New Images of Transformers Optimus Primal, Rattrap and Cheetor

Arm cannons on BOTH arms? Nice.

Definitely picking up Prime and Cheetor, they'll go great with Generations Rhinox. Will probably skip Rattrap just because I already have the Generations version, but he looks like a decent version if you didn't pick that up earlier.

Now I just need to see a new Dinobot to complete the original five...

I like the figures well enough, and Primal's robot mode is great, but is it just me or is the face on the ape mode just too off? Like he has a pout/defiant look that I don't remember him having in the entire run of the show?

Rodimus Prime wrote:I like the figures well enough, and Primal's robot mode is great, but is it just me or is the face on the ape mode just too off? Like he has a pout/defiant look that I don't remember him having in the entire run of the show?

Eh, he's just tired of Rattrap and Dinobot being at each other's throats.
I'm more concerned about the lower abdomen on Boss Monkey as I still can't tell if it is supposed to be a mis-transformed rump, or he's taking a few design ques from Heinrad. The furry portion there just seems so out of place and hanging down awkwardly.

I am going to find a way to get the big purple dino though. I'm loving how realistic they're making him. I'm also curious on how the rumored Dinobot will look.

Rodimus Prime wrote:I like the figures well enough, and Primal's robot mode is great, but is it just me or is the face on the ape mode just too off? Like he has a pout/defiant look that I don't remember him having in the entire run of the show?

It's trying to be more like a realistic gorilla face instead of based on the cartoon model.

That Cheetor is an easy pass for me. I don't really like his beast head's moustache. That Primal and Rattrap though I need.

I had similar concerns about Primal, but it seems it's more realistic/accurate once I viewed real photos of gorillas. It's not exact, but it's not the King Kong style that the Beast Wars cartoon had.







Which it appears that his lower adbdomen hair is absent from his character model and subsequent toys, but I can't find a real world precedence for that yet, which I've never known until now.

Sabrblade wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:I like the figures well enough, and Primal's robot mode is great, but is it just me or is the face on the ape mode just too off? Like he has a pout/defiant look that I don't remember him having in the entire run of the show?

It's trying to be more like a realistic gorilla face instead of based on the cartoon model.

But why? Isn't the toyline supposed to be accurate to the onscreen characters? (Even if apparently the character model isn't accurate.) Does the MP figure have the hairy torso?

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:I like the figures well enough, and Primal's robot mode is great, but is it just me or is the face on the ape mode just too off? Like he has a pout/defiant look that I don't remember him having in the entire run of the show?

It's trying to be more like a realistic gorilla face instead of based on the cartoon model.

But why? Isn't the toyline supposed to be accurate to the onscreen characters? (Even if apparently the character model isn't accurate.) Does the MP figure have the hairy torso?

Kingdom's goal is realistic beast modes, accurate robot modes, unlike with the G1 guys where it's accuracy for both modes

See, even Takara Tomy can mistransform things every now and then (bot hands are exposed).

And am I the only one that finds this a little horrifying?



Something about a robot covered in bones feels a little gory, even knowing it's a robot in the shape of bones. I wonder how parents will feel about it?

Emerje

Feels more like Hoist is trying to join/start a heavy metal band...Which I'm down for (hey hasbro how about another whack at the Knights of Unicron band include enough Fossilizers for the whole band to get dressed up!)

ZeroWolf wrote:Feels more like Hoist is trying to join/start a heavy metal band...Which I'm down for (hey hasbro how about another whack at the Knights of Unicron band include enough Fossilizers for the whole band to get dressed up!)

Hah! Hoist is the new lead of GWAR!



Would totally buy that.

Emerje

Rattrap and Cheetor are a huge "meh" for me. The hollow parts that are in-your-face aint doing any favor. But that Optimus Primal, now what a beauty! I'll be sure to get him and Megs.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Rodimus Prime wrote:I like the figures well enough, and Primal's robot mode is great, but is it just me or is the face on the ape mode just too off? Like he has a pout/defiant look that I don't remember him having in the entire run of the show?

It's trying to be more like a realistic gorilla face instead of based on the cartoon model.

But why? Isn't the toyline supposed to be accurate to the onscreen characters?

No, the goal seems to simply bring the beast characters back for a new generation.
And the MP did not have hair on its belly, since the goal of that line is screen accuracy.

Spider5800 wrote:Now I just need to see a new Dinobot to complete the original five...

LETS GOOOOOOOO

Seibertron wrote:Which it appears that his lower adbdomen hair is absent from his character model and subsequent toys, but I can't find a real world precedence for that yet, which I've never known until now.[/img]

Lol, see, you can learn things from playing with toys.

Question for the forum: how would you compare contrast purchases / preorders / memberships between TFsource and BigBadToyStore? Prices look the same, I see this Pile of Loot feature on BBTS, I see "source points" on TFsource, but it's not obvious to me which might be "better" or which one I might prefer over the other. Does anyone on here have a preference for one over the other? (Am I asking this in the wrong thread btw?)

Poly Wraith wrote:Question for the forum: how would you compare contrast purchases / preorders / memberships between TFsource and BigBadToyStore? Prices look the same, I see this Pile of Loot feature on BBTS, I see "source points" on TFsource, but it's not obvious to me which might be "better" or which one I might prefer over the other. Does anyone on here have a preference for one over the other? (Am I asking this in the wrong thread btw?)

I use BBTS more because they have good costumer service and use tfsoure as back up if I can't get from BBTS

Poly Wraith wrote:Question for the forum: how would you compare contrast purchases / preorders / memberships between TFsource and BigBadToyStore? Prices look the same, I see this Pile of Loot feature on BBTS, I see "source points" on TFsource, but it's not obvious to me which might be "better" or which one I might prefer over the other. Does anyone on here have a preference for one over the other? (Am I asking this in the wrong thread btw?)

I use both and have had good experience with both. The Pile of Loot feature at BBTS is very helpful and TFSource has their own equivalent called the Stack that basically functions the same way. The one thing I prefer with TFSource over BBTS is that TFSource has free shipping on orders at $150 or higher, while BBTS has a $4 flat rate shipping option that still charges me extra on the order's tax since I live in a state that BBTS charges tax on orders. So with TFSource's order stacking, I can get free shipping if I bundle together enough purchases in my Stack to equal $150, whereas with BBTS they add the tax cost to the $4 shipping cost so that I always end up paying more than just the $4 shipping price.

I just realized: None of the listings say that Black Arachnia comes with an alternate faceplate. Which means that it's designed for a different character, but who else could they get from that mold? It doesn't look anything like Tarantulas' headsculpt, so is it for a SELECTS figure?

Sabrblade wrote:I use both and have had good experience with both. The Pile of Loot feature at BBTS is very helpful and TFSource has their own equivalent called the Stack that basically functions the same way. The one thing I prefer with TFSource over BBTS is that TFSource has free shipping on orders at $150 or higher, while BBTS has a $4 flat rate shipping option that still charges me extra on the order's tax since I live in a state that BBTS charges tax on orders. So with TFSource's order stacking, I can get free shipping if I bundle together enough purchases in my Stack to equal $150, whereas with BBTS they add the tax cost to the $4 shipping cost so that I always end up paying more than just the $4 shipping price.

Good info. Thank you.

Poly Wraith wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:I use both and have had good experience with both. The Pile of Loot feature at BBTS is very helpful and TFSource has their own equivalent called the Stack that basically functions the same way. The one thing I prefer with TFSource over BBTS is that TFSource has free shipping on orders at $150 or higher, while BBTS has a $4 flat rate shipping option that still charges me extra on the order's tax since I live in a state that BBTS charges tax on orders. So with TFSource's order stacking, I can get free shipping if I bundle together enough purchases in my Stack to equal $150, whereas with BBTS they add the tax cost to the $4 shipping cost so that I always end up paying more than just the $4 shipping price.

Good info. Thank you.

Of course, the tax doesn't apply with every state. Users on here have mentioned that they aren't charged any tax and get to pay only the $4 shipping on any and all of their BBTS orders.

Really looking forward to the beasts, every photo makes me more and more excited for them to arrive

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Really looking forward to the beasts, every photo makes me more and more excited for them to arrive

Same here, those photos got me to go ahead and pre-order Primal when I wasn't going to buy the toy at all at one point...hahaha. I'm excited to finally get Primal and Cheetor in the mail.

Question: people have been saying that the new Jazz figure will be a part of some kind of S86 or Studio 86 toyline (is that the name?). What is that, and also, is there any hope of a Jazz figure in that toyline having 5mm points on it, allowing for Weaponizers / Fossilizers / Battle Masters?

Poly Wraith wrote:Question: people have been saying that the new Jazz figure will be a part of some kind of S86 or Studio 86 toyline (is that the name?). What is that, and also, is there any hope of a Jazz figure in that toyline having 5mm points on it, allowing for Weaponizers / Fossilizers / Battle Masters?

It's gonna be a new subline of Studio Series for the 1986 movie, and it's doubtful that he'll have any compatibility with the COMBAT system as a result. Though, he may still have the impact points if that's of importance to you

All we have about the Studio Series '86 line is leaks, no official word on it, but it seems like it will focus on '86 Movie & Season 3 characters (Except for Ultra Magnus, Cyclonus and Galvatron, who're going to be a part of Kingdom) There's reviews around of leaked Scourge, Hot Rod and Kup, and there's listings for a Leader class pack of Grimlock & Wheelie, and a Deluxe Jazz. The leaked figures look like they do have 5mm holes, and at least some of their accessories seem compatible with WFC blast effects.

Sentinel_Primal wrote:

Poly Wraith wrote:Question: people have been saying that the new Jazz figure will be a part of some kind of S86 or Studio 86 toyline (is that the name?). What is that, and also, is there any hope of a Jazz figure in that toyline having 5mm points on it, allowing for Weaponizers / Fossilizers / Battle Masters?

It's gonna be a new subline of Studio Series for the 1986 movie, and it's doubtful that he'll have any compatibility with the COMBAT system as a result. Though, he may still have the impact points if that's of importance to you

Ok that's great info. My bro and I loved the 86 movie growing up in the 90s/2000s so that's really cool news. From what I understand, so far SS has been dedicated just to the live action films, right? I didn't see any info on this S86 line on tfwiki but maybe I didn't look hard enough. I'll dig around here on Seibertron.

I just like the C.O.M.B.A.T. system but haven't found the right deluxe figure for me yet. Jazz was my last hope until someone said he wouldn't be in WFC, so it crossed my mind to just see if maybe he'd still be compatible regardless.

You won't find anything on the wiki yet because it's all leaks. Check my comment.

Poly Wraith wrote:[I didn't see any info on this S86 line on tfwiki but maybe I didn't look hard enough.

You are correct that there isn't info about it on TFWiki. That's because the line still hasn't been officially announced by Hasbro yet, and TFWiki can only post official info when it comes to new toys. The only reason we fans even know about this unannounced stuff is because of people leaking information out to us far ahead of when Hasbro is supposed to unveil it. Technically-speaking, we're not yet supposed to know anything about this upcoming stuff, but we do thanks to all the leaks.

Again, thanks for the responses, Rtron, sorry, I re-read and when you said "we only have leaks" that means that it ain't on tfwiki yet. Gotcha.

Poly Wraith wrote:Again, thanks for the responses, Rtron, sorry, I re-read and when you said "we only have leaks" that means that it ain't on tfwiki yet. Gotcha.

Don't worry, sorry if the comment sounded testy or agressive, I have trouble communicating tone through text.

I know preorders have been a hassle recently, but I couldn't resist and preordered Cyclonus through Amazon. Relative to these being toys, I haven't been this excited about TF since UW.

Rtron wrote:

Poly Wraith wrote:Again, thanks for the responses, Rtron, sorry, I re-read and when you said "we only have leaks" that means that it ain't on tfwiki yet. Gotcha.

Don't worry, sorry if the comment sounded testy or agressive, I have trouble communicating tone through text.

All good.

Sowndwave76 wrote:I know preorders have been a hassle recently, but I couldn't resist and preordered Cyclonus through Amazon. Relative to these being toys, I haven't been this excited about TF since UW.

I just did the same thing...pre-ordered V. Optimus Primal yesterday on BigBadToyStore. I got Cheetor on Target so we'll see what happens. I've never pre-ordered anything before, really, and hearing all the complaints makes me wonder what figure will show up when and how much frustration I'll have to go through before it's all said and done (hoping little-to-none).

Poly Wraith wrote:

Sowndwave76 wrote:I know preorders have been a hassle recently, but I couldn't resist and preordered Cyclonus through Amazon. Relative to these being toys, I haven't been this excited about TF since UW.

I just did the same thing...pre-ordered V. Optimus Primal yesterday on BigBadToyStore. I got Cheetor on Target so we'll see what happens. I've never pre-ordered anything before, really, and hearing all the complaints makes me wonder what figure will show up when and how much frustration I'll have to go through before it's all said and done (hoping little-to-none).

I hadn't had any issues and am really lucky that I received by seeker conehead two pack with zero issues...
I think the biggest thing right now with preorders is the release/delivery dates changing and getting pushed back. Which is annoying, but in the grand scheme, if I still get what I paid for, it's not a huge deal to me... Especially because I am pretty good about only buying the figures I really want. I'm used to being patient and waiting.

Sowndwave76 wrote:I think the biggest thing right now with preorders is the release/delivery dates changing and getting pushed back. Which is annoying, but in the grand scheme, if I still get what I paid for, it's not a huge deal to me... Especially because I am pretty good about only buying the figures I really want. I'm used to being patient and waiting.

Nice. Maybe you should up your Endurance stat in your sidebar to 8 or 9? Lol
I'm hoping to follow your example in the coming months.

A hopeful reminder for those who have despaired over 'character x from the portrait got cut from the listings/was scrapped': the leaks we have are specifically for the mass retail lineup, the toys that go to every store equally. It very specifically does not take into account store exclusives. If we take a look at the first two wfc lines, a significant portion of the lines were exclusive to one store or another, moreso if one counts the netflix subline and selects releases of those molds as well. I put together a list by line, ignoring store and omitting names of same character redecos and battle masters for brevity's sake. (But still noting their presence)

Siege: 19 new dlx+ characters, 13 deluxe+ same char redecos, 20 MM/BM across 7 standalone releases, 2 sublines +selects
Greenlight +BM
Alphastrike with Slamdance +redeco & BM
Phantomstrike with Skywarp +3 BM
Fan vote 3pack with Aragorn +2 new head retools
Rainmaker 3pack with Acid Storm, Ion Storm, Nova Storm
Micromaster 10pack
Ratchet
35th Soundblaster, bluestreak +2 redecos
Siege Selects Red Wing, Cromar, zetar, lancer, nightbird, hot shot, smokescreen +2 redecos
Netflix wave 1 scrapface, hotlink +6 redeco & 5 BM

Earthrise: 26 new, 8 redeco, 4 TR rerelease, 15-16 MM/BM and counting across 9 standalone, 2 sublines +selects
Thrust
Seeker 2pack with Skywarp, thundercracker
decepticlone 2pack TR rerelease
runabout
dead optimus redeco
Conehead 2pack with dirge, ramjet
autobot 2pack with ironhide, prowl
odyssey paradron 2pack ratchet, lifeline
odyssey micron micromaster 6pack
odyssey biosfera autoclone TR rerelease
Centurion weapons pack *if counting its ER ID
Bluestreak
netflix wave 2 bumblebee, elita, soundwave, nemesis +4 redeco & 5-6 BM *giza is weird
selects exhaust, greasepit, hubcap, bug bite, hothouse, tigertrack, rotorstorm, roritchi, sandstorm, cordon/spinout +3 redecos* (counting SG here) & 4 bm
2 more odyssey sets

For good or for ill, a solid third of the line isn't included in the mass retail list. Admittedly, none of these were entirely new molds, merely extensive retools at best, so new molds might be off the table, but I'm holding out hope.

alekese wrote:A hopeful reminder for those who have despaired over 'character x from the portrait got cut from the listings/was scrapped': the leaks we have are specifically for the mass retail lineup, the toys that go to every store equally. It very specifically does not take into account store exclusives. If we take a look at the first two wfc lines, a significant portion of the lines were exclusive to one store or another, moreso if one counts the netflix subline and selects releases of those molds as well. I put together a list by line, ignoring store and omitting names of same character redecos and battle masters for brevity's sake. (But still noting their presence)

Siege: 19 new dlx+ characters, 13 deluxe+ same char redecos, 20 MM/BM across 7 standalone releases, 2 sublines +selects
Greenlight +BM
Alphastrike with Slamdance +redeco & BM
Phantomstrike with Skywarp +3 BM
Fan vote 3pack with Aragorn +2 new head retools
Rainmaker 3pack with Acid Storm, Ion Storm, Nova Storm
Micromaster 10pack
Ratchet
35th Soundblaster, bluestreak +2 redecos
Siege Selects Red Wing, Cromar, zetar, lancer, nightbird, hot shot, smokescreen +2 redecos
Netflix wave 1 scrapface, hotlink +6 redeco & 5 BM

Earthrise: 26 new, 8 redeco, 4 TR rerelease, 15-16 MM/BM and counting across 9 standalone, 2 sublines +selects
Thrust
Seeker 2pack with Skywarp, thundercracker
decepticlone 2pack TR rerelease
runabout
dead optimus redeco
Conehead 2pack with dirge, ramjet
autobot 2pack with ironhide, prowl
odyssey paradron 2pack ratchet, lifeline
odyssey micron micromaster 6pack
odyssey biosfera autoclone TR rerelease
Centurion weapons pack *if counting its ER ID
Bluestreak
netflix wave 2 bumblebee, elita, soundwave, nemesis +4 redeco & 5-6 BM *giza is weird
selects exhaust, greasepit, hubcap, bug bite, hothouse, tigertrack, rotorstorm, roritchi, sandstorm, cordon/spinout +3 redecos* (counting SG here) & 4 bm
2 more odyssey sets

For good or for ill, a solid third of the line isn't included in the mass retail list. Admittedly, none of these were entirely new molds, merely extensive retools at best, so new molds might be off the table, but I'm holding out hope.

*Deep sigh of relief *

Hope is just undiscovered disappointment.

Pretty sure the Titans Return mold rereleases are not part of the Earthrise line. They have their own unique G1-styled packaging like Back to the Future Gigawatt, and were said to be part of a line called "Retro Headmasters".

Sabrblade wrote:Pretty sure the Titans Return mold rereleases are not part of the Earthrise line. They have their own unique G1-styled packaging like Back to the Future Gigawatt, and were said to be part of a line called "Retro Headmasters".

I was refering to the legends class pounce/wingspan and fastlane/cloudraker two packs that were target and amazon exclusives respectively, which received either earthrise branding or were part of the galactic odyssey subline respectively. the only new reveals I included in that list were thrust, runabout and the micron pack. The retro headmaster deluxes are, as you said, their own separate thing.

william-james88 wrote:Hope is just undiscovered disappointment.

Disappointment is just misplaced hope.

Greetings Seibertronians! Takara Tomy have been busy on their twitter feed this week! Not only have they teased preorders opening up for the Transformers Fans First Fridays reveals (here and here), earlier they announced the preorders open for the first three figures from Transformers War for Cybertron Kingdom: KD 01 - Voyager Class Optimus Primal, KD - 02 Core Class Rattrap and KD 03 - Deluxe Class Cheetor. There is also new images accompanying the announcements, and in the case if Optimus Primal, comparisons with Siege Voyager Class Optimus Prime and Earthrise Leader Class Optimus Prime! Check out the new images below!

KD - 01 Voyager Class Optimus Primal











KD - 02 Core Class Rattrap





KD - 03 Deluxe Class Cheetor





These are expected to hit retail early next year.

Are you getting any of these? Let us know in the Energon Pub and stay tuned to Seibertron for all the latest news and reviews!

Primal looks so good. Rattrap keeps looking better to me (and more affordable than his T30 self). Cheetor's... Not perfect, but still better than nothing (I actually dig the tail axe, but the blue color keeps changing shades based on lighting so it's hard for me to know if I like the blue or not ). I'm still surprised at the fact that these guys are actually getting made, but it's such a fun experience seeing them get the same love that G1's been getting

That sexy ape will be mine!

Oh, these look so nice. 5mm hands and a Munky as big as Trukk! So glad I preordered all on Amazon, who knows when I'll get them but at least they've never canceled on me like Walmart or Target. I know Rattrap will fit in ER Prime's trailer but I wonder if Cheetor would too? That would make for some cool pics.

Primal is looking better and better
He looked pretty short in comparison to the primes though, im wondering if that was his stance and position in relation to them or if hes really that short

aronjlove wrote:Oh, these look so nice. 5mm hands and a Munky as big as Trukk! So glad I preordered all on Amazon, who knows when I'll get them but at least they've never canceled on me like Walmart or Target. I know Rattrap will fit in ER Prime's trailer but I wonder if Cheetor would too? That would make for some cool pics.

I was thinking the same about rattrap that would be so fun
And id like to think cheetor will fit as well, considering his beast mode isn't too wide and has enough articulation to crouch down

Razorbeast88 wrote:Primal is looking better and better
He looked pretty short in comparison to the primes though, im wondering if that was his stance and position in relation to them or if hes really that short

Primal is in more of a crouch than the Primes behind him, but with the perspective and angle of the photo, I cannot tell how much taller he will actually be with his legs straight.

Razorbeast88 wrote:I was thinking the same about rattrap that would be so fun
And id like to think cheetor will fit as well, considering his beast mode isn't too wide and has enough articulation to crouch down

You're right, looking at the beast-mode legs I now they did do a good job on the animal knees. Kitty crouched down in the back of the trailer with one of the Datsun bros trying to convince him to come out

what a missed opportunity. if they HAVE to be the same animals they had a chance here to make new cool looks for these animals and bot modes. like transmetals or something. there are so many molds of primal that exist already for example.

Cheetor -yes! Primal - yeeesssss!!! Rattrap, no freaking way. Those shoulders have turned me away since the first shots. I always say they are on sideways, face the sides not the front.