Early Sketch of Fire Convoy from designer Hisashi Yuki
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Posted by fenrir72 on April 5th, 2015 @ 9:59pm CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on April 5th, 2015 @ 11:12pm CDT
Posted by william-james88 on April 5th, 2015 @ 11:18pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:Just further fuel to the fire of Car Robots/RiD 2001 being a part of the Beast Era (real world chonology-wise, not continuity subfamily-wise).
Haha! I think Air Attack Optimus Primal is all the fuel we need for that
Probably the best bio I ever read:
He is a hero from the future, whose courage, skill and wisdom are needed again, to lead the Autobots in their fight against Megatron and his evil plans for the planet Earth. Wise and strong, Optimus Primal councils Optimus Prime in the ways of defensive combat and serves as custodian of freedom. Helps others find their own strength to keep fighting despiste the odds. Brave and intelligent, he belives wholeheartedly in his cause and lights the fires of justice and truth in others.
Posted by Emerje on April 6th, 2015 @ 12:23am CDT
Emerje
Posted by fenrir72 on April 6th, 2015 @ 12:33am CDT
Sabrblade wrote:Just further fuel to the fire of Car Robots/RiD 2001 being a part of the Beast Era (real world chonology-wise, not continuity subfamily-wise).
Sabr, just from what future did Fireconvoy come from anyway? In the Japanese continuity anyway? Lio and Big came thousands of years after Primal if I got it right. So what about well these guys?
Posted by Flashwave on April 6th, 2015 @ 1:04am CDT
fenrir72 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Just further fuel to the fire of Car Robots/RiD 2001 being a part of the Beast Era (real world chonology-wise, not continuity subfamily-wise).
Sabr, just from what future did Fireconvoy come from anyway? In the Japanese continuity anyway? Lio and Big came thousands of years after Primal if I got it right. So what about well these guys?
Continuity, CR is supposed to slot in between G1 season2 and the movie, according to TFWiki, with some of Takara's creative edtting and a story that seems to "magic" everyone away for a time.
http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Transformers:_Th ... _Star_Gate
Posted by Sabrblade on April 6th, 2015 @ 1:14am CDT
It's never stated. Though, Fire Convoy did mention that he and Gigatron had known each other for 3000 years, but that could suggest a number of things.fenrir72 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Just further fuel to the fire of Car Robots/RiD 2001 being a part of the Beast Era (real world chonology-wise, not continuity subfamily-wise).
Sabr, just from what future did Fireconvoy come from anyway? In the Japanese continuity anyway? Lio and Big came thousands of years after Primal if I got it right. So what about well these guys?
Posted by fenrir72 on April 6th, 2015 @ 1:49am CDT
Sabrblade wrote:It's never stated. Though, Fire Convoy did mention that he and Gigatron had known each other for 3000 years, but that could suggest a number of things.fenrir72 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Just further fuel to the fire of Car Robots/RiD 2001 being a part of the Beast Era (real world chonology-wise, not continuity subfamily-wise).
Sabr, just from what future did Fireconvoy come from anyway? In the Japanese continuity anyway? Lio and Big came thousands of years after Primal if I got it right. So what about well these guys?
3000 years................
Posted by fenrir72 on April 6th, 2015 @ 1:51am CDT
Flashwave wrote:fenrir72 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Just further fuel to the fire of Car Robots/RiD 2001 being a part of the Beast Era (real world chonology-wise, not continuity subfamily-wise).
Sabr, just from what future did Fireconvoy come from anyway? In the Japanese continuity anyway? Lio and Big came thousands of years after Primal if I got it right. So what about well these guys?
Continuity, CR is supposed to slot in between G1 season2 and the movie, according to TFWiki, with some of Takara's creative edtting and a story that seems to "magic" everyone away for a time.
http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Transformers:_Th ... _Star_Gate
Yup. Takara shoe horned them alright. Then sending Brave Max to the future to throw Megs into prison and coming back to become the core of Autobot City then...........
Posted by griftimus prime on April 6th, 2015 @ 6:40am CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on April 6th, 2015 @ 8:45am CDT
They could have known each since before the era of the and . Though, as Fire Convoy was still a , perhaps only Gigatron and his team upgraded from to while Fire Convoy's stayed as . It's possible they could have come from a post-Beast Wars Returns, pre-Beast Wars II future era.fenrir72 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:It's never stated. Though, Fire Convoy did mention that he and Gigatron had known each other for 3000 years, but that could suggest a number of things.fenrir72 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Just further fuel to the fire of Car Robots/RiD 2001 being a part of the Beast Era (real world chonology-wise, not continuity subfamily-wise).
Sabr, just from what future did Fireconvoy come from anyway? In the Japanese continuity anyway? Lio and Big came thousands of years after Primal if I got it right. So what about well these guys?
3000 years................
Posted by william-james88 on April 6th, 2015 @ 10:13am CDT
Sabrblade wrote:They could have known each since before the era of the and . Though, as Fire Convoy was still a , perhaps only Gigatron and his team upgraded from to while Fire Convoy's stayed as . It's possible they could have come from a post-Beast Wars Returns, pre-Beast Wars II future era.fenrir72 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:It's never stated. Though, Fire Convoy did mention that he and Gigatron had known each other for 3000 years, but that could suggest a number of things.fenrir72 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Just further fuel to the fire of Car Robots/RiD 2001 being a part of the Beast Era (real world chonology-wise, not continuity subfamily-wise).
Sabr, just from what future did Fireconvoy come from anyway? In the Japanese continuity anyway? Lio and Big came thousands of years after Primal if I got it right. So what about well these guys?
3000 years................
Like Protoman had said? http://www.seibertron.com/energonpub/the-true-transformers-g1-timeline-what-to-watch-and-in-what-order-t102036.php#p1613182
Posted by NuclearConvoy on April 6th, 2015 @ 8:23pm CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on April 6th, 2015 @ 8:34pm CDT
Only sort of. It isn't outright stated what time period Fire Convoy's Cybertrons and Gigatron's Destrongers came from, but the Destrongers using the insignia would suggest a point after the Great Upgrade in the Japanese timeline. However, there's still the notion of the Destrongers still being large-sized Transformers instead of the human-sized ones that the Beast Wars characters were, so if the Destrongers did come from a / future era, we can only assume that, for whatever reason, they didn't downsize like the rest of 'em.william-james88 wrote:Like Protoman had said? http://www.seibertron.com/energonpub/the-true-transformers-g1-timeline-what-to-watch-and-in-what-order-t102036.php#p1613182
Posted by william-james88 on April 6th, 2015 @ 8:42pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:Only sort of. It isn't outright stated what time period Fire Convoy's Cybertrons and Gigatron's Destrongers came from, but the Destrongers using the insignia would suggest a point after the Great Upgrade in the Japanese timeline. However, there's still the notion of the Destrongers still being large-sized Transformers instead of the human-sized ones that the Beast Wars characters were, so if the Destrongers did come from a / future era, we can only assume that, for whatever reason, they didn't downsize like the rest of 'em.william-james88 wrote:Like Protoman had said? http://www.seibertron.com/energonpub/the-true-transformers-g1-timeline-what-to-watch-and-in-what-order-t102036.php#p1613182
Oh, the way I understood was that RID was much much after Beast Wars (long enough for the world to get back to what it looked like in the early 2000s, starting from ashes) and thus in Transformers evolution, the Maximals and Predacons gave way to a new breed of autobot and decepticon which resembled the g1 transformers of old.
Posted by Sabrblade on April 6th, 2015 @ 9:31pm CDT
Be careful how you use "RID" instead of "Car Robots" since RID's in its own continuity while Car Robots is the one in the JG1 timeline.william-james88 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Only sort of. It isn't outright stated what time period Fire Convoy's Cybertrons and Gigatron's Destrongers came from, but the Destrongers using the insignia would suggest a point after the Great Upgrade in the Japanese timeline. However, there's still the notion of the Destrongers still being large-sized Transformers instead of the human-sized ones that the Beast Wars characters were, so if the Destrongers did come from a / future era, we can only assume that, for whatever reason, they didn't downsize like the rest of 'em.william-james88 wrote:Like Protoman had said? http://www.seibertron.com/energonpub/the-true-transformers-g1-timeline-what-to-watch-and-in-what-order-t102036.php#p1613182
Oh, the way I understood was that RID was much much after Beast Wars (long enough for the world to get back to what it looked like in the early 2000s, starting from ashes) and thus in Transformers evolution, the Maximals and Predacons gave way to a new breed of autobot and decepticon which resembled the g1 transformers of old.
Anyway, Car Robots is officially set in the year 2000 with its Cybertronian characters coming from a future era that's never been officially determined.
Posted by william-james88 on April 6th, 2015 @ 10:12pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:Be careful how you use "RID" instead of "Car Robots" since RID's in its own continuity while Car Robots is the one in the JG1 timeline.
Anyway, Car Robots is officially set in the year 2000 with its Cybertronian characters coming from a future era that's never been officially determined.
Oh man, this is so complicated. But thanks for not giving up on me Sabr.
Posted by Sabrblade on April 6th, 2015 @ 11:07pm CDT
Sure. Which part is confusing you?william-james88 wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Be careful how you use "RID" instead of "Car Robots" since RID's in its own continuity while Car Robots is the one in the JG1 timeline.
Anyway, Car Robots is officially set in the year 2000 with its Cybertronian characters coming from a future era that's never been officially determined.
Oh man, this is so complicated. But thanks for not giving up on me Sabr.
Posted by NuclearConvoy on April 7th, 2015 @ 9:25am CDT
Posted by Sabrblade on April 7th, 2015 @ 9:57am CDT
Yep. It just wasn't made clear until 2007 since, at the time, the show was mostly self-contained and didn't boast about what continuity it resided in, so most took its self-isolation to mean that it was a completely new continuity altogether. The English RID dub likewise took this idea to heart and ran with it.NuclearConvoy wrote:I had no idea that Car Robots was actually in the JG1 continuity.
But really, because it's so standalone, it's able to occur in the JG1 timeline in the year 2000 with virtually no conflict with other media, as there's a lot of time that occurs between 1985 (G1 cartoon seasons 1-2) and 2005 (G1 movie).
Posted by NuclearConvoy on April 7th, 2015 @ 10:32am CDT
Sabrblade wrote:Yep. It just wasn't made clear until 2007 since, at the time, the show was mostly self-contained and didn't boast about what continuity it resided in, so most took its self-isolation to mean that it was a completely new continuity altogether. The English RID dub likewise took this idea to heart and ran with it.NuclearConvoy wrote:I had no idea that Car Robots was actually in the JG1 continuity.
But really, because it's so standalone, it's able to occur in the JG1 timeline in the year 2000 with virtually no conflict with other media, as there's a lot of time that occurs between 1985 (G1 cartoon seasons 1-2) and 2005 (G1 movie).
What source ties it into G1?
Posted by Sabrblade on April 7th, 2015 @ 10:46am CDT
First it was the 2006-2007 Kiss Players timeline, then it was the Kiss Players Position and Teletraan-15 Go! Go! fiction itself, which heavily involved Brave Maximus in the JG1 timeline.NuclearConvoy wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Yep. It just wasn't made clear until 2007 since, at the time, the show was mostly self-contained and didn't boast about what continuity it resided in, so most took its self-isolation to mean that it was a completely new continuity altogether. The English RID dub likewise took this idea to heart and ran with it.NuclearConvoy wrote:I had no idea that Car Robots was actually in the JG1 continuity.
But really, because it's so standalone, it's able to occur in the JG1 timeline in the year 2000 with virtually no conflict with other media, as there's a lot of time that occurs between 1985 (G1 cartoon seasons 1-2) and 2005 (G1 movie).
What source ties it into G1?
Posted by NuclearConvoy on April 7th, 2015 @ 12:12pm CDT
Sabrblade wrote:First it was the 2006-2007 Kiss Players timeline, then it was the Kiss Players Position and Teletraan-15 Go! Go! fiction itself, which heavily involved Brave Maximus in the JG1 timeline.NuclearConvoy wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Yep. It just wasn't made clear until 2007 since, at the time, the show was mostly self-contained and didn't boast about what continuity it resided in, so most took its self-isolation to mean that it was a completely new continuity altogether. The English RID dub likewise took this idea to heart and ran with it.NuclearConvoy wrote:I had no idea that Car Robots was actually in the JG1 continuity.
But really, because it's so standalone, it's able to occur in the JG1 timeline in the year 2000 with virtually no conflict with other media, as there's a lot of time that occurs between 1985 (G1 cartoon seasons 1-2) and 2005 (G1 movie).
What source ties it into G1?
Oh man, Kiss Players. I still need so many toys from that odd line. Probably the only line where the packaging is as much a part of the goods as the toys.
Posted by william-james88 on April 7th, 2015 @ 12:32pm CDT
NuclearConvoy wrote:
Oh man, Kiss Players. I still need so many toys from that odd line. Probably the only line where the packaging is as much a part of the goods as the toys.
You really need those little dolls? Because if not, then you can just get the alternators, they get cheaper everyday on ebay.
Posted by Va'al on April 10th, 2015 @ 1:10pm CDT
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on April 10th, 2015 @ 1:42pm CDT
Posted by Emerje on April 10th, 2015 @ 3:22pm CDT
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:I wouldn't call that X-Brawn a variant per se. Rather, it proves the point that the whole car shell is clear plastic, including the front and the hood. The retail version had it painted over all over.
The thing is regular X-Brawn/Wildride didn't have a gold chrome engine, it was silver(-ish). I think this was a test concept on how the figure would look with a visible engine through the hood. This probably gave way to the "super" figure having a gold engine and the exclusive clear variant that Takara sold at events.
Emerje
Posted by sol magnus on April 10th, 2015 @ 7:08pm CDT
Emerje wrote:JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:I wouldn't call that X-Brawn a variant per se. Rather, it proves the point that the whole car shell is clear plastic, including the front and the hood. The retail version had it painted over all over.
The thing is regular X-Brawn/Wildride didn't have a gold chrome engine, it was silver(-ish). I think this was a test concept on how the figure would look with a visible engine through the hood. This probably gave way to the "super" figure having a gold engine and the exclusive clear variant that Takara sold at events.
Emerje
Correcto.
I just sold my set off very recently.
Posted by Sabrblade on April 11th, 2015 @ 12:28am CDT
Posted by LegendaryAntiHero on April 13th, 2015 @ 4:23pm CDT