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SW's SilverHammer wrote:preview discussion WITH ALL OF THE SPOILERS!1!!11!


So i never wanted to say it because it seemed to simple but I always figured since mention 1, the first vos was agent 113 considering he's you know dead, and the only title in the DJD to have a known successor, the Vos Va'al loves/The Vos that loves tears for Fears. I honestly figured roller and tarn being the same person while being true, was a red herring to the identity of the agent. Though if the person on the monitor is the first vos, why dosen't have hooks for hands and feet as mentioned in More than Meets the Eye #29. Though i could be taking that to literally, the mention of hooks on the first Vos's hands and feet could be an exaggeration or just to show monstrous his hooked fingers and toes and/or feet were.

Randomhero wrote:

SW's SilverHammer wrote:preview discussion WITH ALL OF THE SPOILERS!1!!11!


So i never wanted to say it because it seemed to simple but I always figured since mention 1, the first vos was agent 113 considering he's you know dead, and the only title in the DJD to have a known successor, the Vos Va'al loves/The Vos that loves tears for Fears. I honestly figured roller and tarn being the same person while being true, was a red herring to the identity of the agent. Though if the person on the monitor is the first vos, why dosen't have hooks for hands and feet as mentioned in More than Meets the Eye #29. Though i could be taking that to literally, the mention of hooks on the first Vos's hands and feet could be an exaggeration or just to show monstrous his hooked fingers and toes and/or feet were.

You don't have to make that much blacked out. The fact that there was a Vos with hooks was revealed over a year and half ago and that the DJD replace members when one dies. The only original member of the DJD in my theory is Tarn.

Sorry if I'm being inconsiderate but if you click on the post that says major spoilers than you're entering the discussion and don't mind.

Honestly, Vos was always my guess, but it was the current Vos. Agent 113 being dead makes complete sense because after slaughter house, I find hard to believe anyone in the current DJD roster was a secret Autobot. Especially after the flashbacks of them all partaking in the deaths of over 200 Autobots.

Tarn being Roller, while I was convinced at the time, I have zero faith in that theory. Anymore, it's too blatant.

My personal theory is that Tarn is Ultra Magnus, the original Ultra Magnus. His "death" has never been highlighted except he died but it's never been revealed how he died. Tarn has an affinity for music. We know so does Ultra Magnus. Magnus' favorite music just so happens to be the Empeream Suite,something that is Tarns favorite as well. Now before anyone objects, I know that Ambus/Magnus is the one that loves music. But Minimus Ambus is ultra Magnus. What if the love of music is something that Ambus has adopted after taking the mantle because it was known that the original Magnus has an affection for that song and music in general. Minimus would adopt that love too to keep up the portrayal of Magnus. My other point is that Tarn knows about the Magnus Armor. In slaughter house, tarn goes out of his way to remove Magnus' hand so the recall switch would not be activated upon Minimus' death. Only someone who knew about the Magnus armor would do that, and we know that in the flashback with Brainstorm he would never leak information that could legitimately harm an Autobot so if Braintstorm did know about the switch, he wouldn't have told anyone because that would jeopardize minus' life.

In the end, I really believe Tarn might be the original Magnus' who switched sides or was shadowplayed. A flashback of tarn shows him being rebuilt by bots similar to the ones that performed shadowplay on Shockwave. It's possible that with the reputation the original Magnus has, Megatron wanted him for the Decepticons or he saw Megatron's way was the right way.

SW's SilverHammer wrote:

Randomhero wrote:

SW's SilverHammer wrote:preview discussion WITH ALL OF THE SPOILERS!1!!11!


So i never wanted to say it because it seemed to simple but I always figured since mention 1, the first vos was agent 113 considering he's you know dead, and the only title in the DJD to have a known successor, the Vos Va'al loves/The Vos that loves tears for Fears. I honestly figured roller and tarn being the same person while being true, was a red herring to the identity of the agent. Though if the person on the monitor is the first vos, why dosen't have hooks for hands and feet as mentioned in More than Meets the Eye #29. Though i could be taking that to literally, the mention of hooks on the first Vos's hands and feet could be an exaggeration or just to show monstrous his hooked fingers and toes and/or feet were.

You don't have to make that much blacked out. The fact that there was a Vos with hooks was revealed over a year and half ago and that the DJD replace members when one dies. The only original member of the DJD in my theory is Tarn.

Sorry if I'm being inconsiderate but if you click on the post that says major spoilers than you're entering the discussion and don't mind.

Honestly, Vos was always my guess, but it was the current Vos. Agent 113 being dead makes complete sense because after slaughter house, I find hard to believe anyone in the current DJD roster was a secret Autobot. Especially after the flashbacks of them all partaking in the deaths of over 200 Autobots.

Tarn being Roller, while I was convinced at the time, I have zero faith in that theory. Anymore, it's too blatant.

My personal theory is that Tarn is Ultra Magnus, the original Ultra Magnus. His "death" has never been highlighted except he died but it's never been revealed how he died. Tarn has an affinity for music. We know so does Ultra Magnus. Magnus' favorite music just so happens to be the Empeream Suite,something that is Tarns favorite as well. Now before anyone objects, I know that Ambus/Magnus is the one that loves music. But Minimus Ambus is ultra Magnus. What if the love of music is something that Ambus has adopted after taking the mantle because it was known that the original Magnus has an affection for that song and music in general. Minimus would adopt that love too to keep up the portrayal of Magnus. My other point is that Tarn knows about the Magnus Armor. In slaughter house, tarn goes out of his way to remove Magnus' hand so the recall switch would not be activated upon Minimus' death. Only someone who knew about the Magnus armor would do that, and we know that in the flashback with Brainstorm he would never leak information that could legitimately harm an Autobot so if Braintstorm did know about the switch, he wouldn't have told anyone because that would jeopardize minus' life.

In the end, I really believe Tarn might be the original Magnus' who switched sides or was shadowplayed. A flashback of tarn shows him being rebuilt by bots similar to the ones that performed shadowplay on Shockwave. It's possible that with the reputation the original Magnus has, Megatron wanted him for the Decepticons or he saw Megatron's way was the right way.

Well I was being sarcastic the the ALL THE SPOILERS especially if you consider how many ones where mixed in with the exclamation marks. Plus even though the sneak peak noted spoilers, i'm sure someone would've been asked me, or told me I should've put those points in the spoiler text


. As for the Ultra magnus being Tarn, I see it being plausible. However there are multiple reasons as to why I don't believe in that is mostly because the characteristics, such as the love of music as being coincidental. I doubt that Minumus Ambus would assume every characteristic of the previous ultra mangni, or at the least the first, considering there are inconsistencies between all of them. The only thing that lends credence is the fact someone knew about the panic button, and the fact someone was inside ultra magnus, however that could also have been coincidental, or someone other than tarn removed magnus's hand. I'm still more inclined to believe it's roller because we had an entire issue showing roller had many of the same tendencies and traits as tarn, and went MIA. The original Ultra Magnus has not shown any of the same personality traits, much less addictive personality traits in autocracy, monstrosity and primacy. Nor has it been hinted that the original Ultra Magnus was a loadbearer in armor, meaning that he wouldn't have had knowledge of the panic button in the palm either. Adding to that, the magnus armor we know Minimus Ambus to wear, as well as the previous load bearers, was created after the original Ultra Magnus's death. Another point, is that of some speculation. Chief Justice Tyrest would be one of the few people to probably know the circumstance under which the Original Ultra Magnus died, and used that information to build the magnus armor. Not first hand, but it's not unlikely he found out how he died, or how he didn't. If it were the latter it would've probably been noted at some point from some of the higher ups including Tyrest.

Randomhero wrote:I don't believe it's Roller because it's too blatant, that's not how Roberts writes.

One theory I'll throw to you all is this and keep in mind this is just a fun theory. I really think it's Magnus but I have a second theory about Tarn. What if it's Senator Proteus? There's a flaskback of Starscream having Proteus at gunpoint but it didn't show Starscream shoot. What if they took Proteus and performed shadow play on him as an act of revenge for what was done to Shockwave and what was attempted on Megatron. You take the one person who truly started this war, the one person who hated megatron and the Decepticons the most and you turn him into the most loyal soldier ever.

This is just a fun theory.

Randomhero wrote:

SW's SilverHammer wrote:

Randomhero wrote:

SW's SilverHammer wrote:preview discussion WITH ALL OF THE SPOILERS!1!!11!


So i never wanted to say it because it seemed to simple but I always figured since mention 1, the first vos was agent 113 considering he's you know dead, and the only title in the DJD to have a known successor, the Vos Va'al loves/The Vos that loves tears for Fears. I honestly figured roller and tarn being the same person while being true, was a red herring to the identity of the agent. Though if the person on the monitor is the first vos, why dosen't have hooks for hands and feet as mentioned in More than Meets the Eye #29. Though i could be taking that to literally, the mention of hooks on the first Vos's hands and feet could be an exaggeration or just to show monstrous his hooked fingers and toes and/or feet were.

You don't have to make that much blacked out. The fact that there was a Vos with hooks was revealed over a year and half ago and that the DJD replace members when one dies. The only original member of the DJD in my theory is Tarn.

Sorry if I'm being inconsiderate but if you click on the post that says major spoilers than you're entering the discussion and don't mind.

Honestly, Vos was always my guess, but it was the current Vos. Agent 113 being dead makes complete sense because after slaughter house, I find hard to believe anyone in the current DJD roster was a secret Autobot. Especially after the flashbacks of them all partaking in the deaths of over 200 Autobots.

Tarn being Roller, while I was convinced at the time, I have zero faith in that theory. Anymore, it's too blatant.

My personal theory is that Tarn is Ultra Magnus, the original Ultra Magnus. His "death" has never been highlighted except he died but it's never been revealed how he died. Tarn has an affinity for music. We know so does Ultra Magnus. Magnus' favorite music just so happens to be the Empeream Suite,something that is Tarns favorite as well. Now before anyone objects, I know that Ambus/Magnus is the one that loves music. But Minimus Ambus is ultra Magnus. What if the love of music is something that Ambus has adopted after taking the mantle because it was known that the original Magnus has an affection for that song and music in general. Minimus would adopt that love too to keep up the portrayal of Magnus. My other point is that Tarn knows about the Magnus Armor. In slaughter house, tarn goes out of his way to remove Magnus' hand so the recall switch would not be activated upon Minimus' death. Only someone who knew about the Magnus armor would do that, and we know that in the flashback with Brainstorm he would never leak information that could legitimately harm an Autobot so if Braintstorm did know about the switch, he wouldn't have told anyone because that would jeopardize minus' life.

In the end, I really believe Tarn might be the original Magnus' who switched sides or was shadowplayed. A flashback of tarn shows him being rebuilt by bots similar to the ones that performed shadowplay on Shockwave. It's possible that with the reputation the original Magnus has, Megatron wanted him for the Decepticons or he saw Megatron's way was the right way.

Well I was being sarcastic the the ALL THE SPOILERS especially if you consider how many ones where mixed in with the exclamation marks. Plus even though the sneak peak noted spoilers, i'm sure someone would've been asked me, or told me I should've put those points in the spoiler text


. As for the Ultra magnus being Tarn, I see it being plausible. However there are multiple reasons as to why I don't believe in that is mostly because the characteristics, such as the love of music as being coincidental. I doubt that Minumus Ambus would assume every characteristic of the previous ultra mangni, or at the least the first, considering there are inconsistencies between all of them. The only thing that lends credence is the fact someone knew about the panic button, and the fact someone was inside ultra magnus, however that could also have been coincidental, or someone other than tarn removed magnus's hand. I'm still more inclined to believe it's roller because we had an entire issue showing roller had many of the same tendencies and traits as tarn, and went MIA. The original Ultra Magnus has not shown any of the same personality traits, much less addictive personality traits in autocracy, monstrosity and primacy. Nor has it been hinted that the original Ultra Magnus was a loadbearer in armor, meaning that he wouldn't have had knowledge of the panic button in the palm either. Adding to that, the magnus armor we know Minimus Ambus to wear, as well as the previous load bearers, was created after the original Ultra Magnus's death. Another point, is that of some speculation. Chief Justice Tyrest would be one of the few people to probably know the circumstance under which the Original Ultra Magnus died, and used that information to build the magnus armor. Not first hand, but it's not unlikely he found out how he died, or how he didn't. If it were the latter it would've probably been noted at some point from some of the higher ups including Tyrest.

Ah but here's the thing, Ambus does take on the characteristics and even improves on them. We've seen through flashbacks that the previous Magnus bearers had ticks and Ambus having OCD has improved in them. Previous Magnus wearers have been shown to be dirty, reckless over charismatic , and wear crooked badges. Things Ambus removed and improved on when taking the mantle. Also, like I said Minimus has OCD so he would take on the characteristics of the person he's trying to become Magnus and be the best. That's why the only people who knew about the armor were not people who figured it out big people who were informed.

Randomhero wrote:All im saying is look at the clues that Roberts sprinkles around MTMTE. Minimus Ambus/Ultra Magnus clues were all over the place. Not Minimus himself but the idea that Magnus wasn't the real Magnus. Roberts likes to leave drops not spills. The roller/tarn clues are blatant spills, not drops. There's hints that prove my theories of Magnus being tarn or even Proteus. Roberts created proteus when he didn't have to because Senator Decimus was already created back in Megatron Origin. Decimus was more than enough to be the figure head of megatrons push and was for 6 years before MTMTE expanded on megatron origin. Roberts came along and created Proteus who has been extremely important to mtmtes lore and still hasn't had a pay off.

Randomhero wrote:We saw Starscream point his gun at him but we didn't see him shoot him. All we saw washim pointing a gun at at proteus . Roberts has never come out and said Proteus is dead. We're led to assume he did but people assume a lot on MTMTE and 9/10 Roberts throws a curveball our way and we never saw it coming. Just like how we saw Pharma fall to his death only to turn up a year later. Everyone thought Pharma died only to survive the fall and be saved by Tyrest. Or even tailgate, he led everyone to believe he led a huge life and we believed it only to reveal he was a garbage man. Flashbacks even showed him doing great stuff like him handing handing a data pad to convince nova pushing to go to the stars where in fact it was probably him handing nova a sanitation report about the Ark.

This is Roberts! He doesn't introduce characters and throws them away. This is just a fun theory I have but if Megatron had the best mnumosurgeon in history and we've seen tarn being rebuilt by lobe, it's very possible Megatron turned Proteus into the thing he utterly hates as the greatest form of irony.

Randomhero wrote:But who says Tarn's identity is a secret? Tarn's identity could very much be like how shockwave was handled. Everyone knew who shockwave used to be but after 4 million years it just didn't matter anymore. It's very possible the mystery of Tarn's identity is just for us and not the characters in the book. Prowl made a small comment back in issue 14 that everyone might know who he is and Blup even made a comment before his death that his identity is well known.

Randomhero wrote:Why should it be? It doesn't matter to anyone on the lost light. The DJD have shown up in 6 issues of MTMTE out of 45 issues. While they are a huge threat, they are not the end game in the crews point of view. They are to us-the fans- because we know what's coming but the crew does not. Tarn means nothing to anyone on that ship aside from Megatron but Megatron isn't going around telling the crew everything about the Decepticons because it doesn't matter. How many times has tarn been brought up by anyone on the ship? Never. He means nothing to anyone on that ship and there's never been a point on the lost light because it doesn't matter to them.

Other than what happened on the other lost light and trailbreakers death, the DJD mean nothing to them. While the fans know the DJD are an enormous deal, they're not to a crew of 200 Autobots searching for the nights of cybertron.

Randomhero wrote:James isn't giving a lot of of time to it. The fans are. We-the fans- are the ones putting in the time trying to find any hint and digging to try and find out these things.

There's people who told took that issue of elegant chaos with roller and saw all these blatant hints that roller is tarn and said without a doubt that Tarn is roller. But there are other people who say Roberts did that deliberately because he is aware of all the speculation and gets that stuff rammed down his throat on social media and did it to deliberately mess with the fans. Something James does do and is very good at it.

Randomhero wrote:Keeps you reading and guessing though.

Randomhero wrote:I wouldn't call James a bad writer but he's certainly not in my top 5 transformers writers

SW's SilverHammer wrote:Im still wondering what the breadcrumbs are, especially for the original ultra magnus.

Randomhero wrote:

SW's SilverHammer wrote:Im still wondering what the breadcrumbs are, especially for the original ultra magnus.

I already said them all on the first page. Go read them because I am no typing all that a second time. lol

Randomhero wrote:Tarn knows about the Magnus Armor. In slaughter house, tarn goes out of his way to remove Magnus' hand so the recall switch would not be activated upon Minimus' death. Only someone who knew about the Magnus armor would do that, and we know that in the flashback with Brainstorm he would never leak information that could legitimately harm an Autobot so if Braintstorm did know about the switch, he wouldn't have told anyone because that would jeopardize minus' life.

Randomhero wrote:Ambus does take on the characteristics and even improves on them. We've seen through flashbacks that the previous Magnus bearers had ticks and Ambus having OCD has improved in them. Previous Magnus wearers have been shown to be dirty, reckless over charismatic , and wear crooked badges. Things Ambus removed and improved on when taking the mantle. Also, like I said Minimus has OCD so he would take on the characteristics of the person he's trying to become Magnus and be the best. That's why the only people who knew about the armor were not people who figured it out big people who were informed.

Randomhero wrote:A flashback of tarn shows him being rebuilt by bots similar to the ones that performed shadowplay on Shockwave. It's possible that with the reputation the original Magnus has, Megatron wanted him for the Decepticons or he saw Megatron's way was the right way.

Randomhero wrote:Honestly in the end if tarn is roller who does that benefits on the lost light? You say Rodimus but Rodimus never had a conversation with him when they traveled back and didn't really bother asking about him after he was injured after the battle the battle ended...

Transformers: More Than Meets the Eye #44
James Roberts (w) • Hayato Sakamoto (a) • Alex Milne (c)
Navicomp safety mode activated. Please select a reason for deviating from your flight path. Is it (a) accident, (b) necessity, or (c) a gnawing, crippling sense of guilt?
FC • 32 pages • $3.99

Bullet points:
Here’s somebody that knows where all the bodies are buried!
Danger and pathos in the mighty MTMTE tradition!
Variant Cover by Agnes Garbowska!

Yweggo wrote:For a guy who has been frustrated by every thing that happens on the Lost Light Megatron is very quick to say "Lets go take a detour." Course that could be just to annoy Rodimus. Wouldn't put it past him.

Yweggo wrote:For a guy who has been frustrated by every thing that happens on the Lost Light Megatron is very quick to say "Lets go take a detour." Course that could be just to annoy Rodimus. Wouldn't put it past him.

Yweggo wrote:For a guy who has been frustrated by every thing that happens on the Lost Light Megatron is very quick to say "Lets go take a detour." Course that could be just to annoy Rodimus. Wouldn't put it past him.

Yweggo wrote:For a guy who has been frustrated by every thing that happens on the Lost Light Megatron is very quick to say "Lets go take a detour." Course that could be just to annoy Rodimus. Wouldn't put it past him.

MrBlack wrote:

Yweggo wrote:For a guy who has been frustrated by every thing that happens on the Lost Light Megatron is very quick to say "Lets go take a detour." Course that could be just to annoy Rodimus. Wouldn't put it past him.

Megatron smiling is never a good sign. He wants to visit for reasons of his own.

This being James Roberts, I'm sure there is still some twist to Dominus Ambus yet to be revealed. I half wonder if Ten is somehow Dominus Ambus. It would help to explain his connection with Magnus (although that could just be because of both their connections to Tyrest), and it would be epically tragic to have a polymath like Dominus reduced to a being that essentially suffers from extreme autism. As to the how, I couldn't tell you. This theory is honestly pretty out there.

Randomhero wrote:I hope this puts some Dominus Ambus/tarn speculation to rest. Rewind is talking about him TO MEGATRON. The one person who knows without a doubt who Tarn is. Pretty sure if he was Dominus Megatron would speak up.

Honestly? I think Megatron wants to go so he can find out if Terminus is dead

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:

Randomhero wrote:I hope this puts some Dominus Ambus/tarn speculation to rest. Rewind is talking about him TO MEGATRON. The one person who knows without a doubt who Tarn is. Pretty sure if he was Dominus Megatron would speak up.

Honestly? I think Megatron wants to go so he can find out if Terminus is dead

Naw, this is fanning the flames. Megatron konws him as Tarn, but for all we know HE does not know who's behind the mask. He only found out about the new Vos after the alternate lost light adventures, so it could be anything. Terminus would also be a cool thing for Megs

Randomhero wrote:

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:

Randomhero wrote:I hope this puts some Dominus Ambus/tarn speculation to rest. Rewind is talking about him TO MEGATRON. The one person who knows without a doubt who Tarn is. Pretty sure if he was Dominus Megatron would speak up.

Honestly? I think Megatron wants to go so he can find out if Terminus is dead

Naw, this is fanning the flames. Megatron konws him as Tarn, but for all we know HE does not know who's behind the mask. He only found out about the new Vos after the alternate lost light adventures, so it could be anything. Terminus would also be a cool thing for Megs

Megatron knows exactly who Tarn is. They're his personal kill squad, he created them. He didn't know about the new Vos because he's been absent from them since he came back after the Costa era, that's why their shrine has his -ation mode and not his stealth bomber mode.

It's like I've speculated before, there's only been one Tarn. The one we know is the first incarnation of Tarn and the original. While the DJD are a cast that replaces members and takes on the name of the previous, there's only ever been one Tarn. He has survived the entire life span of the justice division. It's why he's the leader of them and they follow his strict democratic form of leadership.