Mini-Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #3

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Synopsis
The clock is ticking! Leoric finds himself exiled from New Prysmos by Virulina, who Merklynn has named the new leader of all the Visionaries. Can Leoric and his loyalists save Cybertron from being totally changed into a new homeworld for his people? Should they?

For broad definitions of 'saving'

I'm going to do something different with this issue's review, as we're behind schedule, the series has a very thin connection to Transformers, but I still believe it warrants coverage (the database entry is here, in case) and review was due a couple of weeks ago as it stands, anyway! Namely, I'll let some of the commenting readers speak their thoughts on what is and isn't working, and coming in to cover aspects that haven't been addressed.

Like the blue tusked tigerlion in the room

And we start with the major points:

Daniel Adkins wrote:Honestly, this series biggest problem is that the Transformers are in it. All the book's biggest problems (the discontinuity with First Strike, Kup’s death, etc.) wouldn’t be here if the series was just a straight up Visionaries book.

Burn wrote:Another way to look at it, it's Transformers vs Visionaries.

Unfortunately it's more Visionaries vs Visionaries with Transformers taking a back seat even though it's THEIR planet.

This is a comment that has often circulated in our previous reviews, and one that still applies, constantly, and viciously, to this third issue. The only saving moment, in this regard, is the appearance of a Transformers specific character which cannot exactly be called mainstream (to non TF fans, anyway) and some development of plot from the side of the Cybertronians.

But we also have a good point about Virulina and Visaggio's writing in general, that echoes some wider sentiments about the miniseries:

Sunstar wrote:Ultimately I am not entirely sure if the root of my anger is because it's ultimately good writing that makes me feel something (like how TAAO annual made me cry) or because I feel they are not doing any justice to the story, or anything that will further the story of the Transformers on Cybertron. I get the feeling I won't get my answer until after the last book.

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Art wise, something that users haven't really touched other than once more to talk about Virulina, we still have Fico Ossio and David Garcia Cruz do some really, and I mean, really good work on pretty much the entire organic cast, including the more spectral or hologrammic (not a word) of it.

The issue, once more - though less so I thought compared to previous issues too - is with Cybertronians, and specifically with their faces. Ossio is working hard, and he's working into a style that makes the angular robotic physiognomy fit to his own.. but we're not quite there just yet, and it mostly shows in background shots, rather than close-ups.

On the other hand, Sassy Ironhide

And that last point circles back to the main ones made about the series above: arriving to the Transformers is always on the background, or backburner, be it with the fittingness of the artist's style to the characters or the writing that is still relying on not-exactly IDW characterisation of the cast (see previous reviews for more on this point).

see review title

Overall, the issue is an improvement on the previous two, though for the Transformers side of things that doesn't really amount to much, but it does build to more of the characters having more or less of an agency than initially seen - up to the final act of the book, at least. It's still unfortunate, but there may be a lot in this particular book that Visionaries fans will appreciate I feel, even more than previously in the series; it just comes at the (literal) expense of Transformers.

Thumbnail: Variant cover by Jeffrey Veregge

½ out of

Credit(s): IDW

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Re: Mini-Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #3 (1946100)
Posted by william-james88 on March 14th, 2018 @ 9:03am CDT

Gotta love those pink dolphins :lol:

Re: Mini-Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #3 (1946105)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on March 14th, 2018 @ 9:21am CDT

Do you know some humanoid series that could have meshed better with Transformers?

Centurions

Starcom

Jayce and The Wheeled Warriors

Why? Because they have a technological slant to them. Visionaries took place on a world made medieval again when technology crashed. That's not what this Visionaries comes across as. While I did like Visionaries back in the day, had a few of the toys too, I can neither endorse this series or the design aesthetic behind it.

Re: Mini-Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #3 (1946107)
Posted by ZeroWolf on March 14th, 2018 @ 9:31am CDT

Skeleton warriors Vs Visionaries...there we go.

As for transformers? Zoids. You know it makes sense

Re: Mini-Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #3 (1946109)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on March 14th, 2018 @ 9:36am CDT

Zoids or Robotix would work. Then again so would Go-Bots but that option is lost in Rights Limbo...

Re: Mini-Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #3 (1946111)
Posted by Big Grim on March 14th, 2018 @ 10:07am CDT

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Do you know some humanoid series that could have meshed better with Transformers?

Centurions

This. Very much this! But then, MASK should have worked! How did they manage to mess that up?!?

Re: Mini-Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #3 (1946112)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on March 14th, 2018 @ 10:11am CDT

Big Grim wrote:
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Do you know some humanoid series that could have meshed better with Transformers?

Centurions

This. Very much this! But then, MASK should have worked! How did they manage to mess that up?!?

My guess, much like Visionairies, trying to reinvent the wheel.

Re: Mini-Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #3 (1946122)
Posted by Jack Hallows on March 14th, 2018 @ 11:23am CDT

I never thought I’d look at a picture of Ironhide and be reminded of Stewie Griffin. Some things you just can’t unsee. #-o

Re: Mini-Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #3 (1946123)
Posted by o.supreme on March 14th, 2018 @ 11:24am CDT

Just curious, the title to the article says #3, but isn't this a review for #4?

*edit* never mind, I just read the part about you being behind...sorry :oops:

. I'm just not used to actually having my comics before they are reviewed here.

Re: Mini-Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #3 (1946125)
Posted by Va'al on March 14th, 2018 @ 11:36am CDT

o.supreme wrote:Just curious, the title to the article says #3, but isn't this a review for #4?

*edit* never mind, I just read the part about you being behind...sorry . I'm just not used to actually having my comics before they are reviewed here.

You made me double doubt myself and triple check, well done!

Re: Mini-Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #3 (1946127)
Posted by o.supreme on March 14th, 2018 @ 11:47am CDT

^That certainly was not my intention. I know how busy you all are, without my interference. Again my apologies. :BOWDOWN:

I know these comics have different covers, I should have just looked at the little #3 in the corner rather than just assuming it was a new issue because the cover was different from my #3.

Anyways, I'm really not *feeling* this new take on Visionaries. Sorry I'm stuck in the 80's on this one. Also I have all 3 issues, and admittedly I haven't read them in depth, just a few pages here and there. One of my favorite parts of the old show, as cheesy as it may seem now, were all the sayings they would utter to activate their totems/staffs. Has anyone said one of those yet? I don't need an exact reference , I'll dig and find it myself, just a yes or no would suffice.

Re: Mini-Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #3 (1946151)
Posted by ThunderThruster on March 14th, 2018 @ 3:04pm CDT

The incantations for their staffs was one of the things that helped immerse you in the world of Prismos.

Re: Mini-Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #3 (1946152)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on March 14th, 2018 @ 3:06pm CDT

From memory, one of my favourites sounded something like:

By what creeps, what crawls, by what does not, Let all that grows recede and rot

Re: Mini-Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #3 (1946154)
Posted by o.supreme on March 14th, 2018 @ 3:13pm CDT

All the incantations can be found here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visionari ... ical_Light

I liked Witterquick's especially with how fast he could say it. Cryotek and Cindarr's were also pretty neat.

Re: Mini-Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #3 (1946157)
Posted by partholon on March 14th, 2018 @ 3:28pm CDT

ZeroWolf wrote:It still seems to be a bad decision to use transformers as their launching pad. Is transformers really the best selling comic of the hasbro titles? Aside from trying to argue it's magic vs technology (which could be pulled off better if it was visionaries vs gi Joe in my opinion as both are humans, just from different worlds)

dont confuse bad execution with a bad idea.

i was thinking the reason this series is such a dumpster fire is down to the writer , but the more i think about it the more it seems to be the editorial decision to tie it into first strike/ revolutionaires set up/event.

THATS whats killing this as it makes no bleeding sense as a way of launching a visionaries book down the line. Worse its incredibly jarring with the two OFFICIAL TF books. as it is im ignoring it entirely and basically considering it an "elsworld/what if" story

TF / Visionaires makes more sense than GI JOE/ visionaires as aliens are more suited to TF lore and already a pre existing thing. pre the cataclysm prismos was a very advanced alien world so while they may use "magic" now theyre set up as sci/fi concept first. aliens in GI joe though? usually comes off as daft.

the template they SHOULDVE used was the one already tried and tested with ROM/TF.

if I was doing it id set it in the past during the war. have them meet as a TF exploratio/inflitration team seeks to asses the anti technology "magic" is starting up on a pre cataclysm prismos. make THAT the threat that endangers the universe as it threatens to go beyond their solar system as we watch it play out on prismos and its characters, and finally have the TF Bots and Cons work together to seal away the prismos sysetm behind a dyson sphere who's job it is to contain the effect.

mix and match as to the details on the whys and wherefores and who's responsible for what but at the end of the day youve introduced the concept , had the two franchises meet, and left them in a position where you can launch a self contained visionaires series from either where you left off, or in the "modern day" and jump straight into how things have changed over the years. all with the added bonus of not pissing all over tranformers in the process.

theres plenty of ways this couldve been done better and its sad to see it play out the way its being done. worse that with the sales figs the way they are i dont see a hope in hell of them getting their own book.

such a pity.

Re: Mini-Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #3 (1946173)
Posted by ZeroWolf on March 14th, 2018 @ 5:10pm CDT

I don't know, I still think gi Joe crossed with visionaries would result better, besides gi Joe now has aliens like the tfs and any aliens in that series is in the gi Joe comics as per being in the hasbroverse. Still since I suggested it earlier, I know need a skeleton warriors Vs Visionaries series, they both have a lot in common. Plus zoids is set to make a return in Japan this summer so maybe idw will get to make a comic based on them and I'll get a zoids Vs Transformers miniseries after all ;-)

Re: Mini-Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #3 (1946175)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on March 14th, 2018 @ 5:18pm CDT

Ahem...

Re: Mini-Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #3 (1946178)
Posted by ZeroWolf on March 14th, 2018 @ 5:39pm CDT

Was that a hasbro or takara tomy series though?

Re: Mini-Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #3 (1946262)
Posted by primalxconvoy on March 15th, 2018 @ 1:09am CDT

PicsArt_1521094144888.jpg

Re: Mini-Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #3 (1946295)
Posted by ThunderThruster on March 15th, 2018 @ 8:22am CDT

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:From memory, one of my favourites sounded something like:

By what creeps, what crawls, by what does not, Let all that grows recede and rot

But do you know it's counter incantation (I sure as hell can never remember it)

But aside from Darkstorms, I can always remember Cindarr's, Cryotek's and Lexor's.

o.supreme wrote:All the incantations can be found here:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Visionari ... ical_Light

I liked Witterquick's especially with how fast he could say it. Cryotek and Cindarr's were also pretty neat.

That takes out the memory element, but yeah Witterquick's was cool, very evocative of it's power.

Re: Mini-Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #3 (1946307)
Posted by o.supreme on March 15th, 2018 @ 10:14am CDT

ok...so TF vs. Visionaries #1 sold out and needed a 2nd printing, but evidently now...the last couple issues sales are way down? Was this just a fan reaction to so many people that wanted a new Visionaries comic, and then when they saw what it was, quickly abandoned it?

Re: Mini-Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #3 (1946317)
Posted by Big Grim on March 15th, 2018 @ 11:07am CDT

primalxconvoy wrote:
PicsArt_1521094144888.jpg

Glorious!

Re: Mini-Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #3 (1946337)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on March 15th, 2018 @ 1:37pm CDT

ThunderThruster wrote:
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:From memory, one of my favourites sounded something like:

By what creeps, what crawls, by what does not, Let all that grows recede and rot

But do you know it's counter incantation (I sure as hell can never remember it)

That takes out the memory element, but yeah Witterquick's was cool, very evocative of it's power.

I'd forgotten about the counter ones :lol:

That's definitely not in the old memory banks. The only other one I recall offhand, because it was short, was Leoric's:
Whispered secrets of a shattered age,. I summon you, renew this sage.

Re: Mini-Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #3 (1946339)
Posted by o.supreme on March 15th, 2018 @ 1:41pm CDT

The only one who had a counter was Darkstorm, who could reverse his spell of decay/aging which he once did to Leoric. It was only used once though IIRC in the animated series. Also its interesting to note some of the incantations only were stated in the comics, and some not at all (I guess they were in the toys or some other fiction??)

Re: Mini-Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #3 (1946340)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on March 15th, 2018 @ 1:44pm CDT

o.supreme wrote:The only one who had a counter was Darkstorm, who could reverse his spell of decay/aging which he once did to Leoric

That's right ;)^

In retrospect he probably had one of the most powerful offensive Staffs in the series. If not the most powerful.

Re: Mini-Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #3 (1946342)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on March 15th, 2018 @ 1:59pm CDT

Va'al wrote:

On the other hand, Sassy Ironhide

This pose reminded me of something I'd seen somewhere before. I found it again through random chance today:

Megatron, can work it too :lol:

Re: Mini-Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #3 (1946358)
Posted by Burn on March 15th, 2018 @ 3:37pm CDT

o.supreme wrote:ok...so TF vs. Visionaries #1 sold out and needed a 2nd printing, but evidently now...the last couple issues sales are way down? Was this just a fan reaction to so many people that wanted a new Visionaries comic, and then when they saw what it was, quickly abandoned it?

Most of us put the 2nd printing down to them already doing a small print run in the first place then with subsequent issues they balanced it out.

Of course what you're saying is also possible, people got excited, read the first issue and then the other way screaming.

Re: Mini-Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #3 (1946363)
Posted by ThunderThruster on March 15th, 2018 @ 4:04pm CDT

o.supreme wrote:The only one who had a counter was Darkstorm, who could reverse his spell of decay/aging which he once did to Leoric. It was only used once though IIRC in the animated series. Also its interesting to note some of the incantations only were stated in the comics, and some not at all (I guess they were in the toys or some other fiction??)

Only Verulina's and Galadria's weren't in the cartoon but in the comic, as they had power shields, not staffs.

Re: Mini-Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #3 (1946383)
Posted by Daniel Adkins on March 15th, 2018 @ 6:03pm CDT

I know everyone likes to lament that this series "replaced" TAAO, but can we also lament how it also "replaced" Revolutionaries? I miss that book.

Re: Mini-Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #3 (1947395)
Posted by ScottyP on March 21st, 2018 @ 10:12am CDT

Daniel Adkins wrote:I know everyone likes to lament that this series "replaced" TAAO, but can we also lament how it also "replaced" Revolutionaries? I miss that book.

I'll get on board with that. That was a hidden gem during 2017 and the lack of effort by the fandom to even give it a real chance is a travesty. The latter half is especially great, and I think 5-7 hold up as borderline essential reading within the IDWverse even if someone only follows TFs.

Re: Mini-Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #3 (1947412)
Posted by Big Grim on March 21st, 2018 @ 1:20pm CDT

ScottyP wrote:I'll get on board with that. That was a hidden gem during 2017 and the lack of effort by the fandom to even give it a real chance is a travesty. The latter half is especially great, and I think 5-7 hold up as borderline essential reading within the IDWverse even if someone only follows TFs.

Agreed. It's thanks to you guys and the reviews that I gave it a shot. Was good fun.

Re: Mini-Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #3 (1948186)
Posted by Va'al on March 25th, 2018 @ 12:17pm CDT

Somewhat surprisingly close to release, as the book is due out this coming Wednesday, we have a three page iTunes preview of the fourth chapter in the mini-series featuring two of the Hasbro universe franchises currently ongoing from IDW Publishing: Transformers vs Visionaries.

The preview can be seen mirrored below, and you'll be able to catch a Seibertron.com short review of the issue once it's been released, so tune back in and join the discussion in the Energon Pub!

Transformers vs. Visionaries #4
Magdalene Visaggio (Author) • Fico Ossio (Artist, Cover Artist) • David Garcia Cruz (Colorist) • Luca Pizzari (Cover Artist)

Leoric and Ironhide only have hours left to save Cybertron from destruction, while Virulina tries to harness the life energy of Leoric’s captured friends to accelerate the end. Now Leoric must somehow detonate the counter-wave bomb and rescue his people. And the clock is ticking.

Re: Mini-Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #3 (1948188)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on March 25th, 2018 @ 12:20pm CDT

That first page has some of the worst composition I've ever seen. Aside from the hands, what are we looking at? Where are the sight lines??

Re: Mini-Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #3 (1948193)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on March 25th, 2018 @ 12:25pm CDT

QUICKSWITCH

Finally have a good reason to own his toy fiction wise, not that he has a bad toy either. Nice to see him brought in. And Wheeljack and Breakdown are good too.

A small plus, but finally it's there.

Re: Mini-Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #3 (1948196)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on March 25th, 2018 @ 12:28pm CDT

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:QUICKSWITCH

Finally have a good reason to own his toy fiction wise, not that he has a bad toy either. Nice to see him brought in. And Wheeljack and Breakdown are good too.

A small plus, but finally it's there.

Has he not been in IDWverse til now? :shock:

Sixshot was introduced way back in 2006, after all.

Re: Mini-Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #3 (1948198)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on March 25th, 2018 @ 12:29pm CDT

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:QUICKSWITCH

Finally have a good reason to own his toy fiction wise, not that he has a bad toy either. Nice to see him brought in. And Wheeljack and Breakdown are good too.

A small plus, but finally it's there.

Has he not been in IDWverse til now?

Sixshot was introduced way back in 2006, after all.

He showed up once in a flashback in OP issue 1, but this is the first time he is on screen and speaking

Re: Mini-Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #3 (1948199)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on March 25th, 2018 @ 12:35pm CDT

The two main Six Changers appearing over a decade apart?

The jumbled nature of IDWverse pooling characters from every continuity has always confused me.

Re: Mini-Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #3 (1948205)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on March 25th, 2018 @ 1:28pm CDT

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:The two main Six Changers appearing over a decade apart?

The jumbled nature of IDWverse pooling characters from every continuity has always confused me.

Every character that has ever existed is fair game, no matter the source material. And Sixshot is really the only well known (I use the term loosely even in his case) six-changer, so it's not terribly surprising for me to see Quickswitch appear this late in the game. And it is fun that he gets to appear at all, it helps get the obscure characters some actual screen time

Re: Mini-Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #3 (1948207)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on March 25th, 2018 @ 1:31pm CDT

Yeah, I get that and I have generally been in favour of IDW using everyone. Yet at the same time, given what Sixshot was during the -Ations - a Phase Sixer - from a lore point of view, logically the Autobots would have rolled out Quickswitch a lot sooner.

Re: Mini-Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #3 (1948209)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on March 25th, 2018 @ 1:34pm CDT

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Yeah, I get that and I have generally been in favour of IDW using everyone. Yet at the same time, given what Sixshot was during the -Ations - a Phase Sixer - from a lore point of view, logically the Autobots would have rolled out Quickswitch a lot sooner.

But technically speaking, Sixshot was a major threat because of the ununtrium skeleton he was given to make him a phase sixer. He was a six changer before probably, but the phase sixer upgrade only made him stronger.

And in this universe, Sixshot and Quickswitch are not shown to be related at all. Heck, we haven't even confirmation that Quickswitch is a 6-changer yet, and even so, other multi-changers haven't been shown to be uber powerful most of the time, look at Broadside, Sandstorm, and Springer for example. Even Blitzwing and Astrotrain didn't really play a bigger role due to their multiple modes

Re: Mini-Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #3 (1948214)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on March 25th, 2018 @ 1:39pm CDT

True. The only two shown to be Uber-Powerful in IDWverse are Prime and Megatron. A joke in itself at times.

Re: Mini-Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #3 (1948232)
Posted by Burn on March 25th, 2018 @ 3:09pm CDT

Better hope he doesn't show up for a few panels then becomes the latest victim in IDW's efforts to put over Visionaries. >:oP

Re: Mini-Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #3 (1948442)
Posted by Rodimus Knight on March 26th, 2018 @ 2:02pm CDT

This was the comic I tried to find the RI cover for. Got it on Ebay for just under $11. I'm pretty happy with that.

The story still isn't all that great though.

Re: Mini-Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #3 (1948444)
Posted by partholon on March 26th, 2018 @ 2:19pm CDT

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Yeah, I get that and I have generally been in favour of IDW using everyone. Yet at the same time, given what Sixshot was during the -Ations - a Phase Sixer - from a lore point of view, logically the Autobots would have rolled out Quickswitch a lot sooner.

But technically speaking, Sixshot was a major threat because of the ununtrium skeleton he was given to make him a phase sixer. He was a six changer before probably, but the phase sixer upgrade only made him stronger.

And in this universe, Sixshot and Quickswitch are not shown to be related at all. Heck, we haven't even confirmation that Quickswitch is a 6-changer yet, and even so, other multi-changers haven't been shown to be uber powerful most of the time, look at Broadside, Sandstorm, and Springer for example. Even Blitzwing and Astrotrain didn't really play a bigger role due to their multiple modes

actually has it ever been stated that sixshot has an ununtrium skeleton?

i know overlord bacame a phase sixer on the back of it but i all ways got the feeling sixshot went through a different process (the whole being built from materials minded from collapsed stars - so bascially neutronium- and his self regenerating dark matter core which fuels him indefinitely and provide his power needs)

kinda like the difference between capatin america and wolverine. theyre both still super soldiers, but got there by different means (plus the whole needing to be a point on percenter to even take such ministrations).

if im wrong ill put me hands up but i dont remember reading it anywhere. it always struck me that sixshot was something the cons managed at their height, whereas overlord and black shadow were what they could do when resources got low.

Re: Mini-Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #3 (1948467)
Posted by Burn on March 26th, 2018 @ 3:38pm CDT

If you want to talk other possible crossovers, there MAY be a thread about it already, if not, feel free to start one and take it there folks.
-edit-
Nevermind, I did the annoying-time-consuming-piss-me-off-split-posts-into-a-new-topic thing.

Re: Mini-Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #3 (1948518)
Posted by D-Maximal_Primal on March 26th, 2018 @ 7:22pm CDT

partholon wrote:
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Yeah, I get that and I have generally been in favour of IDW using everyone. Yet at the same time, given what Sixshot was during the -Ations - a Phase Sixer - from a lore point of view, logically the Autobots would have rolled out Quickswitch a lot sooner.

But technically speaking, Sixshot was a major threat because of the ununtrium skeleton he was given to make him a phase sixer. He was a six changer before probably, but the phase sixer upgrade only made him stronger.

And in this universe, Sixshot and Quickswitch are not shown to be related at all. Heck, we haven't even confirmation that Quickswitch is a 6-changer yet, and even so, other multi-changers haven't been shown to be uber powerful most of the time, look at Broadside, Sandstorm, and Springer for example. Even Blitzwing and Astrotrain didn't really play a bigger role due to their multiple modes

actually has it ever been stated that sixshot has an ununtrium skeleton?

i know overlord bacame a phase sixer on the back of it but i all ways got the feeling sixshot went through a different process (the whole being built from materials minded from collapsed stars - so bascially neutronium- and his self regenerating dark matter core which fuels him indefinitely and provide his power needs)

kinda like the difference between capatin america and wolverine. theyre both still super soldiers, but got there by different means (plus the whole needing to be a point on percenter to even take such ministrations).

if im wrong ill put me hands up but i dont remember reading it anywhere. it always struck me that sixshot was something the cons managed at their height, whereas overlord and black shadow were what they could do when resources got low.

While it was not stated outright, it was heavily implied Sixshot was given Ununtrium. Overlord went through the process, but there were concerns on the scientist doing the ununtrium coating that his birth on Luna-2 would make him reject the process, and that it had been done before to other Phase Sixers, and Sixshot was one. He survived being squished by Metroplex too, so I don't think there isn't really any room to doubt sixshot was given the ununtrium coating.

Even so, I hope Burn is right and we don't get a quick hi and bye for Quickswitch, though I fear he will die just because he is the guy who will almost succeed but then fail only for Primus to save the day sort of thing.

Re: Mini-Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #3 (1948568)
Posted by ZeroWolf on March 27th, 2018 @ 5:35am CDT

Well heres the thing, we know that the good guys will survive this...or at least win this as I'm guessing the events of op happen afterwards, since none of the cast have mentioned that onyx has turned up to say hi...though that would be a fun ending if onyx just appeared and stopped the darkling lords plan with ease. Would also be fun if somehow this was part of a plan by the liege maximo

Re: Mini-Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #3 (1948586)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on March 27th, 2018 @ 7:37am CDT

I don't see how this can end with any of the Visionaries left on Cybertron?

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:
partholon wrote:
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Yeah, I get that and I have generally been in favour of IDW using everyone. Yet at the same time, given what Sixshot was during the -Ations - a Phase Sixer - from a lore point of view, logically the Autobots would have rolled out Quickswitch a lot sooner.

But technically speaking, Sixshot was a major threat because of the ununtrium skeleton he was given to make him a phase sixer. He was a six changer before probably, but the phase sixer upgrade only made him stronger.

And in this universe, Sixshot and Quickswitch are not shown to be related at all. Heck, we haven't even confirmation that Quickswitch is a 6-changer yet, and even so, other multi-changers haven't been shown to be uber powerful most of the time, look at Broadside, Sandstorm, and Springer for example. Even Blitzwing and Astrotrain didn't really play a bigger role due to their multiple modes

actually has it ever been stated that sixshot has an ununtrium skeleton?

i know overlord bacame a phase sixer on the back of it but i all ways got the feeling sixshot went through a different process (the whole being built from materials minded from collapsed stars - so bascially neutronium- and his self regenerating dark matter core which fuels him indefinitely and provide his power needs)

kinda like the difference between capatin america and wolverine. theyre both still super soldiers, but got there by different means (plus the whole needing to be a point on percenter to even take such ministrations).

if im wrong ill put me hands up but i dont remember reading it anywhere. it always struck me that sixshot was something the cons managed at their height, whereas overlord and black shadow were what they could do when resources got low.

While it was not stated outright, it was heavily implied Sixshot was given Ununtrium. Overlord went through the process, but there were concerns on the scientist doing the ununtrium coating that his birth on Luna-2 would make him reject the process, and that it had been done before to other Phase Sixers, and Sixshot was one. He survived being squished by Metroplex too, so I don't think there isn't really any room to doubt sixshot was given the ununtrium coating.

Oh this was all lazy retcon stuff? Although I do recall at least Ratchet discussing his unique core, I thought I'd have to dig out Spotlight Sixshot and Devastation again for information on 'ununtrium' and 'point one percenters'. As I loathe retcon, it will be duly ignored.

Re: Mini-Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #3 (1948886)
Posted by Burn on March 28th, 2018 @ 4:04pm CDT

I love pork sausages, I have them for breakfast once or twice a week, it's kinda like a treat for me.

So this morning I sat down to have some pork sausages for breakfast, and to read Transformers vs Visionaries issue #4. I knew what I was getting into, I even told myself "don't do this, you won't enjoy your breakfast". But I didn't listen and continued forward on my path of self-torture.

Which hey, turns out, Witterquick and Mortdred are getting tortured too! So at least I'm not alone in my suffering.

Anyhoo ... really, just another bland issue, which I thought was actually the last issue in this series, imagine my disappointment when I discovered there's actually another issue. HUZZAH! Another chance for self-torture!

The plot, as we all know, magical talisman thingy heading to core of Cybertron to trigger magic stuff to turn Cybertron into new human for squishy magical beings. And then there's the magic countering thingy. That's where we left off last issue?

Yeah ... not much happens there. It's mostly about the Visionaries standing around being evil or emo.

What I don't get though is why they need to secure the anti-magic bomb to the outside of Quickswitch when Wheeljack and Ironhide ride inside him. Why not just carry it? That's just ... ugh. It makes no sense!

But hey, at least we get to see Quickswitch! You know, that OTHER six-changer? Yeah, he's dead.

This issue didn't send me into fanboy rage like the first issue did. Maybe I'm over it? Maybe the writers are over it and are just going through the motions? Maybe the thought of the whole universe ending makes me think they can do whatever they want, it's all going away soon?

Overall, meh. It's an issue that moves the story line along at a snails pace.

Re: Mini-Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #3 (1948890)
Posted by ZeroWolf on March 28th, 2018 @ 4:24pm CDT

Well that is predictable, sad but predictable. At least it will be over soon and I hope that idw just give the visionaries their own miniseries away from cybertron. It's still jarring for them to have been forced together.

Re: Mini-Review of IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #3 (1948891)
Posted by Burn on March 28th, 2018 @ 4:26pm CDT

ZeroWolf wrote:Well that is predictable, sad but predictable. At least it will be over soon and I hope that idw just give the visionaries their own miniseries away from cybertron. It's still jarring for them to have been forced together.

If this new TF universe results in separate universes for all the other franchises, getting Visionaries off the ground after this train wreck will not be an easy task.

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