New WFC SIEGE Products reveals: Voyager Apeface, Leader Astrotrain, Deluxe Spinister and Crosshairs

Wow, Astro train looks like a great first Astro Train to get!

Also, the Spinister reveal seems like a confirmation of the theory that the fan votes determine which figures we get first, rather than at all.

Wow!! Astrotrain is great!!!! Love al 3!!!
Just crosshair is a little a delusion...just an Ironhide repaint....



-and about the Apeface surprise...mmm... New headmasters on the way so?

Oh thank the heavens my wallet can rest, I only care about astrotrain and since he is a whopping $50 bucks, I'm ok with it, cause I'm sure he should be quite tall.
I'm not really feeling the other figures.

bacem wrote:Ok, i am legit curious about spinister's transformation, because his leg don't seem to be your usual "split the cockpit", but only one of his leg actually becomes cockpit, so where does the other "cockpit leg" goes?

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I was thinking the same exact thing. It's kind of weird

I gotta wondwr how longvthey have been working on that Apeface, aince he's been a rumor since the start of PotP. Me want


I like Spinister.

Astrotrain is probably a definate, I am a sucker for a train, butbI still like the TR version to go with the other two triples.

Crosshairs I will rpobably pass on. I thibk I prefer the conic art of him from TR Kup than this, a bit too much blue, plus I will already have two of that mold on my primary lineup (Long story short part of my top shelf is Generations versions of Aligned/Movie characters) whenever they decide to spill Ratchet, and I really I am still happy with Cloud Ironhide in the Crosshairs Roll. But he has been on a few people's Want lists for a while now and I am glad to see him coming

OK I'm confused now. Hasbro moved to the one line a year idea with Siege hitting at the end of last year...which is when these are supposed to hit. So the last wave of Siege? Or are these the first reveals of the post Siege line? Given how potp went, I assumed that the next part of the trilogy would hit in December

Astrotrain is an absolute must for me. That train mode, that surprisingly good shuttle mode, hell to the yeah!

Apeface doesn't particularly interest me but he still looks cool.

Spinister looks great and will be a fantastic Decepticon grunt.

Crosshairs is cool and all but I don't think I'd get him over Ironhide. Though a Crosshairs being a retool of Ironhide, after Energon Ironhide had Crosshairs' colours, is an interesting roundabout homage.

Astrotrain looks kinda... iffy. Love that bot mode, but his vehicle modes look awkward. Maybe actual pictures will change my mind?

Crosshairs was a bot I literally just was thinking, "I wonder if HasTak will ever make a Generations Crosshairs?" He may just be an Ironhide retool as opposed to a new mold, but he looks great regardless.

Apeface is to die for. Look how perfect that beast mode is! Robot mode is great and jet mode is pretty cool!

Spinister. What a perfect looking bot. And what magic was pulled off to give him 2 different cockpits on his legs?

Loving all of this, and it shows just how much HasTak loves the fans (and their money!)

Edit: just noticed the headmaster on Apeface's head!

great reveals, no doubt, but the news has me a little confused....Spinister was part of the fan poll (which a winner is not supposed to be announced until sometime in July...but I guess we know who the winner is... ) also, that fan poll was for a 2020 release, these all say 12/01/19.

So...are these late entries in the Siege line, or early ones for the 2020 *Armageddon* line?

ZeroWolf wrote:OK I'm confused now. Hasbro moved to the one line a year idea with Siege hitting at the end of last year...which is when these are supposed to hit. So the last wave of Siege? Or are these the first reveals of the post Siege line? Given how potp went, I assumed that the next part of the trilogy would hit in December

great minds think alike

I suspect these figures are for the next line. The Screenrant feature says that Siege is the current line, but only says these figures are part of "War for Cybertron." SR gets the toy reveal, but Hasbro is still holding onto the product line branding reveal until later.

Whelp, anyone wanna trade TR astrotrain for sentinel prime?
These guys look awesome. I’ll probably pass on crosshairs just because after ratchet I’ll already have two of that mould.

o.supreme wrote:great reveals, no doubt, but the news has me a little confused....Spinister was part of the fan poll (which a winner is not supposed to be announced until sometime in July...but I guess we know who the winner is... ) also, that fan poll was for a 2020 release, these all say 12/01/19.

So...are these late entries in the Siege line, or early ones for the 2020 *Armageddon* line?

Wrong poll. Spinister was in the one for Siege (which Impactor won). Needlenose is the one from the 2020 poll.

^So maybe this should all get moved to the 2020 line thread?

Also I feel bad for all the TR Astrotrains that are destined for the waste bin of history. And also the literal waste bin. I wish his grey was darker, but I'll hold off my worry until we see production figures in the flesh.

bacem wrote:Ok, i am legit curious about spinister's transformation, because his leg don't seem to be your usual "split the cockpit", but only one of his leg actually becomes cockpit, so where does the other "cockpit leg" goes?

It goes in the back, covered by his arms on the side. It's a very nice transformation/design trick where one of the alt mode components is real while the other fake to give the bot mode symmetry. We've been seeing lots of that lately, especially in the legs. Here are some other examples.

Autobot N wrote:Also, the Spinister reveal seems like a confirmation of the theory that the fan votes determine which figures we get first, rather than at all.

I felt that theory was confirmed with Omega Supreme.

Microbot wrote:Wow!! Astrotrain is great!!!! Love al 3!!!
Just crosshair is a little a delusion...just an Ironhide repaint....

People were asking for a Kup repaint so it was gonne be on or the other, this isnt surprising.

ZeroWolf wrote:OK I'm confused now. Hasbro moved to the one line a year idea with Siege hitting at the end of last year...which is when these are supposed to hit. So the last wave of Siege? Or are these the first reveals of the post Siege line? Given how potp went, I assumed that the next part of the trilogy would hit in December

This confuses me to no end. I really dont know whats going on with the line right now.

Nathaniel Prime wrote:Astrotrain looks kinda... iffy. Love that bot mode, but his vehicle modes look awkward.

I always had an issue with Astrotrain in the fact that his shuttle mode is awkward because the engineering was just not feasable at the time to give him a sleek shuttle mode. So it looked rather squarish instead. And because the animation model copied that look, it became part of the character. I would have liked for us to move on and actually give him a nice and sleek shuttle mode, something we can do now that we couldnt before.

Something like this:

o.supreme wrote:^So maybe this should all get moved to the 2020 line thread?

I don’t think so. Some folks on TFW2005 have a list of all of the Siege numbers (I think they got it from the website that you can put the codes into) that had a wave’s worth of unknown numbers. The four figures revealed today filled a few of the missing numbers.

Microbot wrote:Wow!! Astrotrain is great!!!! Love al 3!!!
Just crosshair is a little a delusion...just an Ironhide repaint....

So is Siege Ratchet.

I think a lot of fans were expecting Crosshairs to be repainted from the Titans Return Deluxe Class Kup mold. But then Crosshairs would've had a Titan Master for a head and then fans would've wanted Sureshot and Pointblank to be made with Titan Masters for heads as well and Hasbro was already moving towards a new line by then. So in all honesty, this mold is the perfect mold for Crosshairs, being futuristic and Cybertronian, thus opening the door for figures of Sureshot and Pointblank to be released in this WFC trilogy.

o.supreme wrote:great reveals, no doubt, but the news has me a little confused....Spinister was part of the fan poll (which a winner is not supposed to be announced until sometime in July...but I guess we know who the winner is... )

Wrong fan poll

o.supreme wrote:great reveals, no doubt, but the news has me a little confused....Spinister was part of the fan poll (which a winner is not supposed to be announced until sometime in July...but I guess we know who the winner is... ) also, that fan poll was for a 2020 release, these all say 12/01/19.

So...are these late entries in the Siege line, or early ones for the 2020 *Armageddon* line?

ZeroWolf wrote:OK I'm confused now. Hasbro moved to the one line a year idea with Siege hitting at the end of last year...which is when these are supposed to hit. So the last wave of Siege? Or are these the first reveals of the post Siege line? Given how potp went, I assumed that the next part of the trilogy would hit in December

great minds think alike

Hah very true!

Realised I never commented on the figures.

I like Astro Train, nice to have the train alt mode looking like a train (though his TR release was more alien in design. Spinster looks great fun, and I'm keen to see where the faux cockpit goes in alt mode. Ape Face is stunning in all modes and it's nice to see the titan masters again.

Crosshairs is sadly a little boring to me but it's good that he's there for those who want him!

I am a very strong YES to Astrotrain, a maybe/possibly to Apeface, and as for the other two... no flippin' way.

So much awesomeness!

And Will I don’t think you’re a downer at all I think you make good points. For me the reimagined tetrajet just works and is fun to transform I’m totally going off personal preference. And me and my older brother it was always like he had Skywarp and Sideswipe I had Starscream and Sunstreaker it just takes me back

00Stargrave00 wrote:So much awesomeness!

And Will I don’t think you’re a downer at all I think you make good points. For me the reimagined tetrajet just works and is fun to transform I’m totally going off personal preference. And me and my older brother it was always like he had Skywarp and Sideswipe I had Starscream and Sunstreaker it just takes me back

While I do take issue with the shape, my criticism here was more with the colours.

william-james88 wrote:

o.supreme wrote:great reveals, no doubt, but the news has me a little confused....Spinister was part of the fan poll (which a winner is not supposed to be announced until sometime in July...but I guess we know who the winner is... )

Wrong fan poll

Darn...One wonders how you could get Spinister & Needlenose confused...Just showing my lack of knowledge of the 1988 line, even though I have both from the TFCC Thunder Mayhem Squad . Keeping these as late Siege (wave 5?) works for me. The reveals are nice, but makes me more excited for what Hasbro will reveal at SDCC for the 2020 line.

Whoooh! Exciting! Those are some nice looking Decepticons. Having a leader class Astrotrain will be great, and in my opinion a huge improvement on his TR Voyager toy. Not just in terms of scale, but also aesthetics. I’m immensely excited for Apeface and Spasma, as I’m a huge fan of headmasters, and the Horrorcons in particular. Spinister is a get.

Crosshairs is just a liiiittle disappointing. I wouldn’t have expected that mold to be used for his character. Don’t get me wrong, I’m a fan of the mold, and am definitely going to be picking up Ratchet when he comes out. But that’s mostly because Ratchet is my favorite Autobot. Hands down. It’s just that if they had mentioned that Crosshairs was going to be coming out, that mold isn’t what I would have pictured. Still it’s nice that his character is getting some love.

Will I buy Astrotrain again? For a better train mode, heck yeah I will. This is definitely a better overall figure than the Titans Return version, though I might have preferred him to be Voyager sized. I can live with that, though.

The other three all look great, and all will be welcome additions.

Spinister and Apeface are super cool. I like Astrotrain..but probably won't spend 50$ on a figure that I have a decent version of already (I like the TR one just fine).
I nothing Crosshairs.... will probably skip.

These guys are still all under the "Siege" name right? When does the next part of the Trilogy start?
This means we have two more waves coming to retail (counting these figures) under that banner?

I was under the presumption that the next part of the trilogy would be out end of this year beginning of next... Which is when these are due out...

ZeroWolf wrote:I was under the presumption that the next part of the trilogy would be out end of this year beginning of next... Which is when these are due out...

These are due end of this year. Their official release date is still in 2019 while the second part of the trilogy would be in 2020.

HOLY HANDGRENADES OF ANTIOK BATMAN! I may finally replace my classics astrotrain. these are all fantastic. except for the ironhide repaint. sadly looks like I cant use my titan master apeface with the new one. not a big deal though. seriously hasbro your killing me with these! soooooo much money.

don't stop though...

Why wouldn't you be able to? It is a titan master head that this voyager Apeface has. (And with that can I just say how much I love them using the same engineering for combiners and headmasters over multiple lines?)

unicron1200 wrote:(And with that can I just say how much I love them using the same engineering for combiners and headmasters over multiple lines?)

Hey, if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.

Thinking Logistically Siege has been (more or less)...

Wave 1/Q1 (January 2019)
Wave 2/Q2 (April 2019)
Wave 3/Q3 (July 2019)
*presumably*
Wave 4/Q4 (October 2019)

If they now try to throw in a 5th wave at the end of 2019...does this mean the 2020 line gets pushed back to starting in Spring/Q2 of 2020, or are these wave 5 releases going to be very limited and extremely hard to find tail enders echoing the woes of past lines??

Well I’ll eat my hat and admit I was wrong about astrotrain and apeface being just rumors and I couldn’t be happier. Always happy to be wrong and yet more figures HOWEVER...what the $&%# was the point of the fan vote if spinister is there and Wheeljack is on other chrxters art?!?!

These look pretty bad ass!

o.supreme wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

o.supreme wrote:great reveals, no doubt, but the news has me a little confused....Spinister was part of the fan poll (which a winner is not supposed to be announced until sometime in July...but I guess we know who the winner is... )

Wrong fan poll

Darn...One wonders how you could get Spinister & Needlenose confused...Just showing my lack of knowledge of the 1988 line, even though I have both from the TFCC Thunder Mayhem Squad . Keeping these as late Siege (wave 5?) works for me. The reveals are nice, but makes me more excited for what Hasbro will reveal at SDCC for the 2020 line.

To be fair, I bet everyone expected Spinister in the next line. I think this is the first time where the loser of a fan vote still ends up in the line.

My only complaint bout astrotrain thus far is that he’s not a commander size version to go toe to toe v jetfire and that like jetfire, I already have two previous incarnations.

Crosshairs... would hope they give him a battle master add on! Was hoping for a kup repaint but this will do. Hope to acquire the g1 version one day.

Spinister- quite cool, always liked choppers. And we always need more deceptions.

Apeface... looks the part! As with crosshairs he’s been in my want list both for the original toy and for has to to give us a chug version,

So it’s an all buy for me, even though I’m avoiding repaints, crosshairs will be a buy after skipping ratchet.

I SAID THERE WAS MORE SIEGE TO BE REVEALED BY THE CODE NUMBERS AND NO ONE BELIEVED ME! WHO'S CRAZY NOW!

...ahem. Now that I got that out of my system, Apeface and Spinister are guaranteed buys, Crosshairs is a meh but we'll see, and Astrotrain looks amazing but doesn't bode well for my "Only buy 2 Leader figures a year at full price" policy. Also, this throws the point I made a while back about figuring out everyone's alternate heads sculpts out the window, since now we know the Ironhide mold has three head sculpts (and the verdict is still out on Skywarp). I'm really just happy about Spinister though, I was afraid we weren't going to see him for a while after he lost the poll, but now I'm hopeful for Wheeljack. Spinister and Wheeljack came second in that, right? I guess that was good enough for Hasbro to consider them safe bets.

...Also the shout-out to IDW in his write-up gives me hope for more old IDW characters again, even though I know it shouldn't.

Randomhero wrote:Well I’ll eat my hat and admit I was wrong about astrotrain and apeface being just rumors and I couldn’t be happier. Always happy to be wrong and yet more figures HOWEVER...what the $&%# was the point of the fan vote if spinister is there and Wheeljack is on other chrxters art?!?!

The point is that it guarantees which characters you will get. Others may happen if hasbro wants it to, but at least you can be assured that the winners will happen and happen first.
I dont see anything wrong with that. I wouldnt want to live a world where a character losing means I will never get him.

I'm very happy to see Astrotrain and Apeface at last after that store inventory leak months ago. Astrotrain looks AMAZING, too. I loved the Legends version of the Titans Return mold already, but this one is just PERFECTION! My hope is that he's about the same size as Titans Return Blitzwing and Octane. I have a feeling that the Leader Class price point has more to do with parts count and complexity of assembly. This is almost like getting a cheap Masterpiece figure in a regular retail line.

Apeface looks great too. It looks like he's definitely compatible with the Titans Return Titan Master system. I'm pretty sure the Titan Master for robot mode fits into the back of the beast mode head to fill it out. It's not exactly how it worked in the original G1 toy, but it's close enough, without having to engineer a new kind of modern Headmaster unit with two different faces. We can only hope they've got Snapdragon waiting in the wings to be revealed too.

Spinister is not surprising, given that we found out that one of his Targetmaster buddies, Hairsplitter/Shrute, was part of the upcoming "Skywarp" gift set. I have a sneaking suspicion we might soon see a "Singe" Battle Master as well. I guess Hasbro REALLY wanted Spinister to win the fan poll last time. That makes me think that we'll be seeing a new Deluxe Class Wheeljack in the not so distant future, whether it's part of the tail-end of Siege or part of the 2020 War for Cybertron line, maybe along with Needlenose and Tracks?

Crosshairs is a very welcome surprise. The reuse of the Ironhide mold is fine. It does the job pretty well, all things considered. I hope this means we are also getting a Pinpointer Target Master as well.

Is there any indication that these are the ONLY new reveals for SDCC 2019? Or are these just a taste of what we're going to see? If nothing else, I hope we get the official reveal of the "35th Anniversary" repaint figures and the Micro Master multipack we heard about a while back.

Siege really has shaped up to be a great line for Transformers. It's just as exciting, maybe even more so, as when we were in the midst of Titans Return. More please!

I'll buy them all!

So at this point is it safe to assume the following?

WFC-S34 = Ratchet
WFC-S48 = Spinister
WFC-S49 = Crosshairs
WFC-S50 = Apeface
WFC-S51 = Astrotrain

Still got 44 - 47 out in limbo though.

I nabbed Siege Springer today and damn am I impressed. I didn't thing it'd be possible to usurp T30, but he did in every way. Tight joints, dense plastic, a complex but fun, satisfying and surprisingly intuitive (for a triple changer) transformation. Can't recommend him enough. All modes are solid and interesting to get him into. Bot mode has fun posability and he comes with a tone of accessories.

o.supreme wrote:Thinking Logistically Siege has been (more or less)...

Wave 1/Q1 (January 2019)
Wave 2/Q2 (April 2019)
Wave 3/Q3 (July 2019)
*presumably*
Wave 4/Q4 (October 2019)

If they now try to throw in a 5th wave at the end of 2019...does this mean the 2020 line gets pushed back to starting in Spring/Q2 of 2020, or are these wave 5 releases going to be very limited and extremely hard to find tail enders echoing the woes of past lines??

There hasn't been any confirmation of which line they're a part of. Screen Rant only said "War for Cybertron." TFWiki has created new Siege waves for these figures, while some other news sites have speculated this is for the 2020 line. I'm sure it will be clarified at SDCC, if not sooner.

What is going on with spinisters legs?!?! He’s got a leg that’s a fake front of his alt-mode

If we go by what the Decoder website is saying theese guys are most likely #48-51 of siege

https://transformers.hasbro.com/en-us/teletraan1

data-number="48" data-faction="decepticon" data-available="false" data-available-label="Check back in <span>December 2019</span>.

data-number="49" data-faction="autobot" data-available="false" data-available-label="Check back in <span>December 2019</span>.

data-number="50" data-faction="decepticon" data-available="false" data-available-label="Check back in <span>December 2019</span>.

data-number="51" data-faction="decepticon" data-available="false" data-available-label="Check back in <span>December 2019</span>.

Lunatic Prime wrote:Why does Spinister have two cockpits? I mean I know what the G1 figure looks like but couldn't they have just splitted it or only put it on one leg? That's AoE Snarl fake leg details 2.0. At least it looks cool



But WHY do the twin gatling guns have different colors in robot and in bot mode? And again I know what his G1 Targetmasters look like.

Coz it’s just a CGI model. Coloring error

Wolfman Jake wrote:Apeface:
We can only hope they've got Snapdragon waiting in the wings to be revealed too.

That's exactly what I hope, too. I'm waiting for Snapdragon since Titans Return now. I only care about Apeface because he means we will get a Snapdragon (this time for real, not like in TR where there was only a Titan Master for Apeface).
I mean Apeface doesn't look that bad but the robot is just nice to me, the jet mode is just a square tile with wings and a cockpit and the beast mode is blocky and carries his vehicle parts on his back but still looks kind of cool. I think the colors do him a lot of favor. But I have to say I love his ape head. Still not enough to want him. My Snapdragon will end up with a tiny Apeface sidekick

Lunatic Prime, I was about to respond to your comment about the Apeface Headmaster transformation, but when I went to "quote" your post, I noticed you had stealthily deleted the reply to me altogether, lol! I guess that means you came to understand yourself what I meant when I said this new solution doesn't work exactly the same as the G1 version, but still has a similar spirit to it, yes?

carytheone wrote:So at this point is it safe to assume the following?

WFC-S34 = Ratchet
WFC-S48 = Spinister
WFC-S49 = Crosshairs
WFC-S50 = Apeface
WFC-S51 = Astrotrain

Still got 44 - 47 out in limbo though.

Pointblank, Sureshot, Snapdragon, and a redo of Quake, perhaps?

Jtprime17 wrote:If we go by what the Decoder website is saying theese guys are most likely #48-51 of siege

https://transformers.hasbro.com/en-us/teletraan1

data-number="48" data-faction="decepticon" data-available="false" data-available-label="Check back in <span>December 2019</span>.

data-number="49" data-faction="autobot" data-available="false" data-available-label="Check back in <span>December 2019</span>.

data-number="50" data-faction="decepticon" data-available="false" data-available-label="Check back in <span>December 2019</span>.

data-number="51" data-faction="decepticon" data-available="false" data-available-label="Check back in <span>December 2019</span>.

Or maybe they'll continue using this site and feature for the next part of the trilogy, and they'll continue the same numbering scheme. There's evidence either way, and we'll know soon enough.

I have a very simple question: if Hasbro wanted to announce these figures as part of Siege, why didn't Screen Rant do that? What value does it have for Hasbro to not call that out?

I'm telling you, they're going to announce the next wave at SDCC, or NYCC at the latest.