More Sightings of Transformers Titans Return Voyager Broadside at US Retail

As much as I like aircraft carrier mode...space dolphin just doesn't do it for me.

I think the thing that annoys me most about Broadside isn't that he ended up with a bad jet mode - Triple Changers aren't easy to get right so I'm very forgiving if one mode doesn't look fantastic - but that it seems like it would have been so easy to make said jet mode... not exactly great, but at least somewhat passable. A few joints to make the 'space dolphin' fan mode official and fixed, and the wings moved up to the middle instead of lying at the bottom. Sure, it wouldn't be great, but it'd be kind of alright at the least.

While we're on the subject though; how hilarious would it be if Wave 6 did have two new triple changer Voyagers that share a mold... and they're G1-accurate versions of Springer and Sandstorm instead of Apeface and Snapdragon?

They're probably saving apeface and snapdragon for a beasts line

It Is Him wrote:They're probably saving apeface and snapdragon for a beasts line

But titans return has a bunch of beasts already. There will be no such thing as a beasts line.

It Is Him wrote:They're probably saving apeface and snapdragon for a beasts line

wave 6 voyagers

im trying not buy any voyager autobots.
so far so good.

The main single-release line is pretty Decepticon-centric, huh?

5 Decepticon Leaders to 2 Autobot Leaders (and both of those were in the first wave - every new Leader for four waves straight has been a Decepticon!)

5 Decepticon Voyagers to 4 Autobot Voyagers...

Pretty impressive considering the original toyline was practically 5:1 when it came to Autobots:Decepticons. I'm certainly not complaining

william-james88 wrote:

It Is Him wrote:They're probably saving apeface and snapdragon for a beasts line

But titans return has a bunch of beasts already. There will be no such thing as a beasts line.

Remember who the boss monkey is next year... and where he's from (in comic terms)

RAR wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

It Is Him wrote:They're probably saving apeface and snapdragon for a beasts line

But titans return has a bunch of beasts already. There will be no such thing as a beasts line.

Remember who the boss monkey is next year... and where he's from (in comic terms)

The vote was only just held a few months ago and the line should be coming out this very year. I highly doubt they have enough time to change the entire direction of the line based on that vote.

Kurona wrote:

RAR wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

It Is Him wrote:They're probably saving apeface and snapdragon for a beasts line

But titans return has a bunch of beasts already. There will be no such thing as a beasts line.

Remember who the boss monkey is next year... and where he's from (in comic terms)

The vote was only just held a few months ago and the line should be coming out this very year. I highly doubt they have enough time to change the entire direction of the line based on that vote.

No But you will likely get a mix of japanese Characters, beasts, and heck maybe fembots or what ever is a touch point to the options offered then they will adjust once they get to later waves in 2018 I think it's fair to see it as a 2018 line even if it might ship in last quarter 2017 - just as everyone ignores that Beast Wars actually came out in 1995 and not 1996. and that is assuming they don't actually release it in March 2018 and then use the extension of Titans Return to sell more Movie toys and perhaps release Titan Scorponok as Prime War II not Prime Wars 3 (if they wanted too).

I expect they likely realise they can claim mechanical animals are either beast related or just normal Decepticons depending on how the vote came out - like if Megatron had won you could still do Apeface Or the Terrorcons with no issues.

Heck they can easily make a 7th or even 8th Wave is they want to of TR and still end around the same sort of time.

I think we are assuming the line ends at wave 6 - But I've heard no solid confirmation of that yet.

Heck i'd much rather get two more TR waves and fill some of the important gaps in than jump tracks to early.

I don't think Prime Wars will be just Beasts - I just think it will have a fair few Beasts in it - especially if they end TR at wave 6.

I also expect some Japanese Zone/Victory Characters too.

Oh yeah, I'll totally be surprised if there aren't any beasts aside from Primal; I just really don't think it'll be centered around beasts.

Much as it pains me there's just too many clues that TR's gonna end at Wave 6. The Movie toys which Hasbro'll want to focus on are starting to be released, as are the Boxsets which, while we only have a single line's precedence of, seems to indicate that the actual waves of a line are starting to end.

I mean hell, we could get a Wave 7; certainly wouldn't mind, but it's not something I'm expecting.

Kurona wrote:Oh yeah, I'll totally be surprised if there aren't any beasts aside from Primal; I just really don't think it'll be centered around beasts.

Much as it pains me there's just too many clues that TR's gonna end at Wave 6. The Movie toys which Hasbro'll want to focus on are starting to be released, as are the Boxsets which, while we only have a single line's precedence of, seems to indicate that the actual waves of a line are starting to end.

I mean hell, we could get a Wave 7; certainly wouldn't mind, but it's not something I'm expecting.

No need for clues, hasbro confirmed at toy fair that it ends at wave 6 with potp starting jan 2018.

To sort of answer your question Will, I am preferring the look of the TR Kup, mainly because he and his IDW Revolutionaries self are now almost exactly the same look. Also, I will not call the titan master "Flintlock." that titan master's new name in my collection will be Ian Noble AKA Action Man

Kurona wrote:Still, Takara will almost certainly bring out the mold in the cartoon-accurate colours; so it shouldn't be a question for much longer. ... well, I mean, they're holding off Legends until August, so you'll have to wait for quite a bit. But still.

I am sure it could get a more cartoon accurate deco but it wont help, just like Springer's more cartoon acurrate deco doesnt help make it more "season 3"-ish. The chest for Gen Kup is much closer to anything resembling Kup. This TR one does something really off with that chest and those headlights. That top half is all wrong with the way the shoulders are and the overly angular arms which remind me of CW Breakdown.

All in all, this mold doesnt scream kup in robot mode, at least not the Kup I have in my head. I look forward to seeing him decod as a different character. Any really, I am actually warmer towards reuse of molds for characters I dont know since it becomes all new to me.

william-james88 wrote:

Kurona wrote:Still, Takara will almost certainly bring out the mold in the cartoon-accurate colours; so it shouldn't be a question for much longer. ... well, I mean, they're holding off Legends until August, so you'll have to wait for quite a bit. But still.

I am sure it could get a more cartoon accurate deco but it wont help, just like Springer's more cartoon acurrate deco doesnt help make it more "season 3"-ish. The chest for Gen Kup is much closer to anything resembling Kup. This TR one does something really off with that chest and those headlights. That top half is all wrong with the way the shoulders are and the overly angular arms which remind me of CW Breakdown.

All in all, this mold doesnt scream kup in robot mode, at least not the Kup I have in my head. I look forward to seeing him decod as a different character. Any really, I am actually warmer towards reuse of molds for characters I dont know since it becomes all new to me.

maybe its beacuse kup always has a backpack and he doesnt here.

Kurona wrote:While we're on the subject though; how hilarious would it be if Wave 6 did have two new triple changer Voyagers that share a mold... and they're G1-accurate versions of Springer and Sandstorm instead of Apeface and Snapdragon?

Oh, don't even joke! (Though actually if I'm being honest, I would be quite curious to see how that would look...)


As to Will's question also, I actually don't particularly like either of them as Kup to be honest. I don't actually have TR Kup yet so I can't give much of a personally-informed opinion on the figure itself, but I'm pretty turned off by the color-scheme and weird face (won't stop me from buying him as soon as I see him though! Seems like a great mold if not a great Kup). I've never had Gen Kup either, but I do have GDO Swerve, so I can say that I find that mold to be a bit too finicky and kibbly for my tastes. Bottom line, I honestly can't see Kup very much in either of his two Generations molds (nor his PRiD one either, which is my current all-purposes Kup figure). At this point it seems to me that Kup is in pretty much the same boat as Ironhide: perpetually getting toys that almost work but fall just short enough that I'm always disappointed by the end result.

Heh, that didn't actually answer your question at all did it? For what it's worth TR Kup will be my Generations Kup once I get him; mostly because I don't find either version better than the other, and it's a heck of a lot easier to just buy a toy off a shelf than to hunt for a well-priced good-condition secondhand one on eBay.

Kup looks like a fun toy, but my Kup needs are already filled by the Prime figure, which I actually quite like even with its issues. If they retooled/redecoed it though I'd buy it for sure- the question is who they'd do him as. It could work as a decent Ironhide IMO.

Black Hat wrote:Kup looks like a fun toy, but my Kup needs are already filled by the Prime figure, which I actually quite like even with its issues. If they retooled/redecoed it though I'd buy it for sure- the question is who they'd do him as. It could work as a decent Ironhide IMO.

I could see that Ironhide, Black Hat!

I was pleased with the reinvigorated (?) version of him for CW, but that Kup config would suit him better.

I actually think Kup could make a half way decent Crosshairs.

Love the aircraft carrier mode. Other modes...well...

Love the aircraft carrier mode. Other modes...well...

ThunderThruster wrote:I actually think Kup could make a half way decent Crosshairs.

That's the guy I could see them retooling this into. Been my thoughts since the first reviews came out

I was messing around with base modes this weekend and came up with this super tank mode using FortMax, Sixshot and Quickswitch.

Edit: rolls pretty nice too.

Sixshot in what I am calling his Armored Race Car mode

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:Sixshot in what I am calling his Armored Race Car mode

He GoT fEeTs!

Broadside disappeared from TFSource, but they do have the legends class dudes up for pre-order. I pre-ordered Brawn and Chase together to go with Artfire, so they'll get to me around the end of May

This is what you will find at the end of the rainbow

william-james88 wrote:This is what you will find at the end of the rainbow

Primus help me, I want Quake and Sky Shadow so badly

Hellscream9999 wrote:Primus help me, I want Quake and Sky Shadow so badly

Look away then, because here comes more wave 4 beauty. This is easily my favourite wave since it has the best mix of deluxes, great amount of paint and easily the best leader figure.



My little girl says hello

I am pretty sure Quake is the only figure I am skipping from this wave. Damn this will be expensive

Willie Jam! do the instructions show Perceptor's tank mode?

Cobotron wrote:Willie Jam! do the instructions show Perceptor's tank mode?

No they don't. You have to fiddle around with the transformation a bit to find the fight angle, but there are 3 clear wheels that end up on the bottom and the legs/treads peg into the main body. It's kind of weird because these have to be built into the design and are only used for tank mode, but no mention at all in the instructions.

william-james88 wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:Primus help me, I want Quake and Sky Shadow so badly

Look away then, because here comes more wave 4 beauty. This is easily my favourite wave since it has the best mix of deluxes, great amount of paint and easily the best leader figure.



My little girl says hello

Most excellent! It's great to see this wave altogether -- the only one I do not plan to buy is Krok! Kup and Percy look too good for me to pass up.

Is the general consensus that Krok and Quake look better than the original uses of the molds, fitting body aside? I've seen nothing but praise for them aside from the aforementioned that's-not-what-they-actually-looked-like-in-fiction-and-original-toy thing. Which is a pretty big thing, but when I don't really have attachment to any of these characters aside from Krok...

TF-fan kev777 wrote:

Cobotron wrote:Willie Jam! do the instructions show Perceptor's tank mode?

No they don't. You have to fiddle around with the transformation a bit to find the fight angle, but there are 3 clear wheels that end up on the bottom and the legs/treads peg into the main body. It's kind of weird because these have to be built into the design and are only used for tank mode, but no mention at all in the instructions.

OK. Well, it will be fun to figure out on my own.

Kev, I was thinking about you the other day, knowing you had scored Kup and Perceptor at Walgreens. If you don't mind, where do you hail from? Walgreens distribution is a puzzle to me and I'm just curious the size of your market. And have you seen all of them except Topspin?

Kurona wrote:Is the general consensus that Krok and Quake look better than the original uses

I'm not the general, but I would go with, "as good as".
I think all four have great decos, and the Wave 4 duo, do a great job of laying down a, I'ma different guy vibe.

Cobotron wrote:

Kurona wrote:Is the general consensus that Krok and Quake look better than the original uses

I'm not the general, but I would go with, "as good as".
I think all four have great decos, and the Wave 4 duo, do a great job of laying down a, I'ma different guy vibe.

Very nice to hear. I've heard nothing but praises for this entire Wave; is there anything bad in it?

//quietly shoves away the Titan Master Nightbeat re-issue

There doesn't seem to be anything bad here. Not at all!

'Fraid not.

Cobotron wrote:

TF-fan kev777 wrote:

Cobotron wrote:Willie Jam! do the instructions show Perceptor's tank mode?

No they don't. You have to fiddle around with the transformation a bit to find the fight angle, but there are 3 clear wheels that end up on the bottom and the legs/treads peg into the main body. It's kind of weird because these have to be built into the design and are only used for tank mode, but no mention at all in the instructions.

OK. Well, it will be fun to figure out on my own.

Kev, I was thinking about you the other day, knowing you had scored Kup and Perceptor at Walgreens. If you don't mind, where do you hail from? Walgreens distribution is a puzzle to me and I'm just curious the size of your market. And have you seen all of them except Topspin?

I'm in the Chicago area. Live in the south burbs, work in the north burbs, each with about 15 Walgreens within a reasonable drive. Good luck trying to figure out Walgreens distribution. You are right, I've found all of wave 4 except Topspin.

TF-fan kev777 wrote:

Cobotron wrote:

TF-fan kev777 wrote:

Cobotron wrote:Willie Jam! do the instructions show Perceptor's tank mode?

No they don't. You have to fiddle around with the transformation a bit to find the fight angle, but there are 3 clear wheels that end up on the bottom and the legs/treads peg into the main body. It's kind of weird because these have to be built into the design and are only used for tank mode, but no mention at all in the instructions.

OK. Well, it will be fun to figure out on my own.

Kev, I was thinking about you the other day, knowing you had scored Kup and Perceptor at Walgreens. If you don't mind, where do you hail from? Walgreens distribution is a puzzle to me and I'm just curious the size of your market. And have you seen all of them except Topspin?

I'm in the Chicago area. Live in the south burbs, work in the north burbs, each with about 15 Walgreens within a reasonable drive. Good luck trying to figure out Walgreens distribution. You are right, I've found all of wave 4 except Topspin.

AH HA! The GCLA (the greater chicagoland area). The Motherland of Walgreens!
Makes sense then. I used to live there too. You couldn't walk OUT of a Walgreens without walking IN to a Walgreens.

Kurona wrote:Is the general consensus that Krok and Quake look better than the original uses of the molds, fitting body aside? I've seen nothing but praise for them aside from the aforementioned that's-not-what-they-actually-looked-like-in-fiction-and-original-toy thing. Which is a pretty big thing, but when I don't really have attachment to any of these characters aside from Krok...

I preffer these two to the original mold releases. They both look like exclusives that would have once been out of reach for me and Krok has more paint on him than any other deluxe released by Hasbro since I started collecting. That does work against him though since the paint will make some parts thicker than others and thus tighter but not in a good way but that will differ from figure to figure.

As for everything being perfect in this line, afraid not. Both the titan master and legends offerings are the worst we had in terms of new toys. And from reviews, only shuffler is decent for the titan masters while brawn is all that is really new for the legends class. Plus perceptor is kinda weak with his gimpy tabs and the fact that Hasbro chose to reference the mobile laboratory mode instead of his much better original diaclone tank mode. Both of which could be achieved on the G1 toy but they totally ruin the legit tank mode here by not providing any ground clearance for it.

And Bodrock, that is some smart thinking, i hope you do get to experience this wonderful Kup mold but in a more worthy deco.

Did anyone see how TF Source advertises the plane mode for Broadside?

https://tfsource.com/titans-return/voya ... broadside/

Yeeesh! and we thought it looked bad when it's transformed as designed

william-james88 wrote:Did anyone see how TF Source advertises the plane mode for Broadside?

https://tfsource.com/titans-return/voya ... broadside/

Third alt mode as giant space carrier I guess...

Emerje

Emerje wrote:Third alt mode as giant space carrier I guess...

Emerje

Urgh, Sky Gary has a way more convincing space carrier mode.

By the way does anyon else have perceptor to let me know if I am the only one who thinks he's a bit weak sauce when it comes to tabbing.

william-james88 wrote:

Emerje wrote:Third alt mode as giant space carrier I guess...

Emerje

Urgh, Sky Gary has a way more convincing space carrier mode.

By the way does anyon else have perceptor to let me know if I am the only one who thinks he's a bit weak sauce when it comes to tabbing.

Yeah, I'm right there with you on Perceptor. Robot mode is nice and everything else is kind of meh. Not terrible, but not really that great.

william-james88 wrote:Did anyone see how TF Source advertises the plane mode for Broadside?

https://tfsource.com/titans-return/voya ... broadside/

ok...am I missing something?---

First off...yes I agree this is a goofy-as-heck alt mode...but isn't that the official correct way to transform it according to the instructions? I mean this is actually what it looked like IIRC form early and prominent toy reviewers on Youtube. Of course I've seen much more practical fan modes...but I thought this was the official way it was supposed to look according to Hasbro's instructions...?

o.supreme wrote:First off...yes I agree this is a goofy-as-heck alt mode...but isn't that the official correct way to transform it according to the instructions? I mean this is actually what it looked like IIRC form early and prominent toy reviewers on Youtube. Of course I've seen much more practical fan modes...but I thought this was the official way it was supposed to look according to Hasbro's instructions...?

No, its not and thats the joke, this is just really badly mistransformed, this is what it should look like:



And Thank Kev fan! Glad to know I am not alonw. I think that will be a general opinion once more people get these toys.

william-james88 wrote:No, its not and thats the joke, this is just really badly mistransformed, this is what it should look like:

Oh ok...so the arm thingies are pushed up forward instead of back. Actually as messed up as this alt mode is, I'm surprised anyone could tell it was so subtle. I was concentrating more on the back as no plane should ever look like that

I guess if I can give Broadside anything in regards to that jet mode; if one vehicle mode or the other had to be sacrificed, I'm glad it was the jet mode. We get a ton of planes but, like, we never get any sea vehicles. So it's nice that at least the one time we get a sea vehicle it does look rather lovely. Imagine if that was the one that looked hideous...

Kurona wrote:I guess if I can give Broadside anything in regards to that jet mode; if one vehicle mode or the other had to be sacrificed, I'm glad it was the jet mode. We get a ton of planes but, like, we never get any sea vehicles. So it's nice that at least the one time we get a sea vehicle it does look rather lovely. Imagine if that was the one that looked hideous...

My problem with the plane mode is that it could easily be better, there are choices here that are just really dumb such as these:

- fake aircraft carrier kibble found at the front: it doesnt serve any mode and is not present on the aircraft carrier mode so all it does is muddy the plane, at least the plane could have a nice front if those sides were left bare.

- backwards tail fins: this too serves nothing of purpose in other modes, so why not just have them face the right way?

Also, Kurona, you were curious about Perceptor and why he was the weakest link. I hope me and kev fan answered your question.