More Art of Combiner Wars Computron
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Fellow Seibertronians, courtesy of Mindmaster, we've been alerted to pictures posted by "zmultiplier" on weibo. It appears to be half of the missing half of the leaked Computron art.
Which goes with this picture, leaked ealier:
And below is a picture that I made with both pieces in an approximation of what the completed boxart should look like:
So, are you still hyped for this release? Be sure to let us know in the comments below.
Which goes with this picture, leaked ealier:
And below is a picture that I made with both pieces in an approximation of what the completed boxart should look like:
So, are you still hyped for this release? Be sure to let us know in the comments below.
Credit(s): Mindmaster from Seibertron.com
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Re: More Art of Combiner Wars Computron (1753879)
Posted by Hellscream9999 on January 9th, 2016 @ 11:18pm CST
Such a debby-downer
Posted by Hellscream9999 on January 9th, 2016 @ 11:18pm CST
william-james88 wrote:JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Hellscream9999 wrote:
Nice
I spy with my little eye... unique hand and feet pieces!
Interesting, all I see are repaints
Such a debby-downer
Re: More Art of Combiner Wars Computron (1753880)
Posted by Burn on January 9th, 2016 @ 11:21pm CST
Posted by Burn on January 9th, 2016 @ 11:21pm CST
"Half of the missing half" ... jigsaw puzzles with the news crew must be real fun. 
Re: More Art of Combiner Wars Computron (1753881)
Posted by Hellscream9999 on January 9th, 2016 @ 11:27pm CST
If it was actually floating around out there, maybe, but until then, just gonna keep on chillin' here
Posted by Hellscream9999 on January 9th, 2016 @ 11:27pm CST
Burn wrote:"Half of the missing half" ... jigsaw puzzles with the news crew must be real fun.
If it was actually floating around out there, maybe, but until then, just gonna keep on chillin' here
Re: More Art of Combiner Wars Computron (1753882)
Posted by Burn on January 9th, 2016 @ 11:31pm CST
Posted by Burn on January 9th, 2016 @ 11:31pm CST
It's not even like a half! You have about 2/3's of him already, the rest of it would just be unnecessary background.
Maths skills ... not required to be on the News Crew
Maths skills ... not required to be on the News Crew
Re: More Art of Combiner Wars Computron (1753883)
Posted by Hellscream9999 on January 9th, 2016 @ 11:34pm CST
The last half of the half
but the last piece is the important one, as it includes a look at strafe
(also, it may be slightly out of proportion, but I can't get a good feel on it without some part to link them together...)
Posted by Hellscream9999 on January 9th, 2016 @ 11:34pm CST
Burn wrote:It's not even like a half! You have about 2/3's of him already, the rest of it would just be unnecessary background.
Maths skills ... not required to be on the News Crew
The last half of the half
but the last piece is the important one, as it includes a look at strafe (also, it may be slightly out of proportion, but I can't get a good feel on it without some part to link them together...)
Re: More Art of Combiner Wars Computron (1753886)
Posted by Ultra Markus on January 10th, 2016 @ 12:43am CST
Posted by Ultra Markus on January 10th, 2016 @ 12:43am CST
whether or not computron looks computron enough im sure PE will make some upgrades for it like they have done for the others
Re: More Art of Combiner Wars Computron (1753887)
Posted by SW's SilverHammer on January 10th, 2016 @ 1:29am CST
Posted by SW's SilverHammer on January 10th, 2016 @ 1:29am CST
Nice way to sneak UW groove into the line. To expensive for a single release, cut costs by making a boxset.
Re: More Art of Combiner Wars Computron (1753892)
Posted by King Kuuga on January 10th, 2016 @ 2:59am CST
Theoretically, you could buy any Combiner Wars Deluxe and return it to TRU with Blast Off's receipt to get your money back, I don't think the receipts specify characters. Unless you feel that's dishonest or something.
Posted by King Kuuga on January 10th, 2016 @ 2:59am CST
Nemesis Destron wrote:I went to a TRU that is out of my area and I saw they had a set of Combaticons. I quickly reached for Blast Off as I want that mold as a stand alone figure.
I just about s#!t myself when I chose to pay over $20 for this guy with tax. It's gonna be wild when deluxe prices near voyager prices.
I'm still on the look out at Target or Walmart for Blast Off so I can get my money back from TRU.
Theoretically, you could buy any Combiner Wars Deluxe and return it to TRU with Blast Off's receipt to get your money back, I don't think the receipts specify characters. Unless you feel that's dishonest or something.
Re: More Art of Combiner Wars Computron (1753895)
Posted by Deadput on January 10th, 2016 @ 3:35am CST
I'm grateful their releasing the mold here in the first place.
See guys Hasbro does care and they can do it if it's in their budget.
Posted by Deadput on January 10th, 2016 @ 3:35am CST
SW's SilverHammer wrote:Nice way to sneak UW groove into the line. To expensive for a single release, cut costs by making a boxset.
I'm grateful their releasing the mold here in the first place.
See guys Hasbro does care and they can do it if it's in their budget.
Re: More Art of Combiner Wars Computron (1753899)
Posted by ZeroWolf on January 10th, 2016 @ 4:48am CST
Posted by ZeroWolf on January 10th, 2016 @ 4:48am CST
Maybe one of the last pieces of the artwork will show if he does come with the rumoured cosmo redeco that will mentioned earlier. Anyone find it weird though that we had the complete liokaiser art before the computron art? Given that there has plenty of rumours about comp
Re: More Art of Combiner Wars Computron (1753902)
Posted by LE0KING on January 10th, 2016 @ 6:10am CST
Posted by LE0KING on January 10th, 2016 @ 6:10am CST
I know there's a ton of figures using the Deadend mold, but I would rather have thirty of them than have to buy that ugly Breakdown mold a second time. I hope they fix the legs at least.
Re: More Art of Combiner Wars Computron (1753903)
Posted by william-james88 on January 10th, 2016 @ 6:59am CST
Haha, yeah I am. I really dont like this modernization of the nosecone on both Drillhorn and Nosecone. They really went ultra el cheapo on this and instead of even retooling the mold they just put an add on accessory and say "Look, its still a drill". I mean come on the drill should end up being the whole front of the vehicle, not just some appendage:
Posted by william-james88 on January 10th, 2016 @ 6:59am CST
Hellscream9999 wrote:william-james88 wrote:JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Hellscream9999 wrote:
Nice
I spy with my little eye... unique hand and feet pieces!
Interesting, all I see are repaints
Such a debby-downer
Haha, yeah I am. I really dont like this modernization of the nosecone on both Drillhorn and Nosecone. They really went ultra el cheapo on this and instead of even retooling the mold they just put an add on accessory and say "Look, its still a drill". I mean come on the drill should end up being the whole front of the vehicle, not just some appendage:
Re: More Art of Combiner Wars Computron (1753905)
Posted by william-james88 on January 10th, 2016 @ 7:05am CST
No you cant, each toy has a different bar code, and it shows up on the receipt. Toysrus does use a separate toy code for their pricing (makes it easier to bunch them up) but on the receipt, you get the legally obligated independent (and unique) barcode.
Yes I find it super weird. Its like a few sources had it already and were just waiting for the opportunity to leak it. I dont know why they would.
I hate that mold too, and I dont think the legs can be fixed since the problem is how they function at the base level.
Posted by william-james88 on January 10th, 2016 @ 7:05am CST
That Bot wrote:Theoretically, you could buy any Combiner Wars Deluxe and return it to TRU with Blast Off's receipt to get your money back, I don't think the receipts specify characters. Unless you feel that's dishonest or something.
No you cant, each toy has a different bar code, and it shows up on the receipt. Toysrus does use a separate toy code for their pricing (makes it easier to bunch them up) but on the receipt, you get the legally obligated independent (and unique) barcode.
ZeroWolf wrote:Maybe one of the last pieces of the artwork will show if he does come with the rumoured cosmo redeco that will mentioned earlier. Anyone find it weird though that we had the complete liokaiser art before the computron art? Given that there has plenty of rumours about comp
Yes I find it super weird. Its like a few sources had it already and were just waiting for the opportunity to leak it. I dont know why they would.
LE0KING wrote:I know there's a ton of figures using the Deadend mold, but I would rather have thirty of them than have to buy that ugly Breakdown mold a second time. I hope they fix the legs at least.
I hate that mold too, and I dont think the legs can be fixed since the problem is how they function at the base level.
Re: More Art of Combiner Wars Computron (1753908)
Posted by King Kuuga on January 10th, 2016 @ 7:32am CST
Posted by King Kuuga on January 10th, 2016 @ 7:32am CST
What's the issue with the Breakdown mold? My Sunstreaker seems fine.
Re: More Art of Combiner Wars Computron (1753909)
Posted by william-james88 on January 10th, 2016 @ 7:41am CST
Try posing one leg without having to constantly reajust the other.
Posted by william-james88 on January 10th, 2016 @ 7:41am CST
That Bot wrote:What's the issue with the Breakdown mold? My Sunstreaker seems fine.
Try posing one leg without having to constantly reajust the other.
Re: More Art of Combiner Wars Computron (1753910)
Posted by Stuartmaximus on January 10th, 2016 @ 7:41am CST
It's just supposed to be a repaint of Alpha Bravo!
btw i believe that the final piece of the artwork(Computron) is supposed to arrive today at some point(although i could be wrong on that).
Posted by Stuartmaximus on January 10th, 2016 @ 7:41am CST
Hellscream9999 wrote:Burn wrote:It's not even like a half! You have about 2/3's of him already, the rest of it would just be unnecessary background.
Maths skills ... not required to be on the News Crew
The last half of the half
(also, it may be slightly out of proportion, but I can't get a good feel on it without some part to link them together...)
It's just supposed to be a repaint of Alpha Bravo!
btw i believe that the final piece of the artwork(Computron) is supposed to arrive today at some point(although i could be wrong on that).
Re: More Art of Combiner Wars Computron (1753913)
Posted by steals_your_goats on January 10th, 2016 @ 7:50am CST
Actually he's going to be a remold of air raid.
Posted by steals_your_goats on January 10th, 2016 @ 7:50am CST
Stuartmaximus wrote:Hellscream9999 wrote:Burn wrote:It's not even like a half! You have about 2/3's of him already, the rest of it would just be unnecessary background.
Maths skills ... not required to be on the News Crew
The last half of the half
(also, it may be slightly out of proportion, but I can't get a good feel on it without some part to link them together...)
It's just supposed to be a repaint of Alpha Bravo!
btw i believe that the final piece of the artwork(Computron) is supposed to arrive today at some point(although i could be wrong on that).
Actually he's going to be a remold of air raid.
Re: More Art of Combiner Wars Computron (1753921)
Posted by Stuartmaximus on January 10th, 2016 @ 8:18am CST
ok, sorry, maybe i was thinking of Vortex! i do know that the Alpha Bravo repaint as Vortex is going to have 4 rotor blades instead of just the standard 2.
Posted by Stuartmaximus on January 10th, 2016 @ 8:18am CST
steals_your_goats wrote:Stuartmaximus wrote:Hellscream9999 wrote:Burn wrote:It's not even like a half! You have about 2/3's of him already, the rest of it would just be unnecessary background.
Maths skills ... not required to be on the News Crew
The last half of the half
(also, it may be slightly out of proportion, but I can't get a good feel on it without some part to link them together...)
It's just supposed to be a repaint of Alpha Bravo!
btw i believe that the final piece of the artwork(Computron) is supposed to arrive today at some point(although i could be wrong on that).
Actually he's going to be a remold of air raid.
ok, sorry, maybe i was thinking of Vortex! i do know that the Alpha Bravo repaint as Vortex is going to have 4 rotor blades instead of just the standard 2.
Re: More Art of Combiner Wars Computron (1753924)
Posted by steals_your_goats on January 10th, 2016 @ 8:38am CST
Yeah on the unite warriors Bruticus set he will. I'm curious if Hasbro will bring both him and blast off over here eventually. I think blast off is much more likely though.
Posted by steals_your_goats on January 10th, 2016 @ 8:38am CST
Stuartmaximus wrote:steals_your_goats wrote:Stuartmaximus wrote:Hellscream9999 wrote:Burn wrote:It's not even like a half! You have about 2/3's of him already, the rest of it would just be unnecessary background.
Maths skills ... not required to be on the News Crew
The last half of the half
(also, it may be slightly out of proportion, but I can't get a good feel on it without some part to link them together...)
It's just supposed to be a repaint of Alpha Bravo!
btw i believe that the final piece of the artwork(Computron) is supposed to arrive today at some point(although i could be wrong on that).
Actually he's going to be a remold of air raid.
ok, sorry, maybe i was thinking of Vortex! i do know that the Alpha Bravo repaint as Vortex is going to have 4 rotor blades instead of just the standard 2.
Yeah on the unite warriors Bruticus set he will. I'm curious if Hasbro will bring both him and blast off over here eventually. I think blast off is much more likely though.
Re: More Art of Combiner Wars Computron (1753925)
Posted by Nemesis Maximo on January 10th, 2016 @ 8:57am CST
Posted by Nemesis Maximo on January 10th, 2016 @ 8:57am CST
Interesting hand and feet pieces. I wonder...they're probably still interchangeable...
So with Computron all but confirmed, wouldn't it be awesome if a new Grimlock was part of Titan Wars, and came with the helmet accessory from Grimlock's New Brain? I would be so happy.
So with Computron all but confirmed, wouldn't it be awesome if a new Grimlock was part of Titan Wars, and came with the helmet accessory from Grimlock's New Brain? I would be so happy.
Re: More Art of Combiner Wars Computron (1753930)
Posted by Alpha Dominus on January 10th, 2016 @ 9:38am CST
Posted by Alpha Dominus on January 10th, 2016 @ 9:38am CST
Excited? No. Disappointed? Definitely. That is one feeble looking drill on that vehicle. This is what happens when retools/repaints reach ridiculous levels. At this rate I'm just gonna take any random bot in my collection and just assign him a new name every few months. I do have an idea for a new Megatron figure though. They should take any mold of Optimus Prime, doesn't matter which one. Then take Silverbolts gun and put it in his hand. There you go. Instant new Megatron!
Re: More Art of Combiner Wars Computron (1753937)
Posted by william-james88 on January 10th, 2016 @ 9:57am CST
Posted by william-james88 on January 10th, 2016 @ 9:57am CST
Alpha Dominus wrote:Excited? No. Disappointed? Definitely. That is one feeble looking drill on that vehicle. This is what happens when retools/repaints reach ridiculous levels. At this rate I'm just gonna take any random bot in my collection and just assign him a new name every few months. I do have an idea for a new Megatron figure though. They should take any mold of Optimus Prime, doesn't matter which one. Then take Silverbolts gun and put it in his hand. There you go. Instant new Megatron!
Re: More Art of Combiner Wars Computron (1753938)
Posted by -Kanrabat- on January 10th, 2016 @ 9:58am CST
The sarcasm cut deep and true.
That's why I don't feel the need to buy any more CW gesthalt toys. I have Whitetimus, Superion, UW-Menasor, and Defensor. I think it's enough. Also, money and shelf space arent infinite.
Posted by -Kanrabat- on January 10th, 2016 @ 9:58am CST
Alpha Dominus wrote:Excited? No. Disappointed? Definitely. That is one feeble looking drill on that vehicle. This is what happens when retools/repaints reach ridiculous levels. At this rate I'm just gonna take any random bot in my collection and just assign him a new name every few months. I do have an idea for a new Megatron figure though. They should take any mold of Optimus Prime, doesn't matter which one. Then take Silverbolts gun and put it in his hand. There you go. Instant new Megatron!
The sarcasm cut deep and true.
That's why I don't feel the need to buy any more CW gesthalt toys. I have Whitetimus, Superion, UW-Menasor, and Defensor. I think it's enough. Also, money and shelf space arent infinite.
Re: More Art of Combiner Wars Computron (1753954)
Posted by Whifflefire on January 10th, 2016 @ 11:28am CST
Posted by Whifflefire on January 10th, 2016 @ 11:28am CST
Why are we getting so many reuses of molds? I was okay with it for a long time, but (Correct me if I'm wrong) Skylynx is the only new mold for the fifteen CW figures coming out this year! (Sky reign, Computron, Liokaiser) What happened to the days when each character got his own toy?
Re: More Art of Combiner Wars Computron (1753956)
Posted by Autobot N on January 10th, 2016 @ 11:33am CST
Hasbro got cheap(er).
Posted by Autobot N on January 10th, 2016 @ 11:33am CST
Whifflefire wrote:Why are we getting so many reuses of molds? I was okay with it for a long time, but (Correct me if I'm wrong) Skylynx is the only new mold for the fifteen CW figures coming out this year! (Sky reign, Computron, Liokaiser) What happened to the days when each character got his own toy?
Hasbro got cheap(er).
Re: More Art of Combiner Wars Computron (1753957)
Posted by steals_your_goats on January 10th, 2016 @ 11:33am CST
Reusing molds is as old as transformers itself. Manufacturing costs rise so to maintain profit and still get characters to us they reuse molds. Honestly all these reuses were the only way we were going to get all the combiners we did at the cost we got them at. If we wanted new molds for every single combiner member (which I feel is completely unnecessary) we would've had to pay a lot more money.
Posted by steals_your_goats on January 10th, 2016 @ 11:33am CST
Whifflefire wrote:Why are we getting so many reuses of molds? I was okay with it for a long time, but (Correct me if I'm wrong) Skylynx is the only new mold for the fifteen CW figures coming out this year! (Sky reign, Computron, Liokaiser) What happened to the days when each character got his own toy?
Reusing molds is as old as transformers itself. Manufacturing costs rise so to maintain profit and still get characters to us they reuse molds. Honestly all these reuses were the only way we were going to get all the combiners we did at the cost we got them at. If we wanted new molds for every single combiner member (which I feel is completely unnecessary) we would've had to pay a lot more money.
Re: More Art of Combiner Wars Computron (1753966)
Posted by william-james88 on January 10th, 2016 @ 12:14pm CST
Well Skyreign, computron and liokaiser are not the only CW figures coming out this year. There is also Victorion, G2 Superion, G2 Menasor and G2 Bruticus. So a total of 35 limbs and torsos. And of those the completely new molds for Hasbro are:
Skylynx
Afterburner (that mold was never released by hasbro so far)
But that is just for the completely news ones. Hasbro does count Bruticus as 2016 and he had a new mold. And we dont know how many are retools out of these.
Just a question though, would first aid be considered a new mold, because every part of the mold is as different from Offroad just as every part of Slingshot is from Skydive. And yet one is called a retool while the other is not. In both cases, its only the transformation that is the same.
Posted by william-james88 on January 10th, 2016 @ 12:14pm CST
Whifflefire wrote:Why are we getting so many reuses of molds? I was okay with it for a long time, but (Correct me if I'm wrong) Skylynx is the only new mold for the fifteen CW figures coming out this year! (Sky reign, Computron, Liokaiser) What happened to the days when each character got his own toy?
Well Skyreign, computron and liokaiser are not the only CW figures coming out this year. There is also Victorion, G2 Superion, G2 Menasor and G2 Bruticus. So a total of 35 limbs and torsos. And of those the completely new molds for Hasbro are:
Skylynx
Afterburner (that mold was never released by hasbro so far)
But that is just for the completely news ones. Hasbro does count Bruticus as 2016 and he had a new mold. And we dont know how many are retools out of these.
Just a question though, would first aid be considered a new mold, because every part of the mold is as different from Offroad just as every part of Slingshot is from Skydive. And yet one is called a retool while the other is not. In both cases, its only the transformation that is the same.
Re: More Art of Combiner Wars Computron (1753967)
Posted by Stuartmaximus on January 10th, 2016 @ 12:28pm CST
Posted by Stuartmaximus on January 10th, 2016 @ 12:28pm CST
does 3rd party(Perfect Effect, Maketoys ect) figures ever use remolds/retools/repaints?(from their own lines...i mean!) coz some of those are combiners.
Re: More Art of Combiner Wars Computron (1753968)
Posted by Agamemnon on January 10th, 2016 @ 12:38pm CST
MMC's Not-Predaking had legs that were nearly identical (Fortis and Bovis) just with different heads (both alt and robot) and different colored plastics. Otherwise there were just straight-up repaints of figures which represented other characters. ([Edit] I guess there were a couple of remolds out there too. MMC's not-Sixshot comes to mind here as well. But this is a big rarity at this point.)
I suppose this could be an argument for repaints. If every limb was unique, would we see figures approaching 3P prices? Myself, costs have already risen so much that I'm perfectly okay with repaints and remolds.
Posted by Agamemnon on January 10th, 2016 @ 12:38pm CST
Stuartmaximus wrote:does 3rd party(Perfect Effect, Maketoys ect) figures ever use remolds/retools/repaints?(from their own lines...i mean!) coz some of those are combiners.
MMC's Not-Predaking had legs that were nearly identical (Fortis and Bovis) just with different heads (both alt and robot) and different colored plastics. Otherwise there were just straight-up repaints of figures which represented other characters. ([Edit] I guess there were a couple of remolds out there too. MMC's not-Sixshot comes to mind here as well. But this is a big rarity at this point.)
I suppose this could be an argument for repaints. If every limb was unique, would we see figures approaching 3P prices? Myself, costs have already risen so much that I'm perfectly okay with repaints and remolds.
Re: More Art of Combiner Wars Computron (1753972)
Posted by ThunderThruster on January 10th, 2016 @ 12:59pm CST
Slingshot is head paint job of Firefly. Air Raid was Skydive's mold mate
Posted by ThunderThruster on January 10th, 2016 @ 12:59pm CST
william-james88 wrote:Whifflefire wrote:Just a question though, would first aid be considered a new mold, because every part of the mold is as different from Offroad just as every part of Slingshot is from Skydive. And yet one is called a retool while the other is not. In both cases, its only the transformation that is the same.
Slingshot is head paint job of Firefly. Air Raid was Skydive's mold mate
Re: More Art of Combiner Wars Computron (1753974)
Posted by william-james88 on January 10th, 2016 @ 1:10pm CST
That Slingshot bit isnt confirmed since all were designed at the same time and were revealed simultaneously when it came to the Takara release.
And that doesnt answer my question. I will ask it again.
How many more parts are shared between First Aid and Offroad compared to the amount of parts shared between Slingshot/Firefly and Skydive?
Posted by william-james88 on January 10th, 2016 @ 1:10pm CST
ThunderThruster wrote:william-james88 wrote:Whifflefire wrote:Just a question though, would first aid be considered a new mold, because every part of the mold is as different from Offroad just as every part of Slingshot is from Skydive. And yet one is called a retool while the other is not. In both cases, its only the transformation that is the same.
Slingshot is head paint job of Firefly. Air Raid was Skydive's mold mate
That Slingshot bit isnt confirmed since all were designed at the same time and were revealed simultaneously when it came to the Takara release.
And that doesnt answer my question. I will ask it again.
How many more parts are shared between First Aid and Offroad compared to the amount of parts shared between Slingshot/Firefly and Skydive?
Re: More Art of Combiner Wars Computron (1753977)
Posted by Agamemnon on January 10th, 2016 @ 1:33pm CST
Posted by Agamemnon on January 10th, 2016 @ 1:33pm CST
Love you, WJ88, [Edit] And now I think the following is exactly your point, WJ...I think I mistook you for having the original opinion about Slingshot and Skydive...[/edit] but I don't think you could compare the Firefly/Slingshot mold to Skydive without adding a bunch of other molds too. The shoulder/upper body transformation is completely unique on Skydive as well. The only way they are similar, in my opinion, is in the way that nearly all of the CW limbs are similar.
* The legs split apart with what, 2 basic transformation schemes?
* Arms come in at the sides (or fold over the top with Rook/Swindle)
* Hoods/nosecones(tail on choppers) folds down to form backpack
* (I'm sure I'm missing some particulars, but this list is generalized)
I guess my point is that if we consider Slingshot a remold/repaint of Skydive, can't we consider nearly every CW limb a repaint/remold of nearly every other one?
Ultimately, I get the feeling that there is a fatigue going on where some would like to see something new while others are just enjoying what we are getting. I'm in that latter category, preferring to enjoy the characters. Personally, I am more bugged by the shoehorning of characters into barely appropriate molds (Prowl, Wheeljack being prime candidates for me). But, otherwise, despite the shared molds/designs, I really am enjoying all the G1 gestalts we are getting updates on!
* The legs split apart with what, 2 basic transformation schemes?
* Arms come in at the sides (or fold over the top with Rook/Swindle)
* Hoods/nosecones(tail on choppers) folds down to form backpack
* (I'm sure I'm missing some particulars, but this list is generalized)
I guess my point is that if we consider Slingshot a remold/repaint of Skydive, can't we consider nearly every CW limb a repaint/remold of nearly every other one?
Ultimately, I get the feeling that there is a fatigue going on where some would like to see something new while others are just enjoying what we are getting. I'm in that latter category, preferring to enjoy the characters. Personally, I am more bugged by the shoehorning of characters into barely appropriate molds (Prowl, Wheeljack being prime candidates for me). But, otherwise, despite the shared molds/designs, I really am enjoying all the G1 gestalts we are getting updates on!
Re: More Art of Combiner Wars Computron (1753978)
Posted by ZeroWolf on January 10th, 2016 @ 1:36pm CST
Bringing third party in to this isn't the best of ideas as they aren't comparable to hasbro, strictly speaking they are going for two different markets, have different costs, have different marketing which ties into business strategy. They'll also have vastly different business models and budgets. I have no proof for this but I believe hasbro budget for entire lines at a time where 3p go from figure to figure.
Posted by ZeroWolf on January 10th, 2016 @ 1:36pm CST
Stuartmaximus wrote:does 3rd party(Perfect Effect, Maketoys ect) figures ever use remolds/retools/repaints?(from their own lines...i mean!) coz some of those are combiners.
Bringing third party in to this isn't the best of ideas as they aren't comparable to hasbro, strictly speaking they are going for two different markets, have different costs, have different marketing which ties into business strategy. They'll also have vastly different business models and budgets. I have no proof for this but I believe hasbro budget for entire lines at a time where 3p go from figure to figure.
Re: More Art of Combiner Wars Computron (1753979)
Posted by ThunderThruster on January 10th, 2016 @ 1:41pm CST
As Skydive and Slingshot aren't mold mates, its a bad analogy. There is not one component that on the two that match. The only thing they share is a base transformation scheme, which is shared by the majority of the the other CW limbs.
Had you asked you used Air Raid and Skydive, it would make for a comparable analogy.
And to answer about Off Road/First Aid, I view one as a heavy retool of the other. As we have yet to see another use of the First Aid tooling, I eir on the side that he is the retool, just as I look at Skydive and consider him the retool of Air Raid
Posted by ThunderThruster on January 10th, 2016 @ 1:41pm CST
william-james88 wrote:ThunderThruster wrote:william-james88 wrote:Whifflefire wrote:Just a question though, would first aid be considered a new mold, because every part of the mold is as different from Offroad just as every part of Slingshot is from Skydive. And yet one is called a retool while the other is not. In both cases, its only the transformation that is the same.
Slingshot is head paint job of Firefly. Air Raid was Skydive's mold mate
That Slingshot bit isnt confirmed since all were designed at the same time and were revealed simultaneously when it came to the Takara release.
And that doesnt answer my question. I will ask it again.
How many more parts are shared between First Aid and Offroad compared to the amount of parts shared between Slingshot/Firefly and Skydive?
As Skydive and Slingshot aren't mold mates, its a bad analogy. There is not one component that on the two that match. The only thing they share is a base transformation scheme, which is shared by the majority of the the other CW limbs.
Had you asked you used Air Raid and Skydive, it would make for a comparable analogy.
And to answer about Off Road/First Aid, I view one as a heavy retool of the other. As we have yet to see another use of the First Aid tooling, I eir on the side that he is the retool, just as I look at Skydive and consider him the retool of Air Raid
Re: More Art of Combiner Wars Computron (1753988)
Posted by Rodimus Prime on January 10th, 2016 @ 2:45pm CST
Posted by Rodimus Prime on January 10th, 2016 @ 2:45pm CST
Maybe this was brought up and I just missed it, but will the Technobots be sold separately or come as a set? Should I pick up a Scattershot now, or wait until all of them are out?
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Posted by steals_your_goats on January 10th, 2016 @ 2:49pm CST
It's going to be a box set
Posted by steals_your_goats on January 10th, 2016 @ 2:49pm CST
Rodimus Prime wrote:Maybe this was brought up and I just missed it, but will the Technobots be sold separately or come as a set? Should I pick up a Scattershot now, or wait until all of them are out?
It's going to be a box set
Re: More Art of Combiner Wars Computron (1753993)
Posted by Zeedust on January 10th, 2016 @ 2:56pm CST
That wasn't a problem for Victorion, so I would be surprised if it was one for Computron and/or Liokaiser.
I'm actually kid of disappointed by that. I know I'm bordering on heresy here, but I'd much rather have the Combiner Wars hand/foot/gun pieces than single-purpose retro-G1-style hands and feet. That thing is great.
Posted by Zeedust on January 10th, 2016 @ 2:56pm CST
Cobotron wrote:I don't know, it does kinda duck.ZeroWolf wrote:To clarify, I really need to start proof reading messages
In any case, given that all the box sets we know of are six member teams will liokaiser and computron be the first box set with only five members?
I think the G2 sets have set the precedence and price point, that they would/could include a sixth Legends member. But we have yet to find out who, or if at all. the cost of new hands, feet and any other accessories could void that.
That wasn't a problem for Victorion, so I would be surprised if it was one for Computron and/or Liokaiser.
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:I spy with my little eye... unique hand and feet pieces!
I'm actually kid of disappointed by that. I know I'm bordering on heresy here, but I'd much rather have the Combiner Wars hand/foot/gun pieces than single-purpose retro-G1-style hands and feet. That thing is great.
Re: More Art of Combiner Wars Computron (1753994)
Posted by william-james88 on January 10th, 2016 @ 2:57pm CST
Yes, as you realized, that is the point I was trying to make. Since no part is shared, I consider First aid a retool of Offroad just as much as I consider Firefly a retool of Skydive, or vice versa. Because in reality all they share is the transformation.
I only dont care about repaints and redecos when its opportunistic and lazy. The components of Defensor are perfectly fine even if they share the same transformation as some stunticons. Streetwise has a compeltely different than Dead End. I am actually a bit more pissed at Dead End since he has the wrong alt mode, and should have his own shell to dinstinguish himself from Wildrider. They end up looking like clones on the team and it doesnt work too well for me. The Jet blast off really pisses me off because nothing is new about it. If Hasbro gave him a new shell, he could be his own figure in a bold new interpretation of the character as a combaticon. But by just using a pre-existing jet, it feels lazy. Same for the drill addition aproach. I mean they had 3 uses for a drill robot already (ramhorn, drillhorn and nosecone), they could have made a nice reshell where the drill is more prominant. But instead its just an accessory attached to brawl.
So that is my stance on all this. If every part of a toy is new, than it is its own new toy. The transformation is similar on all these guys anyway and they probably (actually no, I think they must) share the same core design for them all to match up, so giving one a whole new shell to me is not different than just having a new toy. I mean you could argue, though incorrectly, that first aide and offroad are retools of the jets since their leg transformation is the same. And yet that shouldnt be a negative since these are all new toys as well. Just liek in G1 where all the limbs had the same transformation but still looked unique one from the other.
I dont mind that aspect of CW when its appropriate.
Posted by william-james88 on January 10th, 2016 @ 2:57pm CST
Agamemnon wrote:
I guess my point is that if we consider Slingshot a remold/repaint of Skydive, can't we consider nearly every CW limb a repaint/remold of nearly every other one?
Yes, as you realized, that is the point I was trying to make. Since no part is shared, I consider First aid a retool of Offroad just as much as I consider Firefly a retool of Skydive, or vice versa. Because in reality all they share is the transformation.I only dont care about repaints and redecos when its opportunistic and lazy. The components of Defensor are perfectly fine even if they share the same transformation as some stunticons. Streetwise has a compeltely different than Dead End. I am actually a bit more pissed at Dead End since he has the wrong alt mode, and should have his own shell to dinstinguish himself from Wildrider. They end up looking like clones on the team and it doesnt work too well for me. The Jet blast off really pisses me off because nothing is new about it. If Hasbro gave him a new shell, he could be his own figure in a bold new interpretation of the character as a combaticon. But by just using a pre-existing jet, it feels lazy. Same for the drill addition aproach. I mean they had 3 uses for a drill robot already (ramhorn, drillhorn and nosecone), they could have made a nice reshell where the drill is more prominant. But instead its just an accessory attached to brawl.
So that is my stance on all this. If every part of a toy is new, than it is its own new toy. The transformation is similar on all these guys anyway and they probably (actually no, I think they must) share the same core design for them all to match up, so giving one a whole new shell to me is not different than just having a new toy. I mean you could argue, though incorrectly, that first aide and offroad are retools of the jets since their leg transformation is the same. And yet that shouldnt be a negative since these are all new toys as well. Just liek in G1 where all the limbs had the same transformation but still looked unique one from the other.
I dont mind that aspect of CW when its appropriate.
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Posted by william-james88 on January 10th, 2016 @ 3:12pm CST
Yeah so Rodimus Prime, DO NOT BUY Scattershot if you are thinking of getting the whole team.
Posted by william-james88 on January 10th, 2016 @ 3:12pm CST
steals_your_goats wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:Maybe this was brought up and I just missed it, but will the Technobots be sold separately or come as a set? Should I pick up a Scattershot now, or wait until all of them are out?
It's going to be a box set
Yeah so Rodimus Prime, DO NOT BUY Scattershot if you are thinking of getting the whole team.
Re: More Art of Combiner Wars Computron (1754006)
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on January 10th, 2016 @ 3:40pm CST
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on January 10th, 2016 @ 3:40pm CST
Here we go again... 
I think we can all agree all of the first-year CW molds and designated characters were designed all at once. With that, using a time-based definition of "retool" (whichever's designed/released first is the original from which the retool is made) goes right out the window.
What should we call a "retool" then? Aside from Victorion and what the Club is churning out (as they're designed outside of the regular process AFAIK), I couldn't tell you. All I know is, is that Hasbro has used a limited number of generic design bases, from which the toys are derived. Instead, I'll be using "head" and "shell" to separate them, and straight redecos won't be listed. Also, the number is for designation purposes only, but is based on order of retail release.
Torsos
Large Jet
Shell 1
Head 1: Silverbolt
Head 2: Scattershot + alternate parts
Shell 2
Head 1: Cyclonus
Head 2: ???
Semi
Shell 1
Head 1: Optimus Prime
Head 2: Battle Core Optimus Prime
Shell 2
Head 1: Motormaster
Head 2: ???
Truck
Shell 1
Head 1: Protectobot Hot Spot
Head 2: ???
Shell 2
Head 1: Onslaught
Head 2: "Armada Demolishor"
Space Shuttle
Shell 1
Head 1: Sky Lynx
Head 2: ???
Limbs
Helicopter
Shell 1
Head 1: Alpha Bravo/Vortex
Head 2: Protectobot Blades
Harrier
Shell 1
Head 1: Firefly
Head 2: Quickslinger
Formula 1 Racing Car
Shell 1
Head 1: Decepticon Dragstrip
Head 2: Mirage
Tank
Shell 1
Head 1: Brawl
Head 2: Nosecone + alternate parts
F-Series Jet
Shell 1
Head 1: Skydive
Head 2: Ghost Starscream
Shell 2
Head 1: Air Raid
Head 2: Curse Armada Thrust
Sports Car
Shell 1
Head 1: Breakdown
Head 2: Sunstreaker
Shell 2
Head 1: Wheeljack
Head 2: ???
Ferrari
Shell 1
Head 1: Brake-Neck
Head 2: Dead End
Shell 2
Head 1: Protectobot Streetwise
Head 2: Prowl
4WD
Shell 1
Head 1: Decepticon Offroad/Ruckus
Head 2: Ironhide
Head 3: Trailbreaker + alternate parts
Shell 2
Head 1: Protectobot First Aid
Head 2: "Autobot Ratchet" (sketch shown)
Army Vehicle
Shell 1
Head 1: Protectobot Rook
Head 2: ???
Shell 2
Head 1: Swindle
Head 2: Autobot Hound
I purposely left out the Liokaiser team and the unconfirmed Technobots. Also, "3rd" heads may or may not have been added later after the initial final design, but were listed anyway.
I think we can all agree all of the first-year CW molds and designated characters were designed all at once. With that, using a time-based definition of "retool" (whichever's designed/released first is the original from which the retool is made) goes right out the window.
What should we call a "retool" then? Aside from Victorion and what the Club is churning out (as they're designed outside of the regular process AFAIK), I couldn't tell you. All I know is, is that Hasbro has used a limited number of generic design bases, from which the toys are derived. Instead, I'll be using "head" and "shell" to separate them, and straight redecos won't be listed. Also, the number is for designation purposes only, but is based on order of retail release.
Torsos
Large Jet
Shell 1
Head 1: Silverbolt
Head 2: Scattershot + alternate parts
Shell 2
Head 1: Cyclonus
Head 2: ???
Semi
Shell 1
Head 1: Optimus Prime
Head 2: Battle Core Optimus Prime
Shell 2
Head 1: Motormaster
Head 2: ???
Truck
Shell 1
Head 1: Protectobot Hot Spot
Head 2: ???
Shell 2
Head 1: Onslaught
Head 2: "Armada Demolishor"
Space Shuttle
Shell 1
Head 1: Sky Lynx
Head 2: ???
Limbs
Helicopter
Shell 1
Head 1: Alpha Bravo/Vortex
Head 2: Protectobot Blades
Harrier
Shell 1
Head 1: Firefly
Head 2: Quickslinger
Formula 1 Racing Car
Shell 1
Head 1: Decepticon Dragstrip
Head 2: Mirage
Tank
Shell 1
Head 1: Brawl
Head 2: Nosecone + alternate parts
F-Series Jet
Shell 1
Head 1: Skydive
Head 2: Ghost Starscream
Shell 2
Head 1: Air Raid
Head 2: Curse Armada Thrust
Sports Car
Shell 1
Head 1: Breakdown
Head 2: Sunstreaker
Shell 2
Head 1: Wheeljack
Head 2: ???
Ferrari
Shell 1
Head 1: Brake-Neck
Head 2: Dead End
Shell 2
Head 1: Protectobot Streetwise
Head 2: Prowl
4WD
Shell 1
Head 1: Decepticon Offroad/Ruckus
Head 2: Ironhide
Head 3: Trailbreaker + alternate parts
Shell 2
Head 1: Protectobot First Aid
Head 2: "Autobot Ratchet" (sketch shown)
Army Vehicle
Shell 1
Head 1: Protectobot Rook
Head 2: ???
Shell 2
Head 1: Swindle
Head 2: Autobot Hound
I purposely left out the Liokaiser team and the unconfirmed Technobots. Also, "3rd" heads may or may not have been added later after the initial final design, but were listed anyway.
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Posted by william-james88 on January 10th, 2016 @ 3:50pm CST
I dont think Onslought is a totaly new shell. Doesnt he have the exact same legs as Hotspot hence the lightbar still being there?
Posted by william-james88 on January 10th, 2016 @ 3:50pm CST
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Truck
Shell 1
Head 1: Protectobot Hot Spot
Head 2: ???
Shell 2
Head 1: Onslaught
Head 2: "Armada Demolishor"
I dont think Onslought is a totaly new shell. Doesnt he have the exact same legs as Hotspot hence the lightbar still being there?
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Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on January 10th, 2016 @ 3:53pm CST
So do Air Raid and Skydive. The amount of different parts warrants a different shell classification for the time being, even if the number is less compared to some of the others. Note I did put Scattershot and Silverbolt together as the amount is fairly minimal compared to Cyclonus.
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on January 10th, 2016 @ 3:53pm CST
william-james88 wrote:JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Truck
Shell 1
Head 1: Protectobot Hot Spot
Head 2: ???
Shell 2
Head 1: Onslaught
Head 2: "Armada Demolishor"
I dont think Onslought is a totaly new shell. Doesnt he have the exact same legs as Hotspot hence the lightbar still being there?
So do Air Raid and Skydive. The amount of different parts warrants a different shell classification for the time being, even if the number is less compared to some of the others. Note I did put Scattershot and Silverbolt together as the amount is fairly minimal compared to Cyclonus.
Re: More Art of Combiner Wars Computron (1754010)
Posted by Autobot N on January 10th, 2016 @ 4:03pm CST
Hmm...
Posted by Autobot N on January 10th, 2016 @ 4:03pm CST
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:I purposely left out the Liokaiser team and the unconfirmed Technobots.
Hmm...
JelZe Goldrabbit wrote:Tank
Shell 1
Head 1: Brawl
Head 2: Nosecone + alternate parts
Re: More Art of Combiner Wars Computron (1754011)
Posted by Agregor on January 10th, 2016 @ 4:04pm CST
Posted by Agregor on January 10th, 2016 @ 4:04pm CST
Remember when us Americans wanted the UW Groove mold up here in NA? Well...It looks like this is the chance :]
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Posted by Nemesis Maximo on January 10th, 2016 @ 4:14pm CST
Posted by Nemesis Maximo on January 10th, 2016 @ 4:14pm CST
Whifflefire wrote:Why are we getting so many reuses of molds? I was okay with it for a long time, but (Correct me if I'm wrong) Skylynx is the only new mold for the fifteen CW figures coming out this year! (Sky reign, Computron, Liokaiser) What happened to the days when each character got his own toy?
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Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on January 10th, 2016 @ 4:16pm CST
Unconfirmed as in which specific mold used. We know Afterburner will use Groove, but Lightspeed and Strafe are iffy because of the similarities between the Sports Car's and Jet's limb transformations. But we do know the Liokaiser limb molds:
Hellbat: Skydive
Gaihawk: Air Raid
Drillhorn: Nosecone
Killbison: Brawl
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on January 10th, 2016 @ 4:16pm CST
Decepticon Sunstorm wrote:JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:I purposely left out the Liokaiser team and the unconfirmed Technobots.
Hmm...JelZe Goldrabbit wrote:Tank
Shell 1
Head 1: Brawl
Head 2: Nosecone + alternate parts
Unconfirmed as in which specific mold used. We know Afterburner will use Groove, but Lightspeed and Strafe are iffy because of the similarities between the Sports Car's and Jet's limb transformations. But we do know the Liokaiser limb molds:
Hellbat: Skydive
Gaihawk: Air Raid
Drillhorn: Nosecone
Killbison: Brawl
Re: More Art of Combiner Wars Computron (1754016)
Posted by ZeroWolf on January 10th, 2016 @ 4:36pm CST
Posted by ZeroWolf on January 10th, 2016 @ 4:36pm CST
Jelze, I think they assumed you weren't listing technobots at all 
they have done an impressive amount from so few bases, despite criticisms from the fans about reuse, I have to wonder if this worked out for hasbro, though the designers should be given each a high five for their work.
they have done an impressive amount from so few bases, despite criticisms from the fans about reuse, I have to wonder if this worked out for hasbro, though the designers should be given each a high five for their work.
Re: More Art of Combiner Wars Computron (1754018)
Posted by Stuartmaximus on January 10th, 2016 @ 4:59pm CST
Posted by Stuartmaximus on January 10th, 2016 @ 4:59pm CST
on the subjects of remolds, retools, repaints!......any chance we might see a retool/repaint of Hot Spot as either Inferno, RID(not to be confused with RID2015) Optimus Prime or Grapple?
the obvious answer i'll get as a response will be NO!
but maybe Takara could do one?
the obvious answer i'll get as a response will be NO!
but maybe Takara could do one?
Re: More Art of Combiner Wars Computron (1754019)
Posted by shajaki on January 10th, 2016 @ 5:03pm CST
Posted by shajaki on January 10th, 2016 @ 5:03pm CST
The thing that confuses me about Computron is who's leaking this? This person no doubt has the full color artwork, making it black and white, cutting it up, and giving it to us in pieces... to what? Screw with us? 
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Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on January 10th, 2016 @ 5:09pm CST
Maybe as Fire Convoy, but them's the brakes.
Posted by Jelze Bunnycat on January 10th, 2016 @ 5:09pm CST
Stuartmaximus wrote:on the subjects of remolds, retools, repaints!......any chance we might see a retool/repaint of Hot Spot as either Inferno, RID(not to be confused with RID2015) Optimus Prime or Grapple?
the obvious answer i'll get as a response will be NO!
but maybe Takara could do one?
Maybe as Fire Convoy, but them's the brakes.
