Studio Series Core Class Wave 1 Found in Puerto Rico and Wave 2 found in Dubai

Wow, that's kind of crazy with wave 2 in Dubai. I spent a bit of time in Dubai for work during the prime wars trilogy, and they were always about 3 waves behind.

Question:



Since this was a theatrically released Movie. Could/Should this open up it's own Studio Series line?

Review of Spike posted by chefatron on YT

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Question:



Since this was a theatrically released Movie. Could/Should this open up it's own Studio Series line?

I'd say no. Movies based on TV series are a dime a dozen in Japan and serve more as extensions to those series. In fact they're more like longer episodes given their runtime (under 1 hour), and can't really be compared to feature length movies here.

I assume in a "fictional" real world scenario the suits arms and legs would fold "around" the occupants arms and legs, or they tuck in somehow, otherwise, Spike pretty much dies the first time this transforms, or at the very least has broken arms & legs. After all, it does appear he (or in this case Daniel) has his arms tucked in next to his head with some controls which are not in the same location as the suites arms in alt mode

It's weird to think that in spite of the run time, this is the only other Transformers film. The Movie, Bayformers, BB and this BW2 movie.

While the convention of TV series movies might be common place in Japan. Within Transformers it isn't. That said, while I would like to see some of the figures that didn't make it into the Mainframe show, that appeared in the Japanese series, get new shiny figures in an SS line. It would annoy me as the MP Beast Wars line has gone dormant for a while now.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:It's weird to think that in spite of the run time, this is the only other Transformers film. The Movie, Bayformers, BB and this BW2 movie.

While the convention of TV series movies might be common place in Japan. Within Transformers it isn't. That said, while I would like to see some of the figures that didn't make it into the Mainframe show, that appeared in the Japanese series, get new shiny figures in an SS line. It would annoy me as the MP Beast Wars line has gone dormant for a while now.

Majin Zarak definitely, with Flash Lio Convoy and Burning Convoy added as bonuses.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Since this was a theatrically released Movie. Could/Should this open up it's own Studio Series line?

I wish...Unfortunately Hasbro doesn't really care how movies were released in other countries. I'm just glad we got a Selects God Neptune. My dream is still for a Titan Majin Zarak...but that's over on that "will never happen" list...

I mean if TT did it's own SS exclusives that would be amazing, but I don't see it happening any time soon.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:It's weird to think that in spite of the run time, this is the only other Transformers film. The Movie, Bayformers, BB and this BW2 movie.

Predacons Rising is a Movie too, no? Plus we now have 2 new Cyberverse films now.

o.supreme wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Since this was a theatrically released Movie. Could/Should this open up it's own Studio Series line?

I wish...Unfortunately Hasbro doesn't really care how movies were released in other countries. I'm just glad we got a Selects God Neptune. My dream is still for a Titan Majin Zarak...but that's over on that "will never happen" list...

I mean if TT did it's own SS exclusives that would be amazing, but I don't see it happening any time soon.

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:Majin Zarak definitely, with Flash Lio Convoy and Burning Convoy added as bonuses.

38. There are thirty eight characters in that Movie. Including both Beast Wars combiner teams. The idea of most of the characters present getting modern figures would be amazing.

william-james88 wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:It's weird to think that in spite of the run time, this is the only other Transformers film. The Movie, Bayformers, BB and this BW2 movie.

Predacons Rising is a Movie too, no?

Theatrical release?

william-james88 wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:It's weird to think that in spite of the run time, this is the only other Transformers film. The Movie, Bayformers, BB and this BW2 movie.

Predacons Rising is a Movie too, no?

Yes absolutely it is . I just wonder if it was actually released theatrically anywhere...even in a limited run?

Remember the "There are Nine Transformers Films" rant I did a while back . BWII is the only TF film I don't have a physical or digital copy of

I didn't follow Prime, so I had no idea about Predacons Rising. A quick look on the wiki only mentions 'Hulu'. So I assume it wasn't released in cinemas. Which would mean BW2 counts more towards this line than it would.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I didn't follow Prime, so I had no idea about Predacons Rising. A quick look on the wiki only mentions 'Hulu'. So I assume it wasn't released in cinemas. Which would mean BW2 counts more towards this line than it would.

I have a feeling they're both the same in Hasbro's eyes...on the 'fat chance' list. As I said in the other ss thread, we're more likely to get a What If? Style line of toy only designs like Wreckage etc

ZeroWolf wrote:I have a feeling they're both the same in Hasbro's eyes...on the 'fat chance' list. As I said in the other ss thread, we're more likely to get a What If? Style line of toy only designs like Wreckage etc

This is the most aggravating part though. These series are the only ones with films. Beast Wars (and Machines) didn't have one. Nor did Animated, Car Robots or UT. So when the '86 line winds down. The SS range exists for the Live Action films alone. Opening up the line to BW2 would add a considerable amount of variety at least.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote: So when the '86 line winds down. The SS range exists for the Live Action films alone.

Honestly, the 86 line just feels like a technicality. I mean it has Jazz who is not a character that was introduced in the film nor is prominant in it. It's just a convenience to have more toys on the shelves for you to buy that fit with other toys also on the shelves, (or on your shelves) like Cyclonus, Rodimus and Galvatron.

And we'll need that SS range since we are getting a whole bunch more characters in ROTB that are going to need SS releases like:

Mirage
Arcee
Optimus
Bumblebee
Off Road Bumblebee
Wheeljack
Optimus Primal
Cheetor
Airazor
Rhinox
Nightbird
Battletrap
Scourge

And whoever else they want from AOE, the Dinobots would be great to make up those leader/voyager slots.

I'd love more than anything for SS to open up for BWII. However, I think there are at least 50 characters (possibly more) from the 2nd-5th Bayverse films that haven't been released. then there are several more for BB, and then with TFTM, even if we assume "movie accurate" decos from ER and Kingdom count, and wont be redone in SS86, there's still several characters there, so more than enough to fill in the 1 year gap until RotB. 4-5 years easily to cover all that ground without even touching BWII.

Good and fair points. I just hold out the faintest hope that someday Tripredacus and Magnaboss might receive a redux.

Speaking of RotB. What is the typical turnover between standard movie line and inclusion in SS?

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Good and fair points. I just hold out the faintest hope that someday Tripredacus and Magnaboss might receive a redux.

Speaking of RotB. What is the typical turnover between standard movie line and inclusion in SS?

Amen. Updates to those two would be Amazing! If the BB movie is any indication, it is about a year after the films release to get SS. However...since RotB got pushed back, and we do know some of the more kid-aimed RotB toys will be released this year, because well, cant stop production, then next year in 2023, when the film actually comes out, SS could be looking pretty good for RotB releases.

Pretty crazy that we are still only January and the second wave of 2022's Studio Series core class has already shown up at retail. Spike is the only new toy in that wave and we now have some in hand images to share with you. They give us a much better look at the alt mode, and we can see that he indeed does have defined back wheels. The images below come from a review uploaded by Chefatron.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

wj88 wrote:Predacons Rising is a Movie too, no?

Theatrical release?

Maybe in select theatres, but it was made to be sold on DVD, like the DC Animated films. But in this now age of streaming, a theatrical release is meaningless. It's still a TF film made by a studio.

Though I don't see that nor animated beast Wars getting into the SS line.

Sabrblade wrote:Makes me wanna see comparison shots of SS BB Soundwave with FOC Soundwave. He was a big Voyager too.

Here is all the soundwave figures (deluxe and up) that I have.

LinaNui wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Makes me wanna see comparison shots of SS BB Soundwave with FOC Soundwave. He was a big Voyager too.

Here is all the soundwave figures (deluxe and up) that I have.

You should put SS Bee Soundwave and FoC Soundwave up front so he can see them.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Question:



Since this was a theatrically released Movie. Could/Should this open up it's own Studio Series line?

I brought this up when people were complaining about the 86 line, I think it would be great to see the other animated films from the Transformers brand represented in the Studio Series line.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:It's weird to think that in spite of the run time, this is the only other Transformers film. The Movie, Bayformers, BB and this BW2 movie.

The Beast Wars season 3 episode "Cutting Edge" was released as a theatrical film in Japan. It was extended with added footage from "Optimal Situation" to recap Optimus's "great transformation" to the viewers since that season hadn't aired on TV in Japan yet. It's the only Season 3 episode that was omitted from the Japanese DVD release of Beast Wars Metals since it's counted as a movie instead of an episode.

Same with "Bad Spark" being omitted from the Japanese DVDs since it too was released theatrically in Japan.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I didn't follow Prime, so I had no idea about Predacons Rising. A quick look on the wiki only mentions 'Hulu'. So I assume it wasn't released in cinemas. Which would mean BW2 counts more towards this line than it would.

Predacons Rising is something of a gray area. It was first released as a TV movie on the Hub, but eventually was added to the show's episode rerun rotation as Episodes 66, 67, and 68, split up into three parts.

This is basically the same thing that happened for Transformers Animated's two TV specials, "Transform and Roll Out" and "TransWarped", which both first aired as feature-length TV specials before being cut up into three-part episode form later.

Similarly, the first three episodes of Prime's third season aired in Singapore as a combined TV movie, but aired everywhere else in episode format.

Conversely, many of Prime's multi-part episodes were released on DVD in an edited-together format to present them as feature-length DVD movies: "Darkness Rising" went from five episodes to one movie, seven serialized episodes ("One Shall Fall", "One Shall Rise, Parts 1-3", and "Orion Pax, Parts 1-3") were combined into a movie called "One Shall Stand", and the first four episodes of season 3 (s "Darkmount, NV", "Scattered", "Prey", and "Rebellion") were combined into a movie called "Dawn of the Beast" (essentially what aired earlier in Singapore only without the fourth part, giving it a cliffhanger ending in that version).

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:In fact they're more like longer episodes given their runtime (under 1 hour), and can't really be compared to feature length movies here.

At the time, yeah, when they used to be double features with other anime movies. These days anime films made to go with TV series tend to have full feature length run times. Most recently Demon Slayer: Mugen Train has a two hour run time, Jujutsu Kaisen 0 is 1h 45m, and Evangelion: 3.0+1.0: Thrice Upon A Time runs 2h 34m. Even One Piece went from their earlier movies being less than hour 20 years ago to their most recent ones being on either side of two hours.

Emerje

Sabrblade wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:It's weird to think that in spite of the run time, this is the only other Transformers film. The Movie, Bayformers, BB and this BW2 movie.

The Beast Wars season 3 episode "Cutting Edge" was released as a theatrical film in Japan. It was extended with added footage from "Optimal Situation" to recap Optimus's "great transformation" to the viewers since that season hadn't aired on TV in Japan yet. It's the only Season 3 episode that was omitted from the Japanese DVD release of Beast Wars Metals since it's counted as a movie instead of an episode.

Same with "Bad Spark" being omitted from the Japanese DVDs since it too was released theatrically in Japan.

If only Beast Wars had been given an actual movie. Imagine The Nemesis finale being reworked with a movie budget? We might have gotten to see the Coneheads appearance that Simon Furman envisioned.

Sabrblade wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I didn't follow Prime, so I had no idea about Predacons Rising. A quick look on the wiki only mentions 'Hulu'. So I assume it wasn't released in cinemas. Which would mean BW2 counts more towards this line than it would.

Predacons Rising is something of a gray area. It was first released as a TV movie on the Hub, but eventually was added to the show's episode rerun rotation as Episodes 66, 67, and 68, split up into three parts.

This is basically the same thing that happened for Transformers Animated's two TV specials, "Transform and Roll Out" and "TransWarped", which both first aired as feature-length TV specials before being cut up into three-part episode form later.

Similarly, the first three episodes of Prime's third season aired in Singapore as a combined TV movie, but aired everywhere else in episode format.

Conversely, many of Prime's multi-part episodes were released on DVD in an edited-together format to present them as feature-length DVD movies: "Darkness Rising" went from five episodes to one movie, seven serialized episodes ("One Shall Fall", "One Shall Rise, Parts 1-3", and "Orion Pax, Parts 1-3") were combined into a movie called "One Shall Stand", and the first four episodes of season 3 (s "Darkmount, NV", "Scattered", "Prey", and "Rebellion") were combined into a movie called "Dawn of the Beast" (essentially what aired earlier in Singapore only without the fourth part, giving it a cliffhanger ending in that version).

To me, if it could be broken evenly into parts, that would mean Predacons Rising doesn't count as a Movie in the same context as BW2. Following the logic of that, every multipart Transformers story could be classified as a film. Five Faces of Darkness, The Rebirth, Other Voices, The Agenda etc, etc Which isn't the case.

The precedent set so far for the Studio Series, theatrically released features, keeps it more black and white. Which is obviously academic, as neither PR nor BW2 have a chance of joining this line. As we've all already noted.

I just thought to add it once more to the conversation since BW2 is so radically different to the current output of the SS line. It could add some variety. Taken from the era that didn't keep forcing out a new Prime, BB, Ratchet etc into every new project.

I have friends that collect the SS line and I respect what has been achieved with these figures. While not for me. If they gave new versions of Spittor*, Iguanus* or the Gestalts produced at this level of quality. Then, I'd be interested.

**Diver and Crazybolt, respectively.

The first core class toys from the Studio Series line have now been found on US shelves. Shockwave and Ravage, both from the Bumblebee Movie, were found at a Texas Walmart which looked really well stocked, especially coming out of the Christmas shipping season. Th photo was posted by @PopCultureJunk2 on Twitter. As can be seen in the picture below, these core class figures were placed on pegs a little off from the main Transformers section, which was too full.

Spike will be in wave 2 and he has already been found in the middle east so that wave could show up soon in other places as well.

If you have found them, share your sightings with our community in the sightings section and on our boards in your region related thread.

It's sad to think I haven't seen toy shelves like that in years.

One of the guys in our line chat group found ravage and shockwave yesterday at a Wal Mart in Harvey Louisiana.

Cyber Bishop wrote:One of the guys in our line chat group found ravage and shockwave yesterday at a Wal Mart in Harvey Louisiana.

I picked them up (Online via Kapow) for a friend who is collecting the Core Class. I misread the description and thought they were '86 SS

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:
To me, if it could be broken evenly into parts, that would mean Predacons Rising doesn't count as a Movie in the same context as BW2. Following the logic of that, every multipart Transformers story could be classified as a film. Five Faces of Darkness, The Rebirth, Other Voices, The Agenda etc, etc Which isn't the case.

The original intent of Predacon rising was a straight to video movie release. What happens after doesn't matter.

Just found Shockwave & Ravage today in a Virginia Walmart... looked to have several in stock

transformers_va wrote:Just found Shockwave & Ravage today in a Virginia Walmart... looked to have several in stock

Did you get them?

william-james88 wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:
To me, if it could be broken evenly into parts, that would mean Predacons Rising doesn't count as a Movie in the same context as BW2. Following the logic of that, every multipart Transformers story could be classified as a film. Five Faces of Darkness, The Rebirth, Other Voices, The Agenda etc, etc Which isn't the case.

The original intent of Predacon rising was a straight to video movie release. What happens after doesn't matter.

Exactly. TF:TM was split into 5 parts in 1988/89 and shown with other episodes in the puppet prime reruns. That dosen't make it any less of movie. Same for Predacons Rising.

william-james88 wrote:

transformers_va wrote:Just found Shockwave & Ravage today in a Virginia Walmart... looked to have several in stock

Did you get them?

Yes, but I'm not hugely pleased with Ravage. He doesn't look good in either mode, or in Soundwave's chest

o.supreme wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:
To me, if it could be broken evenly into parts, that would mean Predacons Rising doesn't count as a Movie in the same context as BW2. Following the logic of that, every multipart Transformers story could be classified as a film. Five Faces of Darkness, The Rebirth, Other Voices, The Agenda etc, etc Which isn't the case.

The original intent of Predacon rising was a straight to video movie release. What happens after doesn't matter.

Exactly. TF:TM was split into 5 parts in 1988/89 and shown with other episodes in the puppet prime reruns. That dosen't make it any less of movie. Same for Predacons Rising.

I'll give you that, but there is a bit of a difference in feel of production value between theatrical releases and "made-for-TV" or "straight-to-DVD": the latter category is notorious for lackluster sequels of successful theatrical movies, plus the lower budget really shows.

True. Predacons Rising dosen't have the feel of a theatrical release. But personally, I still think it's a pretty awesome addendum to a series that had a really strong ending as it was.

o.supreme wrote:True. Predacons Rising dosen't have the feel of a theatrical release. But personally, I still think it's a pretty awesome addendum to a series that had a really strong ending as it was.

Plus it has its own accompanying merchandise.

william-james88 wrote:

o.supreme wrote:True. Predacons Rising dosen't have the feel of a theatrical release. But personally, I still think it's a pretty awesome addendum to a series that had a really strong ending as it was.

Plus it has its own accompanying merchandise.

If you could find it

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

o.supreme wrote:True. Predacons Rising dosen't have the feel of a theatrical release. But personally, I still think it's a pretty awesome addendum to a series that had a really strong ending as it was.

Plus it has its own accompanying merchandise.

If you could find it

Well it was Target exclusive. Was it hard to find in the US?

I don't think so. I was able to get the Legion Abominus set for my son on clearance.

william-james88 wrote:

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

o.supreme wrote:True. Predacons Rising dosen't have the feel of a theatrical release. But personally, I still think it's a pretty awesome addendum to a series that had a really strong ending as it was.

Plus it has its own accompanying merchandise.

If you could find it

Well it was Target exclusive. Was it hard to find in the US?

Wave 2 (Nova Blast Bumblebee, Cryofire Predaking, Bombshock & Soundwave, Night Shadow Bumblebee vs. Blight) had limited distribution in the US, and none if any anywhere else including Canada and Europe.

william-james88 wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:
To me, if it could be broken evenly into parts, that would mean Predacons Rising doesn't count as a Movie in the same context as BW2. Following the logic of that, every multipart Transformers story could be classified as a film. Five Faces of Darkness, The Rebirth, Other Voices, The Agenda etc, etc Which isn't the case.

The original intent of Predacon rising was a straight to video movie release. What happens after doesn't matter.

It aired on TV first, four days before its DVD release.

Sabrblade wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:
To me, if it could be broken evenly into parts, that would mean Predacons Rising doesn't count as a Movie in the same context as BW2. Following the logic of that, every multipart Transformers story could be classified as a film. Five Faces of Darkness, The Rebirth, Other Voices, The Agenda etc, etc Which isn't the case.

The original intent of Predacon rising was a straight to video movie release. What happens after doesn't matter.

It aired on TV first, four days before its DVD release.

Similar to how all of WB major films in 2021 were released in theaters and on HBO Max the same day . Except PR only aired once before the DVD release, and still as a single film.

o.supreme wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:
To me, if it could be broken evenly into parts, that would mean Predacons Rising doesn't count as a Movie in the same context as BW2. Following the logic of that, every multipart Transformers story could be classified as a film. Five Faces of Darkness, The Rebirth, Other Voices, The Agenda etc, etc Which isn't the case.

The original intent of Predacon rising was a straight to video movie release. What happens after doesn't matter.

It aired on TV first, four days before its DVD release.

Similar to how all of WB major films in 2021 were released in theaters and on HBO Max the same day . Except PR only aired once before the DVD release, and still as a single film.

So then it's a "TV movie" rather than a "DVD movie".

Sabrblade wrote:

o.supreme wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:
To me, if it could be broken evenly into parts, that would mean Predacons Rising doesn't count as a Movie in the same context as BW2. Following the logic of that, every multipart Transformers story could be classified as a film. Five Faces of Darkness, The Rebirth, Other Voices, The Agenda etc, etc Which isn't the case.

The original intent of Predacon rising was a straight to video movie release. What happens after doesn't matter.

It aired on TV first, four days before its DVD release.

Similar to how all of WB major films in 2021 were released in theaters and on HBO Max the same day . Except PR only aired once before the DVD release, and still as a single film.

So then it's a "TV movie" rather than a "DVD movie".

It's both

william-james88 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

o.supreme wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:
To me, if it could be broken evenly into parts, that would mean Predacons Rising doesn't count as a Movie in the same context as BW2. Following the logic of that, every multipart Transformers story could be classified as a film. Five Faces of Darkness, The Rebirth, Other Voices, The Agenda etc, etc Which isn't the case.

The original intent of Predacon rising was a straight to video movie release. What happens after doesn't matter.

It aired on TV first, four days before its DVD release.

Similar to how all of WB major films in 2021 were released in theaters and on HBO Max the same day . Except PR only aired once before the DVD release, and still as a single film.

So then it's a "TV movie" rather than a "DVD movie".

It's both

Is the same also true of "Transform and Roll Out" and "TransWarped"? As they too were later split into episode form after their initial broadcasts as TV specials.

No because those were made specifically to be individual episodes. They have obvious act breaks etc. Similar to the first 3 episodes of Superman TAS or Justice League. 3 episodes that aired as specials on TV in their premiere. Predacons Rising is a proper film. There are no obvious act breaks. Like TF:TM in 1988, they would have to abruptly pick a place to end an pick up PR if broken into episodes later.

Neither special from TFA was advertised as an actual film.

o.supreme wrote:There are no obvious act breaks.

Sure there are. Part 1, for instance, ends right as Unicron arrives at Darkmount and speaks the line "Minions of the Prime, prepare to be obliterated!!" There's a big trumpet fanfare accompanying this part that's meant to close it out in episode form, but in the movie form it is edited to seamlessly transition into the very next shot that is the beginning of Part 2.

This is how they did it for all of Prime's multi-parters that were later released on DVD in combined movie form. The final black screens of each episode were taken out and the music was scored in such a way that each episode's last composition would transition seamlessly into the first one of each next episode.

When the first three episodes of season 3 aired in Singapore as a single TV special, the beginning and end of each episode was blended together exactly like this, making the cliffhanger endings of the first and second episodes transition seamlessly into the first shot of the second and third episodes, respectively. When it first aired, it was really hard to tell where each part ended and the next part began because it genuinely felt like one whole piece instead of multiple pieces merged together.

Same with the DVD movie version of "Darkness Rising". Watching that version knowing where each part was supposed to start and stop, the moments of transition were so smooth that they never felt like the beginning and end of two different episodes stitched together, but like the same single episode five times longer than normal.

Meanwhile, "Transform and Roll Out" only feels like two parts merged together instead of three, as the transition between its first two parts is extremely subtle. Part 3's beginning, however, is very obvious since the music changes so drastically and the scene cut does go to black very briefly, but not brief enough to be unnoticeable. When "TransWarped" first aired as a movie, all three of its parts were likewise seamlessly woven together, much like the Prime DVD movies.

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

o.supreme wrote:True. Predacons Rising dosen't have the feel of a theatrical release. But personally, I still think it's a pretty awesome addendum to a series that had a really strong ending as it was.

Plus it has its own accompanying merchandise.

If you could find it

Well it was Target exclusive. Was it hard to find in the US?

Wave 2 (Nova Blast Bumblebee, Cryofire Predaking, Bombshock & Soundwave, Night Shadow Bumblebee vs. Blight) had limited distribution in the US, and none if any anywhere else including Canada and Europe.

I don't recall those being hard to find at all, though I do regret passing on the Legion 2 packs, but they aren't ridiculously overpriced on eBay (trying to import Rot Gut from Europe for under $50 on the other hand...). Only two figures that got NA releases but were pretty impossible to find in the US is wave 5 Voyagers Optimus Prime and Predaking, but that was still regular line.

Emerje