New Images of Million Publishing exclusive GoShooter
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Posted by Sabrblade on August 12th, 2014 @ 12:49pm CDT
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on August 12th, 2014 @ 12:58pm CDT
It makes me wonder if that's the reason why Gen. Bumblebee was used for Nightbeat/Siren instead of RtS Jazz.
Posted by Skywarp64 on August 12th, 2014 @ 1:43pm CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on August 12th, 2014 @ 1:48pm CDT
He is not a nobody in Japan, where this poll was aimed at. Japan got many many more iconic, beloved, very popular G1 characters that the Western World never got. It's like when Star Saber won the Masterpiece Fans Choice poll. These characters won these Japanese polls because they're very darn popular characters in Japan.Skywarp64 wrote:Still can't believe this utter nobody Go-Shooter was elected rather than Alpha Trion. So pissed at that.
And that Alpha Trion toy looked less like Alpha Trion and more like Scourge cosplaying as Alpha Trion.
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on August 12th, 2014 @ 1:51pm CDT
Skywarp64 wrote:Still can't believe this utter nobody Go-Shooter was elected rather than Alpha Trion. So pissed at that.
And we don't go BS crazy when an obscure character like Scoop gets a new toy?
Posted by gothsaurus on August 12th, 2014 @ 1:51pm CDT
That said, I DO really hope they re-visit the list they showed. Many — like Alpha Trion — deserve to be made. Police Sunstreaker also in my top choices.
As for the Omnibots... I hope they get their own new molds. While they were at the top of my choices, they were each admittedly a little off.
Posted by Flashwave on August 12th, 2014 @ 2:07pm CDT
Posted by K2vox on August 12th, 2014 @ 2:24pm CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on August 12th, 2014 @ 2:27pm CDT
Unpaintable nylon plastic. Molded on the same sprue as other parts of his robot mode that need to be blue. Can't be helped.K2vox wrote:WTF is with that stupid blue panel right by the door??? Talk about a fail. All the other paint apps look good but geez.. throw this toy in the garbage!
Posted by Rated X on August 12th, 2014 @ 4:30pm CDT
So goshooter is supposed to be a gobot ? I cant believe they voted for this over alpha trion, silverbolt and the omnibots.
Posted by ZeroWolf on August 12th, 2014 @ 4:31pm CDT
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Skywarp64 wrote:Still can't believe this utter nobody Go-Shooter was elected rather than Alpha Trion. So pissed at that.
And we don't go BS crazy when an obscure character like Scoop gets a new toy?
I think the original concept of the poll escaped him, but still, being that annoyed at the results is a bit strange, considering we would have to import regardless of who won
Posted by Sabrblade on August 12th, 2014 @ 4:41pm CDT
No, JelZe was teasing with you.Rated X wrote:So goshooter is supposed to be a gobot ?
I explained who he is here:
Sabrblade wrote:I'll do JelZe to favor of say, yes, he is a G1 character, and a well done one at that.Rated X wrote:All the cool choices and the fans chose the crappiest character using the crappiest mold ? Who is this guy ? Is he even G1 ?
Goshooter, better known as Shuta Go, was one of the Autobot Headmaster Juniors from the Japanese Super-God Masterforce cartoon. His toy was a redeco of the G1 Siren toy.
However, don't let that video clip fool you. Though he looks to be a mere human merging with a lifeless Transformer body when he transforms into robot mode in this video, the end of the series had all of the human-bonded TFs gaining their own life and separating from the humans completely, no longer needing them anymore.
This new toy of Goshooter represents the fully-living robot version of him after that series, so there's no need to worry about some human boding with him to give him life. But, the little Targetmaster this toy comes with is meant to be that same human, by now grown up into an adult, likely wearing a Targetmaster exosuit like those we saw the G1 Targetmasters wearing in the three-part G1 cartoon episode "The Rebirth".
Posted by gothsaurus on August 12th, 2014 @ 5:07pm CDT
I mean, look at the Protectobot set... they're getting some repaint value out of those guys... and still, I'm loving it. If it's a good mold, bring on the retools and repaints.
Posted by ZeroWolf on August 12th, 2014 @ 5:13pm CDT
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on August 12th, 2014 @ 6:27pm CDT
Rated X wrote:So goshooter is supposed to be a gobot ? I cant believe they voted for this over alpha trion, silverbolt and the omnibots.
on so many levels, I thought the sarcasm was pretty obvious with the emoticon and hidden text.
Anyway, see Sabrblade's post just above mine. Seriously, it's like the third time he's told you.
Posted by jgilkinson on August 12th, 2014 @ 8:19pm CDT
Posted by shajaki on August 12th, 2014 @ 8:55pm CDT
BUT I LIKE IT. i like it, and want it. whyyyyyyy....
maybe its just the colors work well for me, the head sculpt, i dunno. but i like it. im confident after him being out for a while i get snag him for a discount. if so, he's so mine
Posted by Rated X on August 13th, 2014 @ 12:02am CDT
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Rated X wrote:So goshooter is supposed to be a gobot ? I cant believe they voted for this over alpha trion, silverbolt and the omnibots.
on so many levels, I thought the sarcasm was pretty obvious with the emoticon and hidden text.
Anyway, see Sabrblade's post just above mine. Seriously, it's like the third time he's told you.
I know very little about the Japanese G1 cartoons. I would watch them, but I just cant get past those annoying subtitles and voices that all sound like the same actor.
How many times was the mold used in Japan ?
Nightbeat
Minerva
Goshooter
Siren (never heard of him either)
Posted by Wolfman Jake on August 13th, 2014 @ 12:10am CDT
Rated X wrote:JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Rated X wrote:So goshooter is supposed to be a gobot ? I cant believe they voted for this over alpha trion, silverbolt and the omnibots.
on so many levels, I thought the sarcasm was pretty obvious with the emoticon and hidden text.
Anyway, see Sabrblade's post just above mine. Seriously, it's like the third time he's told you.
I know very little about the Japanese G1 cartoons. I would watch them, but I just cant get past those annoying subtitles and voices that all sound like the same actor.
How many times was the mold used in Japan ?
Nightbeat
Minerva
Goshooter
Siren (never heard of him either)
Nightbeat and Minerva shared a mold. Nightbeat was Hasbro's release. Minerva was Takara's mainline release, but a special mail-away version of her in Nightbeat's colors (though still identified as Minverva) was made available later on in Japan.
Siren and Goshooter shared a completely DIFFERENT mold. Siren was the Hasbro release while Goshooter was the Takara release. Again, a version of Goshooter with Siren's colors was available later on in Japan, but once more, it was presumably supposed to be the same character with a new paint scheme, not the Hasbro character.
You could learn quite a bit with just a few minutes or research on tfwiki.net or a similar Transformers database.
Posted by Razama on August 13th, 2014 @ 1:00am CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on August 13th, 2014 @ 1:09pm CDT
We keep trying to tell you who this guy is, but I can't for the life of me figure out why you're not getting what we're saying. It comes off as just making you look bad, and that's what we're trying to avoid, yet you still seem to not understand no matter how many times we try to explain to you who this guy is. It's really frustrating.Rated X wrote:I know very little about the Japanese G1 cartoons. I would watch them, but I just cant get past those annoying subtitles and voices that all sound like the same actor.
The clip I keep showing you barely even has any dialogue in it, and ALL of it is English words anyway, so you don't even have to bother reading what little subtitles there are. I think you're man enough to survive a mere 30 seconds of someone speaking English.
This mold? This particular Generations mold? Once. Only one time has it ever been used in Japan. As this toy: Generations Bumblebee Goldbug.Rated X wrote:How many times was the mold used in Japan ?
Any other release of it has been all Hasbro.
Rated X wrote:Nightbeat
Minerva
Goshooter
Siren (never heard of him either)
Okay...
I'm gonna take a deep breath... and try to clarify all this.
*deep breath*
Now, in 1988, Hasbro continued the Transformers line with many more toys of new characters who were created after the cartoon had ended. These included:
- the Powermasters,
- the Large Pretenders,
- the Pretender Beasts,
- the Pretender Vehicles,
- the Small Headmasters,
- the Small Targetmasters,
- the Sparkabots,
- the Firecons,
- the Triggerbots,
- the Triggercons,
- the Seacons,
- the Autobot Six Changer known as Quickswitch
- the Powermaster Mercenary known as Doubledealer
- and new Cassettes for both Autobot and Decepticon alike
For the Autobots, there were three Small Headmasters released:
- Siren w/ Quig - a fire chief Mazda RX-7
- Hosehead w/ Lug - a fire truck
- Nightbeat w/ Muzzle - a blue and yellow Porche 959
Here is what each of them looked like:
Siren w/ Quig
Hosehead w/ Lug
Nightbeat w/ Muzzle
When Japan created their Super-God Masterforce cartoon, they took the Small Headmasters and reworked them into a slightly different concept called "Headmaster Juniors". A Headmaster Junior is similar to a regular Headmaster from a Western perspective, except that the larger robot body, referred to in this version as a "Transtector", is lifeless, being driven and fully controlled by its Headmaster, who is not a Nebulan or an adult, but a teenage human. The head attaches to the body and forms a bond with it, granting the body life via the human that forms its head, who essentially becomes a Transformer in this supernatural science fiction process.
The three Autobot Headmaster Juniors were all new characters in Japan, different from their Hasbro counterparts. The toys of Siren and Nightbeat were redecoed to go with these new identities, while Hosehead's toy remained unchanged deco-wise.
- Siren was changed into Goshooter, better known as Shuta Go, whose toy was now a police car
- Hosehead was changed into Cab, whose toy stayed as a fire truck
- Nightbeat was changed into Minerva, who was a GIRL and whose toy was now a Porche ambulance
Goshooter (A.K.A. Shuta Go)
Cab (same toy as Hosehead)
Minerva
As a side note (and I only mention this because I know some are gonna point out that I didn't if I don't mention it), both the original Hasbro Siren and Nightbeat toys were later released in Japan as mail-away figures, who were now special toy versions of the Goshooter and Minerva characters, renamed "Goshooter Siren" and "Minerva Night Beat", respectively. But I digress.
Now, after all this, you may be wondering why the Japanese would use the Generations toy for Nightbeat as the base for a new toy of Goshooter. Would it not make more sense for them to redeco Nightbeat into Minerva? Or wouldn't it make more sense for there to first be a Generations Siren toy for them to make Goshooter from? Well, there is a very specific reason for their making a Goshooter out of Nightbeat instead of going with one of the other choices.
Back in the 1980's, when the folks who worked for Hasbro were making the commercials for the Hasbro toys and making the Marvel G1 comic books, for some unknown reason, the head designs for Nightbeat and Siren got swapped with each other somehow, and both the animators for the commercials and the artists for the comic books ended up drawing Siren with Nightbeat's toy face, and Nightbeat with Siren's toy face:
This was later corrected for Siren in later comic books created in the 21st Century by Dreamwave, Fun Publications, and IDW, but not for Nightbeat who, due to his becoming a very popular character, kept Siren's visor eyes in all of Nightbeat's future fiction to come, as the visored look had become an iconic look for Nightbeat. Thus, Generations Nightbeat has a visored face.
In Japan, however, Siren's and Nightbeat's counterparts, Goshooter and Minerva, did NOT have their head designs swapped, and so kept their respective toy head designs, with Goshooter having his toy's visored eyes.
Thus, the Japanese are using the visor-eyed Nightbeat toy to make a visor-eyed Goshooter toy, all thanks to Nightbeat's iconic head design having originally come from Siren, whom Goshooter was redecoed from.
If all that still doesn't help you to understand who this guy is and why this toy is being made, then I frankly don't know what else there is to do.
Posted by Peridot on August 15th, 2014 @ 6:19pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:In-depth explanation of a Japanese-exclusive repaint
Posted by Overcracker on August 16th, 2014 @ 11:18am CDT
I for one learned things I did not know. Thanks for that Sarblade.
Posted by RhA on August 16th, 2014 @ 2:41pm CDT
Posted by Madeus Prime on August 16th, 2014 @ 3:05pm CDT
Seriously, if you die, can I have your brain?
Posted by Sabrblade on August 16th, 2014 @ 3:07pm CDT
You and 63 others?Madeus Prime wrote:Seriously, if you die, can I have your brain?
Posted by Madeus Prime on August 16th, 2014 @ 9:08pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:You and 63 others?Madeus Prime wrote:Seriously, if you die, can I have your brain?
Hm...competition....I need that brain.
Posted by mooncake623 on August 25th, 2014 @ 11:16am CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on August 25th, 2014 @ 3:47pm CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on August 27th, 2014 @ 8:12am CDT
Fellow user Powered Convoy took the following pics:
Scan from the manga, wielded by Goshooter
Done in toy form with Astrotrain and Bumblebee:
Posted by mooncake623 on August 27th, 2014 @ 8:29am CDT
You can check out the image TFYUKI shared imbedded below.
Seibertron.com member Powered convoy also took a scan from the manga that shows off this gun mode being wielded by Goshooter
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on August 27th, 2014 @ 8:36am CDT
- Sixshot Wingwolf Mode
- Overlord Super Jet Mode
- Black Zarak Dakatsu Mode
Posted by hinomars19 on August 27th, 2014 @ 8:38am CDT
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Why does he have to be in storage right now
I still need to get Henkei Astrotrain. I much prefer that to Hasbro's toy white one I have. It just felt like a pointless double dip on a mold/character...however, If I get Henkei 'anime' Astro now, then white Astro can be Metroplex's new partner!
I can also cry into my knees over how never in a million (publishing ) years will I own Shouki! Why'd they have to make him homage Thunder Arrow/Skystalker? Must they make me want things I can not afford?
Posted by gothsaurus on August 27th, 2014 @ 9:17am CDT
Posted by Rated X on August 27th, 2014 @ 9:20am CDT
Posted by gothsaurus on August 27th, 2014 @ 9:27am CDT
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on August 27th, 2014 @ 9:42am CDT
gothsaurus wrote:Aw, come on, JelZe GoldRabbit. You gotta post pics if you're going to reference such awesome-ness.
As you wish:
Black Zarak Dakatsu Mode
Overloard Super Jet Mode
Sixshot will have to wait, but allow me to give you some trivia: his Brave series retool Shadowmaru from Brave Police J-Decker did not advertise the gun mode of the mold. However, the producers of the show did sneak it into a single episode:
Overgrown, Overcharged, Owned.
Posted by mooncake623 on August 27th, 2014 @ 9:44am CDT
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:gothsaurus wrote:Aw, come on, JelZe GoldRabbit. You gotta post pics if you're going to reference such awesome-ness.
As you wish:
Nice those pics are pretty sweet!
Rated X your turn I too would like to see this robot banana.
Posted by gothsaurus on August 27th, 2014 @ 10:03am CDT
Posted by Tigertrack on August 27th, 2014 @ 10:26am CDT
Shadowmaru wasted a lot of energy there. Should have had more enemies lined up in his sights first!
Thanks for sharing!
Posted by Sabrblade on August 27th, 2014 @ 1:04pm CDT
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Sixshot will have to wait,
Posted by gothsaurus on August 27th, 2014 @ 1:11pm CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on August 27th, 2014 @ 1:14pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:Done in toy form with Astrotrain and Bumblebee:
Posted by Mkall on August 27th, 2014 @ 1:19pm CDT
This reminds me of that series.
Posted by Flashwave on August 27th, 2014 @ 1:36pm CDT
Posted by Rated X on August 27th, 2014 @ 3:09pm CDT
mooncake623 wrote:JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:gothsaurus wrote:Aw, come on, JelZe GoldRabbit. You gotta post pics if you're going to reference such awesome-ness.
As you wish:
Nice those pics are pretty sweet!
Rated X your turn I too would like to see this robot banana.
Im at work until 900 PM EST but when I get home Ill break out my bananna.
Posted by Dr. Caelus on August 27th, 2014 @ 4:21pm CDT
Edit: Though my Cybertron Galvatron finally has a proper fusion cannon, now.
Posted by Noideaforaname on August 27th, 2014 @ 5:20pm CDT
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Let's add that to the list of "media-original modes":
I kinda wish we'd see some Western media make up new modes like that. If mostly for the impression that the show/comic/whatever creators are aware of how their characters function instead of just making up stuff "because it's cool" and leaving HasTak to figure the technical stuff...
Posted by Dr. Caelus on August 27th, 2014 @ 6:00pm CDT
Noideaforaname wrote:I kinda wish we'd see some Western media make up new modes like that. If mostly for the impression that the show/comic/whatever creators are aware of how their characters function instead of just making up stuff "because it's cool" and leaving HasTak to figure the technical stuff...
Yeah, the legacy's not so great. About the best we've had is Bulkhead's recliner mode in Transformers: Animated. Beast Wars had some great 'made up' weapons, like Tarantulas' shoulder cannon batteries, but that's not really the same...
Of course, for the more recent comics, there's a fair bit of artists just designing their own Transformers (with some striving to make them actually functional, and accounting for alternate transformations), but then never seeing them make it to a toy shelf. e.g., Figueroa's interpretation of Thunderwing.
Posted by Rated X on August 27th, 2014 @ 10:06pm CDT
Rated X wrote:mooncake623 wrote:JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:gothsaurus wrote:Aw, come on, JelZe GoldRabbit. You gotta post pics if you're going to reference such awesome-ness.
As you wish:
Nice those pics are pretty sweet!
Rated X your turn I too would like to see this robot banana.
Im at work until 900 PM EST but when I get home Ill break out my banana.
And now I present to you Astrotrain's secret 5th mode...
The Robotic Banana !