Rise of the Beasts Official Bios Mention Multiverse and Time Travel

I'm honestly confused by the negativity to a movie not yet released. You go to the YT comments on these trailers (a place that platform creators will be quick to tell you is filled with negativity), and there's so much excitement. First of all, lets be honest, the '86 movie was really not the best quality, but it's remembered by how fun it was. We got burned by the live action movies, yes, but look at Bumblebee. Look at the creator's attitudes. They same to have at least understood the complaints about the robots not getting the focus. And the CGI and action look so much better via the trailers than what we've gotten before. I am so excited to see this movie, as a Beast Wars fan, as a Transformers fan. This may not be the best, but it looks like it'll at least be fun.

Looks like The Shroud is coming undone! Sorry Nexus!

Nexus Knight wrote:I'm honestly confused by the negativity to a movie not yet released. You go to the YT comments on these trailers (a place that platform creators will be quick to tell you is filled with negativity), and there's so much excitement. First of all, lets be honest, the '86 movie was really not the best quality, but it's remembered by how fun it was. We got burned by the live action movies, yes, but look at Bumblebee. Look at the creator's attitudes. They same to have at least understood the complaints about the robots not getting the focus. And the CGI and action look so much better via the trailers than what we've gotten before. I am so excited to see this movie, as a Beast Wars fan, as a Transformers fan. This may not be the best, but it looks like it'll at least be fun.

Youtube is the internet as a whole, and full of paid shills, studio employees, and bots. This forum is dedicated fans, many of whom have followed the franchise since it's beginning.

Glowing, anonymous, generic reviews on a public platform do not guarantee ticket sales and butts in theater seats or a good movie on the screen.

Interesting that the alt mode for Stratosphere is listed as the ROTF amalgamation of a few different aircraft (taken verbatim from TFWiki), whereas in ROTB he’s a C-119.

EvasionModeBumblebee wrote:Interesting that the alt mode for Stratosphere is listed as the ROTF amalgamation of a few different aircraft (taken verbatim from TFWiki), whereas in ROTB he’s a C-119.

That's why. Whoever wrote his card text just copy-pasted from the wiki.

william-james88 wrote:There's been rumblings of a live action Multiverse through rumours and wishful thinking but it's finally officially mentioned. It is part of Unicron's official bio, where he is mentioned to be the most omnipotent "force in the multiverse." The bio also mentions his intention for the Terrocons to get a key that "opens a portal in space and time".

A "multiverse" covers continuity issues caused by lazy writing. Every movie is in it's own universe, which is why they have a new origin on earth and a different history with every one.

Brokebot wrote:Youtube is the internet as a whole, and full of paid shills, studio employees, and bots. This forum is dedicated fans, many of whom have followed the franchise since it's beginning.

Glowing, anonymous, generic reviews on a public platform do not guarantee ticket sales and butts in theater seats or a good movie on the screen.

Fair on the first point, but once again... even since the beginning, it hasn't been that "good". As I pointed out, it's fun, but broken down, the cartoon and '86 movie had a lot of problems. The only good stories (not just merely fun) I've had in Transformers media are comics and about half the cartoons. Let's not pretend this "to sell toys" franchise has been good. With that said... I'm still excited.

Sidebar: My main point was pointing out the overwhelming negativity. It seems to be a reoccurring theme for new stuff on this site and it's rather depressing, tbh.

Nexus Knight wrote:

Brokebot wrote:Youtube is the internet as a whole, and full of paid shills, studio employees, and bots. This forum is dedicated fans, many of whom have followed the franchise since it's beginning.

Glowing, anonymous, generic reviews on a public platform do not guarantee ticket sales and butts in theater seats or a good movie on the screen.

Fair on the first point, but once again... even since the beginning, it hasn't been that "good". As I pointed out, it's fun, but broken down, the cartoon and '86 movie had a lot of problems. The only good stories (not just merely fun) I've had in Transformers media are comics and about half the cartoons. Let's not pretend this "to sell toys" franchise has been good. With that said... I'm still excited.

Sidebar: My main point was pointing out the overwhelming negativity. It seems to be a reoccurring theme for new stuff on this site and it's rather depressing, tbh.

Lord, I loved the original cartoon in spite of it's contradictions back in the day, but I can barely make it through an episode now without some level of cringe. I actually enjoyed the first movie, but it quickly spiraled downhill thereafter. It shows how a critical eye comes with age, I suppose.

A "multiverse" covers continuity issues caused by lazy writing. Every movie is in it's own universe, which is why they have a new origin on earth and a different history with every one.

The 'multiverse' concept has become a crutch used by lazy writers when they run out of ideas. Whenever a new writer comes into a franchise and wants to put 'their stamp' on it, they fall into this gimmick as a cheap way to ret-con that franchise. Instead of conforming to the stories as they have already been told, they merely write what they think is cool, then bat aside any complaints about continuity by saying 'multiverse!'

It's like every hack writer in Hollywood has become Lucy Lawless in the "Collector" episode of the Simpsons. "Uh - yeah. Well - whenever you notice anything like that... a, uh.... multiverse did it!"

"But in the previous movie, they CLEARLY said..."

"MULTIVERSE!!!"

DeathReviews wrote:

A "multiverse" covers continuity issues caused by lazy writing. Every movie is in it's own universe, which is why they have a new origin on earth and a different history with every one.

The 'multiverse' concept has become a crutch used by lazy writers when they run out of ideas. Whenever a new writer comes into a franchise and wants to put 'their stamp' on it, they fall into this gimmick as a cheap way to ret-con that franchise. Instead of conforming to the stories as they have already been told, they merely write what they think is cool, then bat aside any complaints about continuity by saying 'multiverse!'

It's like every hack writer in Hollywood has become Lucy Lawless in the "Collector" episode of the Simpsons. "Uh - yeah. Well - whenever you notice anything like that... a, uh.... multiverse did it!"

"But in the previous movie, they CLEARLY said..."

"MULTIVERSE!!!"

So what you're saying is, the G1 cartoon contradicted the G1 Marvel comics because the cartoon was made by "lazy writers" who came "into a franchise" and wanted "to put 'their stamp' on it" instead of "conforming to the stories as they have already been told" in the G1 Marvel comics, which both preceded the cartoon by four months and established the foundation that all Transformers fiction was built upon.

Sabrblade wrote:

DeathReviews wrote:

A "multiverse" covers continuity issues caused by lazy writing. Every movie is in it's own universe, which is why they have a new origin on earth and a different history with every one.

The 'multiverse' concept has become a crutch used by lazy writers when they run out of ideas. Whenever a new writer comes into a franchise and wants to put 'their stamp' on it, they fall into this gimmick as a cheap way to ret-con that franchise. Instead of conforming to the stories as they have already been told, they merely write what they think is cool, then bat aside any complaints about continuity by saying 'multiverse!'

It's like every hack writer in Hollywood has become Lucy Lawless in the "Collector" episode of the Simpsons. "Uh - yeah. Well - whenever you notice anything like that... a, uh.... multiverse did it!"

"But in the previous movie, they CLEARLY said..."

"MULTIVERSE!!!"

So what you're saying is, the G1 cartoon contradicted the G1 Marvel comics because the cartoon was made by "lazy writers" who came "into a franchise" and wanted "to put 'their stamp' on it" instead of "conforming to the stories as they have already been told" in the G1 Marvel comics, which both preceded the cartoon by four months and established the foundation that all Transformers fiction was built upon.

Yes, and no. The continuity (such as it is) of the G1 cartoon and movie should be its own self contained thing. The continuity as presented in the Marvel comics should be its own self-contained thing. So should the Bay movies. There's no need to put every transformers iteration into a blender, call it the multi-verse, and turn it into a frankenstein's monster. Which is usually what happens whenever writers give up on continuity and resort to the multiverse as a cheap gimmick to smorgasboard bits and pieces of things they liked from previous shows, and shoehorn them into 'their interpretation' of it.

Speaking of multiverses, I'd love to see a story where Baytimus goes to the G1verse, then start mercilessly murdering and massacring every Decepticons on sight, like a bloodthirsty psychopath.

Seeing the horror in the face of both and who withness the carnage would be quite entertaining.

i wonder if the the badguys win. unicron destroys the earth, goes into another alternate universe and gets stuck in the earth or something.

The marketing for this movie has been really good, and I enjoy the bio cards, even if we have some TFwiki copy/paste.

It also looks like Wheeljack may be absent from the opening, and only when they go south does he join the crew.

also like the implication that Scourge as he looks right now is the result of taking spare parts and replacing lost limbs, etc. with other beings parts. A true piecemeal of a physical being

After reading Mirage’s bio, I can totally understand why he would go on a joy ride the moment a human sat in his driver seat, being essentially trapped in a parking garage for the foreseeable future would have driven anyone crazy.

Sabrblade wrote:

DeathReviews wrote:

A "multiverse" covers continuity issues caused by lazy writing. Every movie is in it's own universe, which is why they have a new origin on earth and a different history with every one.

The 'multiverse' concept has become a crutch used by lazy writers when they run out of ideas. Whenever a new writer comes into a franchise and wants to put 'their stamp' on it, they fall into this gimmick as a cheap way to ret-con that franchise. Instead of conforming to the stories as they have already been told, they merely write what they think is cool, then bat aside any complaints about continuity by saying 'multiverse!'

It's like every hack writer in Hollywood has become Lucy Lawless in the "Collector" episode of the Simpsons. "Uh - yeah. Well - whenever you notice anything like that... a, uh.... multiverse did it!"

"But in the previous movie, they CLEARLY said..."

"MULTIVERSE!!!"

So what you're saying is, the G1 cartoon contradicted the G1 Marvel comics because the cartoon was made by "lazy writers" who came "into a franchise" and wanted "to put 'their stamp' on it" instead of "conforming to the stories as they have already been told" in the G1 Marvel comics, which both preceded the cartoon by four months and established the foundation that all Transformers fiction was built upon.

That's A new level of petty. Even for you. Comparing the situation between 2 continuities that were released literally months apart to a situation between continuities that took over a decade to come together is a bit of a stretch.

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:also like the implication that Scourge as he looks right now is the result of taking spare parts and replacing lost limbs, etc. with other beings parts. A true piecemeal of a physical being

Soooo...were they copying Mandroid's schtick? Or vice versa, since RotB was delayed? Regardless, nice to have a few synergistic parallels with the current TF cartoon.

Bumblevivisector wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:also like the implication that Scourge as he looks right now is the result of taking spare parts and replacing lost limbs, etc. with other beings parts. A true piecemeal of a physical being

Soooo...were they copying Mandroid's schtick? Or vice versa, since RotB was delayed? Regardless, nice to have a few synergistic parallels with the current TF cartoon.

I'm not really sure if anyone is really copying anyone.

Mandroid is scavenging Cybertronian parts to build himself from human to a superior being to wipe them out and save Earth from all Transformers.

Scourge was a bot who as time has gone on has suffered grievous injuries in the names of his goals and has used other deceased beings to rebuild himself, or even improve himself. He is sort of a mix between early IDW Megatron, Animated Lockdown, and G1 Galvatron (reformed by Unicron) it seems

While it has been said in the past, it does look like this new Transformers film is finally focusing mostly on robots. At least in the marketing, with this latest tv spot being mostly shots of the robots. And the robots transforming, no less, which is significant since previous films were criticized for obscuring and limiting transformations. In this new tv spot below, we see new shots of Scourge Transforming across rooftops and a big money shot of Mirage Transforming as he is creating holograms of his robot mode.

Are you hyped?

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:I'm not really sure if anyone is really copying anyone.

Except this stretch of the the thread was largely about the bio authors copying stuff from TFWiki, which is why I threw that out there.

william-james88 wrote:Are you hyped?

Nope.

Keep the expectations low, avoids disappointment, may result in pleasant surprise.

Burn wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Are you hyped?

Nope.

Keep the expectations low, avoids disappointment, may result in pleasant surprise.

Best way to deal with it.

ZeroWolf wrote:

Burn wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Are you hyped?

Nope.

Keep the expectations low, avoids disappointment, may result in pleasant surprise.

Best way to deal with it.

That's what I did for the recent D&D movie. My expectations were rock bottom.
I just saw it.
And ironically, it's the movie I had the most fun with this year!

ZeroWolf wrote:

Burn wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Are you hyped?

Nope.

Keep the expectations low, avoids disappointment, may result in pleasant surprise.

Best way to deal with it.

Pretty much.

Personally I am pretty hyped for Mirage and Primal in particular

The rumors persist that Scourge is a possessed Optimus Prime from an alternate universe. And that last line that Unicron is partial to possessing his victims....foreboding or foreshadowing?

First-Aid wrote:The rumors persist that Scourge is a possessed Optimus Prime from an alternate universe. And that last line that Unicron is partial to possessing his victims....foreboding or foreshadowing?

I feel like it just means there may a be point in the movie where Unicron uses Scourge as a means to interact with "lesser beings" like the Autobots and Maximals, like how he spoke through Sideways in the Armada cartoon, briefly possessed Megatron in the final Season 1 episode of Prime, and (for a more obscure example) had his Dark Essence possess Windrazor for a bit in the Beast Wars storyline Reaching the Omega Point.

I'm hyped to see the Autobots and Maximals together. They did an great job with the designs and can't wait to see them in motion.

I'm not worried about the time travel being oversaturated. It's about the execution, Transformers already had time travel stories before.

ZeroWolf wrote:

Burn wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Are you hyped?

Nope.

Keep the expectations low, avoids disappointment, may result in pleasant surprise.

Best way to deal with it.

I do it all the time with movies and life, seems to work fine for me too.

Cyber Bishop wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

Burn wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Are you hyped?

Nope.

Keep the expectations low, avoids disappointment, may result in pleasant surprise.

Best way to deal with it.

I do it all the time with movies and life, seems to work fine for me too.

Same for me personally.

griftimus prime wrote:i wonder if the the badguys win. unicron destroys the earth, goes into another alternate universe and gets stuck in the earth or something.

I doubt it tbh, because this is the second movie in a trilogy. But hey what do I know lol.

alphatron10 wrote:

griftimus prime wrote:i wonder if the the badguys win. unicron destroys the earth, goes into another alternate universe and gets stuck in the earth or something.

I doubt it tbh, because this is the second movie in a trilogy. But hey what do I know lol.

This is said to be the first film in a new trilogy. BB movie seems to be serving as a general purpose prequel film.

Paramount and Hasbro are going all out with what they are ready to show us leading to the release of the Rise of the Beasts film. So anyone wanting to avoid most spoilers won't have a chance unless they stay away from any site discussing the film. Case in point, we have a brand new TV Spot below that shows us more bot shots. And not just that, but we see what is probably a new Maximal. While it is also a gorilla, it doesn't share the same details as Optimus Primal. A recent list of movie characters for foreign dubbing casts mentioned Apelink as a character. This may be Apelink. We also have a great shot of Optimus Prime transforming and a good look at Scourge in robot mode before taking on the Peterbilt alt mode. So this is a look at his "Cybertronian" form.

Enjoy!

Even if they are not part of the main cast, it would be cool to see references to other BEast Wars characters.

TulioDude wrote:Even if they are not part of the main cast, it would be cool to see references to other BEast Wars characters.

I'm hoping for an Easter egg or two. I'm not expecting full cameos mind.

Personally I'm hoping for some kind of stinger that references Beast Wars Megatron.

APELINK? The exclusive from the only BotCon I actually made it to?

Well slag, now they're getting my hopes up that Shokaract and his heralds will figure in somehow!

I absolutely hate Airazor's voice from that one trailer. Anyone else? Why is it so bad?

I donno - I kinda think that other ape design looks beefier and cooler...

The name is Apelinq, with a Q.

Considering the movie makers near complete disregard for most Transformers alt modes, the other gorilla is actually Rattrap.

Brokebot wrote:Considering the movie makers near complete disregard for most Transformers alt modes, the other gorilla is actually Rattrap.

Given that the alt modes of the Maximals in this movie reflect those of their namesakes in Beast Wars this comment seems silly.

Just sayin'

By this rate, we'll see all the key scenes of the Rise of the Beasts film before the movie comes out as Paramount is holding nothing back in the marketing (and I don't blame them, competition at the cineplex will be fierce). In this latest TV spot, we have a shot of Optimus Primal talking while Optimus Prime an Stratosphere are in the background in their robot modes. Now we knew Stratosphere had a voice actor and we had seen his bot mode in promotional material, but we didn't know if we'd actually see him as a character in bot mode in the film. And now we know that we will. This is a big contrast to similar elements we saw in The Last Knight where the submarine that transported Cade was said to be a Transformer but never transformed.

There is other new footage in the clip, including a scene with Noah's little brother and Mirage (looks like Pete Davidson is getting a lot of lines). You can see the tv spot below.

Burn wrote:

Brokebot wrote:Considering the movie makers near complete disregard for most Transformers alt modes, the other gorilla is actually Rattrap.

Given that the alt modes of the Maximals in this movie reflect those of their namesakes in Beast Wars this comment seems silly.

Just sayin'

Considering it was intended as a joke, and most jokes are by definition silly, you almost got it there, Sheldon Cooper.

Brokebot wrote:

Burn wrote:

Brokebot wrote:Considering the movie makers near complete disregard for most Transformers alt modes, the other gorilla is actually Rattrap.

Given that the alt modes of the Maximals in this movie reflect those of their namesakes in Beast Wars this comment seems silly.

Just sayin'

Considering it was intended as a joke, and most jokes are by definition silly, you almost got it there, Sheldon Cooper.

I laughed.

Anyway, having thought about it some, I'm relegating the Bayverse to the level of the Fast and Furious franchise. I enjoyed the 1st set of movies, even got them on DVD, had fun with the middle few, and will most likely disregard the rest, as the dive in quality storytelling is insurmountable by even the best action scenes. The Transformers/cars do look pretty good though.

Burn wrote:

Brokebot wrote:Considering the movie makers near complete disregard for most Transformers alt modes, the other gorilla is actually Rattrap.

Given that the alt modes of the Maximals in this movie reflect those of their namesakes in Beast Wars this comment seems silly.

Just sayin'

I agree. All of the Beast Wars characters seen pretty inspired of their season 1 designs, with Cheetor being the one that went into a more original rendition.

TulioDude wrote:

Burn wrote:

Brokebot wrote:Considering the movie makers near complete disregard for most Transformers alt modes, the other gorilla is actually Rattrap.

Given that the alt modes of the Maximals in this movie reflect those of their namesakes in Beast Wars this comment seems silly.

Just sayin'

I agree. All of the Beast Wars characters seen pretty inspired of their season 1 designs, with Cheetor being the one that went into a more original rendition.

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I'm going to guess that if that IS Apelinq, or some other character (the other ape I can think of is Primal Prime), it'll be of a similar vain to Cliffjumper in the Bumblebee movie, to introduce the audience to the protagonist.He or she will likely confront or be confronted by Scourge. Scourge may make some vague or direct reference to his plans or his master's plans, they fight, and Scourge will kill or incapacitate "Apelinq" to show us what kind of threat he poses to the Autobots. But that's just a theory.

Brokebot wrote:

Burn wrote:

Brokebot wrote:Considering the movie makers near complete disregard for most Transformers alt modes, the other gorilla is actually Rattrap.

Given that the alt modes of the Maximals in this movie reflect those of their namesakes in Beast Wars this comment seems silly.

Just sayin'

Considering it was intended as a joke, and most jokes are by definition silly, you almost got it there, Sheldon Cooper.

Oh Howard ... did you not know that it's hard to tell the tone of a post through written word? Perhaps using an emoji like this next time to help convey your message?

Plus, a lot of your opinions are of the negative nature so what else was I supposed to interpret it as?

I am getting really hyped for this movie, more so now than ever.

i really think Primal is going to be the star of the movie right now, him and Mirage. They are shaping up to be super cool.

Oh! So Snapchat added a filter to turn your pets into Optimus Prime last weekend. My 2 dogs loved it