New Images of Generations Scourge - Alternate Mode

It looks better than it did in previous pictures.

It's just something we have to accept though, that HasTak has to update characters to appeal to the kids so the likes of Perceptor, Frenzy, Rumble and Scourge have more kid-friendly alt modes.

With all 4 of those guys they absolutely nailed the robot modes, especially in Scourge's case, which is most important in my books so I'm happy.

Look Familiar?

Nice to see some up-close pics of Scourge's alt-mode, and to be able to make out the sculpting & details more clearly. I think it's pretty decent and like the modernized alt-mode... looking forward to picking him up. Now to decide if this one's the Sweep or if Botcon 09 Scourge will be...

Is it just me or is he slightly mistransformed?
It really looks like pieces are meant to be more flush and snug.

This alt-mode modification is growing on me, I must admit. I would have preferred he be more G1 like Cyclonus, but I can live with Nouveaux sweeps. Speaking of sweeps, I hope we get like a two pack with remolded heads as Sweep drones so I can half a perfect set of G1 Unicronians.

Does he have a gun though?

NuclearConvoy wrote:Is it just me or is he slightly mistransformed?
It really looks like pieces are meant to be more flush and snug.

This alt-mode modification is growing on me, I must admit. I would have preferred he be more G1 like Cyclonus, but I can live with Nouveaux sweeps. Speaking of sweeps, I hope we get like a two pack with remolded heads as Sweep drones so I can half a perfect set of G1 Unicronians.

Does he have a gun though?

He comes with a gun that looks very similar to his old Targetmaster partner Fracas in weapon-mode, it doesn't transform though.

looks nice cant wait to have him..wouldnt mind seein pics of him with galvatron an cyclonus..wonder if nightstick can fit in his hand

Would have loved for him to be a targetmnaster as well. Oh well, no sense complaining.

In terms of alt-mode I perfer the Titanium version but I kind of like this robot version of Scourge. Maybe I'll gave him a few Titanium Sweaps

El Duque wrote:

NuclearConvoy wrote:Is it just me or is he slightly mistransformed?
It really looks like pieces are meant to be more flush and snug.

This alt-mode modification is growing on me, I must admit. I would have preferred he be more G1 like Cyclonus, but I can live with Nouveaux sweeps. Speaking of sweeps, I hope we get like a two pack with remolded heads as Sweep drones so I can half a perfect set of G1 Unicronians.

Does he have a gun though?

He comes with a gun that looks very similar to his old Targetmaster partner Fracas in weapon-mode, it doesn't transform though.

The gun that was in the picture of his robot mode didnt transform into any form of robot but it did have points where it could maybe transform to fit into his alt mode somehow

Reminds me of ROTF Mindwarp. This, I'll definitely get, since I have both Galvatron and Cyclonus. Now all we need is an official Classics Arcee figure and most of the entire fanbase will be alright.

I think ill get 6 or 7 of this Hasbro's version for the sweeps and 1 from Takara for Scourge. The new alt mode is growing on me, but i think it still needs some work or its mistransformed.

Yeah, it's mistransformed. On comparison with earlier pictures, the arms/engines need to be flipped forward/rotated so that the engine intake with the red fists showing is pointing towards the front of the aircraft, allowing the body to clip in and the whole body to fit tighter.

I despise how the blue trim along the leading edge just stops when it gets to the wings. It's going to be a right pain to find a matching blue.

Sodan-1 wrote:I despise how the blue trim along the leading edge just stops when it gets to the wings. It's going to be a right pain to find a matching blue.

I'm guessing that this is an unfinished figure, hence why they have it.

This is the reason Hasbro doesn't like pictures to be leaked.

(But if this IS the final version, shame on them.)

Counterpunch wrote:

Sodan-1 wrote:I despise how the blue trim along the leading edge just stops when it gets to the wings. It's going to be a right pain to find a matching blue.

I'm guessing that this is an unfinished figure, hence why they have it.

This is the reason Hasbro doesn't like pictures to be leaked.

(But if this IS the final version, shame on them.)

It's the same with every image shown, so I'm pretty sure that that's it. It's just lazy.

I almost got the titanium Scourge. Im sorry I didnt pick him up. In a perfect world (for collectors) their would be no kids...

IMO this alt mode doesn't look like G1 Scourge at all...
The Botcon one will keep his place in my collection next to Henkei Cyclonus and Universe Galvatron(I don't like this figure either but there's no other alternative in CHUG..).

Didicos wrote:IMO this alt mode doesn't look like G1 Scourge at all...
The Botcon one will keep his place in my collection next to Henkei Cyclonus and Universe Galvatron(I don't like this figure either but there's no other alternative in CHUG..).

1. CHUG is a disgusting and terrible term that should be aborted.

2. What's wrong with this guy?

It looks like there were supposed to be some paint apps on the wings, continuing the blue stripe. I really wish they didn't have cheap out so much on the paint apps. I'll probably still get the Hasbro version anyway, since Takara's too expensive.

Counterpunch wrote:2. What's wrong with this guy?

Height, proportions, posability, loose joints and bad die-cast placement.
But yeah, I dont think most people (me included) liked Scourge's alt mode anyway, I still dont know what that thing is supposed to be!

cannonfodder4000 wrote:

Counterpunch wrote:2. What's wrong with this guy?

Height, proportions, posability, loose joints and bad die-cast placement.
But yeah, I dont think most people (me included) liked Scourge's alt mode anyway, I still dont know what that thing is supposed to be!

He's pretty much in scale with Classics Cyclonus.

He has three points of articulation in each arm, plus perhaps the wrist swivel. He has at least four points of articulation in each leg and his wings are double hinged. The only thing he lacks is a head swivel and perhaps a waist swivel.

The die-cast placement is great in this toy. It keeps him centered and balanced.

Also, while Cyclonus got what was essentially his original alt mode, with Titanium Scourge you get the same deal and not a modified alt mode.

Why does Cyclonus get to stay the same and Scourge has to change?

If this mold were to be repainted black for a nice B-2 bomber look, what's a good character he could he be?

MagnaBlade wrote:If this mold were to be repainted black for a nice B-2 bomber look, what's a good character he could he be?

Sideways:P

And I do believe G1 Scourge is simply a SPACE!hovercraft.


Edit:

Holy hell Generations alt-mode is very fitting!
It looks a lot like this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horten_Ho_229
The granddad of all stealth bombers.

After seeing the pics again I'm pretty sure taht I like the Titanium version better, especially the robot mode.

This looks so awesome. I must have him.

Counterpunch wrote:

cannonfodder4000 wrote:

Counterpunch wrote:2. What's wrong with this guy?

Height, proportions, posability, loose joints and bad die-cast placement.
But yeah, I dont think most people (me included) liked Scourge's alt mode anyway, I still dont know what that thing is supposed to be!

He's pretty much in scale with Classics Cyclonus.

He has three points of articulation in each arm, plus perhaps the wrist swivel. He has at least four points of articulation in each leg and his wings are double hinged. The only thing he lacks is a head swivel and perhaps a waist swivel.

The die-cast placement is great in this toy. It keeps him centered and balanced.

Also, while Cyclonus got what was essentially his original alt mode, with Titanium Scourge you get the same deal and not a modified alt mode.

Why does Cyclonus get to stay the same and Scourge has to change?

1. No he isn't.

2. You already mentioned that he doesn't have a head swivel, so I wont even go there.

3. I cannot be sure about the die-cast myself, as I have never owned one, but most Titanium figures to date have had bad placement of die-cast so it would be easy to assume that it was bad on this one, whether it is or not.

4. It seems that Hasbro has decide to stick with making new alt-modes for characters who's original alt mode was rather obscure or boring (most kids prefer stealth bombers over flying boat things.)

Also what you said does not negate the reported bad quality control and weak plastic on Titanium scourge. Then again, it wouldn't matter if all you're using it for is display. Me I tend to Transform them back and forth constantly when I'm sitting at my desk.

Vicalliose wrote:

Counterpunch wrote:

cannonfodder4000 wrote:

Counterpunch wrote:2. What's wrong with this guy?

Height, proportions, posability, loose joints and bad die-cast placement.
But yeah, I dont think most people (me included) liked Scourge's alt mode anyway, I still dont know what that thing is supposed to be!

He's pretty much in scale with Classics Cyclonus.

He has three points of articulation in each arm, plus perhaps the wrist swivel. He has at least four points of articulation in each leg and his wings are double hinged. The only thing he lacks is a head swivel and perhaps a waist swivel.

The die-cast placement is great in this toy. It keeps him centered and balanced.

Also, while Cyclonus got what was essentially his original alt mode, with Titanium Scourge you get the same deal and not a modified alt mode.

Why does Cyclonus get to stay the same and Scourge has to change?

1. No he isn't.

2. You already mentioned that he doesn't have a head swivel, so I wont even go there.

3. I cannot be sure about the die-cast myself, as I have never owned one, but most Titanium figures to date have had bad placement of die-cast so it would be easy to assume that it was bad on this one, whether it is or not.

4. It seems that Hasbro has decide to stick with making new alt-modes for characters who's original alt mode was rather obscure or boring (most kids prefer stealth bombers over flying boat things.)

Also what you said does not negate the reported bad quality control and weak plastic on Titanium scourge. Then again, it wouldn't matter if all you're using it for is display. Me I tend to Transform them back and forth constantly when I'm sitting at my desk.

Also, Titanium Scourge's head has a weird incongruity with the proportions of his body, IMO.

Counterpunch wrote:

Didicos wrote:IMO this alt mode doesn't look like G1 Scourge at all...
The Botcon one will keep his place in my collection next to Henkei Cyclonus and Universe Galvatron(I don't like this figure either but there's no other alternative in CHUG..).

1. CHUG is a disgusting and terrible term that should be aborted.

2. What's wrong with this guy?

Retard of the day is.... me! But seriously though, what's CHUG? If it's THAT inappropriate, just shoot me a PM telling me what it means.

Mindmaster wrote:Retard of the day is.... me! But seriously though, what's CHUG? If it's THAT inappropriate, just shoot me a PM telling me what it means.

Chihuahua/Pug mix? J/K It's a racial slur against Native Americans.

Dead Metal wrote:

MagnaBlade wrote:If this mold were to be repainted black for a nice B-2 bomber look, what's a good character he could he be?

Sideways:P

And I do believe G1 Scourge is simply a SPACE!hovercraft.


Edit:

Holy hell Generations alt-mode is very fitting!
It looks a lot like this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horten_Ho_229
The granddad of all stealth bombers.

Close, according to TFWiki (read it sometime) he's loosely based on the Boeing X-48 flying wing.

am i the only one who thinks scourge has a big stupid looking fat forehead? more like a fivehead, gah!

Counterpunch wrote:

Didicos wrote:IMO this alt mode doesn't look like G1 Scourge at all...
The Botcon one will keep his place in my collection next to Henkei Cyclonus and Universe Galvatron(I don't like this figure either but there's no other alternative in CHUG..).

1. CHUG is a disgusting and terrible term that should be aborted.

2. What's wrong with this guy?

1. Please suggest another term because I don't like "CHUG" prety much either,but it's much shorter and easier than typing Classics-Henkei-Universe-Generations each time you want to talk about these toylines...

2. There's nothing wrong with Titanium Scourge(except for being hard to find these days...)but I like the Botcon one more.

Mindmaster wrote:Retard of the day is.... me! But seriously though, what's CHUG? If it's THAT inappropriate, just shoot me a PM telling me what it means.

I think now you know all the truth about this disgusting term..

I want to express how sorry I feel about using the term "CHUG" in some of my previous posts.All this time I thought that it was an acronym that just didn't sound so well,and since I live in Europe(I hope you accept that as an excuse)I wasn't aware that this is a racist expression towards Native Americans.When I first read LOST Cybertronian's post,I thought it was some kind of a bad joke.But,later I decided to google it and I realized he was right...I want to crearely state that I am against any kind of racism and I sincerely apologise if anyone was offended by my posts.

Didicos wrote:

Counterpunch wrote:

Didicos wrote:IMO this alt mode doesn't look like G1 Scourge at all...
The Botcon one will keep his place in my collection next to Henkei Cyclonus and Universe Galvatron(I don't like this figure either but there's no other alternative in CHUG..).

1. CHUG is a disgusting and terrible term that should be aborted.

2. What's wrong with this guy?

1. Please suggest another term because I don't like "CHUG" prety much either,but it's much shorter and easier than typing Classics-Henkei-Universe-Generations each time you want to talk about these toylines...

2. There's nothing wrong with Titanium Scourge(except for being hard to find these days...)but I like the Botcon one more.

Mindmaster wrote:Retard of the day is.... me! But seriously though, what's CHUG? If it's THAT inappropriate, just shoot me a PM telling me what it means.

I think now you know all the truth about this disgusting term..

Funny thing is, I have a small part of Cherokee in me. Thanks for the clear-up on that matter. Now, on with the rest of the post...

I think this version of Scourge homages both his Wings of Honor version and the original figure. But I have to agree with Dead Metal on having Scourge repainted as Cybertron Siedways. Just give 'em a new head and that sword/shield-thing and he would look just like Sideways!

Didicos wrote:1. Please suggest another term because I don't like "CHUG" prety much either,but it's much shorter and easier than typing Classics-Henkei-Universe-Generations each time you want to talk about these toylines...

Classics

The only reason the line name gets changed is due to retailers needing new product.

Counterpunch wrote:

Didicos wrote:1. Please suggest another term because I don't like "CHUG" prety much either,but it's much shorter and easier than typing Classics-Henkei-Universe-Generations each time you want to talk about these toylines...

Classics

The only reason the line name gets changed is due to retailers needing new product.

Or actually not wanting products having an "old" name.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Counterpunch wrote:

Didicos wrote:1. Please suggest another term because I don't like "CHUG" prety much either,but it's much shorter and easier than typing Classics-Henkei-Universe-Generations each time you want to talk about these toylines...

Classics

The only reason the line name gets changed is due to retailers needing new product.

Or actually not wanting products having an "old" name.

Essentially what I said, but the way Wal Mart sees it is that a new name is a new product.

Half the time I've seen the term "CHUG" used anywhere online, it's used wrong anyway. Usually in reference to a lack of a CHUG Thundercracker or Henkei is better than anything put out in CHUG or other such nonsense. It's a crap term and most of the people using it don't seem to realize that it encompasses the Henkei line. Others seem to think that 3rd Party stuff falls under it as well.

Is Classics or Classicverse that much harder to type?

LOST Cybertronian wrote:

Mindmaster wrote:Retard of the day is.... me! But seriously though, what's CHUG? If it's THAT inappropriate, just shoot me a PM telling me what it means.

Chihuahua/Pug mix? It's a racial slur against Native Americans.

Really? All I've ever heard it used for is downing a drink really fast, ie "chug a beer".

Saying you can't use it for a TF acronym because of some fairly obscure slur just seems kinda weird. Like saying you can't talk about "chink in the armor" because that's got a word in it that's also used as a slur.

As for Scourge, all I can say is I hope I actually see him on shelves someday. I've all but given up on Dirge and Blurr.

Optimum Supreme wrote:

LOST Cybertronian wrote:

Mindmaster wrote:Retard of the day is.... me! But seriously though, what's CHUG? If it's THAT inappropriate, just shoot me a PM telling me what it means.

Chihuahua/Pug mix? It's a racial slur against Native Americans.

Really? All I've ever heard it used for is downing a drink really fast, ie "chug a beer".

Saying you can't use it for a TF acronym because of some fairly obscure slur just seems kinda weird. Like saying you can't talk about "chink in the armor" because that's got a word in it that's also used as a slur.

Indeed. I just seems more and more often these days we're finding random words we used all the time when we were kids being abused like this.

When I was little, I identified CHUG as onomatopoeia for a train noise. Heck, Wiktionary identifies it as just that. Though yes it is used as some kind abbreviation for certain hybrid dogs (apparently), it really depends on what context you use it in. Anyone could call another person a dog, but if they happen to use an abbreviation for a certain type of dog, suddenly what once was a harmless drinking noise has now become a racist slur.

In short, the word itself really shouldn't offend anyone, but how it's used could.

Vicalliose wrote:

Optimum Supreme wrote:

LOST Cybertronian wrote:

Mindmaster wrote:Retard of the day is.... me! But seriously though, what's CHUG? If it's THAT inappropriate, just shoot me a PM telling me what it means.

Chihuahua/Pug mix? It's a racial slur against Native Americans.

Really? All I've ever heard it used for is downing a drink really fast, ie "chug a beer".

Saying you can't use it for a TF acronym because of some fairly obscure slur just seems kinda weird. Like saying you can't talk about "chink in the armor" because that's got a word in it that's also used as a slur.

Indeed. I just seems more and more often these days we're finding random words we used all the time when we were kids being abused like this.

When I was little, I identified CHUG as onomatopoeia for a train noise. Heck, Wiktionary identifies it as just that. Though yes it is used as some kind abbreviation for certain hybrid dogs (apparently), it really depends on what context you use it in. Anyone could call another person a dog, but if they happen to use an abbreviation for a certain type of dog, suddenly what once was a harmless drinking noise has now become a racist slur.


In short, the word itself really shouldn't offend anyone, but how it's used could.

The dog thing was just me making a joke, sorry I wasn't clear on that. The slur has to do with the disproportionately high prevalence of alcoholism among Native Americans communities, and the resulting stereotypes of Native Americans as frequent consumers/abusers of alcohol. Although I had never heard the term acutally used by another human being.

LOST Cybertronian wrote:

Vicalliose wrote:

Optimum Supreme wrote:

LOST Cybertronian wrote:

Mindmaster wrote:Retard of the day is.... me! But seriously though, what's CHUG? If it's THAT inappropriate, just shoot me a PM telling me what it means.

Chihuahua/Pug mix? It's a racial slur against Native Americans.

Really? All I've ever heard it used for is downing a drink really fast, ie "chug a beer".

Saying you can't use it for a TF acronym because of some fairly obscure slur just seems kinda weird. Like saying you can't talk about "chink in the armor" because that's got a word in it that's also used as a slur.

Indeed. I just seems more and more often these days we're finding random words we used all the time when we were kids being abused like this.

When I was little, I identified CHUG as onomatopoeia for a train noise. Heck, Wiktionary identifies it as just that. Though yes it is used as some kind abbreviation for certain hybrid dogs (apparently), it really depends on what context you use it in. Anyone could call another person a dog, but if they happen to use an abbreviation for a certain type of dog, suddenly what once was a harmless drinking noise has now become a racist slur.


In short, the word itself really shouldn't offend anyone, but how it's used could.

The dog thing was just me making a joke, sorry I wasn't clear on that. The slur has to do with the disproportionately high prevalence of alcoholism among Native Americans communities, and the resulting stereotypes of Native Americans as frequent consumers/abusers of alcohol. Although I had never heard the term actually used by another human being.

Regardless my point still stands. In fact the word CHUG used as a racist slur holds even less grounds in this case, as specific as the meaning of it is meant to be to the person using the word, especially considering the word chug in that sense is meant to be a verb. Now if they were to call a person a chug-er, or a chugging *insert insult* it would make sense, but the word chug alone should mean nothing.

We would just be gratifying the illiterate goofballs who came up with this if we continued treating it as a racist slur, rather than what it's meant to mean. I'm laughing even more now knowing that is what it's meant to mean to them.

*fixed*

I personally don't care beyond the fact that "CHUG" is a stupid sounding term regardless of the meaning behind it. As CP stated, Classics is the best and most appropriate name to use, since all the latter lines are really just extensions of the Classics line anyway.

I'm a little late to the party, but why is "Henkei" even included in this questionable acronym? It's redundant. Why not tack on another "U" at the end for Transformers "United" at this point?

zodconvoy wrote:Half the time I've seen the term "CHUG" used anywhere online, it's used wrong anyway. Usually in reference to a lack of a CHUG Thundercracker or Henkei is better than anything put out in CHUG or other such nonsense. It's a crap term and most of the people using it don't seem to realize that it encompasses the Henkei line. Others seem to think that 3rd Party stuff falls under it as well.

Is Classics or Classicverse that much harder to type?

'Neo G1' has 3-7 less characters!

It looks pretty good. I never liked the "space boat" much. I just wish he had a bit more paint, especially on the wings. They look quite plain. The blue from the front looks like it should continue on the front edge of the wings. Hopefully it'll be more painted on the final release, but I highly doubt it.

irregardless isn't a word...

I own Titanium Scourge... and I'm less than impressed with him. The sockets come loose. the wings make him a but back heavy and all the transformation really is is unfolding the wings and adjusting the legs. Also, no weapon. And no neck joint.

I've never given a damn about scale, so that doesn't matter to me either. Bring on Generations Scourge!

NuclearConvoy wrote:irregardless isn't a word...

You were right to point that out, I was tired when I wrote that. Normally, even when I'm tired I can catch that stuff like that due to my browsers built in spell-checker, but apparently it considers that to be a real word.

Funnily enough, it's considered to be a term used by the illiterate.

Vicalliose wrote:

NuclearConvoy wrote:irregardless isn't a word...

You were right to point that out, I was tired when I wrote that. Normally, even when I'm tired I can catch that stuff like that due to my browsers built in spell-checker, but apparently it considers that to be a real word.

Funnily enough, it's considered to be a term used by the illiterate.

Just one more way that spell check is killing our language, I suppose.