Takara Tomy Transformers Legends LG58 Clone Bot Set, LG59 Blitzwing, LG60 Overlord Confirmed

Do we know if the clones will be all 4, the Cloudraker/Wingspan pack or a Pounce/Fastlane pack?

Insurgent wrote:Do we know if the clones will be all 4, the Cloudraker/Wingspan pack or a Pounce/Fastlane pack?

We do not, but considering it's called 'clone set' rather than 'destron clone set' or 'cybertron clone set', I'm gonna assume it's all four.

Hey so disregard all that, the listing is actually for a "Clone BOT" set, so it's just Cloudraker and Fastlane for now.

Hhhmmmmm...... I'll be keeping an eye on that, if I can't find hasbro Pounce and Fastlane for a proper price.


EDIT: Hhmhmmmmmm..... I'll be keeping an eye on that, if I can't find hasbro Fastlane for a proper price.

Honestly, with Takara releasing the clones like this, I'd fully expect Hasbro's Pounce and Fastlane to fall dramatically in price on ebay.

I hope so. That would be perfect.

psssst. Insurgent! Your sig is a wee bit large there mate!

Emerje wrote:

Nemesis Destron wrote:So did I imagine that Blitzwing will be a part of the Legends line? I guess when I read about Octane I simply assumed but I guess I was wrong...?

It would be shocking if they didn't do him eventually since the previous figure was from the Generations line. I think the only reason why Octane happened first was because of Trypticon. I'm sure we'll hear something by the end of the year for a 2018 release.

Emerje

That's some clairvoyance you got Emerje! My sincere thanks!

So, I'd like to draw everyone's attention towards the prices.

-As presumably a set of two Legends figures, we don't have a direct comparison for the Clone Bots at 36 USD; but it seems to be consistent and sensible alongside, say, Bumblebee at 20 USD.

-At 55 USD, Blitzwing is the same price as Octane and Broadside -- both of whom came with extras. We could be seeing a Titan Master vehicle or even a new Titan Master alongside him.

-Of most note is Overlord at 90 USD. As this price is nowhere near Ginrai's 130, we can finally put to rest that there won't be overly major changes -- it is higher than Sixshot's 80 and Blaster's 85 though, so make of that what you will. Probably accounts for a second and maybe third Titan Master.

Burn wrote:psssst. Insurgent! Your sig is a wee bit large there mate!

Sorry. Been so long since I changed sigs, I forgot there were limits. And I only changed it because Photobucket decided to be greedy. I'll figure out a way to get my old one back later.

Ginrai's original price on tfsource was $95 I believe. They most likely sold out, got a few extra in and then jacked up the price because they knew people would be desperate to get him. There could be more to their overlord but we won't know until he's revealed.

Kurona wrote:So, I'd like to draw everyone's attention towards the prices.

-As presumably a set of two Legends figures, we don't have a direct comparison for the Clone Bots at 36 USD; but it seems to be consistent and sensible alongside, say, Bumblebee at 20 USD.

-At 55 USD, Blitzwing is the same price as Octane and Broadside -- both of whom came with extras. We could be seeing a Titan Master vehicle or even a new Titan Master alongside him.

-Of most note is Overlord at 90 USD. As this price is nowhere near Ginrai's 130, we can finally put to rest that there won't be overly major changes -- it is higher than Sixshot's 80 and Blaster's 85 though, so make of that what you will. Probably accounts for a second and maybe third Titan Master.

The US prices wont give us the best comparisons since we arnet taking into account the change in exchange during that time. It wasnt put in our news but here are the prices in yen







Compare those to Octane and Jinra
http://www.amiami.com/top/detail/detail ... agecnt%3D1

http://www.amiami.com/top/detail/detail ... agecnt%3D1

And take into account the small tax amiami adds, you now notice that Overlord has the exact same MSRP as Ginrai.

Well shoot, we're gonna get a badass Overlord

Kurona wrote:Well shoot, we're gonna get a badass Overlord

But remember, this is very very close to the MSRP of Blaster, who had nothing almost different. The prices are not related to how much effort is put into them, its just a price point. So the only differnce might just be an extra titan master.

good seems I can get the clones at a reasonable price

GalvatronG1 wrote:good seems I can get the clones at a reasonable price

I much preffer the $17.99 price tag a clone 2 pack costs in the US.

william-james88 wrote:

GalvatronG1 wrote:good seems I can get the clones at a reasonable price

I much preffer the $17.99 price tag a clone 2 pack costs in the US.

And I much prefer the $35.99 price tag compared to the $17.99 for one clone pack... on top of $99.99 for the other clone. Perspective is everything

Kurona wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

GalvatronG1 wrote:good seems I can get the clones at a reasonable price

I much preffer the $17.99 price tag a clone 2 pack costs in the US.

And I much prefer the $35.99 price tag compared to the $17.99 for one clone pack... on top of $99.99 for the other clone. Perspective is everything

HA!

Kurona wrote:So, I'd like to draw everyone's attention towards the prices.

-As presumably a set of two Legends figures, we don't have a direct comparison for the Clone Bots at 36 USD; but it seems to be consistent and sensible alongside, say, Bumblebee at 20 USD.

-At 55 USD, Blitzwing is the same price as Octane and Broadside -- both of whom came with extras. We could be seeing a Titan Master vehicle or even a new Titan Master alongside him.

-Of most note is Overlord at 90 USD. As this price is nowhere near Ginrai's 130, we can finally put to rest that there won't be overly major changes -- it is higher than Sixshot's 80 and Blaster's 85 though, so make of that what you will. Probably accounts for a second and maybe third Titan Master.

As someone else mentioned, you have to compare the Japanese yen prices, not US retailer prices.

Blitzwing is the same price as Octane and Broadside, which came with an extra Headmaster (Octane) and Titan Master vehicle (Broadside).

The Clones are 3500 Yen. Which is 500 Yen less than the price of the smaller two packs Takara releases (legends scale Transformer with Headmaster - Bumblebee & Spike, Kickback & Clouder, etc). These small 2 packs are 2000 yen, so the two clones being that twice that price minus 500 yen seems about right.

Overlord is the same price as Ginrai, who had significant changes. They are both 500 yen more than the other Leaders such as Sixshot. The 500 yen increase could simply be for the addition of an extra Headmaster (see Octane's price increase).

Randy

Powered Convoy wrote:The Clones are 3500 Yen. Which is 500 Yen less than the price of the smaller two packs Takara releases (legends scale Transformer with Headmaster - Bumblebee & Spike, Kickback & Clouder, etc). These small 2 packs are 2000 yen, so the two clones being that twice that price minus 500 yen seems about right.

It's also about the same price as the Adventures box set of Rumble and Frenzy at ¥3,500. Granted, those were Scouts, but I think Takara Tomy is more interested in the price point than the contents. The Generations 2-packs were ¥3,600 which when accounting for inflation and removing the Micromasters is pretty much the same price.

Emerje

The bigger question, I think, is how will Takara change up the clones compared to Hasbro's releases? What could they do, really? Will it be a situation as it is apparently with Legends Trypticon, where Takara is basically releasing the Hasbro version in their market with minimal changes?

Wolfman Jake wrote:The bigger question, I think, is how will Takara change up the clones compared to Hasbro's releases? What could they do, really? Will it be a situation as it is apparently with Legends Trypticon, where Takara is basically releasing the Hasbro version in their market with minimal changes?

Likely just give them more cartoon-accurate decoes. I doubt there'd be any tooling they'd want to change; the tooling right now is about as accurate as could be.

Kurona wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:The bigger question, I think, is how will Takara change up the clones compared to Hasbro's releases? What could they do, really? Will it be a situation as it is apparently with Legends Trypticon, where Takara is basically releasing the Hasbro version in their market with minimal changes?

Likely just give them more cartoon-accurate decoes. I doubt there'd be any tooling they'd want to change; the tooling right now is about as accurate as could be.

I just checked the cartoon representations of the clones. Hasbro's Fastlane and Cloudraker look pretty much on point with their G1 cartoon selves. As for Pounce and Wingspan, though, they could use some work, particular with their faces. I'm sure Takara will want to actually paint them, lol.

Remember, these will be based on their appearance in the Headmasters series space pirate ship episode (I think Pounce and Wingspan only appeared once again in the final episode, I don't remember the Autobot clones appearing again).Which means they will still have white faces.

Looking forward to what will do with Overlord considering the offering looks pretty good. I'm hoping for Mega & Giga as some form of Power(god)masters & either a third Titan Master sized figure for the head or just a regular head without the headmaster gimmick. We shall see...

Wolfman Jake wrote:The bigger question, I think, is how will Takara change up the clones compared to Hasbro's releases? What could they do, really? Will it be a situation as it is apparently with Legends Trypticon, where Takara is basically releasing the Hasbro version in their market with minimal changes?

If both releases are the same then why would we call one the Hasbro version?

Looks like Big Bad Toystore is already taking Preorders on the new legends figures:

http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/Search?Hi ... m_content=

They list the release date as Jan 2018.

They are also taking preorders on MP-40 due out next February:

http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/Product/V ... ails/57562

william-james88 wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:The bigger question, I think, is how will Takara change up the clones compared to Hasbro's releases? What could they do, really? Will it be a situation as it is apparently with Legends Trypticon, where Takara is basically releasing the Hasbro version in their market with minimal changes?

If both releases are the same then why would we call one the Hasbro version?

Because one is from Hasbro, one is from Takara. There will be no difference to the figures, just the boxes and paperwork, but they will still be from different companies.

Wolfman Jake wrote:

Kurona wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:The bigger question, I think, is how will Takara change up the clones compared to Hasbro's releases? What could they do, really? Will it be a situation as it is apparently with Legends Trypticon, where Takara is basically releasing the Hasbro version in their market with minimal changes?

Likely just give them more cartoon-accurate decoes. I doubt there'd be any tooling they'd want to change; the tooling right now is about as accurate as could be.

I just checked the cartoon representations of the clones. Hasbro's Fastlane and Cloudraker look pretty much on point with their G1 cartoon selves.

Which cartoon did you look at?



OR



Cuz, Takara would go with the first one above.

I hope Overlord comes with a G1 inspired gun.

Sabrblade wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:

Kurona wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:The bigger question, I think, is how will Takara change up the clones compared to Hasbro's releases? What could they do, really? Will it be a situation as it is apparently with Legends Trypticon, where Takara is basically releasing the Hasbro version in their market with minimal changes?

Likely just give them more cartoon-accurate decoes. I doubt there'd be any tooling they'd want to change; the tooling right now is about as accurate as could be.

I just checked the cartoon representations of the clones. Hasbro's Fastlane and Cloudraker look pretty much on point with their G1 cartoon selves.

Which cartoon did you look at?



OR



Cuz, Takara would go with the first one above.

Yikes. Option 2, please!

So, to summarize, Hasbro released the Generations Autobot clones with white faces, which match their animation counterparts from G1, but the original toys from G1 had red faces, which were retained for the Headmasters cartoon back in the day. However, Hasbro has released the Generations Decepticon clones with white faces too, matching their original toys from G1 and NOT the cartoon. That's not surprising for Hasbro, given that they tend to skew more towards the toys than the cartoons as the "authority" on a character's look and paint apps. However, this is add odds with what they did for the Autobot clones. If Takara does red faces for their Autobot clones, would they dare to make yellow faces for their Decepticon clones? It wouldn't match the Headmasters cartoon OR the original toys, but their appearance from "The Rebirth." This would though give collectors a chance to mix and match to get a complete set of four that's either more "The Rebirth" accurate or "The Headmasters"/G1 toy accurate. Takara has done some wacky things we wouldn't expect before with deco choices, if only in the name of doing it differently the Hasbro has done it, even if it means sacrificing cartoon accuracy.

ausbot wrote:I hope Overlord comes with a G1 inspired gun.

As well as a Neat Base Mode

might get some Additions with Overlord i hope, Missiles, Radar Dishes, Turrets and Repair Docks, as well as 2 Tankettes for him .

Wolfman Jake wrote:Takara... sacrificing cartoon accuracy.

DOES NOT COMPUTE! DOES NOT COMPUTE!

Sabrblade wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:Takara... sacrificing cartoon accuracy.

DOES NOT COMPUTE! DOES NOT COMPUTE!

It's strange, but true! Sometimes Takara throws us a loop and gives us something decidedly "off model." I think they throw a couple of those in every once in a while just to make sure we're paying attention.

Like the colors on Unite warriors Blast-off?

I wish UW Blast Off's colours were toy-accurate...

Kurona wrote:I wish UW Blast Off's colours were toy-accurate...

UW Bruticus was the only combiner I was really split on with which version to buy. Toy accurate colours on UW Blast off would have sealed the deal for me. As it turns out, Hasbro's toy accurate deco on their blast off ends up being its redeeming factor (wrong mold but gorgeous colours!)

UW Blast Off's orange seems to be a similar issue with Takara's using pastel colors for Galvatron. Some at Takara really needs to adjust the color settings on their monitor.

Honestly my biggest problems with UW Blastoff are the rather chunky shuttle mode and the fact his nosecone looks like nothing so much as a heaving bosom under a tight shuttle-themed jumper, which naturally is a bit of an issue. (Though it does make me wonder about a CW/UW Spacewarp.) UW Movor/Shuttler looks much better with his more toyetic configuration and the nosecone forming his backpack.

Honestly though, between the QC issues with UW Bruticus, that kinda silly Blastoff-coloured chestplate and the fact that Ruination/Baldigus comes with MOAR DAKKA, I think I'll be going (eventually) for Ruination rather than Bruticus for my military-themed combiner, unless Maketoys makes a Bruticus.

A lot of those reasons are exactly why I decided against UW in favour of CW. Hasbro Bruticus just looks so, so much better it's not even funny.

Kurona wrote:A lot of those reasons are exactly why I decided against UW in favour of CW. Hasbro Bruticus just looks so, so much better it's not even funny.

Blastoff UW over Hb Blastoff? Really now! Sure there are some issues with the head module clearance but saying the Hb looks better is just too much nitpicking for the sake of it!

Colors are homages to the anime. Shuttle design is indeed different but at least it's a shuttle and not a Harrier jump jet (and still called Blastoff? Why no call him "Jumpoff then?)

Also, Baldigus only improvement aside from the re color are the new feet and fists plus the Computron weapons.

But I didn't refer to any of the things you're talking about. I was just saying Hasbro Bruticus looked better to me and agreeing with Black Hat's saying the Blast Off-coloured chestplate looked silly.

Either way, this has gone off-topic for a wee bit too long. I should have said a fair few posts ago that we should be taking this to the Unite Warriors thread.

Sabrblade wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:

Kurona wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:The bigger question, I think, is how will Takara change up the clones compared to Hasbro's releases? What could they do, really? Will it be a situation as it is apparently with Legends Trypticon, where Takara is basically releasing the Hasbro version in their market with minimal changes?

Likely just give them more cartoon-accurate decoes. I doubt there'd be any tooling they'd want to change; the tooling right now is about as accurate as could be.

I just checked the cartoon representations of the clones. Hasbro's Fastlane and Cloudraker look pretty much on point with their G1 cartoon selves.

Which cartoon did you look at?



OR



Cuz, Takara would go with the first one above.

Seeing Punch there from Rebirth reminds me that I really want a new Punch/Counterpunch figure. But most important is that either co., looking at you Takara Legends, use the TF: Headmaster model for his head and both faces. Totally diff look and so way better to me. Its time finally, 2018 will be the year of the Punch....and Counterpunch.

Any idea when the Headmaster part of Legends will end? I know it's going into January but not sure beyond that. Curious if they'll release Quake as a double Targetmaster

chuckdawg1999 wrote:Any idea when the Headmaster part of Legends will end? I know it's going into January but not sure beyond that. Curious if they'll release Quake as a double Targetmaster

If they release him at all. After all he's a straight retool, and a US-exclusive character at that, thus his chances are pretty slim. Same thing for Krok. I'm still waiting on Lightfoot (Getaway) to set the trend, but no sight of him yet.

We still have a few releases left, including:

- the Jumpstarters Topspin and Twin Twist. Whirl and Roadbuster have been acknowledged as Marvel UK Wreckers (with tophats, monocles and posh accent to match), so nothing stopping them from getting released.
- Decepticon Clones Pounce & Wingspan aka the Clonetron (in Japan, Cybertron subgroups end in "-bot", and Destron ones in "-tron"). We got the Clonebots Fastlane & Cloudraker, finish the set!
- Mini-Bot Seaspray, just 'cause.
- Windblade to end the phase with a bang, ideally with Scorchfire as Nijika, her sister.
- the Headmaster Warriors Lione, Shuffler and Toraizer.
- Black Shadow will get turned into an exclusive, mark my words!

After that, who knows? I'm predicting the Prime Masters to have the face plates retooled and released as the standard Pretenders. Only one missing from that line-up so far is Diver or Waverider.

Really interested to see pics of Overlord. I'm considering skipping Hasbro's version entirely for Takara's but I want to see it first. Really hoping Giga and Mega are included

Just had a wild thought, If Takara brings back Unite Warriors for PotP, they could in theory do Liokiaser using a Silverbolt repaint/retool for Leozack and then use Fastclash as Jarugar, giving him a gun secondary form for the team. The peg used to hold the spoiler would work as a handle.

grimdragon2001 wrote:Just had a wild thought, If Takara brings back Unite Warriors for PotP, they could in theory do Liokiaser using a Silverbolt repaint/retool for Leozack and then use Fastclash as Jarugar, giving him a gun secondary form for the team. The peg used to hold the spoiler would work as a handle.

I don't know how realistic it is, but if was going to do a Liokaiser, I would want them to do it right & have Leozack & Jaruga as two separate figures that combine to form the torso. To be honest, the version wasn't too bad. I liked the face sculpts of the four limb components. That thing in the center.....well I won't even go into that, but if they made a proper version of the Breastformers team, I wouldn't even mind if they didn't have the chest minions.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

chuckdawg1999 wrote:Any idea when the Headmaster part of Legends will end? I know it's going into January but not sure beyond that. Curious if they'll release Quake as a double Targetmaster

If they release him at all. After all he's a straight retool, and a US-exclusive character at that, thus his chances are pretty slim. Same thing for Krok. I'm still waiting on Lightfoot (Getaway) to set the trend, but no sight of him yet.

We still have a few releases left, including:

- the Jumpstarters Topspin and Twin Twist. Whirl and Roadbuster have been acknowledged as Marvel UK Wreckers (with tophats, monocles and posh accent to match), so nothing stopping them from getting released.
- Decepticon Clones Pounce & Wingspan aka the Clonetron (in Japan, Cybertron subgroups end in "-bot", and Destron ones in "-tron"). We got the Clonebots Fastlane & Cloudraker, finish the set!
- Mini-Bot Seaspray, just 'cause.
- Windblade to end the phase with a bang, ideally with Scorchfire as Nijika, her sister.
- the Headmaster Warriors Lione, Shuffler and Toraizer.
- Black Shadow will get turned into an exclusive, mark my words!

After that, who knows? I'm predicting the Prime Masters to have the face plates retooled and released as the standard Pretenders. Only one missing from that line-up so far is Diver or Waverider.

How many of those figures might get held off until what I can assume is their Masterforce tribute line?

chuckdawg1999 wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

chuckdawg1999 wrote:Any idea when the Headmaster part of Legends will end? I know it's going into January but not sure beyond that. Curious if they'll release Quake as a double Targetmaster

If they release him at all. After all he's a straight retool, and a US-exclusive character at that, thus his chances are pretty slim. Same thing for Krok. I'm still waiting on Lightfoot (Getaway) to set the trend, but no sight of him yet.

We still have a few releases left, including:

- the Jumpstarters Topspin and Twin Twist. Whirl and Roadbuster have been acknowledged as Marvel UK Wreckers (with tophats, monocles and posh accent to match), so nothing stopping them from getting released.
- Decepticon Clones Pounce & Wingspan aka the Clonetron (in Japan, Cybertron subgroups end in "-bot", and Destron ones in "-tron"). We got the Clonebots Fastlane & Cloudraker, finish the set!
- Mini-Bot Seaspray, just 'cause.
- Windblade to end the phase with a bang, ideally with Scorchfire as Nijika, her sister.
- the Headmaster Warriors Lione, Shuffler and Toraizer.
- Black Shadow will get turned into an exclusive, mark my words!

After that, who knows? I'm predicting the Prime Masters to have the face plates retooled and released as the standard Pretenders. Only one missing from that line-up so far is Diver or Waverider.

How many of those figures might get held off until what I can assume is their Masterforce tribute line?

None of the ones listed in JelZe's bullet points were Masterforce characters, though.

Plus, the Legends line currently has a ton of Masterforce characters in its fiction in addition to The Headmasters characters, so the time for Takara to be releasing Masterforce characters is now.

Sabrblade wrote:

chuckdawg1999 wrote:How many of those figures might get held off until what I can assume is their Masterforce tribute line?

None of the ones listed in JelZe's bullet points were Masterforce characters, though.

Plus, the Legends line currently has a ton of Masterforce characters in its fiction in addition to The Headmasters characters, so the time for Takara to be releasing Masterforce characters is now.

Overlord, God Ginrai, Goshooter, Minerva, Cab, Bullhorn, Cancer, those are Masterforce characters that made a toy appearance thus far. Still left are:

- Wilder from Fangry (can't believe I missed him )
- maaaayyybe Lightfoot from Getaway if TakaraTomy feel daring
- Buster from PotP Dreadwind
- Hydra from PotP Blackwing aka Darkwing
- the Pretenders from retooled PotP Prime Masters

That's my best guess. Don't expect an appearance from the Powermaster/Godmaster gimmick tho.