November 4th, 2018 @ 2:12am CST
Posted by SpikeyTigertron on November 4th, 2018 @ 3:13am CST
Posted by Emerje on November 4th, 2018 @ 3:34am CST
Seibertron wrote:JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Toys 'R Us was the only chain to actually carry Titan Class in its physical stores. With that having gone belly up, there are no real alternatives outside of online. That may change in the following year, depending on how the successor will do, and how the reissues sell at Walmart I'm guessing
This is 100% incorrect. Titans Return was carried at Target and Walmart as well as other big box stores. Toys R Us didn't have anything unique about Titans Return or any other recent mainline Transformers series.
Titan Class, not Titans return.
Seibertron wrote:This is incorrect as well, if I'm reading these messages correctly. I bought a 2nd Leader Class Rodimus Prime at Walmart not too long ago so that I could have Hot Rod and Rodimus Prime. Hoping to do the same with a discounted Optimus Prime here in the near future.
Consider yourself very lucky to have one of the very few Walmarts that are still carrying Leader Class. Based on complaints from all around the country the vast majority have dropped Leader Class for both PotP and SS. However, some have started carrying SS Leaders again in the most recent fall reset, but one of my two stores (Augusta, right in the state capital and newly renovated) did not. Here's a (blurry) shot of said shelves with no Leaders (this store also dropped SS Voyagers, that lone SS Deluxe is in it's correct spot on the bottom of the shelf), the big empty space is for Devastator.
Emerje
Posted by william-james88 on November 4th, 2018 @ 6:16am CST
Wolfman Jake wrote:Interesting. Siege Optimus seems to be about the same height as his Classics self, maybe a millimeter or two taller at most. That's a little bit disappointing, as Classics Optimus Prime was an undersized Voyager back in its day. I'm glad Hasbro wised up on using better gray plastics for Megatron this time. That comparison with the Titans Return Megatron just shows how sickly pale it was. Siege gets it right on the nose, despite it not having a shiny top coat of silver paint.
But Classics Optimus was the first ever voyager class toy. So how could it be an undersized voyager back in its day?
Posted by Sabrblade on November 4th, 2018 @ 6:18am CST
The Voyager class began in the Cybertron line, right before Classics.william-james88 wrote:Wolfman Jake wrote:Interesting. Siege Optimus seems to be about the same height as his Classics self, maybe a millimeter or two taller at most. That's a little bit disappointing, as Classics Optimus Prime was an undersized Voyager back in its day. I'm glad Hasbro wised up on using better gray plastics for Megatron this time. That comparison with the Titans Return Megatron just shows how sickly pale it was. Siege gets it right on the nose, despite it not having a shiny top coat of silver paint.
But Classics Optimus was the first ever voyager class toy. So how could it be an undersized voyager back in its day?
Posted by william-james88 on November 4th, 2018 @ 6:29am CST
Sabrblade wrote:The Voyager class began in the Cybertron line, right before Classics.william-james88 wrote:Wolfman Jake wrote:Interesting. Siege Optimus seems to be about the same height as his Classics self, maybe a millimeter or two taller at most. That's a little bit disappointing, as Classics Optimus Prime was an undersized Voyager back in its day. I'm glad Hasbro wised up on using better gray plastics for Megatron this time. That comparison with the Titans Return Megatron just shows how sickly pale it was. Siege gets it right on the nose, despite it not having a shiny top coat of silver paint.
But Classics Optimus was the first ever voyager class toy. So how could it be an undersized voyager back in its day?
Ah dammit, of course it did. How could i forget, it has the greatest voyager figure of all time.
Posted by Sabrblade on November 4th, 2018 @ 6:31am CST
And they were bulkier and more massive in that line than Classics OP ever was.william-james88 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:The Voyager class began in the Cybertron line, right before Classics.william-james88 wrote:Wolfman Jake wrote:Interesting. Siege Optimus seems to be about the same height as his Classics self, maybe a millimeter or two taller at most. That's a little bit disappointing, as Classics Optimus Prime was an undersized Voyager back in its day. I'm glad Hasbro wised up on using better gray plastics for Megatron this time. That comparison with the Titans Return Megatron just shows how sickly pale it was. Siege gets it right on the nose, despite it not having a shiny top coat of silver paint.
But Classics Optimus was the first ever voyager class toy. So how could it be an undersized voyager back in its day?
Ah dammit, of course it did. How could i forget.
Posted by Dr. Caelus on November 4th, 2018 @ 8:07am CST
Fireback wrote:E.g. I was happy to see such A Negative backlash to TiTans Starfire being cast as Anna Diop (who is A Lovely black woman) BUT,,, She's not built for an Iconic Character like Teen Titans Starfire! Who's an Upper Eschelon "comic babe". Alittle tiny, cute & petite black chic is far from A 6ft. Miami Beach; Banging Red head broad w/ A Really bad orange tan. Which she's been for almost 50yrs. Thus I was happy My YouTube video "Teen Titans trailer Trash" (see: "5 Fold Understanding" YouTube) Went over really well w/ people....
While color and build are important considerations for human characters because they influence a character's past experience, they're irrelevant to a character from outside Earth's social/cultural context.
Starfire is a chipper, polyamorous extraterrestrial powerhouse. Her sexual attitudes, behaviors, and relationships are part of her character; her color and shape are part of her (often insultingly lowbrow) marketing, not her character.
Also, "babe", "chic", and "broad"? Is patriarchal-bro considered a dialect now?
Posted by DeathReviews on November 4th, 2018 @ 9:24am CST
And not because he turned into a pistol. But because the robot mode was so embarrassingly bad. Those floppy extend-o-hips, the stubby arms, that horrible coffee table crotch, and the pull trigger in his groin which was the source of so much juvenile locker-room joking...
Posted by ScottyP on November 4th, 2018 @ 9:33am CST
I mean Vector Prime being a Time Voyager is where the class name came fromwilliam-james88 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:The Voyager class began in the Cybertron line, right before Classics.william-james88 wrote:Wolfman Jake wrote:Interesting. Siege Optimus seems to be about the same height as his Classics self, maybe a millimeter or two taller at most. That's a little bit disappointing, as Classics Optimus Prime was an undersized Voyager back in its day. I'm glad Hasbro wised up on using better gray plastics for Megatron this time. That comparison with the Titans Return Megatron just shows how sickly pale it was. Siege gets it right on the nose, despite it not having a shiny top coat of silver paint.
But Classics Optimus was the first ever voyager class toy. So how could it be an undersized voyager back in its day?
Ah dammit, of course it did. How could i forget, it has the greatest voyager figure of all time.
Posted by Dr. Caelus on November 4th, 2018 @ 9:34am CST
DeathReviews wrote:I know without G1 Megatron, we wouldn't have the much BETTER Megatrons that we have today. But I can't help wondering if Hasbro looks at the original toy, shakes their heads and wonders, 'What the heck were we THINKING?'
And not because he turned into a pistol. But because the robot mode was so embarrassingly bad. Those floppy extend-o-hips, the stubby arms, that horrible coffee table crotch, and the pull trigger in his groin which was the source of so much juvenile locker-room joking...
Looking at these figures has reminded me of a question I've pondered off and on for years - if you got even one of these figures, traveled back to 1985, and handed it to a HasTak designer, would they even know where to start with reproducing the design elements? How many elements of modern toy engineering stem from manufacturing abilities they didn't have in the 80s?
Posted by Seibertron on November 4th, 2018 @ 9:47am CST
Emerje wrote:Seibertron wrote:JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Toys 'R Us was the only chain to actually carry Titan Class in its physical stores. With that having gone belly up, there are no real alternatives outside of online. That may change in the following year, depending on how the successor will do, and how the reissues sell at Walmart I'm guessing
This is 100% incorrect. Titans Return was carried at Target and Walmart as well as other big box stores. Toys R Us didn't have anything unique about Titans Return or any other recent mainline Transformers series.
Titan Class, not Titans return.
Doh! You are correct. Sorry JelZe GoldRabbit!
Posted by Skritz on November 4th, 2018 @ 9:52am CST
That said seeing this Megatron make me realize just how hideous the coloring on TR Megatron is by comparison.
Posted by Seibertron on November 4th, 2018 @ 9:56am CST
DeathReviews wrote:I know without G1 Megatron, we wouldn't have the much BETTER Megatrons that we have today. But I can't help wondering if Hasbro looks at the original toy, shakes their heads and wonders, 'What the heck were we THINKING?'
And not because he turned into a pistol. But because the robot mode was so embarrassingly bad. Those floppy extend-o-hips, the stubby arms, that horrible coffee table crotch, and the pull trigger in his groin which was the source of so much juvenile locker-room joking...
First, I love that I forgot to extend G1 Megatron's arms for those pics. Ooops!
Second, I disagree about G1 Megatron or other similar robots being embarrassingly bad. I love the G1 Megatron. I love the look of a lot of Transformers who have elements of their alt mode used in clever ways in their robot modes. To me, that was always part of the charm. Having everything "hide" away to form a sleek robot mode that is evocative of their respective cartoon models is how we end up with a WFC Siege Voyager Class Optimus Prime that has to have a front bumper and grill section that isn't integrated into his robot mode or various Starscreams where the front of the jet no longer forms the middle of his front torso which is now faked unfortunately. "Form dictates function" shouldn't be a bad thing with Transformers. A little more emphasis on that could continue providing unique robot modes for future Transformers. Not everyone needs to have a standard humanoid robot form.
Posted by Wireless_Phantom on November 4th, 2018 @ 10:04am CST
Caelus wrote:Fireback wrote:E.g. I was happy to see such A Negative backlash to TiTans Starfire being cast as Anna Diop (who is A Lovely black woman) BUT,,, She's not built for an Iconic Character like Teen Titans Starfire! Who's an Upper Eschelon "comic babe". Alittle tiny, cute & petite black chic is far from A 6ft. Miami Beach; Banging Red head broad w/ A Really bad orange tan. Which she's been for almost 50yrs. Thus I was happy My YouTube video "Teen Titans trailer Trash" (see: "5 Fold Understanding" YouTube) Went over really well w/ people....
While color and build are important considerations for human characters because they influence a character's past experience, they're irrelevant to a character from outside Earth's social/cultural context.
Starfire is a chipper, polyamorous extraterrestrial powerhouse. Her sexual attitudes, behaviors, and relationships are part of her character; her color and shape are part of her (often insultingly lowbrow) marketing, not her character.
Also, "babe", "chic", and "broad"? Is patriarchal-bro considered a dialect now?
Alright I'm going to chime in again on this. Firstly I don't completely agree with you. I think that Starfire should have been cast as someone who does more closely resemble her usual design, at least in terms of skin tone. Before somebody calls me racist it probably would still be an African American woman that would match the best in terms of that (many of the cosplays of her out there are proof enough of that. That's also not to mention that her powers are nothing like those of the original character either from what we have seen. I do think she could use a less sexualised costume compared to the comics version in general but just because the old ones look stupid. Also I agree with you on the way he talks being stupid but I think I'd call it fifties asshole as opposed to what you called it.
There, now lets stop this conversation all together and get back on topic.
Posted by Skritz on November 4th, 2018 @ 10:18am CST
Seibertron wrote:DeathReviews wrote:I know without G1 Megatron, we wouldn't have the much BETTER Megatrons that we have today. But I can't help wondering if Hasbro looks at the original toy, shakes their heads and wonders, 'What the heck were we THINKING?'
And not because he turned into a pistol. But because the robot mode was so embarrassingly bad. Those floppy extend-o-hips, the stubby arms, that horrible coffee table crotch, and the pull trigger in his groin which was the source of so much juvenile locker-room joking...
First, I love that I forgot to extend G1 Megatron's arms for those pics. Ooops!
Second, I disagree about G1 Megatron or other similar robots being embarrassingly bad. I love the G1 Megatron. I love the look of a lot of Transformers who have elements of their alt mode used in clever ways in their robot modes. To me, that was always part of the charm. Having everything "hide" away to form a sleek robot mode that is evocative of their respective cartoon models is how we end up with a WFC Siege Voyager Class Optimus Prime that has to have a front bumper and grill section that isn't integrated into his robot mode or various Starscreams where the front of the jet no longer forms the middle of his front torso which is now faked unfortunately. "Form dictates function" shouldn't be a bad thing with Transformers. A little more emphasis on that could continue providing unique robot modes for future Transformers. Not everyone needs to have a standard humanoid robot form.
It's funny you say that because this same design standard is what, years ago, had people whining about overly large and intrusive 'kibble'.
Posted by Dr. Caelus on November 4th, 2018 @ 10:34am CST
Skritz wrote:It's funny you say that because this same design standard is what, years ago, had people whining about overly large and intrusive 'kibble'.
It's not quite the ssame IMO - G1 Starscream and G1 Soundwave's chests are good example of altmode integration. Classics Prime's arm shields and Classic Megatron's butterfly wings are kibble.
Posted by william-james88 on November 4th, 2018 @ 10:49am CST
Caelus wrote:Skritz wrote:It's funny you say that because this same design standard is what, years ago, had people whining about overly large and intrusive 'kibble'.
It's not quite the ssame IMO - G1 Starscream and G1 Soundwave's chests are good example of altmode integration. Classics Prime's arm shields and Classic Megatron's butterfly wings are kibble.
Agreed, well said and explained. Also regarding G1 Megatron, Hasbro had nothing to do with its design.
Posted by ScottyP on November 4th, 2018 @ 10:49am CST
Skritz wrote:It's funny you say that because this same design standard is what, years ago, had people whining about overly large and intrusive 'kibble'.
Kibble is the spice of life when it comes to Transformers. Too much can be a bad thing, but without enough you just have...
And I'm not here for that. A sleek robot with a piece of a car sticking off is part of the charm. Without it, it doesn't look like they're trying to be "robots in disguise"!Seibertron wrote:a standard humanoid robot form.
Posted by Dr. Caelus on November 4th, 2018 @ 11:14am CST
ScottyP wrote:Skritz wrote:It's funny you say that because this same design standard is what, years ago, had people whining about overly large and intrusive 'kibble'.
Kibble is the spice of life when it comes to Transformers. Too much can be a bad thing, but without enough you just have...And I'm not here for that. A sleek robot with a piece of a car sticking off is part of the charm. Without it, it doesn't look like they're trying to be "robots in disguise"!Seibertron wrote:a standard humanoid robot form.
One of my regrets for the movies is that they didn't make TFs more like those bugs or fish that disguise themselves as plants with varying degrees of success.