SDCC 2017: Gallery of Transformers Power of the Primes Toy Reveals: Rodimus, Starscream, Prime Masters & More #HasbroSDCC

Mmmm, know what? For all the grievances I have with him, that's a very lovely noggin sculpt on Screamer's shoulders.



And every pic I see of these guys just makes them look cooler and cooler. I'm seriously gonna have to consider picking them up.

Sabrblade wrote:

MrBlack wrote:but what the heck is up with Starscream's arms?!

DestronMirage22 wrote:and I'm glad we're getting a new deluxe Starscream. But what's up with his proportions? He looks a little weird. Maybe it's because of some new gimmick?

His robot mode (especially the shoulders) looks to be a heavily inspired by the robot mode design of his Leader class toy from 2015.

And the leader class mold was heavily inspired by the nulegend class toy from 2013. What's after the voyager? A titan class version?

Holy smoke, that is a Masterpiece-esque backpack on there on Screamer!




And people complained about the Aerialbots' undercarriage:

Kurona wrote:Mmmm, know what? For all the grievances I have with him, that's a very lovely noggin sculpt on Screamer's shoulders.

He is growing on me.

Mind you ... slap a black and purple colour scheme on him and he's going to be downright sex on legs.

Can't wait for that Starscream to be Skyquake. Turbomaster and Predator combiners, let's do this.

Sabrblade wrote: And people complained about the Aerialbots' undercarriage:

That's gotta be mistransformed. His head should at least be able to go somewhere out of sight. Otherwise that's more of a hang-glider than a jet. . .

. . . Although the thought of Starscream being stuck in robot mode and resorting to a hang glider for transportation is pretty funny to me

Boy, that Rodimus Prime got way less appealing with that underside shot. I still like the idea, but he's pretty....Star Convoy-ish.

EvasionModeBumblebee wrote:

Sabrblade wrote: And people complained about the Aerialbots' undercarriage:

That's gotta be mistransformed. His head should at least be able to go somewhere out of sight. Otherwise that's more of a hang-glider than a jet. . .

. . . Although the thought of Starscream being stuck in robot mode and resorting to a hang glider for transportation is pretty funny to me

And people bitched about non-Headmasters being Headmasters.

ScottyP wrote:Can't wait for that Starscream to be Skyquake. Turbomaster and Predator combiners, let's do this.

Stalker from Onslaughtttttttttttt

I for one actually love how beefy Starscream is here.

He will fit in my collection with TR Megatron and Soundwave who are both a bit chunky themselves and as a second in command to me Starscream should have an actual realistic reason for being second in command of the Decepticon empire or Soundwave or Shockwave since if he is a pathetic character it would either mean Megatron is an idiot or there were other second in commands before Starscream that all died.

Also that Jazz is absolutely top.

Dagon wrote:Boy, that Rodimus Prime got way less appealing with that underside shot. I still like the idea, but he's pretty....Star Convoy-ish.

Indeed, this looks almost like "Pretender" Roddy, with the truck just being an outer shell. It's almost as badly simple as the G1 toy, just with the base hanging off of the back instead...



But, who am I kidding. I'll likely get all of these too....

Agamemnon wrote:

Dagon wrote:Boy, that Rodimus Prime got way less appealing with that underside shot. I still like the idea, but he's pretty....Star Convoy-ish.

Indeed, this looks almost like "Pretender" Roddy, with the truck just being an outer shell. It's almost as badly simple as the G1 toy, just with the base hanging off of the back instead...



But, who am I kidding. I'll likely get all of these too....

Looks like he ran over himself... and got beheaded in the process.

Agamemnon wrote:

Dagon wrote:Boy, that Rodimus Prime got way less appealing with that underside shot. I still like the idea, but he's pretty....Star Convoy-ish.

Indeed, this looks almost like "Pretender" Roddy, with the truck just being an outer shell. It's almost as badly simple as the G1 toy, just with the base hanging off of the back instead...



But, who am I kidding. I'll likely get all of these too....

Woah, you're right. Like the Mega Pretenders.

Wait, wait, everybody stop.


Is that...



L...l...light piping?!

Also, his car mode is absolutely gorgeous. I'd love to have a sideswipe out of him.

Dagon wrote:

Agamemnon wrote:

Dagon wrote:Boy, that Rodimus Prime got way less appealing with that underside shot. I still like the idea, but he's pretty....Star Convoy-ish.

Indeed, this looks almost like "Pretender" Roddy, with the truck just being an outer shell. It's almost as badly simple as the G1 toy, just with the base hanging off of the back instead...



But, who am I kidding. I'll likely get all of these too....

Woah, you're right. Like the Mega Pretenders.

Quick! Someone please digibash Rodimus into Roadhugger and send it to Thew!

Does JAzz look like he has a combiner peg too? If you look under the hood chest in the front views, it looks like there may be one. Also, the back of the car/bottoms of the feet has the hand-foot gun peg hole.....

Burn wrote:

ScottyP wrote:Can't wait for that Starscream to be Skyquake. Turbomaster and Predator combiners, let's do this.

Stalker from Onslaughtttttttttttt

Bring it. Thunderclash torso from nothing, give him a new mold. Jazz being an extremely obvious "pretool" for Boss spurned these thoughts.

ScottyP wrote:

Burn wrote:

ScottyP wrote:Can't wait for that Starscream to be Skyquake. Turbomaster and Predator combiners, let's do this.

Stalker from Onslaughtttttttttttt

Bring it. Thunderclash torso from nothing, give him a new mold. Jazz being an extremely obvious "pretool" for Boss spurned these thoughts.

If Stalker isn't worthy of a new mold than neither is Thunderclash.

Pass:
Beachcomber

Maybe:
Dreadwind
Darkwing Duck
Starscream

Want:
Jazz
Rodimus Prime
Liege Maximo

Dagon wrote:Does JAzz look like he has a combiner peg too? If you look under the hood chest in the front views, it looks like there may be one. Also, the back of the car/bottoms of the feet has the hand-foot gun peg hole.....

I was thinking that too. Might just be coincidental detailing, but it would get my hopes up quite a bit...

Kurona wrote:

Dagon wrote:Does JAzz look like he has a combiner peg too? If you look under the hood chest in the front views, it looks like there may be one. Also, the back of the car/bottoms of the feet has the hand-foot gun peg hole.....

I was thinking that too. Might just be coincidental detailing, but it would get my hopes up quite a bit...

Sure. But wasn't there some report a while back that POTP was going to be, not a continuation, but like a unifying line for the previous two? We already see that the Titanmaster concept is being carried over, and we've got CW molds in the Wind/Wing team.

I don't know. Just something I saw, and it got me thinking. Time will tell, of course.

Burn wrote:The problem with Hot Rod combining with a trailer to become Rodimus Prime is he still looks like Hot Rod but with a big useless backpack.

I wish they would have gone the Ultra Magnus/PM Prime route, or a giant version of the Titanium figure, where the entire vehicle transforms into the robot mode and nothing has to be attached/detached during transformation. This would have made Rodimus an entirely separate character from Hot Rod as the Hot Rod figure wouldn't have been used at all.

Dagon wrote:

Kurona wrote:

Dagon wrote:Does JAzz look like he has a combiner peg too? If you look under the hood chest in the front views, it looks like there may be one. Also, the back of the car/bottoms of the feet has the hand-foot gun peg hole.....

I was thinking that too. Might just be coincidental detailing, but it would get my hopes up quite a bit...

Sure. But wasn't there some report a while back that POTP was going to be, not a continuation, but like a unifying line for the previous two? We already see that the Titanmaster concept is being carried over, and we've got CW molds in the Wind/Wing team.

I don't know. Just something I saw, and it got me thinking. Time will tell, of course.

Something like that -- and personally, I love what I see so far. I think it's hecking awesome that we're getting more options to mess around with our previous CW and TR toys -- I personally started getting back into collecting with CW so it's especially great for me




Also... just saying, but I totally called that the Takara Legends Targetmasters weren't a preview of this line's theme

Bronzewolf wrote:Wait, wait, everybody stop.

Jazz also has the Combiner wars HFG peg in his car's bum hole.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Burn wrote:The problem with Hot Rod combining with a trailer to become Rodimus Prime is he still looks like Hot Rod but with a big useless backpack.

I wish they would have gone the Ultra Magnus/PM Prime route, or a giant version of the Titanium figure, where the entire vehicle transforms into the robot mode and nothing has to be attached/detached during transformation. This would have made Rodimus an entirely separate character from Hot Rod as the Hot Rod figure wouldn't have been used at all.

Exactly. It's just Hot Rod with a trailer boost. Not exactly an "evolved" character.

Does anybody else notice that Jazz's vehicle mode kinda looks like Braver, the left leg of the Road Caesar combiner from Transformers Victory? (Also known as the Motorvator Lightspeed to the European G1 fans)

Deadput wrote:

Bronzewolf wrote:Wait, wait, everybody stop.

Jazz also has the Combiner wars HFG peg in his car's bum hole.

Hold, on, you mean Jazz is a Combiner Wars compatible?

Albatross250 wrote:

Deadput wrote:

Bronzewolf wrote:Wait, wait, everybody stop.

Jazz also has the Combiner wars HFG peg in his car's bum hole.

Hold, on, you mean Jazz is a Combiner Wars compatible?

Yeah. He has a combiner port on him as well.

For those who's wondering about Darkwing and Dreadwing
they can merge in jet modes like the old G1 themselves


What bugs me is about their Combiner ports, and how much retooling will it take from it

Jazz's combiner peg is a bit hard to see in bot mode (which, let's face it, is kind of awesome -- it's really nice to for once get a combiner component that doesn't show off its combining). So here's an under-the-table shot from the gallery to make it clear for everyone!

Anyone thinking about Animated Starscream for this mold?

Kurona wrote:Jazz's combiner peg is a bit hard to see in bot mode (which, let's face it, is kind of awesome -- it's really nice to for once get a combiner component that doesn't show off its combining). So here's an under-the-table shot from the gallery to make it clear for everyone!

Well then... does he turn into an Arm or a Leg?

I don't think Jazz looks all that great. Good enough to pick up if it actually shows up locally, maybe, but not to make a special online order if it comes to that. RTS Jazz better, IMO.

Somebody please tell me Jazz and the jets have HFGs or something! Especially the jets, since they're using CW molds and wouldn't look half bad as part of Galvatronus. Please don't make this like Botcon Terrorsaur.

...I just had a thought. Are they maybe using CW-style attachments to connect the Deluxe portions of the Leader-class figures to the "suit" parts, and they want the carded deluxes compatible with that? If this isn't possible or has alreay been guessed, forgive me, but this thread's too big for me to go back and read it all.

Anyhow, barring that, there's no good reason not to give these combiner-compatible deluxes some kind of combiner hand and/or foot piece so they can be easily mixed in with the CW stuff, and I'll be really annoyed if they don't.

Definitely an underwhelming reveal day. Rodimus needed to be a voyager. The armor really kills the figure especially from behind ugly as hell. If they werent gonna go for a cartoon accurate transformation like Ultra Magnus, they should have done the gun platform like the G1 toy. All Jazz has going for him is no wings. But RTS jazz is way better and has a more accurate car mode. Starscream is whatever. Im not in the camp that needs voyager seekers. Im fine with them as deluxes because they are the troops. Not a fan of IDW sculpting either. Skullgrin is lame but maybe pretenders being close to human size makes more sense than what the comics did in the 80s. Dreadwing and Darkwing are pretty cool but since they were never in the cartoon, those jets I would have preferred voyager similar to the way the horrocons are going to be voyager. Its kinda hard to downsize them considering they have had voyager and ultra class figures out for years. But I do like how they look better despite the size. But the real gem of the reveals in my opinion is Beachcomber in my opinion. They knocked it out the park with him. Hopefully they give us an outback repaint of brawn and consider making a huffer/pipes that isnt a repaint of a legends prime and sports his signature hood. Also where are the Dinobots?

TFormers is reporting that Starscream has combiner ports, which is why the forearms are so huge.

http://tformers.com/sdcc-2017-power-of- ... um=twitter

Rated X wrote:Dreadwing and Darkwing are pretty cool but since they were never in the cartoon

Have you watched Masterforce?

Dagon wrote:TFormers is reporting that Starscream has combiner ports, which is why the forearms are so huge.

http://tformers.com/sdcc-2017-power-of- ... um=twitter

Prime Master compatible and Combiner Wars Compatible?
Aside from that, we need the Takara Blastoff mold (The shuttle) be released as a part of PoTP!

Any word as to whether or not dreadwind & darkwing will combinable for dreadwing?

DUDE!
So much good, bad, and ugly.

Leader Rodimus Prime look mighty sweet... from the front. But from the back, he look like a hollow shell. Is there some hidden feature yet to be revealed?

Voyager Starscream. Look great, but I fear it's one of those lazy "bot under a jet" design. Can't deny the quality of his paintjob though.

Dreadwing/Darkwing are combiner limbs! And Skullgrin is a headmaster in a tiny pretender shell! Does that mean Power of the Primes will be Combiner Wars and Titan Return plus a new twist all mashed into one line? Anyway, so much to love!

One thing that I expect is that the price will surely follow the TLK 1er line. Those figures look far more "premium" than the previous Generations ones.

Pass:
Liege Maximo: I'll stick with the T30 Skullgrin. Plus give me a real Voyager or Leader class Liege that's IDW based that can have a Tyrest remold.

Jazz: It looks lame. I'll stick with my RTS version

Maybe:
Starscream: He looks a bulky, clunky mess but if he's just mis-transformed I'll give it a chance.
Dreadwind & Darkwing: I'm just about sick of these CW Aerialbot remold's. But these aren't too bad.


Want:
Beachcomber: Honestly he's the best looking figure on the panel.
Rodimus Prime: Knew he was coming which is why I skipped TR Deluxe Hotrod.


Overall this Panel was kind of MEH! But wave 1 of TR wasn't all that great IMO either, so here's hopes that there's better to come in POTP.

Kurona wrote:Jazz's combiner peg is a bit hard to see in bot mode (which, let's face it, is kind of awesome -- it's really nice to for once get a combiner component that doesn't show off its combining).

And its the first car combiner limb to not have a fake chest. Kudos for them finally figuring that one out

Albatross250 wrote:Anyone thinking about Animated Starscream for this mold?

I think more Universe King Atlas and Universe 2.0 Silverbolt

Zeedust wrote:Somebody please tell me Jazz and the jets have HFGs or something!

They do, you can see them becoming chest armour when you go to minute 28 of the presentation

lupinesithlord wrote:Any word as to whether or not dreadwind & darkwing will combinable for dreadwing?

Yup, just scroll down the front page of the site and you should see an image of it.

And yup, those pics under the glass shelf for starscream totally reveal combiner wars ports. Well, glad to know there is a reason though I still dont like the aesthetic.

Sabrblade wrote:Alchemist Prime seems like an okay guy. He's also hinted to be the secret identity of Maccadam.

He must make delicious cookies then.

Munkky wrote:Liege Maximo - I like the Pretender Decoy Suit based on Skullgrin, though I do hope this isn't it for Liege Maximo and he gets at least a Deluxe figure as well. Same goes for the rest of the Primes.

Hope is simply undiscovered disappointment.

ExciKaiser wrote:But for a new line launch, you can't repaint 4 years old molds. It's giving a terrible message.

It's G2 launch.

The original Transformers line started in 84 as being 100% straight redecos of previously released toys with removed accessories and functionality. And look at where we are today.

Sigma Magnus wrote:

Kurona wrote:Personally I think dismissing Darkwing and Dreadwind as Aerialbot repaints prevents you from seeing the positives they do have and realising they do actually look like decent figures, but hey, I guess positivity just isn't fashionable these days.

Don't worry, you're not completely alone. I like 'em too!...could be because I don't have any variations of the Aerialbots. But still, I like them and I'll probably be adding them to my shelf.

I think what they did with those is genius. I am not a fan of needless retools and redecos but here they took the combiner port technology and adapted it to redo their G1 gimmick. I will be buying those based on that genius notion alone.

ScottyP wrote:Can't wait for that Starscream to be Skyquake. Turbomaster and Predator combiners, let's do this.

I totally got that vibe too, but thinking of King Atlas.

Also, am I the only one who finds it pretty nuts that they introduce a modernized gimick of a smaller transforming robot who turns bigger with a giant suit on.... AFTER they release Power Master Optimus?!

-Kanrabat- wrote:And Skullgrin is a headmaster in a tiny pretender shell!

Nope. What looks like Skullgrin is actually a "Prime Master" called "Liege Maximo" that hides in a "Decoy Suit".

So our hopes for a modern Pretender line is this ... yay.

Dagon wrote:TFormers is reporting that Starscream has combiner ports, which is why the forearms are so huge.

http://tformers.com/sdcc-2017-power-of- ... um=twitter

I wonder...

Voyagers: Torso (obviously)
Deluxe: Limbs (yeah)
Prime Master shells: Hands and feet?

Just thinking that Liege Maximo's Skullgrin shell sits awfully flat in weapon mode and sort of resembles a foot. I wonder if there's a flip up peg hiding underneath Maximo's head? And what if they went a step further and the combiner head was just a helmet to stick a Titan/Prime Master in?

Emerje

Burn wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:And Skullgrin is a headmaster in a tiny pretender shell!

Nope. What looks like Skullgrin is actually a "Prime Master" called "Liege Maximo" that hides in a "Decoy Suit".

So our hopes for a modern Pretender line is this ... yay.

If my eyes dosent deceives me, it's IS a tiny bot hiding in a shell. No matter what they call it.
I wonder what will be the gimmick here though.

Still, I do hope they'll make the Evil Trio this way.

-Kanrabat- wrote:DUDE!
So much good, bad, and ugly.

Leader Rodimus Prime look mighty sweet... from the front. But from the back, he look like a hollow shell. Is there some hidden feature yet to be revealed?

Voyager Starscream. Look great, but I fear it's one of those lazy "bot under a jet" design. Can't deny the quality of his paintjob though.

Dreadwing/Darkwing are combiner limbs! And Skullgrin is a headmaster in a tiny pretender shell! Does that mean Power of the Primes will be Combiner Wars and Titan Return plus a new twist all mashed into one line? Anyway, so much to love!

One thing that I expect is that the price will surely follow the TLK 1er line. Those figures look far more "premium" than the previous Generations ones.

Sorry if this dashes your hopes any bit, but, these are all hand painted prototypes made from white plastic. The siege on cybertron box set had the same thing, but the gold on metal hawk was a dull gold plastic, and Magnus prime ended up with a grey trailer and not a painted, silver one.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Burn wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:And Skullgrin is a headmaster in a tiny pretender shell!

Nope. What looks like Skullgrin is actually a "Prime Master" called "Liege Maximo" that hides in a "Decoy Suit".

So our hopes for a modern Pretender line is this ... yay.

If my eyes dosent deceives me, it's IS a tiny bot hiding in a shell. No matter what they call it.
I wonder what will be the gimmick here though.

The gimmick is the Prime Masters "power up" the bigger bots (like Hot Rod's armour into Rodimus Prime. Basically Power Masters and Head Masters).

Did you read the news or are you just looking at the pretty pictures?

Emerje wrote:
I wonder...

Voyagers: Torso (obviously)
Deluxe: Limbs (yeah)
Prime Master shells: Hands and feet?

Just thinking that Liege Maximo's Skullgrin shell sits awfully flat in weapon mode and sort of resembles a foot. I wonder if there's a flip up peg hiding underneath Maximo's head? And what if they went a step further and the combiner head was just a helmet to stick a Titan/Prime Master in?

The hands/ feet are the armour accessory that come with the deluxes. You see it in this image:





Its just the same HFG but now with an extra peg inside it to accomodate the Prime Masters.

Burn wrote:So our hopes for a modern Pretender line is this ... yay.

Or it could also be the other amazing extreme. Look at Rodimus, thats the same as a mega pretender where both parts transform.

Its about a bunch of leaders fighting for the matrix so I would be surprised if one of these isnt Thunderwing. He would be a small jet that turns into a bot with the bigger jet component becoming the bigger robot that the smaller robot would fit into.

So this line is offering us 2 possible ways to get pretenders both reworking the pretender gimmick in its own way.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Burn wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:And Skullgrin is a headmaster in a tiny pretender shell!

Nope. What looks like Skullgrin is actually a "Prime Master" called "Liege Maximo" that hides in a "Decoy Suit".

So our hopes for a modern Pretender line is this ... yay.

If my eyes dosent deceives me, it's IS a tiny bot hiding in a shell. No matter what they call it.
I wonder what will be the gimmick here though.

Still, I do hope they'll make the Evil Trio this way.

IMG_3908.JPG

I still want a real-deal Pretender Masterpiece, but I think these Prime Masters could be fun, just like the Titan Masters.

Burn wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Burn wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:And Skullgrin is a headmaster in a tiny pretender shell!

Nope. What looks like Skullgrin is actually a "Prime Master" called "Liege Maximo" that hides in a "Decoy Suit".

So our hopes for a modern Pretender line is this ... yay.

If my eyes dosent deceives me, it's IS a tiny bot hiding in a shell. No matter what they call it.
I wonder what will be the gimmick here though.

The gimmick is the Prime Masters "power up" the bigger bots (like Hot Rod's armour into Rodimus Prime. Basically Power Masters and Head Masters).

Did you read the news or are you just looking at the pretty pictures?

TBH, I just came in through the pretty pictures.

But as Will say, there is clues from Pretenders with a dash of Power Masters. That's why Rodimus Prime seem so empty from the back!
So in fact, it's the Pretender's return... It's the MEGA Pretender's return!





On a side note, G1 Sky Shadow, Y U 2000$?