New Image - Takara Tomy Transformers Unite Warriors UW-02 Menasor
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Posted by Rated X on July 22nd, 2015 @ 4:52am CDT
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Posted by Randomhero on July 22nd, 2015 @ 7:47am CDT
Sideshow Sideswipe wrote:I'm still really pissed about Menasor's shoulders. They fall apart if you try and move the arms even a little bit. ruins it for me. Defensor has better shoulder locking.
I ended up buying 2 Motormasters because of that. First one had that problem thought it was just mine because reviews I saw didn't have that issue(my Optimus doesn't have the issue) and my second Motormaster has the the same problem. It's not a huge gripe for me because his legs and stance are a bigger issue. All in all I like menasor a lot, he's "solid" for the most part.
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Posted by chuckdawg1999 on July 22nd, 2015 @ 11:32am CDT
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:Wouldn't be surprising if takara did make a oldschool blast-off, though I'm not bothered about it as space shuttles (while awesome) don't belong with a group of combat vehicles.
Aren't they all but retired anyway?
Well in the original cartoon Starscream used old broken down WWII vehicles which, once infused with the sparks of the Combaticons, changed shape into the vehicles we know.
Posted by william-james88 on July 22nd, 2015 @ 12:07pm CDT
Alpha Weltall wrote:So it comes with two Dragstrip and two Dead End/Wildrider hand/foot/guns. That sucks but luckily I'm happy with my Hasbro version. They could've at least put in two Dragstrip and two Breakdown hand/foot/guns. That way Dragstrip and Breakdown would get the ones that are specifically designed for them and Dead End and Wildrider would each have a different one from each other and they'd both look different than Dragstrip and Breakdown because they'd be upside down from them.
They did that with Superion too. There are onl 2 different hand/feet molds but I think it is to convey a sense of uniformity.
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on July 22nd, 2015 @ 12:23pm CDT
william-james88 wrote:Alpha Weltall wrote:So it comes with two Dragstrip and two Dead End/Wildrider hand/foot/guns. That sucks but luckily I'm happy with my Hasbro version. They could've at least put in two Dragstrip and two Breakdown hand/foot/guns. That way Dragstrip and Breakdown would get the ones that are specifically designed for them and Dead End and Wildrider would each have a different one from each other and they'd both look different than Dragstrip and Breakdown because they'd be upside down from them.
They did that with Superion too. There are onl 2 different hand/feet molds but I think it is to convey a sense of uniformity.
Sling and Firefly share molds, therefore the same combiner piece, as do Skydive and Air Raid. Look at the Hasbro version of the "correct" Superion:
That makes Menasor even more puzzling.
Posted by shajaki on July 22nd, 2015 @ 1:44pm CDT
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Posted by william-james88 on July 22nd, 2015 @ 3:30pm CDT
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
That makes Menasor even more puzzling.
Sure does.
Oh I have a question for you G1ers. Why are the legs flipped so that you lose a knee bend in the G1 toy as well as have the robot kibble exposed as oppose to the Jet .... forget it, I just saw this pic:
I guess it was for cartoon accuracy. But the toys came first right? So why didnt they just flip the legs for them to be more along the lines of the current Combiner Wars orientation from the get go? That would have of course lead to the cartoon having the legs flipped (since the cartoon was imitating the toy). Any reason? Because I actually find having the combiner wars orientation to be more stable for the G1 toys.
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on July 22nd, 2015 @ 3:42pm CDT
Posted by william-james88 on July 22nd, 2015 @ 4:29pm CDT
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:The leg bots had the bottom facing front most likely for esthetic reasons. All kibble had to be moved out of plain view i.e. moved to the back whenever possible. Funnily enough Menasor had an animation model that shows the legs facing the opposite direction (and upside down):
Interesting. I personally find the robot kibble more distracting than the alt mode kibble (well for the generations toys, not the G1s since the robot arms are not obvious at all). Also, this means that the third party combiners are greatly inaccurate in terms of G1 accuracy.
Posted by Cyberpath on July 22nd, 2015 @ 4:47pm CDT
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:The leg bots had the bottom facing front most likely for esthetic reasons. All kibble had to be moved out of plain view i.e. moved to the back whenever possible. Funnily enough Menasor had an animation model that shows the legs facing the opposite direction (and upside down):
And used in the Aerialbots/Stunticons commercial.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asVTEMw9IUU
btw, the back of the legs was still upside-down in the final model.
Posted by fenrir72 on July 22nd, 2015 @ 5:10pm CDT
Cyberpath wrote:JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:The leg bots had the bottom facing front most likely for esthetic reasons. All kibble had to be moved out of plain view i.e. moved to the back whenever possible. Funnily enough Menasor had an animation model that shows the legs facing the opposite direction (and upside down):
And used in the Aerialbots/Stunticons commercial.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=asVTEMw9IUU
btw, the back of the legs was still upside-down in the final model.
That was in the Japanese Generations iirc. The proto animation model sheets until they settled for the ones in the show.
Don't even get me started on Bruticu whose animation model doesn't look at all like the toy.
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on July 22nd, 2015 @ 5:39pm CDT
Superion: bottom front
Menasor: bottom front
Defensor: bottom back
Bruticus: front (Swindle, Vortex & Blast Off) and back (Brawl)
Computron: bottom back
Abominus: bottom front
Piranacon: bottom front
Posted by Sabrblade on July 22nd, 2015 @ 11:35pm CDT
And just for funsies:JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Those sheets do prove that the position of the legs wasn't set in stone during development, Defensor aside. Here's something funny:
Superion: bottom front
Menasor: bottom front
Defensor: bottom back
Bruticus: front (Swindle, Vortex & Blast Off) and back (Brawl)
Computron: bottom back
Abominus: bottom front
Piranacon: bottom front
Baldigus/Ruination: bottom front
Click for full size
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on July 23rd, 2015 @ 2:55pm CDT
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Posted by Cyberpath on July 24th, 2015 @ 4:05am CDT
Posted by MemphisR56 on July 24th, 2015 @ 5:11am CDT
I always wanted to see that happen. It'd look awesome.
Posted by Cyberpath on July 24th, 2015 @ 5:15am CDT
Posted by Va'al on July 24th, 2015 @ 5:55am CDT
UPDATED with new image of UW-03 Groove in motorbike mode.
Posted by NuclearConvoy on July 24th, 2015 @ 6:43am CDT
Posted by william-james88 on July 24th, 2015 @ 8:10am CDT
Posted by Optimizzy on July 24th, 2015 @ 8:14am CDT
NuclearConvoy wrote:I'm really digging that Red and blue deco.
yeah, I'm really liking that too. The legends groove mold is pretty cool really...but not as Groove.
And as an aside, what's with the shaking hands pose?? I mean I get it, but...I see that too much. Do something different. Maybe they DONT get along?
Posted by Optimizzy on July 24th, 2015 @ 8:21am CDT
Well, got Runabout. I like him.
Posted by Cyberpath on July 24th, 2015 @ 8:21am CDT
You mean the motorbike windshield?william-james88 wrote:what's going on with Deluxe's Groove's blue halo?
Posted by william-james88 on July 24th, 2015 @ 8:37am CDT
Cyberpath wrote:You mean the motorbike windshield?william-james88 wrote:what's going on with Deluxe's Groove's blue halo?
AHA! Yes, thats what it is!
Posted by jogunwarrior on July 24th, 2015 @ 8:43am CDT
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Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on July 24th, 2015 @ 8:55am CDT
jogunwarrior wrote:I really dig that Legends Override. Those colors looks great on that mold.
Too bad he'll he a TakaraTomy exclusive, under Transformers Adventure. Bring on Backstreet and Dogfight!
Posted by william-james88 on July 24th, 2015 @ 10:01am CDT
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:jogunwarrior wrote:I really dig that Legends Override. Those colors looks great on that mold.
Too bad he'll he a TakaraTomy exclusive, under Transformers Adventure. Bring on Backstreet and Dogfight!
Does it really matter at this point though? Takara figures cost the same as Hasbro these days, its only the shipping you have to worry about. And we are all internet savy enough to get them.
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on July 24th, 2015 @ 10:05am CDT
william-james88 wrote:JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:jogunwarrior wrote:I really dig that Legends Override. Those colors looks great on that mold.
Too bad he'll he a TakaraTomy exclusive, under Transformers Adventure. Bring on Backstreet and Dogfight!
Does it really matter at this point though? Takara figures cost the same as Hasbro these days, its only the shipping you have to worry about. And we are all internet savy enough to get them.
Except in I'm no position to order online a lot without people looking at me funny and/or questioning me Besides, I like the personal contact in import stores and the thrill of the hunt in general.
Posted by no-one on July 24th, 2015 @ 12:30pm CDT
Posted by Hellscream9999 on July 24th, 2015 @ 1:44pm CDT
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:william-james88 wrote:JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:jogunwarrior wrote:I really dig that Legends Override. Those colors looks great on that mold.
Too bad he'll he a TakaraTomy exclusive, under Transformers Adventure. Bring on Backstreet and Dogfight!
Does it really matter at this point though? Takara figures cost the same as Hasbro these days, its only the shipping you have to worry about. And we are all internet savy enough to get them.
Except in I'm no position to order online a lot without people looking at me funny and/or questioning me Besides, I like the personal contact in import stores and the thrill of the hunt in general.
Well if I relied on 'the hunt' I still wouldn't even have cw wave 1 figures
Posted by Yotsuyasan on July 25th, 2015 @ 9:16pm CDT
Here's a few more I just took.
One day soon, I'll have to pull Metroplex off the shelf and transform him. I look forward to seeing how the Aerialbots work with his alt modes. (That flight deck is begging to have Aerialbots on it!
Posted by Yotsuyasan on July 25th, 2015 @ 11:04pm CDT
A little while after my last post, I started thinking, "You know, I keep taking photos of his combined mode, but his individual members are just as important, too!
And this was the first time I've put the individual Aerialbots in a group shot with other figures. They sure keep looking good!
You know, even though it was cartoon accurate, before having him in hand I was a bit worried about Slingshot's orange eyes on an orange face. But it does really work. Both to the naked eye and in photographs, they are different enough shades that the eyes don't get lost in his face.
Posted by Wolfman Jake on July 26th, 2015 @ 1:38am CDT
Yotsuyasan wrote:You know, even though it was cartoon accurate, before having him in hand I was a bit worried about Slingshot's orange eyes on an orange face. But it does really work. Both to the naked eye and in photographs, they are different enough shades that the eyes don't get lost in his face.
The real danger is getting lost in his eyes.
Posted by jay5 on July 26th, 2015 @ 4:31am CDT
Btw, has there been any further update on Bruticus or Computron CW/UW gestalts, such as details regarding what will be different for the Takara releases or ETAs for them?
Posted by Yotsuyasan on July 26th, 2015 @ 6:54am CDT
jay5 wrote:Are those hands/feet a Perfect Effect kit for Superion?
Yup.
jay5 wrote:Btw, has there been any further update on Bruticus or Computron CW/UW gestalts, such as details regarding what will be different for the Takara releases or ETAs for them?
Not yet.
Posted by william-james88 on July 30th, 2015 @ 11:29am CDT
FYI: The Foreign Version is Hasbro's while the Domestic Version is Takara's, in the context of this interview.
There are a few points which seem quite important. Not only was the strict budget to explain for the simplified voyagers, but a strict parts count as well. This could easily explain why the articulation is lacking. Since the production was a bit rushed, Hasui Shogo used design elements from a previously concieved Masterpiece design he had done a while back. The budget and parts count made him take away a few elements bit by bit which were instead kept for the Unite Warriors version, which was developped under Hisashi Yuki (the guy who keeps posting pics all the time on twitter). The retractable visor was Yuki's idea.
Figure King #210 p. 126-127 wrote:page 126
UW04
In Charge of the Development of the Overseas Version of Devastator
Hasui Shogo
Q: What were the details of having chosen Devastator as a large scale item this time?
A: The proposal was from Hasbro. They referred to it as "a kickass product", because Metroplex, a project that many fans wished for to be realized as a super giant product, was popular, it came to be that Devastator was chosen as the second one. It was done due to the timing of the Combiner Wars series just being developed, and so the plan to try and turn it into a product to symbolize the Combiner Wars was advanced. In order to cover the correspondingly large sum investment, it seemed to have been a difficulty even for the Hasbro company to let such a plan be accepted.
Q: How did you decide on the size?
A: The height of the previous figure Metroplex, I considered the play value of combining and it was calculated that the size would have "a height of 45cm". This height and "the fact that 6 Constructicons combine and turn into 1 robot", "that it woulde be 6 newer and different types of construction machines" were the essential conditions from the Hasbro company. To clear these conditions, it was okay to disperse/vary the height of the disconnected robots , although the design before and after combining changed from the time of G1, it was good. But afterall apart from myself I thought about how the respected G1 Devastator configuration should be; then I proposed the current design. Because I thought this was the course of action that the fans strongly wished for. So, implementing this height of 45cm was accordingly difficult, for the combining process several I had to come up with several clever ideas.
Q: In total, this is considerably close to the G1 version, right?
A: Concerning the points that are designed based on the original G1 version, it's constructed similar to a masterpiece (transformer). The toy of course incorporated elements of the anime design. In fact to clear the tight development schedule, there are parts where I apropriated ideas for use in an MP Devastator that I had written down a long time before. I thought: "doesn't this seem like the only chance I can make a giant MP Devastator, if I do my best here then the thing that the fans eagerly waited for can be realized". I had the sense that there was nothing like it before. If it surpassed a masterpiece wouldn't that be terrible (smile).
Q: What is the charm of the character of Devastator from your(Hasui's) point of view?
A: I think that he is a symbol of the strength of the Decepticons. Because the Constructicons combine and become the giant Devastator, an absolute power difference between the Autobots and the Decepticons is born. I think that the feeling of despair of the Autobots at that time is the charm of Devastator. Combining shook up the enemy side with the situation of the Autobots fighting against a giant enemy.
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page 127
Q: What were the points in development that troubled you?
A: Generally speaking the development schedule and parts count was strict, you know. Because making 6 voyager class (figures) rather than having prepared only a development schedule and parts count for making just 1 Metroplex (figure). Usually if you make one, an hypothesis is made for the mobility that every robot can use, the degree of mobility legs and arms move before and after. Generally, because there was no precedent for such a size of Transformers combiner, several things were quite difficult.
Q: For the modern combiner warriors multiple people were in charge, you (Hasui) alone were responsible for Devastator, right?
A: Yes. Because it was a product that if you did not make and look at the complete balance by yourself, you would never reach the goal. But, the advancement of 6 combiners at the same time was a continuous hardship which I had not experienced up to now.
Q: This time you turned surplus parts into weapons, right?
A: I was also able to construct it so that surplus parts got lost/disappeared, but if I did that the parts count and hinges would increase have and the cost would have risen. Still, at first due to making 6 (figures) and being at the limit, there was no spare room for making weapon parts. For that reason, to make them separate items at the time, I dared to propose to make a few parts into handheld weapons.
Q: In regards to the domestic version, there were some requested points from you (Hasui), I suppose.
A: Hisashi Yuki was responsible for the domestic version, he decided the specifications at the time, in the beginning he listened to/asked my opinions. Generally speaking for the foreign version, achieving the internal costs was number one, therefore he told me of opinions and ideas he held off on. Because his ideas were included there the final specifications of the domestic version were able to be made. The visor gimmick was Yuki's idea, you know.
Q: What kind of itmes are you (Hasui) presently in charge of?
A: Currently I'm in the middle of being in charge of foreign items. Of the currently released some things from "Generations", in "Adventure" I'm in charge of Big Bumblebee and Big Grimlock. For the extending gimmick in Big Bumblebee's feet I took some hints from 'Sky Garry'. For Big Grimlock also generally__ I became aware of a different transformation, it became a product that specialized in a degree of satisfaction and sense of accomplishment according to the transformation. For these the concept of Kung-Fu like and somewhat flashy transformations, that made you look and be surprised was called "Trans-Fu".
Q: Please let us hear the salespoint for Devastator as a developer.
A: For the domestic specifications I want the thought, that I wanted to focus on the separate characters, to reflect that. As separate items they are easy to play with, please experience the times they can turn into things that can be enjoyed. In any case I aimed to the last to produce the G1 image. I combined masterpiece and also scale, I aimed for a tall height that was bigger than Prowl and the others and smaller than Soundwave. After combining, in particular scenes the size was all over, but (smile) I combined the images and mixed together masterpiece and generations, if you can play with a Devastator that's just as you like that's enjoyable, right?
Posted by Wolfman Jake on July 30th, 2015 @ 12:46pm CDT
Posted by Cyberpath on July 30th, 2015 @ 1:06pm CDT
Sounds like Hasui is still invested in the MP line (that comment about making the Constructicons taller than Prowl but shorter than Soundwave for instance.) Which isn't surprising, the current incarnation of the line was his brainchild. But it also sounds like he's not coming back anytime soon..
Posted by User897 on July 30th, 2015 @ 2:21pm CDT
Posted by william-james88 on July 30th, 2015 @ 2:45pm CDT
User897 wrote:Thanks again to Hasbro for making sure the USA version has less parts.
I KNOW When I read that interview, it was not hard to read between the lines and see what he was referring to. That statement explains everything, the lack of weapons, the odd joints, especially the deal with Scrapper's arms. Stability my a$$, it was just the ideal place to not have to install extra pieces. And plus joints demand more pieces since you have to deal with the pins as well (which he explains). It's reading stuff like this which makes me glad I got the Takara version. And I am super glad to know that their UW 04 is exactly what they wished their Devastator to be from their original planning.