Takara Legends Titan Master Clouder (Doubledealer) confirmed

Sabrblade wrote:Alrighty! Now we got some real clarification on the Katakana for these figures thanks to Loopaza Mega Store.



LG47 is Kickback & CLOUDER, not Crowbar.

LG48 is Gong & Repug, so Repugnus is indeed keeping his original Japanese name.

And LG49 is still Targetmaster Triggerhappy.

Any clue what the other 2 listings are?

Was intrigued when I thought it was a full Titans figure of Doubledealer (did not like that one they did from the already faily lousy generations voyager Blitzwing a few years ago) but it's just a head? Dang.

Carnivius_Prime wrote:Was intrigued when I thought it was a full Titans figure of Doubledealer (did not like that one they did from the already faily lousy generations voyager Blitzwing a few years ago) but it's just a head? Dang.

It would be pretty awesome. Just add it to the list of Triple Changer -masters that Titans Return never got around to.

//Plays sad violin for the Horrocons

I wondered if it was Clouder but I couldn't imagine which one would be used because none scream clouder. Well...maybe the Swoop/Ptero one. It's close enough

Kurona wrote:You could get a fairly convincing Clouder out of Chasm depending on your paint applications, honestly. It's a pretty clever way for Takara to repurpose it for their markets, especially when Clouder was part of the Masterforce gang and they didn't release the double Targetmasters.

That's toy accuracy and come on, we're talking Takara

I read this story four times before I realized that there isn't really an actual Clouder figure coming, but rather a Clouder-themed head.

Right?

Dagon wrote:I read this story four times before I realized that there isn't really an actual Clouder figure coming, but rather a Clouder-themed head.

Right?

Maybe. This is all based on a name and it can still mean anything.

william-james88 wrote:

Dagon wrote:I read this story four times before I realized that there isn't really an actual Clouder figure coming, but rather a Clouder-themed head.

Right?

Maybe. This is all based on a name and it can still mean anything.

Other Wilder Clouder was the last of the Of those dudes that survived and lost their transtectors

Loopaza replied to me directly when I asked for an english translation, here is what they said:

We received some details of the coming up of Takaratomy Transformers news.

Coming in September, there will be 2 reissue of the Disney Label - Mickey Mouse both the standard and Black & White Trailer.

The LG series will continue in October and there is:

LG47 Kickback & Crowder, Kickback of course is the insecticon and Crowder is the Japanese name of Doubledealer? (properly just a headmaster)

LG48 Gong & Repack, Gong is the Japanese name of Brown and Repack is Repugnus

LG49 Target Master Trigger Happy, it will be the Trigger Happy with a Targetmaster.

It is a Titan Master, as the inclusion with a legends-class figure and the price point indicates.

I got really excited when I saw the article, then I read it.

william-james88 wrote:Loopaza replied to me directly when I asked for an english translation, here is what they said:

LG48 Gong & Repack, Gong is the Japanese name of Brown and Repack is Repugnus

Confirmed! Brawn will have a new UPS truck deco for the Takara-Tomy Transformers Legends line!

william-james88 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Alrighty! Now we got some real clarification on the Katakana for these figures thanks to Loopaza Mega Store.



LG47 is Kickback & CLOUDER, not Crowbar.

LG48 is Gong & Repug, so Repugnus is indeed keeping his original Japanese name.

And LG49 is still Targetmaster Triggerhappy.

Any clue what the other 2 listings are?

The other 2 listings say: "Disney Label Mickey Mouse Trailer Standard" and "Disney Label Mickey Mouse Trailer Monochrome".

Hah, I knew it was a misreading. Still, quite a departure from クロウバー Kuroubā to クラウダー Kuraudā. I wonder what mold they'll use for him.

You know, I have a feeling Clouder (aka Doubledealer) is an unrevealed face for one of the original molds, like how Sweeps was. Which means it could be from:

- Apeface
- Brawn
- Fangry
- Loudmouth
- Nightbeat
- Ptero

Keep in mind that's a Hasbro release potential, thus has a vehicle that may match either mode (missile carrier or vulture).

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Keep in mind that's a Hasbro release potential, thus has a vehicle that may match either mode (missile carrier or vulture).

Or the titan master only figure to come with the next 2 box sets.

william-james88 wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Keep in mind that's a Hasbro release potential, thus has a vehicle that may match either mode (missile carrier or vulture).

Or the titan master only figure to come with the next 2 box sets.

That, no. Rodimus Prime and Thunderwing have the same retooled chest design, which makes me suspect they're gang-molded with the new face plates. Ergo, expect the next two to have the same chests as well. Plus, they're die cast, so I don't see TakaraTomy using them for a regular release.

And another thing to ponder: what "suit" will he use? The Cybertron one (Knok):



or the Destron one (Skar):

quick digibash for a grin. I think I might be okay with this. Eyes are slightly smaller, but that's not much of a complaint. Shape of helmet, vents, etc. All pretty good match for a repaint.

gothsaurus wrote:quick digibash for a grin. I think I might be okay with this. Eyes are slightly smaller, but that's not much of a complaint. Shape of helmet, vents, etc. All pretty good match for a repaint.

If they painted the shoulder/forearms grey (and we have precedent for paint here), that could be pretty convincing. Although, no weird cheek lines - and given the minor differences in the Mindwipe head, I suspect that alone would warrant a retool.

Looking at that sweep head they are already releasing, it seems takara has no aversion for new facesculpts for the titan mastet that comes with their legends figures.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:And another thing to ponder: what "suit" will he use? The Cybertron one (Knok):

or the Destron one (Skar):

Most likely the Cybertron one since Clouder sided with them in the end (despite his Transtector doing otherwise), and since there's no Titan Master mold whose head mode is a bird head.

Aw, no appreciate for UPS brown Brawn?

Sabrblade wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:And another thing to ponder: what "suit" will he use? The Cybertron one (Knok):

or the Destron one (Skar):

Most likely the Cybertron one since Clouder sided with them in the end (despite his Transtector doing otherwise), and since there's no Titan Master mold whose head mode is a bird head.

Doesn't explain him coming with Kickback, they'd be the first cross-faction set.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:And another thing to ponder: what "suit" will he use? The Cybertron one (Knok):

or the Destron one (Skar):

Most likely the Cybertron one since Clouder sided with them in the end (despite his Transtector doing otherwise), and since there's no Titan Master mold whose head mode is a bird head.

Doesn't explain him coming with Kickback, they'd be the first cross-faction set.

Hmm, that's true. But then again, when the Transtector became evil, he used his Cybertron robot mode instead of his Destron one.

And, well, even though Cancer and Bullhorn were Destrons, they became good guys in the end and are still presented as such in the Legends manga, despite being packed with Legends class bad guys.

Why do you guys still seek logic in the release? I thought the numbering of the MP Primal redeco removed all logic forever more.

william-james88 wrote:Why do you guys still seek logic in the release? I thought the numbering of the MP Primal redeco removed all logic forever more.

Because there's actually a pattern here that directly has to do with how Takara feels it's able to sell things, rather than arbitrary numbers that never really made much sense to begin with and we were kind of reaching for a reason. Which faction is packed with which faction in a toy aimed at children is a part of their selling strategy; the particular number of a high-end collector's line is not. These are apples and oranges.

Wolfman Jake wrote:Aw, no appreciate for UPS brown Brawn?

I loved it! (And I wish they would actually do that paint job.... )

While we have seen many of these images before, we have some photos of Hyper Hobby volume 2 courtesy of Loopaza store on Facebook - via fellow Seibertronian Cyberpath - featuring Kup, Hot Rod, Scourge, Dinosaurer, Sharkticon and relative Titan Masters, Target Masters and the such. Check them all out below!

Takaratomy Transformers Legends

This month Japanese Magazine Hyper Hobby vol.2 cover some details of the coming up Transformers Legends Series.

There's the images of the little Headmaster of Trypticon & LG-EX Black Convoy. Also, there was a scale comparison of The Target Master with the Headmaster of Hotrod and Kup.

And the Japanese version of The Last Knight figures is just started.

but those are pics of Hasbro's Hot Rod and Kup with Takara's retooled parts (unpainted) showing what they've changed?

Carnivius_Prime wrote:but those are pics of Hasbro's Hot Rod and Kup with Takara's retooled parts (unpainted) showing what they've changed?

Yep. They're the Hasbro versions with prototypes of the retooled Takara parts.

So Takara's Hot Rod doesn't have the flipping hood section, is that what I'm seeing with the retool here?

And if so, it's only for the sake of cartoon accuracy?

I just ask because I'm confused as to why Takara would want to retool Hot Rod at all, especially over what seems to be a really small detail. I get why they did it with Kup, because at least his silhouette is altered a bit, but it's not as though Hot Rod has elbows that can only b be sideways.

Nemesis Maximo wrote:So Takara's Hot Rod doesn't have the flipping hood section, is that what I'm seeing with the retool here?

And if so, it's only for the sake of cartoon accuracy?

I just ask because I'm confused as to why Takara would want to retool Hot Rod at all, especially over what seems to be a really small detail. I get why they did it with Kup, because at least his silhouette is altered a bit, but it's not as though Hot Rod has elbows that can only b be sideways.

Yeah, I don't like their retooled Hot Rod. The hood doesn't integrate into the chest as well, and while I get why they made the engine switch around for robot mode, they didn't replace it with a collar or anything. It's just a flat blank plate. At least put a logo there or something.

Nemesis Maximo wrote:So Takara's Hot Rod doesn't have the flipping hood section, is that what I'm seeing with the retool here?

And if so, it's only for the sake of cartoon accuracy?

I just ask because I'm confused as to why Takara would want to retool Hot Rod at all, especially over what seems to be a really small detail. I get why they did it with Kup, because at least his silhouette is altered a bit, but it's not as though Hot Rod has elbows that can only b be sideways.

Hot Rodimus' chest is retooled for two reasons:

1) the engine can now be flipped back, making him more accurate to the original toy and cartoon appearance (the engine on the chest thing is new since his Classics toy of 2006).
2) the engine has a 5mm port for the new-mold Targetmaster, to call back to his Targetmaster toy and TFC reissue.

Note the hood is clear plastic.

:EDIT: Upon closer inspection of the Targetmasters: definitely Peacemaker and Fracas.

I'm really surprised by the negativity towards Legends Hot Rod. He's an upgrade to the Titans Return version in almost every way, as far as I am concerned. He's got more paint apps, like the iconic orange and yellow detailing on his wrists/cuffs, the two tone colors on his helmet and pelvis, and the dark gray on his shins and feet. His primary color is now a more maroon color, like the Masterpiece toy, approximating the color of his G1 cartoon appearance (but not the movie) just a bit better. I don't think the hood looks any worse for ditching that step in Hasbro's version to reveal his robot abs. He just looks more like classic G1 Hot Rod without it, honestly. That goes for the new engine block that hides away in robot mode. Yeah, the blank orange plastic panel in its place is just another Hot Rod trait. It's always been like that. It would have been nice if they had made the hands gray instead of orange, but I can live with it. The addition of his actual Targetmaster partner Firebolt is fantastic! That's a huge selling point for me. The only thing I think is potentially divisive is the transparent plastic flame pattern on the hood. Yes, opaque would have been better, but I understand what they're trying to do, and I think it'll work well in person. If not, I have plenty of ideas of how to remedy that situation. As it is, I've decide to embrace that little embellishment for now. It's just weird to me that so many people were gaga for grayscale Kup (before better pictures came out) but so few seem to appreciate correct colors and molding Hot Rod.

Eh, as far as I'm concerned, this is one of the few times I appreciate Hasbro's toy-accuracy more as I really don't like Hot Rod's cartoon colours. The much brighter and vibrant red fits him so much more than a dark ugly maroon and I appreciate the intuitive chest transformation over the chest... not transforming. It's more accurate, and one looking for accuracy will enjoy that; but from a pure toy standpoint TR just looks so much better.

Titan Master and Targetmaster are clear winners on Legends though, no doubt.

Fellow Seibertronian Cyberpath has spotted over on Dengeki Hobby's website some new official images for the Takara Tomy Transformers Legends ..er, Legends class counterparts to the Hasbro Titans Return toys: LG47 Kickback with Clouder, LG48 Gong (Brawn) with Repug (Ribaggu), and LG49 Triggerhappy!

Check out the images mirrored below, of Titan Masters, Target Masters and Legend class characters, and let us know what you think in the Energon Pub.

Ramhorn? They made Clouder from Ramhorn? So did not see that coming.

Though, have we had a good enough look at Ramhorn's Titan Master head? The way the mold looks here makes its head look almost like it has a beak, like Buster's Suit Mode helmet.

I am so happy Triggerhappy barely looks different to his TR counterpart as that deco was perfect. Instant buy!

LG Sharkticon and Brawn: been holding off getting the Hasbro editions because I knew Takara would have nicer colours. Hasbro's Brawn was almost perfect but missing the silver apps on his knees. Not a big deal but I wasn't in a rush. Also TT's got silver rims.
It will be cool to have some extra random heads finally!

LG Kickback: I love the Insecticons on the show, and this figure seems nice, but there's no point in getting only one part of the trio.

LG Triggerhappy: ahh.. wish he weren't a Headmaster......

Nah, easy pass on all these. Had Triggerhappy and couldn't even be bothered to open him from packaging and sold him. The others don't appeal to me or look hugely different to Hasbro versions to be worth importing. Still got Hot Rod and Kup pre-ordered though.

Cyberpath wrote:

There's also the Universe and Henkei! Henkei! versions if you wanna compare those with these as well.

Triggerhappy looks gorgeous- that shade of blue and the crisp white look lovely. I'm not sure I'll be replacing my gifted Hasbro Triggerhappy with him, even with the Targetmaster- he looks nice but not THAT nice. Still, I can't fault anyone who does.

Brawn looks pretty decent. I think I prefer the Hasbro colours but they both look nice.

Kickback looks cool too, and I prefer his colours over the Hasbro version. I wish his wings were fully chromed but you can't win 'em all.

These pics showed up faster than I had expected.

Triggerhappy looks mostly the same in terms of color layout and shade, but some paint apps are swapped around, either in placement or color. I'm guessing the "visor" around eyes is yellow, but it's hard to tell from these pics. The red of his optics kind of bleeds into that already small space visually. The real draw is the addition of his Targetmaster partner, so this is a must buy for me!

Brawn is absolutely perfect! Hasbro's is good, but this is GREAT! The brownish/olive green is on point for screen accuracy. All of the paint apps are there, including the silver horizontal stripes on his knees. He looks like he just stepped out of the original cartoon, more than ANY other toy version of Brawn has before. Must buy!

Kickback is interesting. On the surface, he's got much more screen (and toy) accuracy going for him than Hasbro's version. The silver and clear plastic wings look fantastic! His upper arms are now the proper black too. His Decepticon logo is now in the middle of his chest (sternum) instead of his right pectoral. He's even got the red horizontal striping on his shins akin to the G1 toy. Then...they apparently kept going with paint apps, like yellow knee caps (Hasbro had these two) and red stripes on his wrists. Those...aren't accurate to anything, screen nor toy. Odd choice for Takara. Still, the silver/clear wings sell this for me as my definitive "Classics" Kickback. Must buy! The Hasbro ones I have (three in all) will serve as his clones. I've done likewise, using TAV Shrapnel and Bombshell as their G1 selves while the Hasbro releases, each in triplicate, acting as their clone swarms. Yay for army building!

I like that Hasbro and Takara's Brawn are different shades of green. Though it does rather make me want to get a appropriately coloured South American Minibot to match now too.

Triggerhappy having white on his is a little odd mind.

Triggerhappy looks pretty much the same as Hasbro's, so i don't think i'll be getting him. I still have the Hasbro MOMC but i think i'll be opening him and wait for the other two jets from Hasbro (Misfire and Slugslinger). I like Targetmasters a lot, but it looks awkward in jetmode. I think the Targetmaster is too beefy.

Brawn looks awesome, i\ll be getting him, just wish they gave him a gun.

Kickback looks great too, but i would have preferred if they made an Insecticon 3-pack so we could get all of them in the same colourscheme with a few energon cubes and weapons. There really is no point in getting him while the other two are not readily available in the same colourscheme.

DMSL wrote:Kickback looks great too, but i would have preferred if they made an Insecticon 3-pack so we could get all of them in the same colourscheme with a few energon cubes and weapons. There really is no point in getting him while the other two are not readily available in the same colourscheme.

The problem is, Hasbro's Insecticons don't match up in terms of their colors either. Each one has different shades of purple and yellow unique to him. I can tell you that the TAV releases of Shrapnel and Bombshell are a bit closer of a match to each other, but still not nearly perfect. Either route you go, and any combination of Hasbro or Takara releases you choose, you're not going to have perfectly color-coordinated Insecticons, unfortunately.

Hasbro's Shrapnel and Kickback aren't uniform with Bombshell.
Takara's Shrapnel and Bombshell aren't uniform with Kickback.

Btw i'm hoping eventually that someone(ebay or some other likeminded site) will be selling TR Tidal Wave singular & loose(seeing as the fig is ONLY avaliable as a box set) that way you can get that fig without also having to get a whole host of other figs that come with it that you might not want