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New Studio Series Listings Confirm 86 TF Movie Characters Coming Along with More Bayverse Toys

Transformers News: New Studio Series Listings Confirm 86 TF Movie Characters Coming Along with More Bayverse Toys

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We thank fellow Seibertronian LinaNui for letting us know of new Studio Series listings found by JTPrime17. These confirm two things:
1. The Studio Series line will indeed include toys of characters from the 86 Transformers "G1" movie.
2. They will be side by side with Bayverse toys that will also be continuing to be part of the line.

Here are the listings and links that tell us this. The Grimlock and WHE listing is now available to view online, and we now have another 86 listing for Gnaw, the sharkticon. These two listings have the 86 in their name. Gnaw's UPC is 630509991075. While there was an illustration of G1 Grimlock accompanying the listing, it has since been learnt that it was added to the listing by a third party and not part of the actual listing. But two listings sporting the same 86 monicker further confirms what we gathered with Grimlock's listing is true.

We also have listings for Bayverse characters and those are:

Transformers-hasbro Tra Gen Studio Series Dlx Tf2 Sideswipe

Transformers-hasbro Tra Gen Studio Series Ldr Tf2 Grindr Rav

Transformers-hasbro Tra Gen Studio Series Dlx Tf2 Jolt

And of course another Bayverse Bumblebee toy

Transformers-hasbro Tra Gen Studio Series Dlx Tf2 Bb W/ Sam
Credit(s): Walmart and JTPrime17

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Re: New Studio Series Listings Confirm 86 TF Movie Characters Coming Along with More Bayverse Toys (2066651)
Posted by ZeroWolf on June 5th, 2020 @ 2:42pm CDT
That picture has been confirmed to have been taken from fan art, so it's not indicative of the final product.
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Posted by Un_Chakal on June 5th, 2020 @ 2:47pm CDT
Grindr LOL
Re: New Studio Series Listings Confirm 86 TF Movie Characters Coming Along with More Bayverse Toys (2066653)
Posted by Rtron on June 5th, 2020 @ 2:48pm CDT
Sentinel_Primal wrote:Personally, I hope that this new Bee is just the one they released with a normal, non-battle masked face. Or a Stealth Force version


He'll probably have a non-battlemask face and a remolded chest, as the chest was the only difference in the CGI model between 2007 and ROTF (Because the production Camaro ended up having a different front to the concept car). I mean, think about it, he's SO similar that they're including a Sam minifig to entice you to buy the figure!. That's how little remolding that figure has (and honestly needs), so little that they can include a minifig with a deluxe class.

Thinking about that, Sam will probably share a sprue with the new chest, meaning he'll be cast in yellow plastic. For some reason I find that hilarious. Like, you'll probably be able to make you own Simpsons-Transformers crossovers just by chipping off the paint from his face.

As for getting '86 figures in the line, as much as I like G1, I hate the way it just seems to seep into everything. However, I hope this means they conceive of Studio Series as a long lived line, and the G1 guys are just padding to keep it going, seeing how we're down to only about 40 Bayformers left.
Re: New Studio Series Listings Confirm 86 TF Movie Characters Coming Along with More Bayverse Toys (2066655)
Posted by Quantum Surge on June 5th, 2020 @ 2:51pm CDT
Well, looks like it'll be yet another forced G1 inclusion for a non-G1 line, but as long as they make the selection not take up slots of the main Movie line and also make it a temporary thing for the obligated 35th anniversary, I'll be fine...even if it'd be better for Nostalgiageddon: WFC3.
Re: New Studio Series Listings Confirm 86 TF Movie Characters Coming Along with More Bayverse Toys (2066657)
Posted by Bumblevivisector on June 5th, 2020 @ 2:55pm CDT
ZeroWolf wrote:Unless of course... This is the ground work before the launch of the animated prequel movie :-? So they can point back to this and say "look! Animated movies are fine within Studio Series!"

Hadn't thought of that, but including TF:TM in Studio series could make it a more effective bridge to the next movie in that sense too. So we sort of agree, great!

I first got excited by this news because I assumed it'd mean better original molds for the TF:TM cast, but now I'm worried they might be largely repaints of recent figures. Hasbro's plan from the beginning of War For Cybertron might have been to release those molds with annoying battle damage in hopes of getting us to double-dip for clean, shiny repaints. Siege Springer would be an ideal toy to repaint "clean" for Studio Series '86 as an experiment, and more worthwhile than most of the Netflix repaints, as he wasn't the easiest to find last year. And Gnaw will probably just be a TR repaint, but that's an army builder that would reliably sell to those who couldn't find him and fans who just want more, so they can't really go wrong milking that mold.

And getting back to the Animated Prequel Movie, this could be pushed to a further extreme. Say it ends up including cameos by the Jumpstarters, Perceptor, Misfire, Slugslinger, and Windblade, just as an excuse for Studio Series to reissue their Titans Return toys. While that would feel like a total dick move, especially if no Head-/Target-/Titan-Master gimmicks figure in to the movie, it would be nice for all the fans who couldn't find those toys 3 years ago and don't want to pay $100 on ebay for what should've been easy-to-find mass retail figures.

And there is already sort of a precedent for that in Studio Series: Cogman, a slight redeco of his TLK toy, which was so hard to find that no one really complained about reuse of the mold. I think he was the second SS figure I bought after Stinger.

Now, no one wants Studio Series to get bogged down in reissues, but for the reissues that fans really want, that line could end up being the best place to make some of them happen, filling the gaps between new and improved Bayniverse figures during stretches where they can't help but dwindle a bit.

Maybe I'm in a tiny minority here, but those are what I'd personally be inclined to buy.
Re: New Studio Series Listings Confirm 86 TF Movie Characters Coming Along with More Bayverse Toys (2066658)
Posted by Jtprime17 on June 5th, 2020 @ 2:59pm CDT
I Just want to say the Fan art and product description of Grimlock were not added to the listing by Walmart them selves but was changed by market place seller Collection toys when the listing unlocked.

Since then It looks like Walmart has removed both the image and Description from the mobile app version of the listing. Not sure if they did on the desktop version yet.
Re: New Studio Series Listings Confirm 86 TF Movie Characters Coming Along with More Bayverse Toys (2066659)
Posted by william-james88 on June 5th, 2020 @ 3:03pm CDT
Jtprime17 wrote:Not sure if they did on the desktop version yet.


They did not, it's the source I used for the article.
Re: New Studio Series Listings Confirm 86 TF Movie Characters Coming Along with More Bayverse Toys (2066660)
Posted by Roadbuster on June 5th, 2020 @ 3:03pm CDT
I have a thought on the Studio series 86 Movie TFs. It's possible this could be a way around the WFC line to bring those bots/cons in they otherwise can't fit into that line

So instead of including the Dinobots, Wheelie, Wreck-Gar, Blaster, Perceptor, Earth mode Ultra Magnus, etc in the WFC line, they'll being them in through the Studio Series.
Re: New Studio Series Listings Confirm 86 TF Movie Characters Coming Along with More Bayverse Toys (2066661)
Posted by ZeroWolf on June 5th, 2020 @ 3:09pm CDT
Is there really a demand for an earth mode Magnus? All that's different is the very front of the cab. Robot mode isn't affected at all.
Re: New Studio Series Listings Confirm 86 TF Movie Characters Coming Along with More Bayverse Toys (2066662)
Posted by william-james88 on June 5th, 2020 @ 3:20pm CDT
ZeroWolf wrote:Is there really a demand for an earth mode Magnus? All that's different is the very front of the cab. Robot mode isn't affected at all.

It's a way to have the character on the shelves for people who didn't get him the first time. Like with the seekers, Megatron, Arcee, Optimus, the Datsuns ect. I know I wont be getting half of earthrise because I already nought those characters last year.
Re: New Studio Series Listings Confirm 86 TF Movie Characters Coming Along with More Bayverse Toys (2066664)
Posted by ZeroWolf on June 5th, 2020 @ 3:25pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:
ZeroWolf wrote:Is there really a demand for an earth mode Magnus? All that's different is the very front of the cab. Robot mode isn't affected at all.

It's a way to have the character on the shelves for people who didn't get him the first time. Like with the seekers, Megatron, Arcee, Optimus, the Datsuns ect. I know I wont be getting half of earthrise because I already nought those characters last year.

But doesn't that mean we're doomed to the endless recycling of characters? After all new fans can join in at any time and will want these characters, won't it get to a point that all improvements are non-existent? You can only invent the wheel once as they say.
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Posted by Nemesis Primal on June 5th, 2020 @ 3:26pm CDT
Bumblevivisector wrote:I first got excited by this news because I assumed it'd mean better original molds for the TF:TM cast, but now I'm worried they might be largely repaints of recent figures.

...I'm gonna say I don't buy into this theory and you probably don't have to worry about repaints that much, as I think it's unlikely and I see two fallacies in your logic behind it. The first of which:
Bumblevivisector wrote:And Gnaw will probably just be a TR repaint, but that's an army builder that would reliably sell to those who couldn't find him and fans who just want more, so they can't really go wrong milking that mold.

Considering this Gnaw listing is a Deluxe, and Gnaw was just in the 2019 fan poll for a Deluxe Decepticon release, I severely doubt they would reissue the Legends Class TR figure at a higher price point than it's original release and instead assume this is just their way of using the Deluxe Gnaw mold they had planned for the fan vote release, similar to how we still got Siege Spinister despite him losing the poll.

Second thing:
Bumblevivisector wrote:And there is already sort of a precedent for that [reissues] in Studio Series: Cogman, a slight redeco of his TLK toy, which was so hard to find that no one really complained about reuse of the mold.

If that was the only TLK mold that got reused in Studio Series, that logic would maybe make sense, but the Nitro Zeus mold also got reused twice for separate characters (even though KSI Boss is basically just premium Nitro Zeus), and the Berserker mold got retooled for the Dreads, so I think it is much less based on Cogman having been rare and more that Hasbro wanted to get their money's worth from the TLK molds and thought they were of the same quality as the SS stuff, and they wanted the characters present as part of the line but making new molds for those characters would have been a waste anyway.

Also, there is no Leader Class G1 Grimlock that already exists for that listing to be a reissue of.
Re: New Studio Series Listings Confirm 86 TF Movie Characters Coming Along with More Bayverse Toys (2066666)
Posted by ZeroWolf on June 5th, 2020 @ 3:29pm CDT
I think the idea was that this was leader Class aoe Grimlock in G1 colours, so that's the reissue talk.
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Posted by Nemesis Primal on June 5th, 2020 @ 3:41pm CDT
ZeroWolf wrote:I think the idea was that this was leader Class aoe Grimlock in G1 colours, so that's the reissue talk.

Pretty sure that with the confirmation of Gnaw, that ship has sailed.
Re: New Studio Series Listings Confirm 86 TF Movie Characters Coming Along with More Bayverse Toys (2066668)
Posted by Shuttershock on June 5th, 2020 @ 3:46pm CDT
Aaand Grindor repaint finally lumbers out.

Still waiting on SS Hatchet. Aside from BB Soundwave and maybe some Blitzwing Seeker reprints, he’s about all I’m still looking forward to.
Re: New Studio Series Listings Confirm 86 TF Movie Characters Coming Along with More Bayverse Toys (2066669)
Posted by MeGrimlock78 on June 5th, 2020 @ 3:48pm CDT
Part of me hopes these are reissues of existing molds, so I won't feel obligated to pick up another Grimlock.

On the other hand, I hope these are new molds, so I can pick up an awesome new Grimlock.

Though it probably is the new Gnaw, a deluxe price point could be two legion class Gnaws (like the Arcee's), and leader Grimlock could be PotP Grimlock with a legion Wheelie packaged in there...
Re: New Studio Series Listings Confirm 86 TF Movie Characters Coming Along with More Bayverse Toys (2066670)
Posted by Mindmaster on June 5th, 2020 @ 3:52pm CDT
I’ll take me a Jolt, but only thing going for Grindor is that he comes with Ravage. Grindor is bigger than Blackout and is a slightly different helicopter so if he’s just a redeco of Blackout, I’ll pass and just hunt down the HFTD Legends Ravage or something. I’ll take a RotF Sideswipe too, since I like that look more than I do the DotM convertible one.

If G1 is truly invading Studio Series, there better be a sweetass Galvatron that’s actually good and not a reuse of TR Galvatron. Otherwise, ugh.
Re: New Studio Series Listings Confirm 86 TF Movie Characters Coming Along with More Bayverse Toys (2066671)
Posted by ZeroWolf on June 5th, 2020 @ 3:53pm CDT
Nemesis Primal wrote:
ZeroWolf wrote:I think the idea was that this was leader Class aoe Grimlock in G1 colours, so that's the reissue talk.

Pretty sure that with the confirmation of Gnaw, that ship has sailed.

Oh I know, but I was just explaining the reissue comment :)
Re: New Studio Series Listings Confirm 86 TF Movie Characters Coming Along with More Bayverse Toys (2066677)
Posted by DeadCaL on June 5th, 2020 @ 4:42pm CDT
The image has been ripped from a T Shirt design. I bought it originally from Ript Apparel

https://shirtoid.com/158378/the-crossing-of-quintessa/

Image
Re: New Studio Series Listings Confirm 86 TF Movie Characters Coming Along with More Bayverse Toys (2066678)
Posted by william-james88 on June 5th, 2020 @ 4:53pm CDT
ZeroWolf wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
ZeroWolf wrote:Is there really a demand for an earth mode Magnus? All that's different is the very front of the cab. Robot mode isn't affected at all.

It's a way to have the character on the shelves for people who didn't get him the first time. Like with the seekers, Megatron, Arcee, Optimus, the Datsuns ect. I know I wont be getting half of earthrise because I already nought those characters last year.

But doesn't that mean we're doomed to the endless recycling of characters? After all new fans can join in at any time and will want these characters, won't it get to a point that all improvements are non-existent? You can only invent the wheel once as they say.

You say that but we've had a leader optimus prime every year in the past 4 years, along with other primes in cyberverse and studio series.
Plus about reinventing the wheel, I am surprised to see that every single cyberberse Grimlock transforms differently (4 of them now). I know not really related but I wanted to share since I find that pretty impressive.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:So would a SS line for The Movie cast mean only four Dinobots... :P


Haha, did you see the thumbnail I chose for the Grimlock news story?
Re: New Studio Series Listings Confirm 86 TF Movie Characters Coming Along with More Bayverse Toys (2066685)
Posted by Lore Keeper on June 5th, 2020 @ 5:30pm CDT
It's weird that they're doing the '86 movie cast so soon after they were covered in Generations. So what if, hear me out, these TF:TM Studio Seried toys are cel-shaded redecos of recent generations toys? That new technique was only used for two figures that were quite popular and hasn't been seen again since. This could be their way of getting more like that out there. I'm not saying this is what I hope happens. PotP Grimlock was very disappointing, but i can very much see this happening.
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Posted by Immortal Starscream on June 5th, 2020 @ 7:27pm CDT
As many others have stated, this really makes no sense. Why put these in the studio series and not the wrc trilogy? We have already seen an image of Galvatron on the earhrise box art, and it makes sense that the next series would be movie/post movie stuff. Unless they skip to beast wars.

On the other hand, the studio series line is running out of bots to make... Aside from the obligatory bazillion bumblebee repaints.
Re: New Studio Series Listings Confirm 86 TF Movie Characters Coming Along with More Bayverse Toys (2066693)
Posted by skycutter on June 5th, 2020 @ 7:33pm CDT
Immortal Starscream wrote:As many others have stated, this really makes no sense. Why put these in the studio series and not the wrc trilogy? We have already seen an image of Galvatron on the earhrise box art, and it makes sense that the next series would be movie/post movie stuff. Unless they skip to beast wars.

On the other hand, the studio series line is running out of bots to make... Aside from the obligatory bazillion bumblebee repaints.

it probably like this, there making room for beast wars in wfc 3, while also keeping some bayverse character to mix with the new movie coming out, whenever it does, for studio series
Re: New Studio Series Listings Confirm 86 TF Movie Characters Coming Along with More Bayverse Toys (2066697)
Posted by loof on June 5th, 2020 @ 8:42pm CDT
Hey guys, new here. Finally decided to hop in after TFW became a war zone over the '86 characters. This place seems so much tamer and I've been a watcher.

I personally am sad they're tossing more G1 in. Don't we have enough G1? Wasn't SS so much better as the movie fan's dream?

But I'll certainly forgive if WFC3 is complete Beast Wars.
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Posted by Tuned Agent on June 5th, 2020 @ 9:18pm CDT
skycutter wrote:it probably like this, there making room for beast wars in wfc 3, while also keeping some bayverse character to mix with the new movie coming out, whenever it does, for studio series

Somebody else mentioned this too a couple pages back, and the more I think about it... the more I think you guys might be on to something. What if WFC part 3 is going to be devoted to Beast Wars' 25th anniversary? Since next year is also the 35th anniversary of the 86 movie, and since they probably want to still have some G1 on the shelves, maybe they decided to just mix those figures in with the bayformers in Studio Series with the excuse that they're "still movie figures"? I mean, we know a new Cheetor is coming in the Netflix line, and since that's a line made up of redecos I think we can expect Cheetor in the mainline, perhaps the third part. What if Cheetor isn't actually a one-off, and the precursor of much more to come next year? If this happens, I think things will turn out alright. ;)^ While I agree with a lot of fans concerns about this, I think it's a bit early to say the sky is falling.
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Posted by Grahf_ on June 5th, 2020 @ 9:25pm CDT
I wouldn't mind some Studio Series Predacons Rising figures myself.
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Posted by Nemesis Primal on June 5th, 2020 @ 9:30pm CDT
Jtprime's probably going to pop up in a few minutes with more listings, but I happened to catch a glance at TFW and spoiler alert: everyone who's been waiting this whole time for Dino is about to be REAL happy.
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Posted by skycutter on June 5th, 2020 @ 9:58pm CDT
Nemesis Primal wrote:Jtprime's probably going to pop up in a few minutes with more listings, but I happened to catch a glance at TFW and spoiler alert: everyone who's been waiting this whole time for Dino is about to be REAL happy.

if it not another codename
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Posted by Tuned Agent on June 5th, 2020 @ 10:00pm CDT
Nemesis Primal wrote:Jtprime's probably going to pop up in a few minutes with more listings, but I happened to catch a glance at TFW and spoiler alert: everyone who's been waiting this whole time for Dino is about to be REAL happy.

:-D
Re: New Studio Series Listings Confirm 86 TF Movie Characters Coming Along with More Bayverse Toys (2066708)
Posted by EvasionModeBumblebee on June 5th, 2020 @ 10:31pm CDT
If that Dino listing is true, then I don't think I can complain about the 86 figures. Freaking DINO?! After all these years?! On top of all the other cool Bayverse listings that just showed up?
Bee.gif
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Posted by william-james88 on June 5th, 2020 @ 10:43pm CDT
EvasionModeBumblebee wrote:If that Dino listing is true, then I don't think I can complain about the 86 figures. Freaking DINO?! After all these years?! On top of all the other cool Bayverse listings that just showed up?
Bee.gif

Ferrari or GTFO!
Re: New Studio Series Listings Confirm 86 TF Movie Characters Coming Along with More Bayverse Toys (2066711)
Posted by Rtron on June 5th, 2020 @ 10:50pm CDT
That tf2 error makes me suspicious. What if they just misnamed Sideways? Or is just a red repaint of some RotF SS mold?
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Posted by EvasionModeBumblebee on June 5th, 2020 @ 11:49pm CDT
Rtron wrote:That tf2 error makes me suspicious. What if they just misnamed Sideways? Or is just a red repaint of some RotF SS mold?

I think a typo with the movie number is more likely than the name, hopefully it's an actual DOTM Dino.

Considering that we've had 5 deluxe Bayverse listings and 1 deluxe 86 listing, and SS waves thus far have had a max of 5 deluxes, I think it's possible that the 86 stuff will be a subline and not included with the waves/numbering of the other SS stuff.
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Posted by Rodimus Prime on June 5th, 2020 @ 11:58pm CDT
So I just thought of something. Since now there's a way for SS to involve non-Bayverse characters, can this merger of sorts work in the other direction? Could we see a Titan Class SS figure in the future? Like maybe that Devy box set that was brought up before? Or *gasp* Shockwave's driller that either Shockwave might actually fit into somehow? I can't really think of any more G1 candidates for Titan Class, besides repaints. Even though I wish Armada Tidal Wave was considered. Yeah, this is all way out there, but I have an active imagination. :-D
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Posted by Jeddostotle7 on June 6th, 2020 @ 12:21am CDT
Rodimus Prime wrote:So I just thought of something. Since now there's a way for SS to involve non-Bayverse characters, can this merger of sorts work in the other direction? Could we see a Titan Class SS figure in the future? Like maybe that Devy box set that was brought up before? Or *gasp* Shockwave's driller that either Shockwave might actually fit into somehow? I can't really think of any more G1 candidates for Titan Class, besides repaints. Even though I wish Armada Tidal Wave was considered. Yeah, this is all way out there, but I have an active imagination. :-D

It would be cool to see a Studio Series Titan class release, but with the Devy boxset's pricetag of $300-something, it is way beyond Titan class.
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Posted by Sentinel_Primal on June 6th, 2020 @ 12:33am CDT
Rodimus Prime wrote:So I just thought of something. Since now there's a way for SS to involve non-Bayverse characters, can this merger of sorts work in the other direction? Could we see a Titan Class SS figure in the future? Like maybe that Devy box set that was brought up before? Or *gasp* Shockwave's driller that either Shockwave might actually fit into somehow? I can't really think of any more G1 candidates for Titan Class, besides repaints. Even though I wish Armada Tidal Wave was considered. Yeah, this is all way out there, but I have an active imagination. :-D

... Great, now I'm gonna be hoping for more Beast Wars, and a titan class Dragonstorm combiner :lol: I doubt the Driller will be considered because of how it can't transform, but that'd be cool too
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Posted by william-james88 on June 6th, 2020 @ 12:46am CDT
Rodimus Prime wrote:So I just thought of something. Since now there's a way for SS to involve non-Bayverse characters, can this merger of sorts work in the other direction?

Don't most fans think the Bumblebee movie is not part of Bayverse? Because if so then SS has involved non Bayverse for a while.
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Posted by Deadput on June 6th, 2020 @ 1:01am CDT
william-james88 wrote:
Rodimus Prime wrote:So I just thought of something. Since now there's a way for SS to involve non-Bayverse characters, can this merger of sorts work in the other direction?

Don't most fans think the Bumblebee movie is not part of Bayverse? Because if so then SS has involved non Bayverse for a while.


While that's the preferred mindset, there is no doubt that Bumblebee was once meant to be part of it and at the very least the first few BB movie figures (Bee and Helicoptor Dropkick) were made in mind for that.

Although I think the whole 1986 thing just confirms that Studio Series can probably apply to any Transformers movie not just the live action ones now.

Also if Dino is coming I will be so happy, him and Jolt are my two fave Autobot designs in the franchise period, I need my two blady-whip bois.
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Posted by Rodimus Prime on June 6th, 2020 @ 1:57am CDT
Sentinel_Primal wrote:
Rodimus Prime wrote:So I just thought of something. Since now there's a way for SS to involve non-Bayverse characters, can this merger of sorts work in the other direction? Could we see a Titan Class SS figure in the future? Like maybe that Devy box set that was brought up before? Or *gasp* Shockwave's driller that either Shockwave might actually fit into somehow? I can't really think of any more G1 candidates for Titan Class, besides repaints. Even though I wish Armada Tidal Wave was considered. Yeah, this is all way out there, but I have an active imagination. :-D

... Great, now I'm gonna be hoping for more Beast Wars, and a titan class Dragonstorm combiner
wow I actually forgot about that. It's supposed to be 12 of them combined, right? Do 12 deluxes make a Titan Class? Price-wise it would be $240, so probably not, unless they drop the price since there's no need for individual packaging.
I doubt the Driller will be considered because of how it can't transform, but that'd be cool too
How do you know it can't? Just because we didn't see it on screen doesn't mean it can't. Unless it was specified in a comic or something. Shockwave never transformed either, but he got a half-assed vehicle mode. Maybe they can use the expand/contract mechanism they used for Commander Class Sky Lynx's neck to turn him from a giant snake to some kind of space vehicle for Shockwave to fly in.

How about a Titan Class Infernocus? Or at least a Commander Class.
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Posted by Burn on June 6th, 2020 @ 2:35am CDT
I get the rage at the thought of the '86 movie being included in SS, and I support that rage.

But I have to wonder why so many support Studio Series. When a movie is out, they release figures, then a handful of years later, they appear in SS as much better versions.

Why then, is there no rage against Hasbro for putting out a product, only to improve on it less than 10 years later?
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Posted by Sentinel_Primal on June 6th, 2020 @ 2:36am CDT
Rodimus Prime wrote:
I doubt the Driller will be considered because of how it can't transform, but that'd be cool too
How do you know it can't? Just because we didn't see it on screen doesn't mean it can't. Unless it was specified in a comic or something. Shockwave never transformed either, but he got a half-assed vehicle mode. Maybe they can use the expand/contract mechanism they used for Commander Class Sky Lynx's neck to turn him from a giant snake to some kind of space vehicle for Shockwave to fly in.

How about a Titan Class Infernocus? Or at least a Commander Class.

Honestly I forgot that Shockwave didn't transform in the movie. I haven't rewatched the movies in a a couple years, but now that you mention the expanding/contracting idea, I could see it being a "Cybertronian Drill Tank" or something. It'd be interesting to see
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Posted by ZeroWolf on June 6th, 2020 @ 2:39am CDT
Deadput wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
Rodimus Prime wrote:So I just thought of something. Since now there's a way for SS to involve non-Bayverse characters, can this merger of sorts work in the other direction?

Don't most fans think the Bumblebee movie is not part of Bayverse? Because if so then SS has involved non Bayverse for a while.


While that's the preferred mindset, there is no doubt that Bumblebee was once meant to be part of it and at the very least the first few BB movie figures (Bee and Helicoptor Dropkick) were made in mind for that.

Although I think the whole 1986 thing just confirms that Studio Series can probably apply to any Transformers movie not just the live action ones now.

Also if Dino is coming I will be so happy, him and Jolt are my two fave Autobot designs in the franchise period, I need my two blady-whip bois.

Well you say all movies but there isn't exactly a big number of other movies besides the ones that started in 07. You have the 86 movie... And...the Beast Wars II movie... That's it :lol: I also can't see BWII toys popping up as that movie was only ever released in Japan, which leaves us with... The 86 movie. I see people throwing out Predacons Rising but that was only a TV movie, was never released in theatres like all the rest (and the new ones coming)
Re: New Studio Series Listings Confirm 86 TF Movie Characters Coming Along with More Bayverse Toys (2066730)
Posted by Sentinel_Primal on June 6th, 2020 @ 2:44am CDT
Burn wrote:I get the rage at the thought of the '86 movie being included in SS, and I support that rage.

But I have to wonder why so many support Studio Series. When a movie is out, they release figures, then a handful of years later, they appear in SS as much better versions.

Why then, is there no rage against Hasbro for putting out a product, only to improve on it less than 10 years later?

Honestly, I think it's because it's such a drastic update in some cases. I had the ROTF Optimus voyager repaint, but there's no comparison between that and Studio Series Prime. Some of them get the "premium paint" like Nitro Zeus and Cogman, but mostly it's improved versions that are still different enough to justify it. Though, I remember how mad I was when they announced Jetfire that I had to get a second Studio Series Prime that only had a couple changes.

Though, these days Hasbro's able to sell me on G1 Prime's dead body, so I feel like my opinion's lost whatever value it held :lol:
Re: New Studio Series Listings Confirm 86 TF Movie Characters Coming Along with More Bayverse Toys (2066737)
Posted by Rodimus Prime on June 6th, 2020 @ 5:55am CDT
Burn wrote:Why then, is there no rage against Hasbro for putting out a product, only to improve on it less than 10 years later?
I can't speak for anyone else, but from me there's no rage for a few reasons:

1) I'm not that vested in the movie figures, because I'm not that vested in the characters they're based on or the movies themselves. So even though I have a box full of loose figures from the lines of the first 3 films, I still bought a bunch of SS stuff. Too many, in fact. I have Primes and Megatrons from the Wahlberg films, but that's about it. However, I have lost much of the zeal for them, and 90% of them will be going on the market here soon. (So if any of you want any movie figures that are reasonably priced, PM me or look for my BST thread. :P )

2) Engineering and design have improved quite a bit since 2007. Hell, there was even a big difference between the toys of the 1st movie and DoTM. So even though they're figures of the same characters, the SS versions are much improved upon. And we all know the Transformers fan's never-ending pursuit of the perfect figure/line. It allowed us all to get suckered into Masterpiece.

3) Hasbro's need/obsession of streamlining. In other lines and fiction, they call it Aligning. With SS every figure from all movies are to scale with each other in robot mode, designed to on-screen accuracy. So every figure, no matter which character it represents, has a definite spot in the Bayverse collection. Whereas Generations represents a hodgepodge of characters and continuities, SS is like 1 huge puzzle, with all the figures involved being a specific piece. And all the pieces have to be just right, otherwise the puzzle doesn't work. Once SS is said and done, those who got every single figure will be able to set up a giant table and put all the figures on it in a huge display and they will have the perfect Bayverse 3D puzzle.

I'm sure there are other reasons, for me those come to mind. At this time I'm debating whether to keep collecting SS or give up, because having every figure will be a very costly project. And honestly, I'm not a big fan of the movies. I enjoy watching them about once a year and that's it.
Re: New Studio Series Listings Confirm 86 TF Movie Characters Coming Along with More Bayverse Toys (2066758)
Posted by Evil Eye on June 6th, 2020 @ 6:37am CDT
Speaking as someone that likes having options and just likes cool toys, the whole upgrade thing doesn't bother me massively. Advances in technology are inevitable, it makes sense that a toy from a decade ago could do with a modern remake. Things like Cogman are slightly more annoying (in a "Why didn't we get this mold painted like that to begin with!??!" way) but it's still nice to get them done properly eventually.
Re: New Studio Series Listings Confirm 86 TF Movie Characters Coming Along with More Bayverse Toys (2066762)
Posted by blackeyedprime on June 6th, 2020 @ 6:51am CDT
I'm not sure I can consider studio series upgrades from the figures I've had, they are pretty much more budget type versions of older figures at a higher price tag.

Ss ratchet really sucked and was out of scale, the first ratchet being a voyager might be an unfair comparrison but when it was cheaper than the studio series it's another low blow.
Mixmasters truck mode pales in comparrison, yeagh it can combine now but its not as though completed devy is great.
Sideswipe vs the mech alive/moving pistons figure was also a down grade.
Ss first Camaro bee that may look better than some other bees but falls apart.
Re: New Studio Series Listings Confirm 86 TF Movie Characters Coming Along with More Bayverse Toys (2066819)
Posted by TulioDude on June 6th, 2020 @ 10:19am CDT
A Titan-Class Dragonstorm would be awesome,but he would be even more intricate than Devastator.

Deadput wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
Rodimus Prime wrote:So I just thought of something. Since now there's a way for SS to involve non-Bayverse characters, can this merger of sorts work in the other direction?

Don't most fans think the Bumblebee movie is not part of Bayverse? Because if so then SS has involved non Bayverse for a while.


While that's the preferred mindset, there is no doubt that Bumblebee was once meant to be part of it and at the very least the first few BB movie figures (Bee and Helicoptor Dropkick) were made in mind for that.



While I can agree that continuity could have been better established,saying that Bumblebee is completely separate,is mostly fanon.I see some people repeating that in hope that becomes canon.
Re: New Studio Series Listings Confirm 86 TF Movie Characters Coming Along with More Bayverse Toys (2066822)
Posted by EvasionModeBumblebee on June 6th, 2020 @ 10:24am CDT
Like Rodimus said, Transformer engineering (and sculpting) have come a long way since 2007. A lot of the older toys are still very fun and I’m glad I have them, but Studio Series blows them away in terms of accuracy, and they’re all (more or less) in scale. I’m not mad about it at all, that’s what I love about Studio Series!
Re: New Studio Series Listings Confirm 86 TF Movie Characters Coming Along with More Bayverse Toys (2066903)
Posted by Munkky on June 6th, 2020 @ 2:07pm CDT
I'm not sure how I feel about 1986 movie characters in the Studio Series line. I mean the movie was an actual theatrical movie so I guess it makes sense, but if it's the likes of Grimlock and Sharkticons, why not just put those figures in Earthrise or whatever part 3 of the War for Cybertron trilogy ends up being? Earthrise has toys of the Quintesson Judge and Allicons, so it's not like Sharkticons would be out of place in Earthrise or anything. And if you want GEEWUN in Studio Series, well, the first five minutes of Bumblebee has plenty of designs like Brawn, Arcee and Soundwave that would make decent toys.
Granted, Studio Series has been going non-stop for two years now, and the next movie is another two years away so if the line is continuing until then it'll need enough characters to make into new toys. But there are still a lot of Bayverse Transformers that haven't made it into this line yet; The Fallen, Hound, Crosshairs, Que, Onslaught, the other Dinobots (seriously it's been two years, why hasn't this happened yet?), Hot Rod in his Lamborghini form, Drift in his Bugatti form, Sideways or Dino if Hasbro can get the rights to their vehicle modes, that's almost a full year of potential product right there. So I'd be tempted to say the inclusion of 1986 movie characters is scraping the bottom of the barrel, but we're not at the bottom of this particular barrel yet.
Re: New Studio Series Listings Confirm 86 TF Movie Characters Coming Along with More Bayverse Toys (2066904)
Posted by Sentinel_Primal on June 6th, 2020 @ 2:12pm CDT
Munkky wrote:I'm not sure how I feel about 1986 movie characters in the Studio Series line. I mean the movie was an actual theatrical movie so I guess it makes sense, but if it's the likes of Grimlock and Sharkticons, why not just put those figures in Earthrise or whatever part 3 of the War for Cybertron trilogy ends up being? Earthrise has toys of the Quintesson Judge and Allicons, so it's not like Sharkticons would be out of place in Earthrise or anything. And if you want GEEWUN in Studio Series, well, the first five minutes of Bumblebee has plenty of designs like Brawn, Arcee and Soundwave that would make decent toys.
Granted, Studio Series has been going non-stop for two years now, and the next movie is another two years away so if the line is continuing until then it'll need enough characters to make into new toys. But there are still a lot of Bayverse Transformers that haven't made it into this line yet; The Fallen, Hound, Crosshairs, Que, Onslaught, the other Dinobots (seriously it's been two years, why hasn't this happened yet?), Hot Rod in his Lamborghini form, Drift in his Bugatti form, Sideways or Dino if Hasbro can get the rights to their vehicle modes, that's almost a full year of potential product right there. So I'd be tempted to say the inclusion of 1986 movie characters is scraping the bottom of the barrel, but we're not at the bottom of this particular barrel yet.

Dino's supposedly coming as he was listed in the latest round of leaks

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