New Galleries: Transformers Victory Liokaiser and the Breastforce

Glorious.

More combiner galleries, eh? 2001's Robots in Disguise Landfill, anyone?

This needs to be re-issued like now but with better paint jobs on the single figures heads, and with a bonus Deathcobra.

The "breast force" ?

Nice galleries as always, but what were they thinking ? That was the sake talking I guess...

ausbot wrote:This needs to be re-issued like now but with better paint jobs on the single figures heads, and with a bonus Deathcobra.

I was really hoping that this was going to be Encore #24- I thought Fort Max being rereleased meant anything was possible

Rated X wrote:The "breast force" ?

Nice galleries as always, but what were they thinking ? That was the sake talking I guess...

Our English is used a bit differently in Japan, a bit more liberal in overall definitions (like "smart" for "small"). Besides, it doesn't really refer to mammary glands per se, more like to their transforming Breastplates (yes, they are called that, and they do exist!).

Good to see the God of Combiners being in the spotlight in the galleries. This deserves a video:

Liokaiser was the best combiner of any 1980's Transformers fiction, being the only combiner who wasn't shown off all at once, but rather, was built up little by little over time, with each of his components getting some focus before the last member finally arrived and the time came for all of them to combine for the very first time, in which we got an epic fight scene that had Liokaiser actually come very close to winning. And every time he would return, he was virtually unbeatable.

Sabrblade wrote:Liokaiser was the best combiner of any 1980's Transformers fiction, being the only combiner who wasn't shown off all at once, but rather, was built up little by little over time, with each of his components getting some focus before the last member finally arrived and the time came for all of them to combine for the very first time, in which we got an epic fight scene that had Liokaiser actually come very close to winning. And every time he would return, he was virtually unbeatable.

Talk about real character development despite being a kids(?) show.Poor Cobra.......

fenrir72 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Liokaiser was the best combiner of any 1980's Transformers fiction, being the only combiner who wasn't shown off all at once, but rather, was built up little by little over time, with each of his components getting some focus before the last member finally arrived and the time came for all of them to combine for the very first time, in which we got an epic fight scene that had Liokaiser actually come very close to winning. And every time he would return, he was virtually unbeatable.

Talk about real character development despite being a kids(?) show.Poor Cobra.......

Poor Deathcobra indeed ...

Hey, any chance we'll see their European Autobot Counterparts? Their names suck though:

Rescue Force (Leozack)
Rescue Force 1 (Killbison)
Rescue Force 2 (Jallguar/Jarugar)
Rescue Force 3 (Drillhorn)

Big Rescue Force (Liokaiser)

Jeen0808 wrote:More combiner galleries, eh? 2001's Robots in Disguise Landfill, anyone?

They're on my list hopefully for later this year. I've got them pulled out of storage right now so that I can do their galleries at long last along with all of the other Constructicon galleries that are missing aside from the initial Constructicons and the Micromaster Constructicons.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Hey, any chance we'll see their European Autobot Counterparts? Their names suck though:

Rescue Force (Leozack)
Rescue Force 1 (Killbison)
Rescue Force 2 (Jallguar/Jarugar)
Rescue Force 3 (Drillhorn)

Big Rescue Force (Liokaiser)

You bet! Except I don't think I'm going to go with those ridiculous names (other than Big Rescue Force). It's obvious from those absurd names, as well as how they were portrayed in their one fictional appearance, that the writer had no idea what he was doing. "Rescue Force Jet Type", for example, will suffice similar to the unnamed Hasbro Powerdashers, which technically go by Powerdasher Drill Type, etc.

I also finished up the 13 necessary galleries for the Multiforce which includes Landcross, the 6 individual Multiforce members, and the 6 primary combinations (such as "Wingwaver" and "Waverwing") along with 1 shot of their other combinations along with using the reissue for the combination with itself (i.e. "Wingwing", "Dashdash" and so on).

The Rescue Force and the reissue Multiforce are next on my list, followed by Masterpiece Star Saber.

Victory has been assaulting my eyes, ears, hands, and face (somehow) over the past couple weeks. I feel so out of the loop, having never watched the series.

To that end, just bought the Shout DVD set of Victory off Amazon. I'll be in on these jokes and such soon. Well, probably not soon, but within a few months.


Edit: Can someone explain to me where Lio"kaiser" comes from? See below for source of this question.

ScottyP wrote:Edit: Can someone explain to me where Lio"kaiser" comes from? See below for source of this question.

The English names of many of the Victory characters, along with many other Japanese Transformers, are complicated by the Engrish on the boxes, the pronunciations in the shows, and the translations of their Japanese names. Other conflicting names are Minerva (Minelba), Jallugar (Jarugar or simply Jaguar depending on who you ask), Deszaras versus Deathsaurus, Brestforce versus Breastforce, Gaihawk versus Guyhawk, Liokaiser (pronounced like a "kaiser" roll) versus Road Caesar (pronounced like Julius "Caesar"). Other honorable mentions with screwy names and/or spellings are the Trainbots and the Dinoforce members. I don't have a specific answer to your question. As for the spellings on Seibertron, I usually do a bit of research first, and then list them based on what appears to be the most common acceptance of their name. It's not perfect, but it seems to work for the most part.

The real question I have is ... what the heck happened to their non-breastplate weapons? It's obvious to me that they were planned to have a secondary weapon at some point. This image from one of the Million Publishing books shows an image of what appears to be their individual weapons as well as a weapon similar to the weapon Liokaiser has in the cartoon. The combination aspect of these weapons is very similar to the combination of the Multiforce figures as well. It's a bummer that this set doesn't have these weapons ... it would be an even better set than it already is if they had them.

Seibertron wrote:The real question I have is ... what the heck happened to their non-breastplate weapons? It's obvious to me that they were planned to have a secondary weapon at some point. This image from one of the Million Publishing books shows an image of what appears to be their individual weapons as well as a weapon similar to the weapon Liokaiser has in the cartoon. The combination aspect of these weapons is very similar to the combination of the Multiforce figures as well. It's a bummer that this set doesn't have these weapons ... it would be an even better set than it already is if they had them.

Just speculation (obviously, I hope), but maybe those were the plan and then they went to the Breastforce weapons? Maybe they were going to be "DX Micromasters" like Landcross with melee weapons to counter their blasters and things changed? Only logical explanation I can come up with other than budget.

Those weapons and their combination reminds me a great deal of the ones that came with the Cyberverse sized Beast Hunters Predacons.

Seibertron wrote:

ScottyP wrote:Edit: Can someone explain to me where Lio"kaiser" comes from? See below for source of this question.

The English names of many of the Victory characters, along with many other Japanese Transformers, are complicated by the Engrish on the boxes, the pronunciations in the shows, and the translations of their Japanese names. Other conflicting names are Minerva (Minelba), Jallugar (Jarugar or simply Jaguar depending on who you ask), Deszaras versus Deathsaurus, Brestforce versus Breastforce, Gaihawk versus Guyhawk, Liokaiser (pronounced like a "kaiser" roll) versus Road Caesar (pronounced like Julius "Caesar"). Other honorable mentions with screwy names and/or spellings are the Trainbots and the Dinoforce members. I don't have a specific answer to your question. As for the spellings on Seibertron, I usually do a bit of research first, and then list them based on what appears to be the most common acceptance of their name. It's not perfect, but it seems to work for the most part.

It takes a bit Latin know-how for the "Caesar" part. You see, Victory actually used two pronunciations for that word:

1) For Liokaiser, the archaic correct "kaisar" (from which the German "Kaiser", Dutch "Keizer" and even Russian "Czar" are derived). In Japan that's rendered as カイザー (kaizā)
2) For Road Caesar, the more common English "seezah". Rendered in Japanese as シーザー (shizā)

Both are considered "correct", depending who you ask. The first one is used more often in mecha anime in various English spellings, like "Kizer".

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:It takes a bit Latin know-how for the "Caesar" part. You see, Victory actually used two pronunciations for that word:

1) For Liokaiser, the archaic correct "kaisar" (from which the German "Kaiser", Dutch "Keizer" and even Russian "Czar" are derived). In Japan that's rendered as カイザー (kaizā)
2) For Road Caesar, the more common English "seezah". Rendered in Japanese as シーザー (shizā)

The first one is used more often in mecha anime in various English spellings, like "Kizer".

I knew I could count on you! Cool stuff, and it makes my brain happy. Thanks

ScottyP wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:It takes a bit Latin know-how for the "Caesar" part. You see, Victory actually used two pronunciations for that word:

1) For Liokaiser, the archaic correct "kaisar" (from which the German "Kaiser", Dutch "Keizer" and even Russian "Czar" are derived). In Japan that's rendered as カイザー (kaizā)
2) For Road Caesar, the more common English "seezah". Rendered in Japanese as シーザー (shizā)

The first one is used more often in mecha anime in various English spellings, like "Kizer".

I knew I could count on you! Cool stuff, and it makes my brain happy. Thanks

Informally we use the different spellings (German vs. Latin) to differentiate between pronunciations. It's not as bad as "Gregevor" or "Rartorata" thankfully

I agree. This could really use a reissue. I would buy it in a heart-beat for its uniqueness. Ah well... until then, I have the cruddy dime store knock off...

Seibertron wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Liokaiser was the best combiner of any 1980's Transformers fiction, being the only combiner who wasn't shown off all at once, but rather, was built up little by little over time, with each of his components getting some focus before the last member finally arrived and the time came for all of them to combine for the very first time, in which we got an epic fight scene that had Liokaiser actually come very close to winning. And every time he would return, he was virtually unbeatable.

Talk about real character development despite being a kids(?) show.Poor Cobra.......

Poor Deathcobra indeed ...

Killings and destruction yey! But Leozack was so stoopid to believe that Hori could......(spoilers) you guys know what I mean.

If Tomy can eer get to restoring the Mastermolds of these guys, Deathsaurus especially, no need for an MP one to go toe to toe with MP Star Saber.

Btw Ryan, any chance for a comparison pic between MP Star Saber and G1 Deathsaurus? Pleeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaasssssssssseeeeeeee?

fenrir72 wrote:Btw Ryan, any chance for a comparison pic between MP Star Saber and G1 Deathsaurus? Pleeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaasssssssssseeeeeeee?

I can do that but there's not much to see since Deszaras was shorter than G1 Star Saber.

Ya know, it would be nice if Has/Tak made a Combiner Wars Liokaieser.

Seibertron wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:Btw Ryan, any chance for a comparison pic between MP Star Saber and G1 Deathsaurus? Pleeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaasssssssssseeeeeeee?

I can do that but there's not much to see since Deszaras was shorter than G1 Star Saber.

Make a heroic samurai slicing the enemy pose just like Kenshin Himura does and Dezaras falling..... that would be priceless(I know of the poseability limitations but couple that with the smoke effect you did for Exhaust........ )

I wish more combiner teams had themed helmets like these guys.

Noideaforaname wrote:I wish more combiner teams had themed helmets like these guys.

The RiD Teams had them too, and so did some of the teams from the Brave series.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Noideaforaname wrote:I wish more combiner teams had themed helmets like these guys.

The RiD Teams had them too, and so did some of the teams from the Brave series.

The Brave series doesn't count. Which RID Teams had them?

Seibertron wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Noideaforaname wrote:I wish more combiner teams had themed helmets like these guys.

The RiD Teams had them too, and so did some of the teams from the Brave series.

The Brave series doesn't count. Which RID Teams had them?

I think JelZe might mean that Team Bullet Train and the Build Team also head themed helmets like these guys do. Though, while the Breastforce has animal-themed helmets, Team Bullet Train has, well, bullet train-themed helmets and the Build Team has construction vehicle-themed helmets (Wedge's helmet is bulldozer-themed, Heavy Load's is dump truck-themed, etc.).

If not that, then I dunno either.

Seibertron wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Noideaforaname wrote:I wish more combiner teams had themed helmets like these guys.

The RiD Teams had them too, and so did some of the teams from the Brave series.

The Brave series doesn't count. Which RID Teams had them?

Both Team Bullet Train and the Build Team: the top of the helmets were based on the front of their vehicle modes.

You have seen the Victory Liokaiser gallery which is a combiner coveted by many fans. Now it's time to meet the wannabes. Perhaps maybe we should call these guys Liokaiser light? All kidding aside, the next Seibertron.com galleries that we present to you is the G1 European Rescue Force. These are redecos of 4 of the 6 bots that make up Liokaiser. They were released in European and Australian markets in 1992 and lack Breastplate partners and Liokaiser components. The upside is they came with newly cast weapons. Without proper names and packaged with the same card back they are generically refered to as Rescue Force Jet, Drill, Claw-Tank and Racing Buggy. These guys do get an A for effort as they work with what they got and combine to form Big Rescue Force. Click on any of the images below to see the full galleries.

G1 1992 Big Rescue Force




G1 1992 Rescue Force Jet Type








G1 1992 Rescue Force Racing Buggy Type








G1 1992 Rescue Force Drill Type








G1 1992 Rescue Force Claw-Tank Type

LOST Cybertronian wrote:You have seen the Victory Liokaiser gallery which is a combiner coveted by many fans. Now it's time to meet the wannabes. Perhaps maybe we should call these guys Liokaiser light? All kidding aside, the next Seibertron.com galleries that we present to you is the G1 European Rescue Force. These are redecos of 4 of the 6 bots that make up Liokaiser. They were released in European and Australian markets in 1992 and lack Breastplate partners and Liokaiser components. The upside is they came with newly cast weapons. Without proper names they are just refered to as Rescue Force Jet type, Drill type, Claw-Tank type and Racing Buggy type. These guys do get an A for effort as they work with what they got and combine to form Big Rescue Force. Click on any of the images below to see the full galleries.

G1 1992

Big Rescue Force




G1 1992 Rescue Force Jet Type








G1 1992 Rescue Force Racing Buggy Type








G1 1992 Rescue Force Drill Type








G1 1992 Rescue Force Claw-Tank Type

Oh the humanity.........

These guys aren't new to me, but I had no idea they had a combined mode. What season of Doctor Who? did that come from?

Emerje

Pretty sure I've seen RF Jagura called a "water cannon" in the checklist that came with them, but racing buggy's easier to explain. Which official source cleared up their names as "Rescue Force 1-4" recently? I bought the set from BBTS about 10 years ago, but misplaced poor Blue-J last time I reorganized.

My reason for buying it was to cannibalize Killbison's connector, as the LioKaiser giftset I shelled out $500 for in 2003 arrived with it pre-broken. Cannot say this enough times: Never EVER rotate the legs while attaching, removing, or generally playing with them.

I need to take that part out and cast a mold so I can make more sometime.

Since her only appearance was in the B&W manga for the longest time, am I the only one who used to use RF Leozack to represent Lyzack? Favoring Marvel over other continuities, I also call RF Drillhorn Borebit; cuz' y'know, he comes with those 2 extra bits! He's therefore always next to Drill-Dasher, since he also kinda' avoided having an official name, and therefore makes a fine Corkscrew. See, that's why I love those rare nameless but official TFs: like KOs, you can project whatever character you see fit onto them, except they're actually official!

So it's nice to see these 6 (BA-KOOM!), um, these 5 (FDAM! SPAKOW!), these 4 Autobots finally get their just galleries. Now RUUUUUUUUN!!!!

Bumblevivisector wrote:Which official source cleared up their names as "Rescue Force 1-4" recently?

A Transformers sticker book released in Europe by a company called Kent back in 1993 is what gave then their names.

Though, as of last year, Big Rescue Force finally got his own appearance in comic form in last year's BotCon comic "Hoist the Flag" as crowd filler.

Emerje wrote:These guys aren't new to me, but I had no idea they had a combined mode. What season of Doctor Who? did that come from?

Emerje

The molds have integrated hands and feet, the only loose piece is the helmet (which Rescue Force jet didn't come with).

Their quirkiness really makes me want to hunt them down, especially if someone makes reproduction weapons and Breast Animals.

Claw Tank is awesome! I wonder how much these cost. Probably $1800.

Something I'd never noticed is that Leozack appears to have the F-14A's deleted Wing Gloves sculpted on him, that's pretty obscure

Seibertron.com is extremely proud to present, keeping in mind the buzz surrounding the recent release of the latest incarnation of old school combiners in the Generations Combiner Wars line, a set of galleries eleven years in the making: the original Protectobot team, fire truck Hot Spot, ambulance First Aid, motorbike Groove, helicopter Blades and police car Streetwise - and their gestalt form, Defensor.

All the team members can be found below, by clicking on any of the images, and as you browse through the galleries, please bear in mind that the nice new stickers are indeed new sets, and the figures have been treated to a little scrub, too. But enough from us - head below for the main set!

G1 1986 Defensor








G1 1986 Hot Spot






G1 1986 First Aid






G1 1986 Blades






G1 1986 Streetwise






G1 1986 Groove

Finally the geewun love extends to Defensor!

Why did it take so long to release the Protectobot galleries?

OptimalOptimus2 wrote:Why did it take so long to release the Protectobot galleries?

Relevancy. The older galleries don't generate as much traffic as newer galleries. With the release of the Combiner Wars Protectobots, the G1 Protectobots are once again relevant since this is the first time ever they've had new molds that are intended to really be the characters they represent instead of repaints or remolds of other characters.

This is usually my strategy but poor ol' Metroplex got the short end of the stick a couple of years ago. Hopefully I can rectify that before the end of the year so that we can finally have galleries of Metroplex, Metrotitan, Trypticon, Gigastorm, and Encore Metroplex. The rumored "Platinum Edition" Trypticon set might give me my next excuse to bust out all of these guys later this year.

Great gallery. Defensor was my first combiner.

They look pristine with the scrub-down and new stickers. The joints seem tight, too. Is the process very time-consuming?


btw, Streetwise's legs actually extend and his chest is supposed to tab into the diecast like this:

Cyberpath wrote:Great gallery. Defensor was my first combiner.

They look pristine with the scrub-down and new stickers. The joints seem tight, too. Is the process very time-consuming?


btw, Streetwise's legs actually extend and his chest is supposed to tab into the diecast like this:

The "legs" are not supposed to be extended in robot mode. The leg extension is for when he's an arm. I like having the hood of the vehicle folded up like that because it looks more like a robot chest instead of the front half of a car on a robot's chest.

Takara...

Upsize CW Groove and give him a combiner port !!!

After nearly 30 years, Defensor gets the Ryan treatment!

ISP fart sorry!

So this particular set of figures, the Protectobots, are something I've been wanting to work on for 11 years. I have received dozens of requests for these galleries, particularly in the past 5 years as their absence from the galleries became more and more obvious. The first time I wanted to do their galleries was way back in May 2004 when I did the galleries for the Universe Micromaster Protectobots galleries. This very G1 Defensor made an appearance in that gallery.



Later that same year, Defensor made an appearance in Menasor's gallery. Fictionally, I always felt the Combaticons were the enemy of the Protectobots but toy-wise I always felt the Stunticons were their opposite.



Anyways, the Protectobots have been on my mind for the past 11 years. I've wanted to do their galleries time and time again and man did it feel great to finally do their galleries after all this time. I can't believe it's been that long. It seems like just yesterday that I did the galleries for the Universe Protectobots and the G1 Stunticons and wanted to do the Protectobots galleries. Time can be my worst enemy when it comes to Seibertron.com. Not that anyone other than me really cares about this accomplishment, but it felt really good to finish them. Finally, they have been completed right before I get my hands on the Combiner Wars Protectobots.

Metroplex, Trypticon, Metrotitan and Gigastorm are the other ones that really drive me crazy that I don't have complete yet. And the large G1 Targetmasters and the G1 Headmasters. One day!

Man, people griped about the CW Protectobots being armed to the teeth, but they're actually less strapped than the G1 team was. Those dudes have huge guns all over them.

Solid looking combiner! Nothing looks disproportionate and that color scheme has really grown on me. Now if only the CW version nixed the Cinderella feet in favor of something like OG Defensor.

I used to own G1 Defensor. Of the combiners, I started out not really 'wanting' him, but getting the Protectobots just because I had the Combaticons. But Defensor turned out to be the most surprisingly solid and well designed of the combiners. Like most G1 stuff, the articulation was minimal, but Defensor held together really well, stood easily, and did the best job of looking like his vehicle components turned into actual 'limbs' rather than just having cars and planes plugged into the core figure (with the exception of Streetwise of course).