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Posted by Seibertron on August 17th, 2013 @ 8:14am CDT
Posted by Rated X on August 17th, 2013 @ 8:53am CDT
Posted by ~Oceans Moons~ on August 17th, 2013 @ 11:28am CDT
Posted by Mkall on August 17th, 2013 @ 11:30am CDT
Posted by Mindmaster on August 17th, 2013 @ 1:04pm CDT
As much as I want these out now, hopefully it will be another month or two down the road before they pop up. I have yet to see the first wave of the Generations: Thrilling 30 toys.
Posted by Seibertron on August 17th, 2013 @ 1:08pm CDT
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on August 17th, 2013 @ 1:10pm CDT
~Oceans Moons~ wrote:Finally a Hoist figure! Now I will wait for Hound. Please Hasbro release a new Hound figure.
There already is one, in two flavors:
Left is US Universe 2008 Hound, Right is Henkei Hound.
Posted by Metrosuplex on August 17th, 2013 @ 1:44pm CDT
But anyway, it does not transform well for me. The arms don't seem to tuck into the truck too well.
Posted by Metrosuplex on August 17th, 2013 @ 2:02pm CDT
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:~Oceans Moons~ wrote:Finally a Hoist figure! Now I will wait for Hound. Please Hasbro release a new Hound figure.
There already is one, in two flavors:
Maybe he wants a Commander-class hound? With the new scale on Megatron and Starscream, everything is just screwed up...
I'm not a big fan of the new scale... It does not merge well with the old toys.
Posted by RAcast on August 17th, 2013 @ 2:57pm CDT
Metrosuplex wrote:JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:~Oceans Moons~ wrote:Finally a Hoist figure! Now I will wait for Hound. Please Hasbro release a new Hound figure.
There already is one, in two flavors:
Maybe he wants a Commander-class hound? With the new scale on Megatron and Starscream, everything is just screwed up...
I'm not a big fan of the new scale... It does not merge well with the old toys.
The Seekers do just fine, since the Classics Seekers are so short anyway.
Posted by Ultra Markus on August 17th, 2013 @ 3:38pm CDT
Metrosuplex wrote:JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:~Oceans Moons~ wrote:Finally a Hoist figure! Now I will wait for Hound. Please Hasbro release a new Hound figure.
There already is one, in two flavors:
Maybe he wants a Commander-class hound? With the new scale on Megatron and Starscream, everything is just screwed up...
I'm not a big fan of the new scale... It does not merge well with the old toys.
a generations G1 inspired Arcee would be nice
Posted by Metrosuplex on August 17th, 2013 @ 5:20pm CDT
Ultra Markus wrote:a generations G1 inspired Arcee would be nice
Cue someone informing you of Energon Arcee some XX years ago...
I really doubt any G1 character will make the new release list, other than SS, Megatron, BB, and Optimus.
("Correction! Some other G1's were actually previewed at Botcon and SDCC! Heh huh heh huh!" )
Yeah, I know, but my point is that Hasbro has a very narrow focus lately. Remolds of BB and Optimus in 5 more scales is far more likely than a G1 Arcee! But hey, some loyal Hasbro-ites believe in miracles!
Posted by Mindmaster on August 17th, 2013 @ 5:24pm CDT
Metrosuplex wrote:Ultra Markus wrote:a generations G1 inspired Arcee would be nice
Cue someone informing you of Energon Arcee some XX years ago...
The only Generation One inspiration we got in Energon Arcee was her traditional colors, and her feminine build.
I wouldn't mind seeing a Generations Arcee. Hell, the War for Cybertron design is straight-up Arcee.
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on August 17th, 2013 @ 5:31pm CDT
Metrosuplex wrote:Yeah, I know, but my point is that Hasbro has a very narrow focus lately. Remolds of BB and Optimus in 5 more scales is far more likely than a G1 Arcee!
Hey, gotta keep the kiddos pleased too, you know?
But hey, some loyal Hasbro-ites believe in miracles!
Never hurts to dream In the 6 to 7 years of the total Classics-range (Classics, Universe, Generations) we've yet to see repeated upgrades. And now that Hasbro's dipping into the more risky and obscure, we should get Arcee sooner or later.
Mental Note: Bug IDW until they include Arcee into their current range. Extreme methods may be necessary
Posted by Ultra Markus on August 17th, 2013 @ 5:53pm CDT
Metrosuplex wrote:Ultra Markus wrote:a generations G1 inspired Arcee would be nice
Cue someone informing you of Energon Arcee some XX years ago...
I really doubt any G1 character will make the new release list, other than SS, Megatron, BB, and Optimus.
("Correction! Some other G1's were actually previewed at Botcon and SDCC! Heh huh heh huh!" )
Yeah, I know, but my point is that Hasbro has a very narrow focus lately. Remolds of BB and Optimus in 5 more scales is far more likely than a G1 Arcee! But hey, some loyal Hasbro-ites believe in miracles!
uh yeah.. i already know and have energon arcee and that does not fit a generations arcee. the animated arcee makes a better G1 arcee than the energon one. i'm talking like they have done for hoist or springer something along the lines like their doing now... give her figure a damn car mode for once.
Posted by RiddlerJ on August 17th, 2013 @ 7:25pm CDT
Hoist and Thundercracker are already ordered. I have Starscream and Skywarp so it'd be nice to complete the trio without the headaches that came with getting the Classics trio complete.
I do wish Hoist came with a more elaborate towing apparatus that turned into his wings but it's not a big deal. I probably won't pick up the third party wings.
Posted by Dyn@mo on August 18th, 2013 @ 2:59am CDT
Posted by RhA on August 18th, 2013 @ 5:10am CDT
Posted by steve2275 on August 18th, 2013 @ 6:14am CDT
Posted by ~Oceans Moons~ on August 18th, 2013 @ 11:52am CDT
Thank you for thinking about helping me. Sorry I didn't specify, but I already know about the two different Hound figures. I was just hoping for a newer one to be released...since well every time I find the older models from 5 years ago they're too expensive. Oh and I'm a girl by the way XD. I apologize for re-posting stuff or anything being posted on a different area here on Seibertron.com. I'm still trying to figure things out on this site.
Posted by Mindmaster on August 18th, 2013 @ 3:22pm CDT
~Oceans Moons~ wrote:Thank you for thinking about helping me. Sorry I didn't specify, but I already know about the two different Hound figures. I was just hoping for a newer one to be released...since well every time I find the older models from 5 years ago they're too expensive.
Amazon has some deals on Universe Hound. There are several offers, but the cheapest I could find for you is close to $40. Here is the link to several offers if you're interested.
Posted by Wh33l Jck on August 18th, 2013 @ 8:43pm CDT
Maybe its just the angle of the photo, but the size differentiation doesn't look that bad? I knew Hoist was going to be small so I thought the gap in size would be a lot worse.
Posted by Superwheeljack on August 19th, 2013 @ 9:18am CDT
Posted by Autobot032 on October 17th, 2013 @ 2:18am CDT
Also included is a gallery of his mold mate, United Perceptor. (Both of these come from the Reveal The Shield Perceptor mold.)
Without further ado...
New Galleries: Generations Magnificus and United Perceptor
Transformers Generations Magnificus
Transformers United Perceptor
Keep your optics tuned to Seibertron.com for latest in news and updates, plus the best galleries around!
Posted by Va'al on January 25th, 2014 @ 4:48am CST
Generations Whirl
Posted by Super Megatron on January 25th, 2014 @ 7:55am CST
Posted by Va'al on January 25th, 2014 @ 8:02am CST
Super Megatron wrote:He's unvincible? But that's unpossible!
Not sure if you're in on the joke, but just in case anyone wants to point out the spelling..
From MTMTE #12:
Rewind: "D'you mind if I film this? If I die, I don't want my last recorded footage to be of Whirl punching himself in the face to prove he's 'super-unvincible.'"
Posted by parc.elohssa on January 25th, 2014 @ 8:41am CST
Posted by Down_Shift on January 25th, 2014 @ 9:56am CST
Posted by Seibertron on January 25th, 2014 @ 11:37am CST
Down_Shift wrote:Any meaning behind the stickers posted on the front page?
Do you mean the stickers on the first page of Whirl's gallery? If so ... that's his sticker sheet!
Posted by Va'al on January 25th, 2014 @ 11:39am CST
Seibertron wrote:Down_Shift wrote:Any meaning behind the stickers posted on the front page?
Do you mean the stickers on the first page of Whirl's gallery? If so ... that's his sticker sheet!
I think he means the two stickers in this image:
Posted by bvzxa on January 25th, 2014 @ 11:48am CST
Va'al wrote:Seibertron wrote:Down_Shift wrote:Any meaning behind the stickers posted on the front page?
Do you mean the stickers on the first page of Whirl's gallery? If so ... that's his sticker sheet!
I think he means the two stickers in this image:
Reference to Wild Bill from GI Joe.
CW-4 stands for Chief Warrant Officer.
Posted by Down_Shift on January 25th, 2014 @ 12:30pm CST
Posted by Noideaforaname on January 25th, 2014 @ 1:34pm CST
As someone who grew up during Beast Wars and hasn't really ever seen a physical G1 toy, I'm always surprised to see their sizes compared to current toys. The ones I think are smaller always end up being much larger, and the ones that seemed big are actually pretty small...
'Course, I think here I simply assumed "Deluxe Vehicle" was the same as "Deluxe Class".
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on January 25th, 2014 @ 2:14pm CST
Noideaforaname wrote:
As someone who grew up during Beast Wars and hasn't really ever seen a physical G1 toy, I'm always surprised to see their sizes compared to current toys. The ones I think are smaller always end up being much larger, and the ones that seemed big are actually pretty small...
'Course, I think here I simply assumed "Deluxe Vehicle" was the same as "Deluxe Class".
In both cases, "Deluxe" means "larger than the standard toys" and it shows. The current "Deluxe Class" name stems from Beast Wars, when Hasbro first used fixed prices and toy sizes. The lowest was "Basic", the next "Deluxe", up to "Mega" and "Ultra". Nowadays, the main line starts with "Deluxe" so it kinda lost meaning.
Posted by Seibertron on January 25th, 2014 @ 2:17pm CST
Noideaforaname wrote:
As someone who grew up during Beast Wars and hasn't really ever seen a physical G1 toy, I'm always surprised to see their sizes compared to current toys. The ones I think are smaller always end up being much larger, and the ones that seemed big are actually pretty small...
'Course, I think here I simply assumed "Deluxe Vehicle" was the same as "Deluxe Class".
I've always wondered why they called those "Deluxe Vehicles". I'm assuming the term "deluxe" when applied to Transformers toys has a different connotation than it means to most toys or it lost its original meaning through the years. In the case of G1 Whirl and Roadbuster, I'm assuming "deluxe" referred to their significantly larger size than figures like Prowl, Shrapnel, and Bumblebee as well as the inclusion of many weapons and accessories. G1 Whirl comes with 4 large guns and Roadbuster has about 10 accessories from missiles, guns, vehicle attachments, etc. The term "deluxe" still gets applied to other toy lines, most notably action figure toy lines, where you usually see the same basic figure but with additional accessories, flight packs, outfits, armor, or whatever.
Now that we got a balls-to-the wall update for Whirl, I can't help but wonder how long it will be before we get a proper Generations Voyager Roadbuster.
I'm surprised that we got a Whirl that is so faithful to the G1 version. While I like the toy, it's almost too faithful to the G1 version ... it even includes a loose ball joint shoulder just like the original! While I like the new version of Whirl, I wish they had done something different with the legs to make them more poseable (that or I'm doing something wrong with his poses that seems to limit what he can do).
My surprise favorite of the new arrivals yesterday? Armada Starscream. I haven't really cared much for him up until I opened him. He's a great toy ... very poseable. It's a very nice figure. My surprise disappoint yesterday? Scoop. I was very excited about him when I saw him last year at SDCC. I thought he looked awesome. Unfortunately, his vehicle mode isn't very sturdy and it's a really basic transformation. Plus the light yellow is odd ... I wish they had used a darker yellow. Hopefully Takara Tomy does something better with his color scheme.
Posted by Seibertron on January 25th, 2014 @ 2:25pm CST
Noideaforaname wrote:
Sidenote about my G1 Whirl toy. His stickers were pretty bad. So I had removed them a few years ago ... probably the last time I had to pull him out for a gallery comparison (maybe Movie Whirl or Universe Whirl or something). I removed the stickers with the intention of getting repro labels or something to spruce him up. I forgot that I had done this and had put Whirl back in storage years ago without ever doing this and long before we ever got wind of a new Whirl toy. The toy itself is in great condition (except for the very loose ball jointed shoulders). I was surprised when I pulled him out of storage yesterday to see that he was missing all of his stickers! I ordered an original set of stickers off eBay yesterday from wheeljackslab so that I could make him look perfect. I'll have to ponder what to do about the ball joints. I don't want to use super glue. I have one on eBay that I'm selling currently in the Seibertron.com store that I tried to fix by taking him apart and applying a few layers of clear coat but that didn't do the trick either. Maybe it just needed even more layers of clear coat.
Posted by kirbenvost on January 25th, 2014 @ 2:44pm CST
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Posted by Mindmaster on January 26th, 2014 @ 1:53pm CST
Posted by JaffleMaker on January 27th, 2014 @ 1:27am CST
And wouldn't the owners be a little upset about this release since it so closely resembles the original toy? I might be missing something here, can anyone enlighten me?
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on January 27th, 2014 @ 9:18am CST
JaffleMaker wrote:Sooo.. since Takatoku went under in the 80's, who owns the rights to the Dorvack?
And wouldn't the owners be a little upset about this release since it so closely resembles the original toy? I might be missing something here, can anyone enlighten me?
In a nutshell: Takatoku Toys was bought out by Bandai, so they own the original toy designs and molds. Bandai subsequently licensed some molds to Hasbro for Transformers as it wasn't a major player in the US market at the time.
About it resembling the original toy so much, my theory is that by law, it's not completely based on the original, therefore not a complete ripoff. Instead, the design comes more directly from other sources including the comics commissioned by Hasbro. By law, this would render Hasbro the owner of the design of the toy. The same can be said for Megatron's little Chop Shop.
We actually had a nice little discussion about it in a different thread.
Posted by spark crusher on January 27th, 2014 @ 10:22am CST
Posted by Dead Metal on January 27th, 2014 @ 10:56am CST
Plus I believe that's what's supposed to be done.
Posted by Seibertron on January 27th, 2014 @ 12:34pm CST
spark crusher wrote:hes mistransformed here! i found that you can collapse his arms into his shoulders tightening the joints and fixing his proportions. spread the word!
Can you show a close-up of the shoulder joint? I can't tell what you did to "collapse his arms into his shoulders".
Posted by spark crusher on January 27th, 2014 @ 1:47pm CST
Posted by Seibertron on January 27th, 2014 @ 1:59pm CST
spark crusher wrote:yeah, sure. you just push the black post with the ball on into the torso. sorry for the crap pictures, its difficult to show. just make sure the bumpy bit on the black shoulder bar (see pic 2) is facing down so he still has shoulder articulation.
Wow! Thanks for the pics. The "ball joint" literally does push in. That's hilarious. No wonder why the left shoulder "ball joint" is loose because there's very little friction because the ball is supposed to be pushed in and is only there for transformation. The instructions do not show this step, which I just double checked.
As for Dead Metal's comments about Whirl's legs ... they are supposed to be inverted knees like that because that's how he looks in the current comics. I figured out something with his knees though that allow for additional poseability (it's basically a double jointed knee which I didn't realize in my initial photographs). Taking advantage of this double joint system allows for some addition poseability that you can't really do with just one knee joint.
You can reverse the legs if you want but the feet look really awkward with one support in the front and two supports in the back. I do think that the upper legs are misassembled. Hasbro and Takara are usually really good about making sure the front and sides of the robot modes don't show hollow plastic. The way the legs are show hollow spots on the sides of the upper legs but the upper legs look much better when turned around 180 degrees. Just the knees are awkward as are the feet when you do this.
I might have to take a few more pics of his robot mode to show off both of these things.
Posted by Seibertron on January 27th, 2014 @ 2:10pm CST
Posted by Dead Metal on January 27th, 2014 @ 2:16pm CST
Seibertron wrote:spark crusher wrote:yeah, sure. you just push the black post with the ball on into the torso. sorry for the crap pictures, its difficult to show. just make sure the bumpy bit on the black shoulder bar (see pic 2) is facing down so he still has shoulder articulation.
Wow! Thanks for the pics. The "ball joint" literally does push in. That's hilarious. No wonder why the left shoulder "ball joint" is loose because there's very little friction because the ball is supposed to be pushed in and is only there for transformation. The instructions do not show this step, which I just double checked.
As for Dead Metal's comments about Whirl's legs ... they are supposed to be inverted knees like that because that's how he looks in the current comics. I figured out something with his knees though that allow for additional poseability (it's basically a double jointed knee which I didn't realize in my initial photographs). Taking advantage of this double joint system allows for some addition poseability that you can't really do with just one knee joint.
You can reverse the legs if you want but the feet look really awkward with one support in the front and two supports in the back. I do think that the upper legs are misassembled. Hasbro and Takara are usually really good about making sure the front and sides of the robot modes don't show hollow plastic. The way the legs are show hollow spots on the sides of the upper legs but the upper legs look much better when turned around 180 degrees. Just the knees are awkward as are the feet when you do this.
I might have to take a few more pics of his robot mode to show off both of these things.
I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that the inverted knees where an option. Which makes sense, since if you turn them around, you get his "ski" feet the G1 toy has.
The current comic version having inverted knees isn't really a good argument, considering that it's a completely different design, including leg design.
The leg design is closer to Movie Starscream than this Whirl, since it's based on the G1 toy and not the comics bizarrely enough.
But I have no idea what the toy would look like with the legs turned that way, because nobody ever takes pics of them that way, and just goes off of the stock photos, which is hilarious considering the track-record those have with accurately portraying the toy's intended look.