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[Rodimus Knight]

This was the comic I tried to find the RI cover for. Got it on Ebay for just under $11. I'm pretty happy with that.

The story still isn't all that great though.

[partholon]

Yeah, I get that and I have generally been in favour of IDW using everyone. Yet at the same time, given what Sixshot was during the -Ations - a Phase Sixer - from a lore point of view, logically the Autobots would have rolled out Quickswitch a lot sooner.

But technically speaking, Sixshot was a major threat because of the ununtrium skeleton he was given to make him a phase sixer. He was a six changer before probably, but the phase sixer upgrade only made him stronger.

And in this universe, Sixshot and Quickswitch are not shown to be related at all. Heck, we haven't even confirmation that Quickswitch is a 6-changer yet, and even so, other multi-changers haven't been shown to be uber powerful most of the time, look at Broadside, Sandstorm, and Springer for example. Even Blitzwing and Astrotrain didn't really play a bigger role due to their multiple modes

actually has it ever been stated that sixshot has an ununtrium skeleton?

i know overlord bacame a phase sixer on the back of it but i all ways got the feeling sixshot went through a different process (the whole being built from materials minded from collapsed stars - so bascially neutronium- and his self regenerating dark matter core which fuels him indefinitely and provide his power needs)

kinda like the difference between capatin america and wolverine. theyre both still super soldiers, but got there by different means (plus the whole needing to be a point on percenter to even take such ministrations).

if im wrong ill put me hands up but i dont remember reading it anywhere. it always struck me that sixshot was something the cons managed at their height, whereas overlord and black shadow were what they could do when resources got low.

[Burn]

If you want to talk other possible crossovers, there MAY be a thread about it already, if not, feel free to start one and take it there folks.
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Nevermind, I did the annoying-time-consuming-piss-me-off-split-posts-into-a-new-topic thing.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

Yeah, I get that and I have generally been in favour of IDW using everyone. Yet at the same time, given what Sixshot was during the -Ations - a Phase Sixer - from a lore point of view, logically the Autobots would have rolled out Quickswitch a lot sooner.

But technically speaking, Sixshot was a major threat because of the ununtrium skeleton he was given to make him a phase sixer. He was a six changer before probably, but the phase sixer upgrade only made him stronger.

And in this universe, Sixshot and Quickswitch are not shown to be related at all. Heck, we haven't even confirmation that Quickswitch is a 6-changer yet, and even so, other multi-changers haven't been shown to be uber powerful most of the time, look at Broadside, Sandstorm, and Springer for example. Even Blitzwing and Astrotrain didn't really play a bigger role due to their multiple modes

actually has it ever been stated that sixshot has an ununtrium skeleton?

i know overlord bacame a phase sixer on the back of it but i all ways got the feeling sixshot went through a different process (the whole being built from materials minded from collapsed stars - so bascially neutronium- and his self regenerating dark matter core which fuels him indefinitely and provide his power needs)

kinda like the difference between capatin america and wolverine. theyre both still super soldiers, but got there by different means (plus the whole needing to be a point on percenter to even take such ministrations).

if im wrong ill put me hands up but i dont remember reading it anywhere. it always struck me that sixshot was something the cons managed at their height, whereas overlord and black shadow were what they could do when resources got low.

While it was not stated outright, it was heavily implied Sixshot was given Ununtrium. Overlord went through the process, but there were concerns on the scientist doing the ununtrium coating that his birth on Luna-2 would make him reject the process, and that it had been done before to other Phase Sixers, and Sixshot was one. He survived being squished by Metroplex too, so I don't think there isn't really any room to doubt sixshot was given the ununtrium coating.

Even so, I hope Burn is right and we don't get a quick hi and bye for Quickswitch, though I fear he will die just because he is the guy who will almost succeed but then fail only for Primus to save the day sort of thing.

[ZeroWolf]

Well heres the thing, we know that the good guys will survive this...or at least win this as I'm guessing the events of op happen afterwards, since none of the cast have mentioned that onyx has turned up to say hi...though that would be a fun ending if onyx just appeared and stopped the darkling lords plan with ease. Would also be fun if somehow this was part of a plan by the liege maximo

[AllNewSuperRobot]

I don't see how this can end with any of the Visionaries left on Cybertron?

Yeah, I get that and I have generally been in favour of IDW using everyone. Yet at the same time, given what Sixshot was during the -Ations - a Phase Sixer - from a lore point of view, logically the Autobots would have rolled out Quickswitch a lot sooner.

But technically speaking, Sixshot was a major threat because of the ununtrium skeleton he was given to make him a phase sixer. He was a six changer before probably, but the phase sixer upgrade only made him stronger.

And in this universe, Sixshot and Quickswitch are not shown to be related at all. Heck, we haven't even confirmation that Quickswitch is a 6-changer yet, and even so, other multi-changers haven't been shown to be uber powerful most of the time, look at Broadside, Sandstorm, and Springer for example. Even Blitzwing and Astrotrain didn't really play a bigger role due to their multiple modes

actually has it ever been stated that sixshot has an ununtrium skeleton?

i know overlord bacame a phase sixer on the back of it but i all ways got the feeling sixshot went through a different process (the whole being built from materials minded from collapsed stars - so bascially neutronium- and his self regenerating dark matter core which fuels him indefinitely and provide his power needs)

kinda like the difference between capatin america and wolverine. theyre both still super soldiers, but got there by different means (plus the whole needing to be a point on percenter to even take such ministrations).

if im wrong ill put me hands up but i dont remember reading it anywhere. it always struck me that sixshot was something the cons managed at their height, whereas overlord and black shadow were what they could do when resources got low.

While it was not stated outright, it was heavily implied Sixshot was given Ununtrium. Overlord went through the process, but there were concerns on the scientist doing the ununtrium coating that his birth on Luna-2 would make him reject the process, and that it had been done before to other Phase Sixers, and Sixshot was one. He survived being squished by Metroplex too, so I don't think there isn't really any room to doubt sixshot was given the ununtrium coating.

Oh this was all lazy retcon stuff? Although I do recall at least Ratchet discussing his unique core, I thought I'd have to dig out Spotlight Sixshot and Devastation again for information on 'ununtrium' and 'point one percenters'. As I loathe retcon, it will be duly ignored.

[Burn]

I love pork sausages, I have them for breakfast once or twice a week, it's kinda like a treat for me.

So this morning I sat down to have some pork sausages for breakfast, and to read Transformers vs Visionaries issue #4. I knew what I was getting into, I even told myself "don't do this, you won't enjoy your breakfast". But I didn't listen and continued forward on my path of self-torture.

Which hey, turns out, Witterquick and Mortdred are getting tortured too! So at least I'm not alone in my suffering.

Anyhoo ... really, just another bland issue, which I thought was actually the last issue in this series, imagine my disappointment when I discovered there's actually another issue. HUZZAH! Another chance for self-torture!

The plot, as we all know, magical talisman thingy heading to core of Cybertron to trigger magic stuff to turn Cybertron into new human for squishy magical beings. And then there's the magic countering thingy. That's where we left off last issue?

Yeah ... not much happens there. It's mostly about the Visionaries standing around being evil or emo.

What I don't get though is why they need to secure the anti-magic bomb to the outside of Quickswitch when Wheeljack and Ironhide ride inside him. Why not just carry it? That's just ... ugh. It makes no sense!

But hey, at least we get to see Quickswitch! You know, that OTHER six-changer? Yeah, he's dead.

This issue didn't send me into fanboy rage like the first issue did. Maybe I'm over it? Maybe the writers are over it and are just going through the motions? Maybe the thought of the whole universe ending makes me think they can do whatever they want, it's all going away soon?



Overall, meh. It's an issue that moves the story line along at a snails pace.

[ZeroWolf]

Well that is predictable, sad but predictable. At least it will be over soon and I hope that idw just give the visionaries their own miniseries away from cybertron. It's still jarring for them to have been forced together.

[Burn]

Well that is predictable, sad but predictable. At least it will be over soon and I hope that idw just give the visionaries their own miniseries away from cybertron. It's still jarring for them to have been forced together.

If this new TF universe results in separate universes for all the other franchises, getting Visionaries off the ground after this train wreck will not be an easy task.

[ZeroWolf]

Well that is predictable, sad but predictable. At least it will be over soon and I hope that idw just give the visionaries their own miniseries away from cybertron. It's still jarring for them to have been forced together.

If this new TF universe results in separate universes for all the other franchises, getting Visionaries off the ground after this train wreck will not be an easy task.

True, though I don't believe that they are abandoning the shared universe just yet but either way I've got a good idea on how to really do a visionaries revival...game of thrones, visionaries style. It would be a hit if done just right, all the elements are there. They would just have to pretend this didn't exist

[Deadput]

Well with Unicron coming and the end of the IDW continuity in hand I guess killing Quickswitch off is something they might as well get over and done with. So really I don't even care.

[Randomhero]

I ain’t phased. Not because it’s the end or it’s this series. As I’ve said I’m enjoying the series just fine. Getting upset over Quickswitch is like getting upset over a micromaster. He was literally no one. It’s not like Ratbat in issue 2 of RID of trailbreaker in MTMTE or even a throttlebot in OP

[Va'al]

I think there's a big difference between being upset and being annoyed at a character being used for fodder - especially when that has been the case for 3 out of 4 issues so far.

I was about to write my review when we spotted Burn's comments and decided to use that instead: he hit all the things I wanted to say about this issue. I have no ill feelings towards the book, but it's a great pile of mediocre nothing at this point.

[Randomhero]

I think there's a big difference between being upset and being annoyed at a character being used for fodder - especially when that has been the case for 3 out of 4 issues so far.

I was about to write my review when we spotted Burn's comments and decided to use that instead: he hit all the things I wanted to say about this issue. I have no ill feelings towards the book, but it's a great pile of mediocre nothing at this point.

Yeah but in that same way wasn’t Ratbat, Sunstorm, Pipes, blot, Triggerhappy and Hardhead all used as fodder. Let’s not kid ourselves Pipes was given one story in MTMTE and proceeded to be in the background and used as a punching bag until he was stomped on and proceeded to continue being used as a punching bag even after with no one even acknowledging his death until 5 years later with the latest issue of LL.

People were sad but no one was accusing Roberts or Barber in his books of introducing characters as fodder because that’s all some of them were. They were present to die.

Look at Simon furmans career where he gets off killing EVERYONE but grimlock and Shockwave no one complains about that at all. If anything it’s become a joke anymore with “well who’s Simon killing in this story?”

[ZeroWolf]

Looking at it in that respect, Simon furman has a lot in common with Yoshiyuki "kill'em all" Tomino, creator and mass murderer of the mobile suit gundam franchise

[Randomhero]

I do love the end of the review that says the story is moving yet at a snails pace. MEANWHILE 74 issues later in MTMTE/LL were finally reaching Cyberutopia not because of story progression but due to macguffins and convenient coincidences but we’re gonna praise that a lot more for...things and...stuff.

I’m just playing devils advocate but let’s not kid ourselves, were not reaching the end because of the story. The warren, something getaway decides to bring up years after joining the crew that can get them there is conveniently able to reach cyberutopia in moments and Rodimus crew also conveniently discovered it because that’s what they were flying into are all now where it’s going. And scorponok is also using this thing because he is part of this plot.

I mean come on now.

[Va'al]

I think there's a big difference between being upset and being annoyed at a character being used for fodder - especially when that has been the case for 3 out of 4 issues so far.

I was about to write my review when we spotted Burn's comments and decided to use that instead: he hit all the things I wanted to say about this issue. I have no ill feelings towards the book, but it's a great pile of mediocre nothing at this point.

Yeah but in that same way wasn’t Ratbat, Sunstorm, Pipes, blot, Triggerhappy and Hardhead all used as fodder. Let’s not kid ourselves Pipes was given one story in MTMTE and proceeded to be in the background and used as a punching bag until he was stomped on and proceeded to continue being used as a punching bag even after with no one even acknowledging his death until 5 years later with the latest issue of LL.

People were sad but no one was accusing Roberts or Barber in his books of introducing characters as fodder because that’s all some of them were. They were present to die.

Look at Simon furmans career where he gets off killing EVERYONE but grimlock and Shockwave no one complains about that at all. If anything it’s become a joke anymore with “well who’s Simon killing in this story?”

I take your points, but still see a lot of this as unnecessary in a series that is supposed to be a crossover. Taking characters from the 'other franchise' in your series just to use them as redshirts is just a bit.. lazy? I dunno. As I said, I'm not angry, just pftfptft about it all.

[Randomhero]

I think there's a big difference between being upset and being annoyed at a character being used for fodder - especially when that has been the case for 3 out of 4 issues so far.

I was about to write my review when we spotted Burn's comments and decided to use that instead: he hit all the things I wanted to say about this issue. I have no ill feelings towards the book, but it's a great pile of mediocre nothing at this point.

Yeah but in that same way wasn’t Ratbat, Sunstorm, Pipes, blot, Triggerhappy and Hardhead all used as fodder. Let’s not kid ourselves Pipes was given one story in MTMTE and proceeded to be in the background and used as a punching bag until he was stomped on and proceeded to continue being used as a punching bag even after with no one even acknowledging his death until 5 years later with the latest issue of LL.

People were sad but no one was accusing Roberts or Barber in his books of introducing characters as fodder because that’s all some of them were. They were present to die.

Look at Simon furmans career where he gets off killing EVERYONE but grimlock and Shockwave no one complains about that at all. If anything it’s become a joke anymore with “well who’s Simon killing in this story?”

I take your points, but still see a lot of this as unnecessary in a series that is supposed to be a crossover. Taking characters from the 'other franchise' in your series just to use them as redshirts is just a bit.. lazy? I dunno. As I said, I'm not angry, just pftfptft about it all.

They needed a big name. Talking about Kup. I got it. Do I like it? Not really but it was necessary.

It wasn’t gonna be a visionary because and I’m sorry NOBODY CARES ABOUT VISIONARIES. Nobody! They needed a big name to get a hook and they did it.

That’s what this series is so notorious for. Starting off with killing kup. And “terrible designs that ruined people’s love for visionaries.” Don’t give me that. It was a failed cartoon and failed toyline.

[Burn]

People were sad but no one was accusing Roberts or Barber in his books of introducing characters as fodder because that’s all some of them were. They were present to die.

The main TF books are on-goings. The pace of it is going to fluctuate. And if characters die in it, it's done to advance the story.

This is a 5 issue series. You would expect something to happen with each book. But very little happened with this issue. Hell, we didn't even get Waspinator and look at how the previous book ended! So far we've now lost 2.5 Transformers to characters and a franchise that no one cares about. That's why I'm pissed and it's why others are pissed as well. Pointless deaths to further a pointless story.

[ZeroWolf]

Especially a pointless story that was meant to introduce the visionaries to the hasbroverse yet is about to be rebooted.

[Burn]

Especially a pointless story that was meant to introduce the visionaries to the hasbroverse yet is about to be rebooted.

Which means I suppose I should get over the death of Kup and drop my fanboy raging.

But **** it ... this is a **** series. It's down there with Transformers/Avengers.

[ZeroWolf]

Ugh when I said in a different thread that ahm was the worst idw had done, I had completely forgotten that book existed.

Thanks burn -_- I thought I'd managed to erase it from my memory

[Burn]

I made you remember suffering? Excellent ...

[ZeroWolf]

I made you remember suffering? Excellent ...

Suffering? If only, Avengers/transformers is banned under the Geneva convention as a form of torture

[Randomhero]

People were sad but no one was accusing Roberts or Barber in his books of introducing characters as fodder because that’s all some of them were. They were present to die.

The main TF books are on-goings. The pace of it is going to fluctuate. And if characters die in it, it's done to advance the story.

This is a 5 issue series. You would expect something to happen with each book. But very little happened with this issue. Hell, we didn't even get Waspinator and look at how the previous book ended! So far we've now lost 2.5 Transformers to characters and a franchise that no one cares about. That's why I'm pissed and it's why others are pissed as well. Pointless deaths to further a pointless story.

Wreckers was a 5 issue story and Ironfist, rotorstorm, pyro, topspin, twin twist died and all their deaths were pointless and not story advancing. The creators even said all those deaths were 100% avoidable and pointless.

Also in wreckers, things didn’t really start kicking off till 3rd to fourth issue, first couple are set ups. Likes this.

Stuff did happen in this book. Wheeljack finalized his plan to stop the talisman and they headed down to stop in. The good visionaries and autobots are together to save the planet. A lot happens.

Again shitting on a book that set to fail by people saying they didn’t want it from the get go.