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Re: Takara Transformers Unite Warriors Discussion Thread

Postby william-james88 » Fri Jul 24, 2015 7:37 am

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Postby jogunwarrior » Fri Jul 24, 2015 7:43 am

I really dig that Legends Override. Those colors looks great on that mold.
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Re: Takara Transformers Unite Warriors Discussion Thread

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Re: Takara Transformers Unite Warriors Discussion Thread

Postby Jelze Bunnycat » Fri Jul 24, 2015 7:55 am

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jogunwarrior wrote:I really dig that Legends Override. Those colors looks great on that mold.


Too bad he'll he a TakaraTomy exclusive, under Transformers Adventure. Bring on Backstreet and Dogfight!
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Re: Takara Transformers Unite Warriors Discussion Thread

Postby william-james88 » Fri Jul 24, 2015 9:01 am

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jogunwarrior wrote:I really dig that Legends Override. Those colors looks great on that mold.


Too bad he'll he a TakaraTomy exclusive, under Transformers Adventure. Bring on Backstreet and Dogfight!


Does it really matter at this point though? Takara figures cost the same as Hasbro these days, its only the shipping you have to worry about. And we are all internet savy enough to get them.
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Re: Takara Transformers Unite Warriors Discussion Thread

Postby Jelze Bunnycat » Fri Jul 24, 2015 9:05 am

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william-james88 wrote:
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
jogunwarrior wrote:I really dig that Legends Override. Those colors looks great on that mold.


Too bad he'll he a TakaraTomy exclusive, under Transformers Adventure. Bring on Backstreet and Dogfight!


Does it really matter at this point though? Takara figures cost the same as Hasbro these days, its only the shipping you have to worry about. And we are all internet savy enough to get them.


Except in I'm no position to order online a lot without people looking at me funny and/or questioning me :lol: Besides, I like the personal contact in import stores and the thrill of the hunt in general.
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Re: Comparison Image - Takara Transformers Unite Warriors Groove(s)

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Re: Takara Transformers Unite Warriors Discussion Thread

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JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
william-james88 wrote:
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
jogunwarrior wrote:I really dig that Legends Override. Those colors looks great on that mold.


Too bad he'll he a TakaraTomy exclusive, under Transformers Adventure. Bring on Backstreet and Dogfight!


Does it really matter at this point though? Takara figures cost the same as Hasbro these days, its only the shipping you have to worry about. And we are all internet savy enough to get them.


Except in I'm no position to order online a lot without people looking at me funny and/or questioning me :lol: Besides, I like the personal contact in import stores and the thrill of the hunt in general.

Well if I relied on 'the hunt' I still wouldn't even have cw wave 1 figures :BANG_HEAD:
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Re: Takara Transformers Unite Warriors Discussion Thread

Postby Yotsuyasan » Sat Jul 25, 2015 8:16 pm

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I've been a bit preoccupied with things, so I haven't gotten a chance yet to write up a formal review of Superion... but I have sure been having fun with him! And finding him quite photogenic. :D

Here's a few more I just took.

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One day soon, I'll have to pull Metroplex off the shelf and transform him. I look forward to seeing how the Aerialbots work with his alt modes. (That flight deck is begging to have Aerialbots on it!
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Re: Takara Transformers Unite Warriors Discussion Thread

Postby Yotsuyasan » Sat Jul 25, 2015 10:04 pm

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Stupid sexy Superion...

A little while after my last post, I started thinking, "You know, I keep taking photos of his combined mode, but his individual members are just as important, too!

And this was the first time I've put the individual Aerialbots in a group shot with other figures. They sure keep looking good!

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You know, even though it was cartoon accurate, before having him in hand I was a bit worried about Slingshot's orange eyes on an orange face. But it does really work. Both to the naked eye and in photographs, they are different enough shades that the eyes don't get lost in his face.
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Re: Takara Transformers Unite Warriors Discussion Thread

Postby Wolfman Jake » Sun Jul 26, 2015 12:38 am

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Yotsuyasan wrote:You know, even though it was cartoon accurate, before having him in hand I was a bit worried about Slingshot's orange eyes on an orange face. But it does really work. Both to the naked eye and in photographs, they are different enough shades that the eyes don't get lost in his face.


The real danger is getting lost in his eyes.
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Re: Takara Transformers Unite Warriors Discussion Thread

Postby jay5 » Sun Jul 26, 2015 3:31 am

Are those hands/feet a Perfect Effect kit for Superion?

Btw, has there been any further update on Bruticus or Computron CW/UW gestalts, such as details regarding what will be different for the Takara releases or ETAs for them?
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Re: Takara Transformers Unite Warriors Discussion Thread

Postby Yotsuyasan » Sun Jul 26, 2015 5:54 am

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jay5 wrote:Are those hands/feet a Perfect Effect kit for Superion?


Yup.

jay5 wrote:Btw, has there been any further update on Bruticus or Computron CW/UW gestalts, such as details regarding what will be different for the Takara releases or ETAs for them?


Not yet.
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Interview with Hasui Shogo regarding Takara Transformers Unite Warriors UW 04 Devastator

Postby william-james88 » Thu Jul 30, 2015 10:29 am

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This is really really cool. As a fan of the toys first and foremost, I really like getting an inside look at the process and decisions that took place when producing a toy. The latest Figure King magazine actually had an interview with Hasui Shogo, the man behind MP-10 and a truck load (ha!) of MP figures as well as most Starscream figures since Armada, regarding his work as Devastator's main designer. The interview was translated by TF fan Deruji who posted in on a TFW board.

FYI: The Foreign Version is Hasbro's while the Domestic Version is Takara's, in the context of this interview.

There are a few points which seem quite important. Not only was the strict budget to explain for the simplified voyagers, but a strict parts count as well. This could easily explain why the articulation is lacking. Since the production was a bit rushed, Hasui Shogo used design elements from a previously concieved Masterpiece design he had done a while back. The budget and parts count made him take away a few elements bit by bit which were instead kept for the Unite Warriors version, which was developped under Hisashi Yuki (the guy who keeps posting pics all the time on twitter). The retractable visor was Yuki's idea.

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In Charge of the Development of the Overseas Version of Devastator
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Q: What were the details of having chosen Devastator as a large scale item this time?
A: The proposal was from Hasbro. They referred to it as "a kickass product", because Metroplex, a project that many fans wished for to be realized as a super giant product, was popular, it came to be that Devastator was chosen as the second one. It was done due to the timing of the Combiner Wars series just being developed, and so the plan to try and turn it into a product to symbolize the Combiner Wars was advanced. In order to cover the correspondingly large sum investment, it seemed to have been a difficulty even for the Hasbro company to let such a plan be accepted.

Q: How did you decide on the size?
A: The height of the previous figure Metroplex, I considered the play value of combining and it was calculated that the size would have "a height of 45cm". This height and "the fact that 6 Constructicons combine and turn into 1 robot", "that it woulde be 6 newer and different types of construction machines" were the essential conditions from the Hasbro company. To clear these conditions, it was okay to disperse/vary the height of the disconnected robots , although the design before and after combining changed from the time of G1, it was good. But afterall apart from myself I thought about how the respected G1 Devastator configuration should be; then I proposed the current design. Because I thought this was the course of action that the fans strongly wished for. So, implementing this height of 45cm was accordingly difficult, for the combining process several I had to come up with several clever ideas.

Q: In total, this is considerably close to the G1 version, right?
A: Concerning the points that are designed based on the original G1 version, it's constructed similar to a masterpiece (transformer). The toy of course incorporated elements of the anime design. In fact to clear the tight development schedule, there are parts where I apropriated ideas for use in an MP Devastator that I had written down a long time before. I thought: "doesn't this seem like the only chance I can make a giant MP Devastator, if I do my best here then the thing that the fans eagerly waited for can be realized". I had the sense that there was nothing like it before. If it surpassed a masterpiece wouldn't that be terrible (smile).

Q: What is the charm of the character of Devastator from your(Hasui's) point of view?
A: I think that he is a symbol of the strength of the Decepticons. Because the Constructicons combine and become the giant Devastator, an absolute power difference between the Autobots and the Decepticons is born. I think that the feeling of despair of the Autobots at that time is the charm of Devastator. Combining shook up the enemy side with the situation of the Autobots fighting against a giant enemy.

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Q: What were the points in development that troubled you?
A: Generally speaking the development schedule and parts count was strict, you know. Because making 6 voyager class (figures) rather than having prepared only a development schedule and parts count for making just 1 Metroplex (figure). Usually if you make one, an hypothesis is made for the mobility that every robot can use, the degree of mobility legs and arms move before and after. Generally, because there was no precedent for such a size of Transformers combiner, several things were quite difficult.

Q: For the modern combiner warriors multiple people were in charge, you (Hasui) alone were responsible for Devastator, right?
A: Yes. Because it was a product that if you did not make and look at the complete balance by yourself, you would never reach the goal. But, the advancement of 6 combiners at the same time was a continuous hardship which I had not experienced up to now.

Q: This time you turned surplus parts into weapons, right?
A: I was also able to construct it so that surplus parts got lost/disappeared, but if I did that the parts count and hinges would increase have and the cost would have risen. Still, at first due to making 6 (figures) and being at the limit, there was no spare room for making weapon parts. For that reason, to make them separate items at the time, I dared to propose to make a few parts into handheld weapons.

Q: In regards to the domestic version, there were some requested points from you (Hasui), I suppose.
A: Hisashi Yuki was responsible for the domestic version, he decided the specifications at the time, in the beginning he listened to/asked my opinions. Generally speaking for the foreign version, achieving the internal costs was number one, therefore he told me of opinions and ideas he held off on. Because his ideas were included there the final specifications of the domestic version were able to be made. The visor gimmick was Yuki's idea, you know.

Q: What kind of itmes are you (Hasui) presently in charge of?
A: Currently I'm in the middle of being in charge of foreign items. Of the currently released some things from "Generations", in "Adventure" I'm in charge of Big Bumblebee and Big Grimlock. For the extending gimmick in Big Bumblebee's feet I took some hints from 'Sky Garry'. For Big Grimlock also generally__ I became aware of a different transformation, it became a product that specialized in a degree of satisfaction and sense of accomplishment according to the transformation. For these the concept of Kung-Fu like and somewhat flashy transformations, that made you look and be surprised was called "Trans-Fu".

Q: Please let us hear the salespoint for Devastator as a developer.
A: For the domestic specifications I want the thought, that I wanted to focus on the separate characters, to reflect that. As separate items they are easy to play with, please experience the times they can turn into things that can be enjoyed. In any case I aimed to the last to produce the G1 image. I combined masterpiece and also scale, I aimed for a tall height that was bigger than Prowl and the others and smaller than Soundwave. After combining, in particular scenes the size was all over, but (smile) I combined the images and mixed together masterpiece and generations, if you can play with a Devastator that's just as you like that's enjoyable, right?

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Re: Takara Transformers Unite Warriors Discussion Thread

Postby Wolfman Jake » Thu Jul 30, 2015 11:46 am

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Very nice interview! That also sheds some light on how the "Devastaor will be released as 6 individual Masterpiece figures" rumor started a while back. Although I do appreciate the love and effort that went into Unite Warriors Devastator, I don't think it quite hits the "Masterpiece" mark when compared to the proper Masterpiece figures, but it sure does fill that gap in my Classics collection effortlessly.
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Re: Takara Transformers Unite Warriors Discussion Thread

Postby Cyberpath » Thu Jul 30, 2015 12:06 pm

The individual Constructicons look kind of "cheap" next to a real MP-figure, but the combined-mode seems to fit fairly well. Devastator could go with either CHUG or MP.

Sounds like Hasui is still invested in the MP line (that comment about making the Constructicons taller than Prowl but shorter than Soundwave for instance.) Which isn't surprising, the current incarnation of the line was his brainchild. But it also sounds like he's not coming back anytime soon..
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Postby User897 » Thu Jul 30, 2015 1:21 pm

Thanks again to Hasbro for making sure the USA version has less parts. :HEADHURTS:
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Postby william-james88 » Thu Jul 30, 2015 1:45 pm

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User897 wrote:Thanks again to Hasbro for making sure the USA version has less parts. :HEADHURTS:


I KNOW :-x When I read that interview, it was not hard to read between the lines and see what he was referring to. That statement explains everything, the lack of weapons, the odd joints, especially the deal with Scrapper's arms. Stability my a$$, it was just the ideal place to not have to install extra pieces. And plus joints demand more pieces since you have to deal with the pins as well (which he explains). It's reading stuff like this which makes me glad I got the Takara version. And I am super glad to know that their UW 04 is exactly what they wished their Devastator to be from their original planning.
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Postby Rated X » Thu Jul 30, 2015 1:48 pm

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Gotta love the way they avoided asking any question regarding Mixmasters alt mode. If I wrote the questions, I would have put his ass on the spot...str8 up !
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Rated X wrote:Gotta love the way they avoided asking any question regarding Mixmasters alt mode. If I wrote the questions, I would have put his ass on the spot...str8 up !
Hasui plainly said that one of the conditions set upon him by Hasbro was "that it would be 6 newer and different types of construction machines". Hasbro told him to make the vehicles that they wanted, so he did.
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Re: Takara Transformers Unite Warriors Discussion Thread

Postby william-james88 » Thu Jul 30, 2015 2:12 pm

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Rated X wrote:Gotta love the way they avoided asking any question regarding Mixmasters alt mode. If I wrote the questions, I would have put his ass on the spot...str8 up !
Hasui plainly said that one of the conditions set upon him by Hasbro was "that it would be 6 newer and different types of construction machines". Hasbro told him to make the vehicles that they wanted, so he did.


Yeah, thats what I gathered. He said making them more G1 was something that came later in the design phase. So it makes sense that the initial project as it was brought to Takara was to make it more of an update (generations style), as it was with Arcee when she was first brought to the table.

I find he doesnt stop himself from speaking of his frustrations, which makes this interview very honest, at least to me.
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Postby DedicatedGhostArt » Thu Jul 30, 2015 2:18 pm

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I think it's pretty cool to hear the opinions of the guy who is mostly responsible for this Devy. Now I'm starting to think I wanna save up for the Unite Warriors version instead of the retail version! Cuz Scrapper and Longhaul need elbows! :lol:
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Re: Takara Transformers Unite Warriors Discussion Thread

Postby User897 » Thu Jul 30, 2015 2:20 pm

Oh it's honest alright. An honest shaft to USA fans yet again. I am beyond tired of the "Oh yeah, we'll get it here in the USA, but if you want the REAL deal, you'll have to pay for Takara!"
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Postby Cobotron » Thu Jul 30, 2015 2:25 pm

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Re: Takara Transformers Unite Warriors Discussion Thread

Postby william-james88 » Thu Jul 30, 2015 2:32 pm

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User897 wrote:Oh it's honest alright. An honest shaft to USA fans yet again. I am beyond tired of the "Oh yeah, we'll get it here in the USA, but if you want the REAL deal, you'll have to pay for Takara!"


Well it's not his fault. I mean Hasbro gave him a limit on pieces, that sucks.

But I dont get the part of "paying for takara". We have to pay for Hasbro too and Takara is the same price, you just have to pay for shipping:

http://www.amiami.com/top/detail/detail?gcode=FIGURE-012326&page=top%2Fsearch%2Flist%3Fs_keywords%3Ddevastator%24pagemax%3D40%24getcnt%3D0%24pagecnt%3D1

18,730 Yen = 150.85 $ US

Same Price :DANCE:

Takara isnt getting more money from you than Hasbro would. They are actually getting less since they paid extra to give you better quality and financed their own internal design team when they could easily have just used the same Hasbro designs and called it a day.
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Transformers Podcast: Twincast / Podcast #361 - Doppelganger
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