More Images of Gen Selects Trailbreaker in Toon Colours

That is way too light, geez. That is Takara-deco Galvatron levels of too light. That is not cartoon accurate at all. He shouldn't be any lighter than a charcoal color N64, and frankly just the same black as the regular deco would be fine.

Maybe instead of firing artists, Crispy Cox should have demoted or at least reprimanded whoever it is that picks coloration by just scrolling down to the first couple cartoon ref pics on the TFwiki page and then calling it a day. But then, Crispy Cox hasn't shown himself to be a very intelligent or wise person.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:It's also quite noticeable on SS86 Ratchet and Ironhide.

Didn't look that noticeable to me when I saw them on the pegs in stores. *shrug*

Forgive me to skim over your posts because they are quite long and TlDr and such.

But man, that Sunny-T of yours will be impossible to fix, unless by some miracle you land on a scrap ER Sunstreaker, or the Selects repaints that happen to have the part you need unbroken.

Nothing's broken per se, the missing foot was popped off cleanly. And I was planning on scratchbuilding a replacement left foot using the right foot as a guide.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:That is way too light, geez.

The lighting in those black background pics is too intense. It's making even the original Earthrise version look brighter than it really is. The black canopy of the Earthrise figure looks gold brown in that lighting.

Normally I don't care for 'toon accuracy, but I think I'm getting won over with the replacement of transparent plastic with opaque. That alone already feels like a good change...
I do understand why people love it, don't get me wrong, but I personally love opaque plastics instead.

Nice figure but I hate the fists crearly evident under the vehicle in the alt mode: there's plenty of room under that hood, how couldn.'t They find a way to hide hands and forearms?

Word of warning. Someone on Facebook has posted pics of fan customs of Siege Hound, SS86 Jazz, and the Earthrise versions of Wheeljack, Sunstreaker, and Trailbreaker standing on a SS86 background. If you see these pics or see someone sharing them thinking they're pics of the Selects 5-pack, know that they are nothing more than fan customs with Autobot symbol stickers and not the pics of the 5-pack at all.

JTPrime17 just posted more updates on previously-known listings, meaning we now know the contents of the 3-pack as well:
TRA GEN SELECTS DLX 3 PACK TREDS, PATHFINDER, & SMALLFOOT
Product Number: F9650

Sad my prediction of the eHobby/SG Insecticons was off, but I'm actually more excited about this than I would have been about Insecticlones (and it was still eHobby-based, so I guess I was half-right?).

Nemesis Primal wrote:JTPrime17 just posted more updates on previously-known listings, meaning we now know the contents of the 3-pack as well:
TRA GEN SELECTS DLX 3 PACK TREDS, PATHFINDER, & SMALLFOOT
Product Number: F9650

Sad my prediction of the eHobby/SG Insecticons was off, but I'm actually more excited about this than I would have been about Insecticlones (and it was still eHobby-based, so I guess I was half-right?).

Does this complete our set of 6 Gobots now?

Barricade.it wrote:Nice figure but I hate the fists crearly evident under the vehicle in the alt mode: there's plenty of room under that hood, how couldn.'t They find a way to hide hands and forearms?

They probably could have, but it would have required 'more engineering' which they weren't willing to do at that price point. This is an issue with this mold that goes all the way back to Earthrise Hoist.

I’m also cautiously going with the notion that the black background is throwing the colours off a bit in the photos… he actually doesn’t look bad solo, and indeed much closer to that N64 colour that was mentioned, so hopefully that’s a more accurate in hand representation.

I still personally prefer the original, just because it reminds me of the original G1 toy, but will be picking up this pack all the same… my main gripe with this fella as it stands are the wheel colours.

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

Nemesis Primal wrote:JTPrime17 just posted more updates on previously-known listings, meaning we now know the contents of the 3-pack as well:
TRA GEN SELECTS DLX 3 PACK TREDS, PATHFINDER, & SMALLFOOT
Product Number: F9650

Sad my prediction of the eHobby/SG Insecticons was off, but I'm actually more excited about this than I would have been about Insecticlones (and it was still eHobby-based, so I guess I was half-right?).

Does this complete our set of 6 Gobots now?

Nope, just need Bad Boy now and he will likely have to wait for a new Powerglide, which is inevitable at this point.

So it was the left one LOL

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:

sol magnus wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:The pack should be cheaper IMO, especially if they're going to inflict the smegging Happy Meal toy windows on the figures.

Ugh, I guess the only good thing about this pack is that the people who for some reason like their Transformers to look like cheap Happy Meal toys might unload their good Trailbreakers and Sunstreakers.

No. It's not about the windows, although I dom't mind that. The good thing about this set is the durability of the toys being increased over the original versions due to the hard plastic.

1a. The original versions were already hard plastic. Inflicting them with Happy Meal toy windows won't magically make it be any harder.

1b. Softer plastic is often actually more durable, because it's less brittle.
2. AFAIC literally the only good thing about this set - and even then, it's a case of "every cloud has a silver lining" - is that people who get it selling off their Earthrise versions of Sunstreaker and Trailbreaker might mean this still gives people a shot at getting those for a reasonable price.

sol magnus wrote:And because Hound was always going to have the 'happy meal toy' windows, if you were going to get him you were going to get that.

1. Hound has exactly ONE window, his windshield. 2. Your proof of this is...? Especially considering Detritus has a clear windshield? 3. Even if Hound was stuck with that, why should the rest of the pack be rendered inferior on his account?

You wrote a lot. I read everything, but I'm highlighting our discourse because I'd get lost otherwise.

1a. Didja Get dead Ironhide and Prowl? They are substantially more dense. And while Ironhide may not have had any serious durability issues I'm sure you are well aware of the clear plastic parts on the Datsun molds having been reported to break.

1b. I'm not disagreeing, but that was a beside the point topic for me.

1. Yet, going back to the plastic used on the Prowl mold (and Irohide, just not as toward the point), Hound very likely will have that same density increase as the others, or not. Honestly, I wasn't arguing about the quality in his case - just that as a Studio Series 86 release he was going to have the same treatment as the other BBB SS86 releases, namely Kup and Cliffjumper. Detritus is irrelevant here.

Found a photo of the 5-pack Wheeljack…
I like it. I was in either way, but I like it.

Sowndwave76 wrote:Found a photo of the 5-pack Wheeljack…
I like it. I was in either way, but I like it.

Looks exactly like I pictured.

Sowndwave76 wrote:Found a photo of the 5-pack Wheeljack…
I like it. I was in either way, but I like it.

Is it just me or is anyone else wondering how far the aftermarket prices on the Masterpieces will drop?

I still don't get why Hasbro thought it was a good idea to square off the bottom of Wheeljack's windshield in robot mode like that, when it would have been very easy for them to have left it rounded off even when removing the rest of it from vehicle mode to make it smaller in robot mode. Now, the opaque plastic for the windshield just makes that squared off bottom all the more noticeable.

By "rounded off", I mean looking like this:

chuckdawg1999 wrote:

Sowndwave76 wrote:Found a photo of the 5-pack Wheeljack…
I like it. I was in either way, but I like it.

Is it just me or is anyone else wondering how far the aftermarket prices on the Masterpieces will drop?

I wish the ER Seeker mold was much cleaner... I'm glad I have all 6 of those voyagers, and I told myself when it arrived that Starscream was going to be my last MP... But I've always loved the look of Skywarp, and if the price was lower I'd possibly bite on the MP. I've been very tempted by the DS version even though it's a larger mold than Takara's.
Unfortunately, it seems like the ER mold will be the best mainline option for quite a while. So MP Skywarp is one where I don't think the prices will go down much at all. But for a few of these Autobots, who knows. It may be more a matter of time, where down the road sellers realize there aren't as many interested buyers, and eventually are more reasonable with their asking prices when it becomes clear that's the only option if they're really wanting to get any money for them.


Hastak probably should've curved the windshield on this Wheeljack mold (meaning, even back when the ER version was released).
It would've been just a little bit more molding to cut a curved line that ended the windshield and met a white portion of plastic for the lower torso. Whether or not they wanted to make that white portion angle down to a point, a rounded-off windshield still would've looked better than the larger, squared-off one they've stuck with.

chuckdawg1999 wrote:

Sowndwave76 wrote:Found a photo of the 5-pack Wheeljack…
I like it. I was in either way, but I like it.

Is it just me or is anyone else wondering how far the aftermarket prices on the Masterpieces will drop?

I don't see how. If we are talking about Wheeljack, that MP is still the best WJ out there. Plus MP is a different scale entirely and they have licensed alt modes.

Prime vs Prime posted a review of deluxe Studio Series ROTB Wheeljack and inside it, we get a glimpse of a new never before seen Wheeljack toy. It's the Earthrise mold, but in a toon accurate deco with an opaque window. This is most probably from the upcoming 5 pack in the gen selects line which also features Hound, Trailbreaker (who we've also seen), Sunstreaker and Jazz. They should all have opaque windows and toon accurate decos.

Also, this will be the way we finally get a release of the earth mode Hound mold in Hound colours. For those unaware, it is being released in a 5 pack after the original plans for an individual release were cancelled by Target due to their poor logistics when handling previous Buzzworthy Bumblebee releases.

Below is the image of Wheeljack along with the review it comes from.

Wow, that Wheeljack looks really ... not good. The blue completely overwhelms the figure.

Gauntlet101010 wrote:Wow, that Wheeljack looks really ... not good. The blue completely overwhelms the figure.

Yet another reason the windshield shouldn't have been squared off on the bottom.

Sabrblade wrote:

Gauntlet101010 wrote:Wow, that Wheeljack looks really ... not good. The blue completely overwhelms the figure.

Yet another reason the windshield shouldn't have been squared off on the bottom.

Doesn't it being squared off give it less blue? With at least the remaining semi circle of blue removed from the sea of blue?

william-james88 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Gauntlet101010 wrote:Wow, that Wheeljack looks really ... not good. The blue completely overwhelms the figure.

Yet another reason the windshield shouldn't have been squared off on the bottom.

Doesn't it being squared off give it less blue? With at least the remaining semi circle of blue removed from the sea of blue?

No it gives it more. Rounding it off would have cut off some of the blue area.

Rodimus Prime wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Gauntlet101010 wrote:Wow, that Wheeljack looks really ... not good. The blue completely overwhelms the figure.

Yet another reason the windshield shouldn't have been squared off on the bottom.

Doesn't it being squared off give it less blue? With at least the remaining semi circle of blue removed from the sea of blue?

No it gives it more. Rounding it off would have cut off some of the blue area.

Indeed. Here is a crude illustration of what I mean. On the left is the official robot mode cutting of the windshield, on the right is how I wish it was cut:

Sabrblade wrote:

Gauntlet101010 wrote:Wow, that Wheeljack looks really ... not good. The blue completely overwhelms the figure.

Yet another reason the windshield shouldn't have been squared off on the bottom.

It's not hard to figure out, if they left it rounded it would sit far below his waist and interfere with the swivel. This is more of a compromise since it allows full articulation and it pulls the bottom of the windshield up nearly as high as it is in the cartoon even if it means changing the shape.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Gauntlet101010 wrote:Wow, that Wheeljack looks really ... not good. The blue completely overwhelms the figure.

Yet another reason the windshield shouldn't have been squared off on the bottom.

It's not hard to figure out, if they left it rounded it would sit far below his waist and interfere with the swivel. This is more of a compromise since it allows full articulation and it pulls the bottom of the windshield up nearly as high as it is in the cartoon even if it means changing the shape.

Emerje

See my illustration above that shows what I mean. It needed to not only be rounded, but also smaller, which would place it above the waist rather than down in front of it.

william-james88 wrote:

chuckdawg1999 wrote:

Sowndwave76 wrote:Found a photo of the 5-pack Wheeljack…
I like it. I was in either way, but I like it.

Is it just me or is anyone else wondering how far the aftermarket prices on the Masterpieces will drop?

I don't see how. If we are talking about Wheeljack, that MP is still the best WJ out there. Plus MP is a different scale entirely and they have licensed alt modes.

Because lately Hasbro has been giving us animation accurate figures that are "Close Enough" for most people so they can skip on the MPs. I have both versions of Wheeljack and while they're fantastic, if I had this version first I wouldn't have gotten the MP. The Masterpieces deliver in accessories and little touches that make them stand out.

Yeah looks a bit better than the previous two, but not much. Never was a fan of this mould. Wheeljack, sunstreaker and mirage were a bit disappointing compared to other excellent figures we’ve had recently.

Will I get this? Probably will for hound and I liked the trail breaker, .

Waiting for the destroyed ss86 version now… also, once they release a powerglide, I’m expecting a full hoist goes to Hollywood box set,

Sabrblade wrote:

Emerje wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Gauntlet101010 wrote:Wow, that Wheeljack looks really ... not good. The blue completely overwhelms the figure.

Yet another reason the windshield shouldn't have been squared off on the bottom.

It's not hard to figure out, if they left it rounded it would sit far below his waist and interfere with the swivel. This is more of a compromise since it allows full articulation and it pulls the bottom of the windshield up nearly as high as it is in the cartoon even if it means changing the shape.

Emerje

See my illustration above that shows what I mean. It needed to not only be rounded, but also smaller, which would place it above the waist rather than down in front of it.

No, I get the differences, but making it smaller would have also meant making the car mode somehow smaller since it's not a fake part. Changing the shape of the windshield and roof would have meant making it too small for the car mode, it's already quite small. Only way to get the the chest right is too entirely start over again.

Emerje

The only way for that Wheeljack to have the "right" chest would have to use a fake part. It could have been possible to do, but they went the other route.

In clear brown, that chest work, but in "cartoon" baby-blue, it's just ugly.

-Kanrabat- wrote:In clear brown, that chest work, but in "cartoon" baby-blue, it's just ugly.

Even though I prefer the opaque windows I do wish they wouldn't use that bright blue. The cartoon used the bright blue sparingly, usually going for a pale blue.





Emerje

Emerje wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:In clear brown, that chest work, but in "cartoon" baby-blue, it's just ugly.

Even though I prefer the opaque windows I do wish they wouldn't use that bright blue. The cartoon used the bright blue sparingly, usually going for a pale blue.


Emerje

These "cartoon" windows on the toys would work much better if it were à print of some "cell-shaded reflexion." Not a plain, unified color.

Toyhax may fix this with Reprolabels, but it should have been done since the start.

Here's a better example of what I mean, showing the whole windshield in its vehicle mode shape, but with the cutting for robot mode still visible. On the left is the official cutting, on the right is my suggestion:



Or, hey, if nothing else, shaping the whole windshield like how it's shaped on the Authentics figure (which already cribs much of its design and transformation from the Earthrise figure, just made more simplified) would have been just fine:

-Kanrabat- wrote:These "cartoon" windows on the toys would work much better if it were à print of some "cell-shaded reflexion." Not a plain, unified color.

For the 35th anniversary, Hasbro repainted some Siege figures with cell shading, offered through Walmart. I'm not sure what the overall consensus was. If they were liked or not? I don't really mind either way. I've just seen some other companies try to do it was comic book based characters (Like Batman for instance) and the fans of those lines seem pretty negative towards it.

o.supreme wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:These "cartoon" windows on the toys would work much better if it were à print of some "cell-shaded reflexion." Not a plain, unified color.

For the 35th anniversary, Hasbro repainted some Siege figures with cell shading, offered through Walmart. I'm not sure what the overall consensus was. If they were liked or not? I don't really mind either way. I've just seen some other companies try to do it was comic book based characters (Like Batman for instance) and the fans of those lines seem pretty negative towards it.

The problem with those release were that they cell shaded the whole figures, not just the windows.

Wow... not feeling Wheeljack at all, the opaque sky blue wind shield looks really odd with the squared off corners.

The issue is the rest of the car windshield needs to tuck into the shins, so not sure they could re-tool it to cut it any other way, or if it would have even been worth it to do.

Though, I'm still kind off annoyed its the only way to get Sunstreaker at a decent price.

Prepare for a flood of Wheeljacks hitting eBay once this 5 pack is released. I mean does anybody still need a Wheeljack at this point? One as awkward as Siege with opaque windows?

Somehow the squared off windshield looked less odd when done in translucent smokey black.

thought that was just a bad digi bash, if not then it really highlights how sausages the windows are on that wheeljack figure (I only picked up netflix version because it was £7). He could definitely have done with a retool like Hound.

TF-fan kev777 wrote:

o.supreme wrote:

-Kanrabat- wrote:These "cartoon" windows on the toys would work much better if it were à print of some "cell-shaded reflexion." Not a plain, unified color.

For the 35th anniversary, Hasbro repainted some Siege figures with cell shading, offered through Walmart. I'm not sure what the overall consensus was. If they were liked or not? I don't really mind either way. I've just seen some other companies try to do it was comic book based characters (Like Batman for instance) and the fans of those lines seem pretty negative towards it.

The problem with those release were that they cell shaded the whole figures, not just the windows.

Yeah, it look weird for the whole figure. Cell-shade just the windows and it would look great.

I feel like i traveled back to 2020 when wheeljack was first shown when everyone whined and complained about his windshield and now everyone is acting like this is the first time they’re seeing it. Cant wait for sunstreaker where everyone pretends it’s the first time theyre seeing his windshield on his chest…or this engine gun…or his little chinstrap/goatee.

Randomhero wrote:I feel like i traveled back to 2020 when wheeljack was first shown when everyone whined and complained about his windshield and now everyone is acting like this is the first time they’re seeing it.

Oh, I didn't like it back then either. I just wasn't as vocal about it at the time.

Sabrblade wrote:

Randomhero wrote:I feel like i traveled back to 2020 when wheeljack was first shown when everyone whined and complained about his windshield and now everyone is acting like this is the first time they’re seeing it.

Oh, I didn't like it back then either. I just wasn't as vocal about it at the time.

Considering how you live on the message boards and always have something to say about anything and everything I highly doubt you weren’t vocal about it 4 years ago.

Randomhero wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Randomhero wrote:I feel like i traveled back to 2020 when wheeljack was first shown when everyone whined and complained about his windshield and now everyone is acting like this is the first time they’re seeing it.

Oh, I didn't like it back then either. I just wasn't as vocal about it at the time.

Considering how you live on the message boards and always have something to say about anything and everything I highly doubt you weren’t vocal about it 4 years ago.

LOL, I am on here a lot, aren't I?

I wasn't vocal about it back then because it was a figure I didn't want at the time. No sense bemoaning the look of something I didn't want to buy.

Randomhero wrote:I feel like i traveled back to 2020 when wheeljack was first shown when everyone whined and complained about his windshield and now everyone is acting like this is the first time they’re seeing it. Cant wait for sunstreaker where everyone pretends it’s the first time theyre seeing his windshield on his chest…or this engine gun…or his little chinstrap/goatee.

People complained then, and now that it's made even more obvious with the blue people are complaining again. It's not a great looking design, people are allowed to complain about it.

Oh man, look at this. Why Hasbro couldn't have shaped the windshield like this from the get-go, I have no idea.

I don’t really like the look of the bottom of the torso that meets the waist being curved as if his lower torso is all glass. That looks awkward.
That’s also not how it looked in the animation.
Like I said, the bottom of the torso is fine being squared-off…. The issue is that the windshield should have only been a portion of that part. The character model has the windshield relatively short; all they had to do was cut a curved line into the torso— above the line have the light blue paint; below the line, leave it white plastic. It’s that simple.
As I said before, even if they didn’t want to mess with making the lower torso angled, what I described above is way better than what we’re getting.

Sowndwave76 wrote:I don’t really like the look of the bottom of the torso that meets the waist being curved as if his lower torso is all glass. That looks awkward.
That’s also not how it looked in the animation.
Like I said, the bottom of the torso is fine being squared-off…. The issue is that the windshield should have only been a portion of that part. The character model has the windshield relatively short; all they had to do was cut a curved line into the torso— above the line have the light blue paint; below the line, leave it white plastic. It’s that simple.
As I said before, even if they didn’t want to mess with making the lower torso angled, what I described above is way better than what we’re getting.

Curving it would certainly have looked better, but that would have also meant hiding even more of that excess in the legs. The other thing is that photo shop above also stretched him out so the roof and windshield don't look too big, butt hat would have made for an oddly long car mode. Plus having the windshield so low means you've basically eliminated the waist swivel since it's now being blocked.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:The other thing is that photo shop above also stretched him out so the roof and windshield don't look too big, butt hat would have made for an oddly long car mode.

Which photoshop?

Sabrblade wrote:

Emerje wrote:The other thing is that photo shop above also stretched him out so the roof and windshield don't look too big, butt hat would have made for an oddly long car mode.

Which photoshop?

The one with all of the variations lined up.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Emerje wrote:The other thing is that photo shop above also stretched him out so the roof and windshield don't look too big, butt hat would have made for an oddly long car mode.

Which photoshop?

The one with all of the variations lined up.

Emerje

I don't think they are stretched. The 3d print files also appear to include ankle parts that increase his height.

TF-fan kev777 wrote:

Emerje wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Emerje wrote:The other thing is that photo shop above also stretched him out so the roof and windshield don't look too big, butt hat would have made for an oddly long car mode.

Which photoshop?

The one with all of the variations lined up.

Emerje

I don't think they are stretched. The 3d print files also appear to include ankle parts that increase his height.

Yeah, that's not a photoshop. Those are ankle pieces in addition to the windshield variants.

This is a full STL pack pack for a 3D printed parts to improve the look of Earthrise wheeljack.
It makes him taller and gives him a new chest. You can modify the chest and heels with no damage to the figure, you just need to push out one pin.
To get the full legs extension you will need to cut out a small part of the plastic on the feet.