Report from on set of Transformers 7 describes a Job Interview / Meeting scene for Noah

This is cool and all, but will you Seibertron guys @ news put stuff please under spoilers or some devision where I don't get to see all things TF7 for 12 straight months?

noctorro wrote:This is cool and all, but will you Seibertron guys @ news put stuff please under spoilers or some devision where I don't get to see all things TF7 for 12 straight months?

It's a news site, from here on out we will simply report everything about the film and we can't determine what is a spoiler for you or not. So be prepared for seeing everything regarding this movie. If we get an image of unicron from a TF7 concept art or storyboard or whatever, we sill definitely share it here on the site with no spoiler warning.

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Ptotoman posted an image taken in Montreal of some Porches. Those present at the news conference for Transformers 7 Rise of the Beasts have said that the cars in this image look exactly like what was shown to them when Mirage was introduced. That's right, Mirage, not Jazz. And that's exactly what Protoman states in the Tweet that included this image.

While people are hopeful that it means that Hasbro got the Porche license for toys, please remember that movie licenses and toy licenses are independent. As we saw with Dino (the previous "Mirage), the Ferrari License that was obtained for the film did not translate to a Ferrari License for toys.

Looking nice.
I hope they keep Mirage a separate character from Dino.

Day 555 of waiting for Transformers Armada Masterpiece news.

EDIT:Dang,double post

william-james88 wrote:That's right, Mirage, not Jazz.

I guess they don't want to use,for now,characters that were on the original 2007 film.

TulioDude wrote:EDIT:Dang,double post

william-james88 wrote:That's right, Mirage, not Jazz.

I guess they don't want to use,for now,characters that were on the original 2007 film.

That's pretty much it, so it won't interfere with the plot of the 07 film

I'm incredibly confused over how to feel about this. I'm excited because Bumblebee was good but I have a sense of dread that it's going to go back to how the bayformers style of movies and hearing classic character names attached to completely different alt-modes is adding to the bad feels.

If Mirage is going to be a "shapeshifter" and take on other altmode forms anyways I feel like the complaints about him being a Porche is kinda moot even if it ends up being his main alt mode.

Plus we don't know what he will look like in robot mode, frankly when it comes to making a character look classic it's probably preferable if the focus is on the robot mode and general color scheme than the vehicle mode, I mean heck this happens with most characters all the time in the franchise.

The colors invoke Mirage well enough just as much as they would with Jazz, the two of them did both have white/blue in the first place, It's not like G1 Porche Jazz ever had this car's color layout either, the only direct things in common so far is that they are both Porche cars.


Mirage being a Porche here doesn't suddenly mean that Jazz as a Porche can't show up in a future movie which is also presuming Jazz isn't in this movie in the first place (I don't think we know either way) since it's not like we got the listing of the entire cast, we only have 4 announced Autobots (not including Maximals) so far and I find it unlikely that it's just going to be the 4 of them.

Maybe he'll get ripped in half too....
As long as they don't depict him ridiculously like they did in 2007. "Yo yo yo, this be lookin' like a good place to crash!"

Somehow, even when Bay was depicting Autobots with the most obnoxious, over-the-top, stereotypical personalities, they STILL managed to strip them of any uniqueness or genuine character.

DeathReviews wrote:Maybe he'll get ripped in half too....

Hey if he is at least an actual character like the character is so far to be described as then him dying is probably fine enough as long as it's a good death with an actual purpose in the film, when it comes to violent action movies like this not every character can make it out especially since reboot or not this will be several character's debut film. (Although that depends if Mirage is still Dino or not which would also presume this isn't part of a reboot anyways)


(Although I will give 2007 Jazz some credit, he at least had a tad of personality in the few lines he had as well as having some physical expression with his body language, overall I find him to be one of the most faithful Bay-film versions in comparison to the G1 counterpart, still a tad underused in 2007.)

I really wish they'd just come up with new names rather than use old ones if the model isn't going to be close to the original presentation (doesn't have to be exact)- Exceptions being Megatron cause no way a transforming toy gun gets sold in the US anymore and characters like Prime and Bumble Bee that have had so many different iterations now that for someone that version is their version. Even "To keep the trademark" is hollow given there is a Mirage exclusive coming out through Amazon which should satisfy trademark law.

I love G1, grew up with it, but honestly start making some new stuff already, or at least revisit stuff that hasn't been done to death in the last 10 years, which hopefully the Beast stuff in this film does.

-Still want some more Throttlebots though- Freeway has only had the one figure ever, or how about Searchlight who is in the same boat but is not a jerk.

Deadput wrote:Although that depends if Mirage is still Dino or not which would also presume this isn't part of a reboot anyways

At some point during these -prequel/reboot/TF continuity hasn't mattered ever anyway, so whatever they are going to be called- they are going to have to have everyone but Bumblebee go back to space. So maybe a line that Mirage is returning to his home planet at the end of the film?

Well, at least they are consistent with just assigning names to characters at random.

Fires_Of_Inferno wrote:I'm incredibly confused over how to feel about this. I'm excited because Bumblebee was good but I have a sense of dread that it's going to go back to how the bayformers style of movies and hearing classic character names attached to completely different alt-modes is adding to the bad feels.

Quoted for truth.
Bumblebee was a nice, simple little movie.
Now I'm afraid we're headed back to the "throw everything on the screen all at once" style of film making.

Betenoire wrote:

Deadput wrote:Although that depends if Mirage is still Dino or not which would also presume this isn't part of a reboot anyways

At some point during these -prequel/reboot/TF continuity hasn't mattered ever anyway, so whatever they are going to be called- they are going to have to have everyone but Bumblebee go back to space. So maybe a line that Mirage is returning to his home planet at the end of the film?

Yeah continuity is dubious in these films but that's not really the point.

Regardless I mean, let's say Dino from DOTM and Mirage in ROTB are the same guy, DOTM never explains where the guy even comes from since he's just with the Autobots at the start of the film same with Que and Brains (However for the Wreckers it's explained in film that they came to Earth with the ROTF crew which probably means they were kept off the field the whole time)

So with that logic Mirage/Dino wouldn't even have to leave the planet at all since only the 2007 crew (Optimus, Jazz, Ratchet, Ironhide) and the ROTF crew (Sideswipe, Jolt, Arcee, Skids, Mudflap, and according to DOTM the Wreckers) are ever shown/mentioned to arrive on Earth at a certain point.

Although by this logic it means that Optimus and Arcee would have to leave Earth at some point, although in Arcee's case maybe she stayed on Earth as well since the Xantium crew were not mentioned by name outside of the Wreckers specifically and "second wave of Autobots".

cruizerdave wrote:Well, at least they are consistent with just assigning names to characters at random.

A franchise tradition that's happened since Beast Wars and even before that with the toylines.

Going with Mirage specifically:

This is Mirage (Ok he's actually relatively similar to G1 Mirage)

This is also Mirage, they are a Minicon



This is also Mirage, he's a Decepticon boat



It's just a name, I don't see why Transformers names can only be limited to one version of a character.

cruizerdave wrote:Now I'm afraid we're headed back to the "throw everything on the screen all at once" style of film making.

I am sure with 5 factions battling it out, it will be a concise simple movie

Deadput wrote:Although by this logic it means that Optimus and Arcee would have to leave Earth at some point, although in Arcee's case maybe she stayed on Earth as well since the Xantium crew were not mentioned by name outside of the Wreckers specifically and "second wave of Autobots".

This was all explained away already by the producer of these actual films where someone asked him the question about how Optimus could be on earth in Bumblebee and then back again in the 2007 movie.

https://www.seibertron.com/transformers ... oot/42709/

And I really don't get any talk of continuity. Most TF fans have been criticizing the Bay films for being garbage and having terrible continuity. So now to say that things don't add up to Bay's previous films or trying to find links implies that there is a continuity there and that is giving Bay waaaay too much credit. It was always nonsense and they are continuing this trend with Transformers 7. The Bayverse is not dead, Bayverse Bee is still around with his Bayverse head and Bayverse voice and camaro alt mode. But Bumblebee was good and this film being part of the Bayverse has nothing to do with how good or bad this film might be. Just not sure about how it won't be a giant clusterf*ck.

I mean...this is coming from Lorenzo

A guy who is known to lie from time to time about the details around the films or just talks like he doesn't know what he's talking about.

Funny enough he's the only one who is saying it's a full on prequel, the director of the film itself is more so saying that the film is it's own thing. (But that was more so about standing on it's own as a film rather then continuity)

Deadput wrote:I mean...this is coming from Lorenzo

A guy who is known to lie from time to time about the details around the films or just talks like he doesn't know what he's talking about.

Funny enough he's the only one who is saying it's a full on prequel, the director of the film itself is more so saying that the film is it's own thing. (But that was more so about standing on it's own as a film rather then continuity)

I am just reporting the news. If paramount drops the numbering and says that they are starting a completely new film series unrelated to Bayverse than I will go with that. Till then, I'll stick with the facts and report things as they are. Which in this case is frustratingly and purposefully ambiguous.
But really, none of this matters, it never did. let's just treat and judge this movie on it's own as we have done for the other films.

I mean yeah, I don't care much either way outside of hoping it's a good film mainly, if it's part of the Bayverse it's fine it's just that I find it a bit of a wasted opportunity for a fresh start as well as creatively limiting for the team for future movies and who they can use but if they can make a good film either way that would be nice.

I just don't take what Lorenzo says "literally" as anything more then his own opinion/interpretation of the films.

Deadput wrote:
Regardless I mean, let's say Dino from DOTM and Mirage in ROTB are the same guy, DOTM never explains where the guy even comes from since he's just with the Autobots at the start of the film same with Que and Brains (However for the Wreckers it's explained in film that they came to Earth with the ROTF crew which probably means they were kept off the field the whole time)

TLK never explained how Galvatron became Megatron again. I'm going to guess if neither the screen writers nor studio cared enough to explain that one, Dino/Mirage is probably not high on the list of needing to be stated, as outside the core base few probably even will notice. And the ROF writers forgot Blackout was dead, so here is Grindor whose screen time mostly amounts to being Kurgan'd by Prime's Conner MacLeod. macleod

So like the G1 show, sometime bots just show up and then disappear and no one seems to notice or care except the people who think the toys are cool.

Betenoire wrote:I

I love G1, grew up with it, but honestly start making some new stuff already, or at least revisit stuff that hasn't been done to death in the last 10 years, which hopefully the Beast stuff in this film does.

I understand how you feel and to give HasTak/Paramount/the movie crew credit,they have show ability to create new stuff or reinvent characters.
From 2007 with Barricade and Blackout to Bumblebee with Shatter and Dropkick.

Betenoire wrote:I love G1, grew up with it, but honestly start making some new stuff already, or at least revisit stuff that hasn't been done to death in the last 10 years, which hopefully the Beast stuff in this film does.

It's going to be real hard for them to bring me back to the live action movies after The Last Knight & Bumblebee. This new movie sounds like the worst of them all. I won't judge it until I see it but so far it doesn't sound appealing to me at all.

Abominus is my favorite combiner so that alone should give you a pretty good idea of how I feel.

And Mirage is Jazz. Why? Just why? It makes no sense. Just reboot the entire franchise & call the Porsche JAZZ. It's really not that difficult. This series would be super easy to reboot because none of the movies had any continuity anyway.

Coolest car, coolest color... I'm looking forward to watch what Mirage is capable of!

Nemesis Reformatted wrote:It's going to be real hard for them to bring me back to the live action movies after The Last Knight & Bumblebee. This new movie sounds like the worst of them all. I won't judge it until I see it but so far it doesn't sound appealing to me at all.

Sounds like you already made up your mind to see it, and that's all Paramount cares about. Getting you to buy a movie ticket. I'm sure this movie will appeal to enough people who will see it to deem it at least a minor success, even if it most likely ends up being a POS.

As for this "Mirage" having Jazz's alt mode and maybe personality, with what's been said and who the director is, I wouldn't be surprised if even Optimus had 07 Jazz's personality.

Nemesis Reformatted wrote:It's going to be real hard for them to bring me back to the live action movies after The Last Knight & Bumblebee. This new movie sounds like the worst of them all. I won't judge it until I see it but so far it doesn't sound appealing to me at all.

Abominus is my favorite combiner so that alone should give you a pretty good idea of how I feel.

And Mirage is Jazz. Why? Just why? It makes no sense. Just reboot the entire franchise & call the Porsche JAZZ. It's really not that difficult. This series would be super easy to reboot because none of the movies had any continuity anyway.

TF7 is set in the Nineties: in TF2007, Jazz is shown to come from space so in the 90s He couldn't be on Earth already. They're trying to give a conitnuity (which is impossible, I tihink)

Rodimus Prime wrote:As for this "Mirage" having Jazz's alt mode and maybe personality, with what's been said and who the director is, I wouldn't be surprised if even Optimus had 07 Jazz's personality.

Mirage was described as a shapeshifter who would take on multiple alt modes and has a rogue personality similar to Crosshairs from AOE.

Because boy that sounds just like good ol Jazz the hip hop loving and loyal Autobot which even at least the 2007 tried to invoke with what moments he had.

The personality sounds more like a Mirage than Jazz, we don't know what the robot mode looks like which for all we know might look a tad like classic Mirage or hey maybe it doesn't look like either of them.

Barricade.it wrote:TF7 is set in the Nineties: in TF2007, Jazz is shown to come from space so in the 90s He couldn't be on Earth already. They're trying to give a conitnuity (which is impossible, I tihink)

The problem with that logic is that Optimus is on Earth too, literally any other Autobot from previous movies could be here and all they would have to do is leave the planet prior to the events of 2007.

Deadput wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:As for this "Mirage" having Jazz's alt mode and maybe personality, with what's been said and who the director is, I wouldn't be surprised if even Optimus had 07 Jazz's personality.

Mirage was described as a shapeshifter who would take on multiple alt modes and has a rogue personality similar to Crosshairs from AOE.

Because boy that sounds just like good ol Jazz the hip hop loving and loyal Autobot which even at least the 2007 tried to invoke with what moments he had.

I didn't say it was fact, I was simply speculating. I have no faith whatsoever in this new movie, whatever tiny hope I had for this version of the franchise died with the Bumblebee movie.

Just got to wait to see him uncloaked next to the two shiny silver cars now :p

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Deadput wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:As for this "Mirage" having Jazz's alt mode and maybe personality, with what's been said and who the director is, I wouldn't be surprised if even Optimus had 07 Jazz's personality.

Mirage was described as a shapeshifter who would take on multiple alt modes and has a rogue personality similar to Crosshairs from AOE.

Because boy that sounds just like good ol Jazz the hip hop loving and loyal Autobot which even at least the 2007 tried to invoke with what moments he had.

I didn't say it was fact, I was simply speculating. I have no faith whatsoever in this new movie, whatever tiny hope I had for this version of the franchise died with the Bumblebee movie.

Which is an interesting take in of itself to be fair, as a lot of fan reactions were the opposite.

Rodimus Prime wrote:I didn't say it was fact, I was simply speculating. I have no faith whatsoever in this new movie, whatever tiny hope I had for this version of the franchise died with the Bumblebee movie.

That's understandable, I'm personally hoping for the best but expecting the worst (however that's for when the film is finally out, I'm not going to write off anything till it's out, especially not so early in)

Bumblebee was an alright film I think but also very..."low energy" in my opinion which makes it a non exciting film, I've already fully watched it 3 times but ironically enough I get more enjoyment from rewatching the Bay films due to the mindless action as well as laughing or being annoyed at the absurd stuff as opposed to Bumblebee which is a competent film but kinda boring on rewatches.

I've never understood how uptight fans get about the specific vehicle mode of characters in a franchise that's entire shtick is that it's characters can change forms at a whim, and can easily scan a new alt mode do better disguise themselves in a given environment. Are these characters so shallow that a different car mode or a different color scheme completely changes them, relegating them to just a "name slap"?
I mean, they often are, but that's another subject entirely.

If anything, I'd rather an alt mode say something about the character it belongs to, like how a luxury sports car like a Porsche makes far, far more sense for a high-society character like G1 Mirage than an F1 race car ever did.

Tuned Agent wrote:I've never understood how uptight fans get about the specific vehicle mode of characters in a franchise that's entire shtick is that it's characters can change forms at a whim, and can easily scan a new alt mode do better disguise themselves in a given environment. Are these characters so shallow that a different car mode or a different color scheme completely changes them, relegating them to just a "name slap"?
I mean, they often are, but that's another subject entirely.

People tend to think of Transformers in similar rules to Marvel/DC comic characters where most of the time it's one big continuity until a reboot with characters almost never changing their looks significantly, Transformers has never really ran on those rules because they end their series within 3 years besides I guess IDW comics before the reboot which ran a really long time. Heck I think part of the decline with Marvel/DC these days is due to how stagnant the characters and writing is.


People use the term name slap like the later characters are even supposed to invoke the original name bearers, I mean look at Rid2001 Scourge the guy who literally has nothing in common with the G1 Boat-Beard man besides the name because he's not supposed to since their just reusing the name for trademark purposes, same goes with Cybertron/Galaxy Force Scourge which has nothing in common with those 2 either, it's just a name.

Not that it's much of a distinction but another difference between Superhero names and Transformer ones is that the former are nicknames/alter-egos while most of the time the Transformer names are their actual names or at least their preferred name if it is indeed a nickname (Like take Bumblebee and that unit designation from the last film)

Tuned Agent wrote:
If anything, I'd rather an alt mode say something about the character it belongs to, like how a luxury sports car like a Porsche makes far, far more sense for a high-society character like G1 Mirage than an F1 race car ever did.

Since Hasbro just used existing toys to repurpose for the original Transformers line I can't fault them entirely on the vehicle mode choice as well as children probably more excited to see exotic/distinct vehicles over boring everyday vehicles.

But man there were a few dumb disguises amongst the original line, Mirage probably takes the cake for the worst disguise among the 1984 Autobots with Wheeljack as a close second due to being a very specific group's racing car.

Because when would one ever see this just driving around on the road especially with a convoy of other vehicles



The reason I put Mirage above Wheeljack as being worst even though they both have the race car problem is due to Mirage's disguise not serving much utility in that mode either due to being a open one seat vehicle which means Mirage needs a human driving him or a sort of holo driver when he's driving around, this also makes Mirage a useless candidate if he was ever in a situation where he needed to drive around more than 1 human, in gist Wheeljack's alt mode could at least be of some use.

I do hope one of Mirage's disguises is something like the F1 but it being his primary vehicle mode is really not a good idea these days, IRL it's also probably a bit of an impractical car to drive around on set.

Just watch Mirage's robot mode will end up look like G1 Jazz.

Mirage being a Porche here doesn't suddenly mean that Jazz as a Porche can't show up in a future movie which is also presuming Jazz isn't in this movie in the first place.

I'm pretty sure that's what it means. Jazz gets left out of a lot Transformers media so this will be no different. He doesn't even cameo in the beginning of, Bumblebee, like so many of the other classic, Autobots.

Rodimus Knight wrote:Just watch Mirage's robot mode will end up look like G1 Jazz.

He will likely look like Jazz just as much as he's gonna look like Cliffjumper, Dead End, Nightbeat/Minerva, Backstreet or any other Porche Transformer.

JazztfLaw wrote:I'm pretty sure that's what it means. Jazz gets left out of a lot Transformers media so this will be no different. He doesn't even cameo in the beginning of, Bumblebee, like so many of the other classic, Autobots.

Dude literally most characters get left out of the media these days if they aren't Optimus/Bumblebee/Ratchet/Arcee/Grimlock/Windblade

Using the Bumblebee Cybertron scene isn't much of an indicator either since that was a rushed scene created in a few months, literally every character there was reusing the frame of the Optimus/Bee/Shatter/Dropkick/Blitzwing designs that already existed such as Shockwave and Soundwave using Optimus as a base with additional parts on top, the only one Jazz would of fit would of been Dropkick.

The amount of classic Autobots that cameo is a really small number, Optimus/Bumblebee/Cliffjumper/Arcee/Ironhide/Ratchet/Wheeljack/Brawn are the only ones out of other potential Autobots.

Jazz has been in more recent things than Ironhide (Wasn't in Rid 2015 or Cyberverse, just the terrible Siege stuff) has so despite how little he gets these days he's still doing better than most.

Looking forward to seeing what they do with Mirage. To me, he is separate from Dino, so it'll be neat to have those 2 side by side in their alts, and hopefully so in their robot modes too

Transformers Rise of the Beasts UPDATE #4

Leaked script and MORE on set pictures/videos

What do you think guys?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIoIJDjZVD0

Cool stuff is going on in Montreal. Parts of downtown Montreal are looking like the 90s again with all the 90s cars around for the shoot. We have images of the set from the TransformersFR Facebook group. We even have a stunt driving video of Mirage and more shots of that specific car/character.

You'll let us know what you think!

Link to video: https://www.facebook.com/10000048754355 ... 993935880/

The video is dead.

Sabrblade wrote:The video is dead.

It's because you are not a member of the page it was posted in. I got another link, should work now.

Someone got a nice close up shot of Mirage's hood from the upcoming Transformers film Rise of the Beasts. We can see that instead of the Porsche badge on the hood, it's been replaced with an Autobot insignia. This is a nice nod to how Jazz looked like in the cartoon with the Autobot insignia also in the same spot in a very similar vehicle mode. Much smaller of course.

Also, many have wondered if having a Porsche in the film means that the license is good for the toys too and sadly this is not a given. Licenses for cars in movies and licenses to make toys of those cars are separate. Not to say it won't happen but that it's simply not a given, as we saw with Ferrari.

Nice way to not have to put the logo on the figures

I already hate this movie & I haven't even seen it. Sometimes you can just tell.

But on the bright side, I'll be saving a lot of money when I don't buy any of the toys.

I defended the first 4 movies from all the haters. I tried to overlook all the flaws. But now looking back & seeing the direction everything went in, I see that they were right. I can't overlook it anymore. The Last Knight snapped me out of it. And now seeing Mirage with Jazz' alt mode just makes me sick. It pisses me off just like what they did to Hot Rod in TLK.

And after watching Netflix Earthrise I just can't stomach the Transformers fiction anymore. I'll still buy some of the toys but I'm done with the horrible fiction. The last really good thing I saw was Transformers: Prime. Ever since Beast Hunters ended everything has been in the toilet.

So what did you think of Bumblebee then? Also you hate this movie just because this one got the porsche license? This isn't G1,who cares that they don't have exactly the same alt modes? Or the film makers are assigning alt modes after the fact.

Though it raises an interesting question...what comes first, car licensing or the script?

It probably depends on how prominent the characters are, if I recall Hound and Drift in AOE were always concepted as those characters with those names while Crosshairs was a design made first and such before his final name was decided on just that "we have this Corvette Autobot"

I think it was similar with the Decepticons back in 2007, all the Autobots were designed as those characters but Barricade/Blackout/Brawl all went through several different names including Soundwave for the former two cons, heck even though Hasbro sees Brawl as well Brawl the name Devastator ended up in the film because it was the name Bay preferred although "officially" it's an error.

Uh in gist I think the vehicle modes for the main characters are decided before or during the script, so I think Mirage (who I'm going to guess with the info we have is at the least the third main Autobot) was written in the script as Mirage which would explain why the personalty/character traits describe to us sound way more like a Mirage then any form of Jazz since the latter has never been anti-authority or a "shapeshifter" which is an ability that fits the word "Mirage" as much as going invisible does.

Also depends on whether the movie makers pick the vehicle modes or a licenser donates a vehicle to be used in return for promoting the vehicle, which depends on each character for example 2007 Optimus/Ratchet were picked while ROTF Sideways and AOE Drift were the latter.

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Looking forward to seeing what they do with Mirage. To me, he is separate from Dino, so it'll be neat to have those 2 side by side in their alts, and hopefully so in their robot modes too

I agree with this sentiment!



I been thinking about the number of characters in this movie.I know there is some worry about about how to fit them all in one story,but looking back at Bumblebee,shows how to balance that.
The Decepticons could be mentioned and few of them could appear,but they would stay out of the main conflict.
Form what we know,the Terorcons will be main threat,making the Autobots and Maximals fight together.

So, instead of being Jazz, this Porsche is going to be Mirage? Seeing his colourscheme, the silver and the blue hood, it also could have been Blue Streak...?

But I hope they don't mix too much up. I am just confused sometimes with their decisions like some others I believe. Next thing they will make the Autobots the bad guys and the Decepticons heroic