Takara Star Wars Powered By Transformers Millenium Falcon Pre-Orders Listed

I pre-ordered mine. Gonna be an expensive early summer, but I don't think I can say no to this one

I got the original Hasbro version as a Christmas gift back in like 2006. It wasn't the type of thing I would have asked for, but it was kind of a neat surprise. I came to like the figures, and I had them displayed for a while. They ended up in storage until Force Awakens when I decided to try my luck transforming and displaying them again. Got them into Falcon mode, but I finally had my first brush with GPS as a Transformers fan, sadly.

That said, Takara did an AMAZING job on these! Han's face was the biggest problem with the original figures, so it's awesome to see they've given him something much cooler. Chewie's original face always looked okay, but this, too, is better! I may have to snag these...

Marcdachamp wrote:I got the original Hasbro version as a Christmas gift back in like 2006. It wasn't the type of thing I would have asked for, but it was kind of a neat surprise. I came to like the figures, and I had them displayed for a while. They ended up in storage until Force Awakens when I decided to try my luck transforming and displaying them again. Got them into Falcon mode, but I finally had my first brush with GPS as a Transformers fan, sadly.

That said, Takara did an AMAZING job on these! Han's face was the biggest problem with the original figures, so it's awesome to see they've given him something much cooler. Chewie's original face always looked okay, but this, too, is better! I may have to snag these...

Your story sounds a lot like mine. It wasn't something I asked for, but I got it and it was really cool. and I think they did awesome with this seeing as how it has a different Transformation scheme and they look cooler here.

I think you should snag him up. It seems like a pretty awesome thing, and it's one of those rarer curiosity things.

I want to like these, as it seems Takara has done a brilliant job on the engineering, but the faces and decos look like "mechs cozplaying as their pilots", rather than mechs that represent their pilots. It's a bit like having Gundams looking just like their pilots, complete with faction uniform, hairstyle, etc.

I'd rather have this:



Than this:



(Btw, has anyone noticed that it's now easier to upload pics here? Previously, the limit seemed pretty low, but I've been able to upload with aplomb. Cheers, Seibertron!)

At these Takara prices, the target audience is definitely adult transformers collectors who happen to like star wars. I dont see any hardcore stsr wars collectors choosing these over Black Series figures and vehicles. So with that being said, why not make them true crossovers that pay homage to both franchises ? The could have given them Transformers characters heads instead. Im sure most people would rather have that then generic robots wearing star wars masks like cosplay. Maybe a 3rd party can make new heads for these things....but that chewbacca figure cant be saved...

Rated X wrote:At these Takara prices, the target audience is definitely adult transformers collectors who happen to like star wars. I dont see any hardcore stsr wars collectors choosing these over Black Series figures and vehicles. So with that being said, why not make them true crossovers that pay homage to both franchises ? The could have given them Transformers characters heads instead. Im sure most people would rather have that then generic robots wearing star wars masks like cosplay. Maybe a 3rd party can make new heads for these things....but that chewbacca figure cant be saved...

Although none of us here know, of course, it's been postulated that TF characters cannot be "in" the SW universe and vice versa for brand/copyright reasons. Possibly, Disney/Lucasfilm doesn't want to dilute the brand or confuse the official stories by having another franchise so intimately connecting to it. Using the TF "play pattern" is one thing, but having a story and characters crossing over isn't wanted by the rights holders.

Personally, I think that's barmy, if true. If they made more "mech" style heads for these toys, plus did repainted figs as TF versions (and if they weren't so ridiculously overpriced), then I'd buy one of each version.

In fact, they could have just made these all Headmasters, and used star wars characters turn into the heads, and also allowed us to add existing heads to customise our own.

Rated X wrote:At these Takara prices, the target audience is definitely adult transformers collectors who happen to like star wars. I dont see any hardcore stsr wars collectors choosing these over Black Series figures and vehicles. So with that being said, why not make them true crossovers that pay homage to both franchises ? The could have given them Transformers characters heads instead. Im sure most people would rather have that then generic robots wearing star wars masks like cosplay. Maybe a 3rd party can make new heads for these things....but that chewbacca figure cant be saved...

These are definitely more for star wars fans than transformers fans since they're strictly Star Wars characters and not the cross overs you keep complaining about. And Star Wars collector's would choose these over the black series vehicles simply because there are barely any black series vehicles and they're massive compared to these.

primalxconvoy wrote:

Rated X wrote:At these Takara prices, the target audience is definitely adult transformers collectors who happen to like star wars. I dont see any hardcore stsr wars collectors choosing these over Black Series figures and vehicles. So with that being said, why not make them true crossovers that pay homage to both franchises ? The could have given them Transformers characters heads instead. Im sure most people would rather have that then generic robots wearing star wars masks like cosplay. Maybe a 3rd party can make new heads for these things....but that chewbacca figure cant be saved...

Although none of us here know, of course, it's been postulated that TF characters cannot be "in" the SW universe and vice versa for brand/copyright reasons. Possibly, Disney/Lucasfilm doesn't want to dilute the brand or confuse the official stories by having another franchise so intimately connecting to it. Using the TF "play pattern" is one thing, but having a story and characters crossing over isn't wanted by the rights holders.

That's probably the official line, but certainly not the truth.





And considering the first round of SW TF figures were pre-Disney I think someone just really likes the idea of robot versions of the SW cast.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:

primalxconvoy wrote:

Rated X wrote:At these Takara prices, the target audience is definitely adult transformers collectors who happen to like star wars. I dont see any hardcore stsr wars collectors choosing these over Black Series figures and vehicles. So with that being said, why not make them true crossovers that pay homage to both franchises ? The could have given them Transformers characters heads instead. Im sure most people would rather have that then generic robots wearing star wars masks like cosplay. Maybe a 3rd party can make new heads for these things....but that chewbacca figure cant be saved...

Although none of us here know, of course, it's been postulated that TF characters cannot be "in" the SW universe and vice versa for brand/copyright reasons. Possibly, Disney/Lucasfilm doesn't want to dilute the brand or confuse the official stories by having another franchise so intimately connecting to it. Using the TF "play pattern" is one thing, but having a story and characters crossing over isn't wanted by the rights holders.

That's probably the official line, but certainly not the truth.





And considering the first round of SW TF figures were pre-Disney I think someone just really likes the idea of robot versions of the SW cast.

Emerje

All of that was pre Disney though so that most likely changes things.

I don't see a problem with these existing, if you don't like, don't buy. Now, as for what people think this line should be, people would still complain. Another point, all of the crossover toylines have done worked this way so far, why should this be different? Plus thus approach seems to work for some people, look at D-Max

Emerje wrote:

primalxconvoy wrote:

Rated X wrote:At these Takara prices, the target audience is definitely adult transformers collectors who happen to like star wars. I dont see any hardcore stsr wars collectors choosing these over Black Series figures and vehicles. So with that being said, why not make them true crossovers that pay homage to both franchises ? The could have given them Transformers characters heads instead. Im sure most people would rather have that then generic robots wearing star wars masks like cosplay. Maybe a 3rd party can make new heads for these things....but that chewbacca figure cant be saved...

Although none of us here know, of course, it's been postulated that TF characters cannot be "in" the SW universe and vice versa for brand/copyright reasons. Possibly, Disney/Lucasfilm doesn't want to dilute the brand or confuse the official stories by having another franchise so intimately connecting to it. Using the TF "play pattern" is one thing, but having a story and characters crossing over isn't wanted by the rights holders.

That's probably the official line, but certainly not the truth.





And considering the first round of SW TF figures were pre-Disney I think someone just really likes the idea of robot versions of the SW cast.

Emerje

Brilliant! I wonder how apologists for the lack of TFs can get out of THAT evidence! There's also the Heroclicks style have, where there's a picture of (Luke Skywalker?) fighting Galaxy Force Optimus Prime.

ZeroWolf wrote:I don't see a problem with these existing, if you don't like, don't buy. Now, as for what people think this line should be, people would still complain. Another point, all of the crossover toylines have done worked this way so far, why should this be different? Plus thus approach seems to work for some people, look at D-Max

That's true, but have the previous SW and Marvel crossover TFs been successful? In defense, the previous SW crossover figures featured pretty awful engineering, so that could be a reason moreso than the sculpts if they weren't popular.

Definitely won't be wasting my money on these things.

I have Vader coming and if it's a good figure I might consider the Falcon. The price is a big price to swallow.

Burn wrote:Definitely won't be wasting my money on these things.

I'm worried that, no matter how good these are, people will be saving/spending money on all the other TFs coming out around the same time in Japan. I think Emerjie listed the boatload of other TFs coming out in April, and my bank account is going to be emptier than a haemophiliac in a room full of needless and vampires...

Y'know, I wasn't very interested in the original SW-TF's. This new Vader got me interested, and now seeing the Falcon, I think I'm in.

Cobotron wrote:Well! Darn.
Probably going to need to have this.

Takara, you had me at Heavily Armored Wookie Warrior.

Good you're here! I was wondering what your thoughts were on these. Good to see we've got the same mindset

*Reads thread*

ZeroWolf wrote:I don't see a problem with these existing, if you don't like, don't buy.

THANK YOU.

Anyways. Personally, I love Star Wars, and the vehicles are some of the coolest parts of it. It's been some while since I've bought a SW figure or vehicle, so for me if the robot is REALLY disappointing then I'll just leave them in vehicle mode. I wouldn't mind having a bunch of Star Wars ships around.

i wonder if the deathstar is up next and who it will turn into

I'm an extremely tolerant TF fan, but I'll be the first to agree that the previous attempt of this crossover was a long trip to disapointmentsville. The Idea was sound but the execution was bad. Really bad. I didn't even mind the idea of the Organic type heads, it's just that the sculpts were atrocious.
There were two that I really liked and still have on display or still play with occasionally. Death Star Vader and a little Legends size Obi Wan. I find it really entertaining that Kenobi is off on some side quest in my Unicron Trilogy shelf. "For goodness sake! What ridiculous mission has the Counsel sent me on this time?"

But these look better to me, and I like the idea, so I'd be willing to give them a chance. The bot modes look more interesting then the old run, and these head sculpts, even though I'd like to see bigger pics, look way better to me. I trust Takara just a little more when it comes to head sculpts.

I'm fine with them turning into Star Wars characters, but I like X's idea too. It would be dope to have a Falcon that turned into Prime!

So from these tiny pictures, does Han appear to be wearing a helmet? Chewie certainly has some kind of crown or headband.

Edit: HI JAK!!!! I'm here!!!

Va'al wrote:
You mean Hanode Solo..?

Damn it Va'al why you go do this to me?


Although Anode's headsculpt is one of two things I actually like about her, the other is her vehicle mode, so this is not a deal breaker for me if I decide to get it.

Edit: I have the thing on preorder (Doesn't mean I can't cancel it)

shajaki wrote:
Anyways. Personally, I love Star Wars, and the vehicles are some of the coolest parts of it. It's been some while since I've bought a SW figure or vehicle, so for me if the robot is REALLY disappointing then I'll just leave them in vehicle mode. I wouldn't mind having a bunch of Star Wars ships around.

Isn't that like using a mallet to crack open an egg, though? These Takara SWTFs are a tad pricey. Wouldn't it be better to get a really nice SW vehicle and then a TF? Failing that, if you're into Japanese style SW things, have you seen these?



http://tamashii.jp/special/sw/lineup_mr ... eroyalgard

Va'al wrote:
You mean Hanode Solo..?

This right here. I'm not trying to be a hater, but I do not see anything in that sculpt that makes me think Han Solo.

A) He looks like he is wearing a helmet on his head
B) The chest transformation kinda pokes out like boobs
C) He has Windblade-esque high heeled boots
D) He is very clearly wearing blue booty shorts

Was this supposed to be Rey when they were engineering it? Or is this some Rule 63 female Han Solo?

Quick! Get Cheetimus on the phone! This needs to be repainted!

Just like the Hasbro line, the robot modes don't work at all.

Also, Star Wars isn't cool anymore, Disney totally destroyed Star Wars with the new trilogy. Instead of writing a good story they just copied the original trilogy & made everything bigger. Bigger Death Star, bigger AT-AT's, bigger TIE Fighters, bigger Star Destroyers. And lame characters that nobody cares about. Star Wars is a joke now.

Aimless Misfire wrote:Also, Star Wars isn't cool anymore, Disney totally destroyed Star Wars with the new trilogy. Instead of writing a good story they just copied the original trilogy & made everything bigger. Bigger Death Star, bigger AT-AT's, bigger TIE Fighters, bigger Star Destroyers. And lame characters that nobody cares about. Star Wars is a joke now.

First of all opinions, if Star Wars wasn't cool it would never have gotten as big as it has nor would it continue to be. What is a good story? Are you suggesting that a story has to be original to be good because uh hey, no matter what Star Wars movie was made it would never met your expectations.

The prequels went original and looked how they were received, there was literally nothing else they could have been done for the Force Awakens since it had to go safe because of history before hand, if you think Last Jedi was like Empire Strikes back besides a couple things that probably means you have not seen that movie in awhile.

Lame characters my arse, Kylo Ren is a better written villain then Darth Vader and the others ever were in their own movies. Again opinions Star Wars has always been a good entertaining joke, anyone who takes either Transformers or Star Wars seriously is set up to disappoint and permanently ruin the franchise for themselves.

Deadput, once again I need to remind you that you don't need to refute every damn opinion. Especially when it's not even on topic.

YOU SHOULD KNOW BETTER BY NOW.

Aimless Misfire wrote:Just like the Hasbro line, the robot modes don't work at all.

Also, Star Wars isn't cool anymore, Disney totally destroyed Star Wars with the new trilogy. Instead of writing a good story they just copied the original trilogy & made everything bigger. Bigger Death Star, bigger AT-AT's, bigger TIE Fighters, bigger Star Destroyers. And lame characters that nobody cares about. Star Wars is a joke now.

What would work for robot modes though? These aren't tf characters so they need to fit in with the style of the universe while also keeping to the restrictions on the vehicles.

@PrimalxConvoy getting nice sw vehicles is tricky at certain scales, these are a lot smaller and not that much bigger than the old action fleet vehicles (which were amazing)

ZeroWolf wrote:What would work for robot modes though?

Very little. Characters like Vader, and Griveous work because their heads are "robotic" looking. Storm Troopers and Fett would work as well, except the colours of the head tended to not blend with the body. And I think that's where the biggest fail happens, slapping a big green head on a grey body. Sure, the head looks like Yoda, but it also looks like someone has chopped his head off and put it on a robotic body.

So maybe if the heads blended with the rest of the body, they might look a bit better.

ZeroWolf wrote:

Aimless Misfire wrote:Just like the Hasbro line, the robot modes don't work at all.

Also, Star Wars isn't cool anymore, Disney totally destroyed Star Wars with the new trilogy. Instead of writing a good story they just copied the original trilogy & made everything bigger. Bigger Death Star, bigger AT-AT's, bigger TIE Fighters, bigger Star Destroyers. And lame characters that nobody cares about. Star Wars is a joke now.

What would work for robot modes though? These aren't tf characters so they need to fit in with the style of the universe while also keeping to the restrictions on the vehicles.

@PrimalxConvoy getting nice sw vehicles is tricky at certain scales, these are a lot smaller and not that much bigger than the old action fleet vehicles (which were amazing)

I read that Disney shops and parks sell detailed SW vehicles for about 20 Dollars? Might be worth a look.

Surprisingly, Google was bereft of good mech and robot versions of Star Wars characters for me. Here's what I could find.



And @Burn, I agree. That's why they need to make mechs that homage the character, rather than look like the character. Some of the colours of the clothes, skin, can etc would be fine, but things like weapons, motifs painted in the side, etc should be used, too.

Two words.

Human Alliance.

The vehicle can transform and it can have a head that fits in, and you also have it's "human" counterpart.

That would be fun too. But then it's bordering on being a "true" crossover.

Burn wrote:Two words.

Human Alliance.

The vehicle can transform and it can have a head that fits in, and you also have it's "human" counterpart.

That would be fun too. But then it's bordering on being a "true" crossover.

Great idea! I really wish MP had merged with Binaltech, and then the film Human Alliance toys would have continued that trend. Then, we could have had GI-Joe/Action Force, MASK toys, etc in that scale, too (in their own respective toy lines). Even if any of these were sold every now and then, as exclusives, it would eventually add up to a coincidental full range of toys that shared play styles.

Failing they, in sure Titanmaster style figures could do a similar thing. Plus, if they released Star Wars vehicles like the old Micro Machines/Galoob line, and MASK/GI-Joe figures/vehicles too, they're could be some great base-building, cross-play opportunities too.

Oh well...

Well the pilot figures for these do look action fleet sized, it's a shame the micro machines that hasbro brought out for force awakens weren't as good as the old ones.

Rated X wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

Hotconvoy wrote:That is just sad

Out of curiosity, why is it sad? Is it just because you don't like the idea? While the actual idea isn't the best, I love the engineeringthat goes into these as there isn't a lot of space to play around with on the iconic vehicle designs of star wars

I agree it is sad..

Those who dont learn from the past are doomed to repeat it.

The concept is just dumb. It was dumb then and its still dumb now. How cool would it have been if they just focused on the vehicles to homage Star Wars and let the robot modes homage actual Transformers characters? Then they would be true "Transformers" crossovers, rather than just on the sole basis that they can transform. Right now they're no more "Transformers" than a Gobot. The one thing they are not is Transformers crossovers.

Imagine tie fighter seekers, vader tie fighter megatron, x wing fighter optimus, cloud speeder bumblebee, milenium falcon ironhide, slave 1 soundwave, death star unicron, so many possibilities. But instead they give us robots wearing circus masks....twice.

They're not meant to be crossovers in that way. The idea is "Star Wars powered by Transformers", like if Cybertronian technology somehow ended up in a galaxy far far away. To make say, a Trypticon Star Destroyer would be neat, but it'd be completely outside the line's intentions. Now, I will agree that the concept is rather absurd, but the toys aren't actually that bad, all things considered.

Via the Japanese branch of online retailer Amazon.com, we have some larger and new images of the Takara Star Wars Powered by Transformers crossover series figure 02: the Millennium Falcon! An update to the previous figure of the same vehicle from years ago, the surfacing of the listing is topical given the recent reveal of a new Han Solo spin-off movie trailer (for those keeping track), but the images specifically show us the front and rear of each of the two robot modes of Chewbacca and Solo that combine into the spaceship, plus more looks at the latter and the minifigures included of the two space scoundrels - including the impressive shoulders on Chewie and the backpack kibble on Han, who also shares resemblance in the facesculpt with recent IDW Publishing Transformers newcomer Anode.

Check them all out mirrored below, and head here for the listing, as the figure is set for release in June!

The whole concept is one big turd.

Actually kind of cool looking.

Better than the last attempt, but WHOOF that is one kibbly Han Solo.

Is Han wearing a Faceplate? it looks cool! The Falcon's cockpit on his right arm reminds me of a fusion cannon, also a cool touch. As for the shoulder/back kibble, I don't mind it so much, as it almost looks ornate like wings for a cape but not quite that. Still an awesome looking thing.

Chewie is still the best of the 2 though, same as he was on the original before falling apart. I love his giant shoulders, and the wookie head is awesome.

And the Falcon itself is gorgeous. Of course it would be the main mode they were going for, and as far as I, and my cousin who is has been a huge star wars fan his whole life, is concerned, that is pretty much perfect.

June cannot come quick enough. May need to buy something else so I can ship him and not wait on Dinobot

I'm still digging these, the kibble on hanode doesn't bother me much at all

What a piece of junk.

One of these things does not look like the other two... and I don't know why. This isn't a repurpose or repaint, so what is going on?

Lucky Logician wrote:

One of these things does not look like the other two... and I don't know why. This isn't a repurpose or repaint, so what is going on?

I'm pretty sure their trying to avoid having it look uncanny like the last Han Solo Transformer, why it has a faceplate though I have no idea although the headsculpts pretty nice.

Same with Chewbacca I like how they look much more Transformer-ish this time around.

Rated X wrote:The whole concept is one big turd.

Not really, it's an interesting idea which has had a meh execution, Transformers turning into Star Wars or other franchise vehicles is an awesome idea.

Edit: I do agree that the first batch of Star Wars Transformers was bad on the most part.

It just dawned on me. We are all looking at these as if the robot mode is supposed to be the character, i.e. Han half transforms into Han.

Maybe that's not the case at all. Maybe, the robots are supposed to be mechs piloted by the mini figures. The Falcon splits in half and becomes two mechs for Han and Chewie to drive into battle.

That might explain why the Hanbot has such a robotic face. Really Chewie's face could be construed as such too. Unlike the previous Hasbro line where it felt more like the vehicles turned into weird robotic versions of the characters.

Perhaps Takara will give more details into their intentions at Wonder Fest.

Cobotron wrote:Maybe that's not the case at all. Maybe, the robots are supposed to be mechs piloted by the mini figures. The Falcon splits in half and becomes two mechs for Han and Chewie to drive into battle.

Honestly that's the only way I've ever looked at these, past or present since they come with pilots. Which made the idea of modeling the bot heads after themselves seem awfully vain.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:

Cobotron wrote:Maybe that's not the case at all. Maybe, the robots are supposed to be mechs piloted by the mini figures. The Falcon splits in half and becomes two mechs for Han and Chewie to drive into battle.

Honestly that's the only way I've ever looked at these, past or present since they come with pilots. Which made the idea of modeling the bot heads after themselves seem awfully vain.

Emerje

I left out a part in that post about How the new Vader/Tie Fighter's Robo head looks just like Vader's helmet, but his excuse is vanity.

Did they all come with mini figs? I mentioned before I have Death Star Vader, and he comes with a bunch. Did the Deluxish size toys come them?
I have a Clone Fighter, and don't remember him coming with one.


Edit: And Cobotron said to himself, "Off to the Seibertron galleries with you, you fool!"

Cobotron wrote:

Emerje wrote:

Cobotron wrote:Maybe that's not the case at all. Maybe, the robots are supposed to be mechs piloted by the mini figures. The Falcon splits in half and becomes two mechs for Han and Chewie to drive into battle.

Honestly that's the only way I've ever looked at these, past or present since they come with pilots. Which made the idea of modeling the bot heads after themselves seem awfully vain.

Emerje

I left out a part in that post about How the new Vader/Tie Fighter's Robo head looks just like Vader's helmet, but his excuse is vanity.

Did they all come with mini figs? I mentioned before I have Death Star Vader, and he comes with a bunch. Did the Deluxish size toys come them?
I have a Clone Fighter, and don't remember him coming with one.


Edit: And Cobotron said to himself, "Off to the Seibertron galleries with you, you fool!"

I think everyone thought they were mechs, even from the beginning. It's why some, like me, have lamented the lack of "mech with character detailing" instead of the "robot cosplaying as a character" aesthetic used. However, that Han Solo head sculpt is definitely a step in the right direction, IMO. Not enough for me to start collecting this line, however.

What's puzzling is that I couldn't really find many examples of fan art devoted to Star Wars vs (insert anime design here) mechs/robots online. You would think it was prime fodder for the deviant art crowd.

primalxconvoy wrote:I think everyone thought they were mechs, even from the beginning. It's why some, like me, have lamented the lack of "mech with character detailing" instead of the "robot cosplaying as a character" aesthetic used. However, that Han Solo head sculpt is definitely a step in the right direction, IMO. Not enough for me to start collecting this line, however.

What's puzzling is that I couldn't really find many examples of fan art devoted to Star Wars vs (insert anime design here) mechs/robots online. You would think it was prime fodder for the deviant art crowd.

I also had always assumed that they were meant to be piloted mechs, but I don't at all like the way they've been done here. They mostly just look like robot people wearing bits of spaceships sticky-taped to various body parts, even moreso than the old SWTFs if I'm being frank. I like it when transforming robots/mechs look like they're made from the vehicle parts; the problem with these seems (to me) that they're trying so hard to make them resemble the Star Wars characters, that they lose sight of any sense of aesthetic design and just end up with a normally-proportioned guy with a robot head and junk all over called "Han Solo".

On the subject of SW-robits, I was able to dredge up one more piece of crossover mech art via Google, one that I think showcases both the good and the bad of meshing two entities together like this:

Some of the good stuff, I think, is things like taking the "memorable-but-not-quite-iconic-enough-to-be-out-of-place" parts, like the Trooper's belt and color layout, and adding them onto the design in a subtle but recognizable way. On the other hand I still think the head looks pretty rubbish, because even though the design's been altered a bit to fit with the overall shapes it still looks like someone's gone and sat a huge, slightly-melted Stormtrooper helmet over the actual head of the mech. Also the body shapes, and silhouette in general, don't really fit much at all with what you'd imagine a 'Stormtrooper mech' to look like and so it all feels kind of wonky. TL;DR It looks like someone put an EVA in a Stormtrooper suit, instead of looking like its own thing based on the two entities, and so it ends up looking like an awkward attempt to mash the two together instead of a cool new design.

Many of my complaints come from the nature of trying to fit within the well-established aesthetic of the other property, and obviously a hypothetical Eva crossover is not a one-to-one comparison with Transformers, but it's still basically what these SWTFs are trying to do too. The robot modes here aren't trying to fit into the Transformers universe, but they're sure trying to fit into the Transformers aesthetic, which for the most part is "robots made out of vehicles". They're trying so hard to slap Star Wars on top of Transformers that they've forgotten to try and actually integrate the two on any meaningful level, and that's where I feel the major shortcomings of these toys come from.

Maybe this was interesting for someone to read? I dunno. Just my two (hundred) cents on the matter.

THIS!

Stormtrooper Eva would probably still miss the broadside of an Angel.

Deadput wrote:

Rated X wrote:The whole concept is one big turd.

Not really, it's an interesting idea which has had a meh execution, Transformers turning into Star Wars or other franchise vehicles is an awesome idea.

Edit: I do agree that the first batch of Star Wars Transformers was bad on the most part.

The trouble is these things arent transformers. They're robots with cosplay masks. If they get rid of the star wars heads and replace them with Transformers characters it would be awesome. Or generic robot heads would also be awesome. But if Darth Vader had the ability to make his Tie Fighter transform, do you really believe he would make the head a giant version of himself? Thats just incredibly dumb looking, dont sugarcoat it.