Takara Tomy Transformers Legends Gel Shark And Jetfire In-Hand Images

Strange thing about that Gelshark/Sky-Byte toy is that the packaging winds up using both names at once, with "SKY-BYTE" written in English and "Gerushaaku" written in Katakana.

Sabrblade wrote:Strange thing about that Gelshark/Sky-Byte toy is that the packaging winds up using both names at once, with "SKY-BYTE" written in English and "Gerushaaku" written in Katakana.

We had the same thing with Optimus Primal/Convoy and Rattrap/Rattle. I'm more surprised that TakaraTomy kept "Jetfire" for the Leader, even though he should be called "Skyfire" in accordance with the Henkei toy.

I found an even bigger surprise: his bio actually mentions RID or Robots in Disguise, plus it acknowledges his name in that series to be Sky-Byte (スカイバイト sukaibaito)!

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:I'm more surprised that TakaraTomy kept "Jetfire" for the Leader, even though he should be called "Skyfire" in accordance with the Henkei toy.

Well, they've had other Jetfire toys named "Jetfire". The G2 Cyberjet, for instance.

Sabrblade wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:I'm more surprised that TakaraTomy kept "Jetfire" for the Leader, even though he should be called "Skyfire" in accordance with the Henkei toy.

Well, they've had other Jetfire toys named "Jetfire". The G2 Cyberjet, for instance.

True, "Skyfire" isn't mention anywhere in his bio, but the cartoon itself is...

btw edited the post about Gelshark

Hey guys (and girls), I got a question. I was playing around with Hasbro's Roadbuster and comparing him to the Takara Legends version and I caught something odd in this picture:



How is that small missile launcher being kept in place near his right elbow?

william-james88 wrote:Hey guys (and girls), I got a question. I was playing around with Hasbro's Roadbuster and comparing him to the Takara Legends version and I caught something odd in this picture:



How is that small missile launcher being kept in place near his right elbow?

Is it attached to his chest instead?

Sabrblade wrote:
Is it attached to his chest instead?

AHA! I didnt even know there were holes there, thanks dude!

william-james88 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:
Is it attached to his chest instead?

AHA! I didnt even know there were holes there, thanks dude!

Wow I never noticed the launcher there before. The fun things people do with their toys.

just thought i would post some whirl mold comparison shots! enjoy!

shajaki wrote:
oh WJ... how right you are about our friend lena. my whirl and shocky are crisp and minty. i reaaaallly hope they list some more skybytes!

Haha, thanks for the nice words! I am so impressed with the quality of these Legends figures! Oh man, I wish it so much for you that you get a Gelshark. For the life of me I do not know why these were not chosen to be boxed and sold. Maybe this is just a case of overproduction and extra figures left once they had enough to fill their quota. Regardless, we got very luck this time.

Also, I wanted ot post here because I am looking at reviews of Hasbro's Generation Skybyte and they are resoundingly negative. Granted, the deco on Takara's is insanely better especially for that asymetric chest). But there are problems said that I simply dont see. I will agree that the right arm is odd and lazy and awkward. But, the complaints about him looking down and being unstable don't hold any water. He has amazing balance due to the way the feet are made (also seen negatively). And this allows for a nice curvature of his spine which makes it really easy to place him in a pose where he looks straight.



Also, as crappy as my cellphone image is, you guys can make out his eyes and what color they are. Which is why I do not get the criticism that the paint job on the eyes isn't great on the hasbro version. I mean, how bad can it be that you can't see his eyes?

william-james88 wrote:Oh man, I wish it so much for you that you get a Gelshark.

ha! dont worry bout me. ill buy a MISB one if i have to.

william-james88 wrote:Also, I wanted ot post here because I am looking at reviews of Hasbro's Generation Skybyte and they are resoundingly negative. Granted, the deco on Takara's is insanely better especially for that asymetric chest). But there are problems said that I simply dont see. I will agree that the right arm is odd and lazy and awkward. But, the complaints about him looking down and being unstable don't hold any water. He has amazing balance due to the way the feet are made (also seen negatively). And this allows for a nice curvature of his spine which makes it really easy to place him in a pose where he looks straight.

he did get a bad wrap. and i initially had issues with him, but he's really grown on me.

the right arm is actually my only complaint now. but if you think about it its not that big a deal since he doesnt have anything to hold or reason to point the arm (ala classics megatron). so the fixed wrist aint no thang
incidentally, i really like the other arm because the fin/claw/pincer thing can actually open and close this time around.

as for the instability, i might be able to shed some light (just a theory though). when transforming his legs, theres a part where you snap the shins into the knees, making the legs quite solid. but when i opened mine (he's obviously packaged in bot mode) and his legs are not securely snapped together properly. so assuming the he was TF'd right, i thought "damn those are some awkward unstable legs". but then i TF'd him to shark, then back to bot, and i figured it out.

so... maybe people arent transforming him correctly...? either way, he is rather solid and is a pretty great figure.

shajaki wrote:
the right arm is actually my only complaint now. but if you think about it its not that big a deal since he doesnt have anything to hold or reason to point the arm (ala classics megatron). so the fixed wrist aint no thang
incidentally, i really like the other arm because the fin/claw/pincer thing can actually open and close this time around.

as for the instability, i might be able to shed some light (just a theory though). when transforming his legs, theres a part where you snap the shins into the knees, making the legs quite solid. but when i opened mine (he's obviously packaged in bot mode) and his legs are not securely snapped together properly. so assuming the he was TF'd right, i thought "damn those are some awkward unstable legs". but then i TF'd him to shark, then back to bot, and i figured it out.

so... maybe people arent transforming him correctly...? either way, he is rather solid and is a pretty great figure.

Those were my thoughts. Coming from Lena, he was loose so I knew he wasn't in the definite transformed mode when I got him, which made me seek out his best transformation before commenting.

And funny you mention Classics Megs. I thought the SAME thing. And I love classic megs, so I can totally get behind this figure especially since, like you, that arm is my only issue. He is surprisingly stable and solid. I am very impressed by his design. And that Shark mode has the best paneling I have seen in quite a while.

I've got Gelshark preordered... Super excited for him!

I'd still buy the Hasbro version on sight, though, if I ever see him...

megatronus wrote:I've got Gelshark preordered... Super excited for him!

I'd still buy the Hasbro version on sight, though, if I ever see him...

Why get the hasbro if you have the Gelshark on the way? I hope I dont come across as elitist to takara, I am just curious. Also, does anyone know why Hasbro did not go for the asymmetrical chest? Because every version of the character ever depicted seem to have the two colored chest design, unless I am wrong (in that case, please let me know).

william-james88 wrote:Also, does anyone know why Hasbro did not go for the asymmetrical chest? Because every version of the character ever depicted seem to have the two colored chest design, unless I am wrong (in that case, please let me know).

Possibly due to the chest forming the shark head this time, which isn't as asymmetrical as the robot mode chest is.

william-james88 wrote:

megatronus wrote:I've got Gelshark preordered... Super excited for him!

I'd still buy the Hasbro version on sight, though, if I ever see him...

Why get the hasbro if you have the Gelshark on the way? I hope I dont come across as elitist to takara, I am just curious.

No worries - over time, I've become a Hasbro generations completist (which is elitist in its own way).

New photos from TF YUKI:




He also posted sketches of Ginrai:

Takara Tomy's unofficial social media PR Hisashi Yuki has taken to Twitter again to show off the upcoming Legends figures LG08 Tailgate and Swerve and LG09 Brainstorm, along with Targetmasters and Headmaster - and of course, MP-24 Star Saber (more on the upcoming Masterpiece figure over here).

Thrown into the mix is also a concept doodle by Yuki of Ginrai - speculation time, or just some social media fodder from the vaults? Let us know what you think in the Energon Pub!

Those doodle are most probably for the original Ginrai/PM Optimus Prime.

tailgate actually looks good.

fenrir72 wrote:Those doodle are most probably for the original Ginrai/PM Optimus Prime.

Yeah, I'm likewise thinking they might be sketches from the original 1988 toy's production.

But if not, they could instead have been something Yuki-san was drawing for the Fans Choice poll had Super Jinrai won instead of Star Saber.

Sabrblade wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:Those doodle are most probably for the original Ginrai/PM Optimus Prime.

Yeah, I'm likewise thinking they might be sketches from the original 1988 toy's production.

But if not, they could instead have been something Yuki-san was drawing for the Fans Choice poll had Super Jinrai won instead of Star Saber.

More or less. But if this would have been another MP Ginrai, having a windshield for a back would be a slap to modern engineering techniques ( that or do the henkei convoy transform sequence) let alone be a Masterpiece.

Edt:

What's weird though is that for the first time, the original PM Optimus USA release had longer stacks while the die-cast cab Ginrai had shorter ones, why that didn't carry over to Yuki's doodle is kind of surprising. Another thing, if you still own the original Hasbro catalogue for the Powermaster/Pretenders, PM Optimus Prime was waaaaaaay different from the final product. That proto hand more angled feet and a proportional head.

shajaki wrote:some new in hand pics of legends jetfire from Alfes 2010

Nice, should be getting mine next week, cant wait!

fenrir72 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:Those doodle are most probably for the original Ginrai/PM Optimus Prime.

Yeah, I'm likewise thinking they might be sketches from the original 1988 toy's production.

But if not, they could instead have been something Yuki-san was drawing for the Fans Choice poll had Super Jinrai won instead of Star Saber.

More or less. But if this would have been another MP Ginrai, having a windshield for a back would be a slap to modern engineering techniques ( that or do the henkei convoy transform sequence) let alone be a Masterpiece.

Not when that makes it show-accurate.



Besides, MP-1 and MP-10 both had two truck grills, MP-9 had two flame hoods, etc.

Sabrblade wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:Those doodle are most probably for the original Ginrai/PM Optimus Prime.

Yeah, I'm likewise thinking they might be sketches from the original 1988 toy's production.

But if not, they could instead have been something Yuki-san was drawing for the Fans Choice poll had Super Jinrai won instead of Star Saber.

More or less. But if this would have been another MP Ginrai, having a windshield for a back would be a slap to modern engineering techniques ( that or do the henkei convoy transform sequence) let alone be a Masterpiece.

Not when that makes it show-accurate.



Besides, MP-1 and MP-10 both had two truck grills, MP-9 had two flame hoods, etc.

I have no problem with the grills, that's were the Godmaster/engine attaches. It's the windshield on his back at an angle (gives Ginrai a stooping appearance)......me no like.

leakin' lubricant wrote:

shajaki wrote:some new in hand pics of legends jetfire from Alfes 2010

Nice, should be getting mine next week, cant wait!

D@mn holidays got my UM and Jetfire stuck at Tokyo expecting them in the next 2 weeks.

fenrir72 wrote:
I have no problem with the grills, that's were the Godmaster/engine attaches. It's the windshield on his back at an angle (gives Ginrai a stooping appearance)......me no like.

Ok, I know I will sound like a newbie but you guys have been nice and understanding before.

Why is this Ginrai and not Convoy?

william-james88 wrote:Why is this Ginrai and not Convoy?

When the Powermaster Optimus Prime toy was released in Japan, it was as a new character named Ginrai (with a soft G, like "Jin-rye") since, in the Japanese cartoon continuity, Optimus/Convoy was already dead once again, so they decided to make it into a new character instead of bringing him back to life for a third time.

Plus, the Powermaster concept in Japan was reworked into the Godmaster concept, which would have made it difficult for the toy to represent Convoy anyway, since it put more focus on the human rather than the Transtector.

william-james88 wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:
I have no problem with the grills, that's were the Godmaster/engine attaches. It's the windshield on his back at an angle (gives Ginrai a stooping appearance)......me no like.

Ok, I know I will sound like a newbie but you guys have been nice and understanding before.

Why is this Ginrai and not Convoy?

The short story is that in the Japanese timeline, Convoy gets killed off (again) in The Headmasters. The difference is, he wouldn't be properly revived until after Zone in Return of Convoy, as Star Convoy.
Ginrai's body was meant for Convoy, but for unknown reasons, it was turned into a new character named Ginrai. The fact it was a lifeless Transtector (at first) controlled by a human (the Engine) akin to a Japanese Headmaster probably had something to do with it.

Takara's Flanker is a drastic departure from the U.S. release. I like how the gun mode mimics Swerve's "my first blaster" from MTMTE. Are those Flanker's original colors or is that a nod to something else?

Takara's Flanker is a drastic departure from the U.S. release. I like how the gun mode mimics Swerve's "my first blaster" from MTMTE. Are those Flanker's original colors or is that a nod to something else?

wetwithwaterwings wrote:Takara's Flanker is a drastic departure from the U.S. release. I like how the gun mode mimics Swerve's "my first blaster" from MTMTE. Are those Flanker's original colors or is that a nod to something else?

Flanker's been redecoed into being the Micromaster Phaser partner of Blast Master (who is the real identity of Cosmos's Payload figure).

Sabrblade wrote:When the Powermaster Optimus Prime toy was released in Japan, it was as a new character named Ginrai (with a hard G, like "Jin-rye")...

[Grammar Nazi] You meant "soft g" as in "jin" and not "hard g" like in "gun," right? [/grammar Nazi]


Sorry, it never happens that I get to correct Sabrblade. His knowledge is truly astounding!!

And to illustrate here are the G1 Micros:


Left: Blast Master (aka "Payload")
Right: Phaser

They each form one half of a Space Shuttle: Phaser is the front, Blast Master is the back.

Agamemnon wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:When the Powermaster Optimus Prime toy was released in Japan, it was as a new character named Ginrai (with a hard G, like "Jin-rye")...

[Grammar Nazi] You meant "soft g" as in "jin" and not "hard g" like in "gun," right? [/grammar Nazi]


Sorry, it never happens that I get to correct Sabrblade. His knowledge is truly astounding!!

Really? I thought it was the other way, since I figured the "guh" sound was softer to pronounce that the "juh" sound.

Fancy that.

Thanks. I'll edit it right away.

Sabrblade wrote:

wetwithwaterwings wrote:Takara's Flanker is a drastic departure from the U.S. release. I like how the gun mode mimics Swerve's "my first blaster" from MTMTE. Are those Flanker's original colors or is that a nod to something else?

Flanker's been redecoed into being the Micromaster Phaser partner of Blast Master (who is the real identity of Cosmos's Payload figure).

Takara keeps impressing me. Even though Hasbro is the sole designer of the toys these days, they still make it their own whenever they have the chance, thats awesome!

Actually, Agamemnon, the pronunciation of the "G" in Ginrai is a matter of phonics, not grammar. Yes, I'm being that guy.

Wolfman Jake wrote:Actually, Agamemnon, the pronunciation of the "G" in Ginrai is a matter of phonics, not grammar. Yes, I'm being that guy.

Nice call. But I've never heard of a Phonics Nazi... Are you the first?

Va'al wrote:
[/center]

What I really was asking is how do we know that these drawing are of Ginrai and not Convoy?

Also, my instinct, was that this was detailing the takara release of Combiner Wars Optimus. This is entirely due to that shot of the truck's front with the different windows, drawn near the back of the cab. They look a lot like the chest of the Torso created using Combiner Wars Optimus. That would also explain the fact that he was several set of windows for transformation.

william-james88 wrote:

Va'al wrote:
[/center]

What I really was asking is how do we know that these drawing are of Ginrai and not Convoy?

Also, my instinct, was that this was detailing the takara release of Combiner Wars Optimus. This is entirely due to that shot of the truck's front with the different windows, drawn near the back of the cab. They look a lot like the chest of the Torso created using Combiner Wars Optimus. That would also explain the fact that he was several set of windows for transformation.

Because Yuki said so in his post.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Va'al wrote:
[/center]

What I really was asking is how do we know that these drawing are of Ginrai and not Convoy?

Also, my instinct, was that this was detailing the takara release of Combiner Wars Optimus. This is entirely due to that shot of the truck's front with the different windows, drawn near the back of the cab. They look a lot like the chest of the Torso created using Combiner Wars Optimus. That would also explain the fact that he was several set of windows for transformation.

Because Yuki said so in his post.

And by checking out the Godmaster/PM toy.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Va'al wrote:
[/center]

What I really was asking is how do we know that these drawing are of Ginrai and not Convoy?

Also, my instinct, was that this was detailing the takara release of Combiner Wars Optimus. This is entirely due to that shot of the truck's front with the different windows, drawn near the back of the cab. They look a lot like the chest of the Torso created using Combiner Wars Optimus. That would also explain the fact that he was several set of windows for transformation.

Because Yuki said so in his post.

That he did.

落書き帳の中に、いくつかジンライを検討している物も残っていた。う～ん、当時から好きだったんだなぁ♪

ジンライ = "Jinrai" = "Ginrai".

And, like fenrir72 pointed out, the truck mode design matches the original Ginrai toy pretty much exactly:

PMOP is my favorite Transformers toy ever. I would love a Classics version with a working Hi-Q/Ginrai. I'd be pretty likely to buy at least two from Hasbro and Takara each. Brainstorm is looking pretty great. The minis look nice too but oddly colored. I love that Swerve's partner, in weapon mode, resembles his absurd gun from the comics

As long as we also get a God Bomber as well. Even if it was sold separately I wouldn't care.

Plus we'd need the obligatory Nucleon Quest and Fire Guts repaints.

Burn wrote:As long as we also get a God Bomber as well. Even if it was sold separately I wouldn't care.

Plus we'd need the obligatory Nucleon Quest and Fire Guts repaints.

Haven't you heard? Ginrai totally already exists, brah! Botcon 2014 fo life! Seriously though. I'd be all in. Also, for serious, I do very much enjoy the con figures this year.


He's a lot nicer in hand. The mock ups make him look kind of cruddy.
http://www.botcon.com/BotCon2014/BC14exclusives.html
Forgot about his gallery to better show him off.
http://www.seibertron.com/transformers- ... ai/3365/1/

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:And to illustrate here are the G1 Micros:


Left: Blast Master (aka "Payload")
Right: Phaser

They each form one half of a Space Shuttle: Phaser is the front, Blast Master is the back.

These were fun Micromasters back in the day. I wish they were a little more price/valued on eBay nowadays.

fenrir72 wrote:

leakin' lubricant wrote:Nice, should be getting mine next week, cant wait!

D@mn holidays got my UM and Jetfire stuck at Tokyo expecting them in the next 2 weeks.

I would've had mine today if I would've caught the postman
Monday it will be then

Agamemnon wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:Actually, Agamemnon, the pronunciation of the "G" in Ginrai is a matter of phonics, not grammar. Yes, I'm being that guy.

Nice call. But I've never heard of a Phonics Nazi... Are you the first?

I don't really like to bandy the word "Nazi" around too casually. Still a lot of awful history attached to that word, especially for any people they persecuted.

Wolfman Jake wrote:

Agamemnon wrote:

Wolfman Jake wrote:Actually, Agamemnon, the pronunciation of the "G" in Ginrai is a matter of phonics, not grammar. Yes, I'm being that guy.

Nice call. But I've never heard of a Phonics Nazi... Are you the first?

I don't really like to bandy the word "Nazi" around too casually. Still a lot of awful history attached to that word, especially for any people they persecuted.

Is Phonics Phascist better ?

SW's SilverHammer wrote:Is Phonics Phascist better ?

That is genius.