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As far as I can tell, there is nothing not cool about that toy. Even his sword is cool.

Only thing I have against him is the backpack. Besides that, I want him. I want ALL of them!

I don't like the writing on his windshield. But otherwise, lookin good.

Cobotron wrote:

Editor wrote: But that is just what works for me, and I'll respect anyone elses views on what works for them as long as they respect mine.

I've only been a member for a short while, and over all I feel like, in here, there needs to be more of this. Well said Editor.

Thank you Cobotron.
New members, Old members, all should be welcome as long as we all bring something to the community and make it better as a whole. A little respect can go a long way.

Va'al wrote:Don't agree with all the points, but that was a fantastic post. Thank you.

Thanks Va'al. No surprise there, we'll just agree to disagree.
But hey it would be pretty boring if we all universally had the exact same views anyways.

Cobotron wrote:

Editor wrote: But that is just what works for me, and I'll respect anyone elses views on what works for them as long as they respect mine.

I've only been a member for a short while, and over all I feel like, in here, there needs to be more of this. Well said Editor.

Va'al wrote:Don't agree with all the points, but that was a fantastic post. Thank you.

agreed! all hail EDITOR, purveyor of justice and sanity!

Cobotron wrote:As far as I can tell, there is nothing not cool about that toy. Even his sword is cool.

totally brah. did you get tingles when you saw this pic?

Editor wrote:

Va'al wrote:Don't agree with all the points, but that was a fantastic post. Thank you.

Thanks Va'al. No surprise there, we'll just agree to disagree.

Sure! You're obviously clearly wrong, but that goes without saying.


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i love figures that can mount cannons on their back

Breakdown is looking good. Not as good as Drag Strip, but still good. The backpack is a bit strange, but a) I don't plan to pose him with his back facing; and b) I get that this line has to make little sacrifices in terms of kibble or transforming intracacy because of them being combiners. Simple and fun. I also like the detailing on his chest to make the connector port look less obvious.

shajaki wrote:

Cobotron wrote:As far as I can tell, there is nothing not cool about that toy. Even his sword is cool.

totally brah. did you get tingles when you saw this pic?

I was so busy looking at his sword, AND trying to figure out what the port is for under the hood that... WHOA! thats what it's for! AWESOME!

As a brand new guy, I'd like to say thank you guys for making this an enjoyable site to read and collect news from. I love transformers and all they can do a great deal.

Since this is dealing with combiner wars, I'd first like to say I love this line and the ideas behind it. Combiners are so awesome and I want some really good ones for my collection. I really like the legends class 6th figure since it adds some really cool little combiner upgrades so to speak. I have RotF Devastator, BH Abominus and FoC Ruination, and while I love all 3 of them, these guys are far and away better than any combiner I've dealt with.

I really like that Superion and think it is brilliantly engineered. I really like Alpha Bravo too: I like some change-up and mix-up, and He is a brilliant piece of engineering. With Silverbolt coming next week, I'll have the first wave deluxes and him and can finally make Superion + Dragstrip!

Menasor looks good, though not at good as Silverbolt.
Devastator looks amazing, and he is on my Christmas list. I don't mind the sacrifices made to the individual bots: Swerve is my fav toy cause I can convert him in 5 seconds either way, and it looks like I can do that with these guys too.
Defensor is frikkin' amazing and is my Favorite looking combiner to date.

Here's to hoping Bruticus and Computron come along!

P.S. I like this fan built combiner idea. I have voted on everything and I am very excited. With the Defensor retools we saw, I have even higher hopes for the Final Character. I loved the first fan-built character, and Windblade now sits on my desk in my dorm room in college. I look forward to the fan combiner she can command.

One of these things is not like the others,
One of these things just doesn't belong,
Can you tell which thing is not like the others,
By the time I finish my song?



Warning, opinions ahead!
I really hope the Hasbro Slingshot rumors aren't a hoax, or I'll be so mad. Alla yalls can have your own opinions or whatever, that's fine, you're entitled to them, but to me no one could fill my favorite Aerialbot's shoes, let alone some predeco of Blades and or Vortex.

AB on his own, whatever, he's a'ight, I suppose, but as an Aerialbot, nope, nuh uh, nananana, I can't hear you, the part of ten year old me that still lives on deep down inside just ain't havin it, no matter what sort of madness is apparently at play in today's comics.
end opinions!

Agamemnon wrote:

Flashpoint_82 wrote:Has anyone noticed that Silverbolts nose can turn down, like a real Concorde ???

(I cannot wait to get home and check this out...)

I was wondering why he had a joint there. Guess it's just a extra like landing gear that the toy doesn't really need, but adds detail.

shajaki wrote:agreed! all hail EDITOR, purveyor of justice and sanity!

My wife would be first in line to argue that sanity point.

Va'al wrote:

Editor wrote:

Va'al wrote:Don't agree with all the points, but that was a fantastic post. Thank you.

Thanks Va'al. No surprise there, we'll just agree to disagree.

Sure! You're obviously clearly wrong, but that goes without saying.


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Well of course I am. And so are you.

And that Breakdown is sick. Can't wait to complete this set.

Optimum Supreme wrote:

One of these things is not like the others,
One of these things just doesn't belong,
Can you tell which thing is not like the others,
By the time I finish my song?

Certainly. One's a Voyager while the rest are all Deluxes.

The same of which is more of a commercial passenger aircraft while the four Deluxes are all combat aircraft.

The backpack really has me question my interest in this particular figure, and the qualms I already have with the Stunticons just make me think I doubt I'll get anything more than the Aerialbots at the moment.

Even Defensor and Devastator do not tickle my plastic joy - not like Superion did/does. Maybe it is just the desire to recreate the cover for Windblade CW #1!




And I like my four limbs being different molds!

I'm surprised at how underwhelmed I am about Breakdown. I just... don't... like... him... very... much.

Much more a fan of TFSS Breakdown, strangely.

Va'al wrote:And I like my four limbs being different molds!

Which the Stunticons truly are: Skydive and Air Raid are supposedly a pretool pair, the only one within a single team so far.

Meh I prefer blocky look of breakdown; the TFCC interpretations even though using the right figure for time; couldn't accomplish the flat chest of the original breakdown; instead with the hood chest; he looked about as buxom as any other given 84-85 car; and tended to blend in.

Cobotron wrote:As far as I can tell, there is nothing not cool about that toy. Even his sword is cool.

My thoughts exactly!! His alt mode and robot modes are both solid, and I can't wait to get that awesome looking sword!!

Also, my CW Silverbolt arrived in the mail today! I love it! Plus, I made sure to buy 2 Skydives (I wish I had 2 Alpha Bravo's - maybe someday), so no Dragstrip limb for me!

Va'al wrote:The backpack really has me question my interest in this particular figure, and the qualms I already have with the Stunticons just make me think I doubt I'll get anything more than the Aerialbots at the moment.

embrace the rest of CW the way youve embraced AB! spread the love

megatronus wrote:Also, my CW Silverbolt arrived in the mail today! I love it! Plus, I made sure to buy 2 Skydives (I wish I had 2 Alpha Bravo's - maybe someday), so no Dragstrip limb for me!

I did this by accident... My first Skydive broke at the shoulder, and I bought a second. Figured "well, since Air Raid isn't out yet, and I would feel dirty if I put Dragstrip on Superion, so...".

And that is the story of how I have a Superion with two left feet.

Mindmaster wrote:
And that is the story of how I have a Superion with two left feet.

PRO: Properly made up of autobot aircraft.
CON: Can't dance anymore.

Va'al wrote:The backpack really has me question my interest in this particular figure, and the qualms I already have with the Stunticons just make me think I doubt I'll get anything more than the Aerialbots at the moment.

Even Defensor and Devastator do not tickle my plastic joy - not like Superion did/does. Maybe it is just the desire to recreate the cover for Windblade CW #1!




And I like my four limbs being different molds!

By superion, I believe you meant Alpha Bravo . Because I love him as well, I think we should start a religion called Alpha Bravo-ism. We will worship a combiner made up of Silverbolt (with Alpha Bravo's head) and 4 Alpha Bravos as the limbs. Our ideals will be based off of those of our savior alpha bravo.

Can't wait for these guys. I already have Drag Strip, Motormaster, and Blackjack, and need to wrap up the gang.


While I am grabbing the figures, I was never that into the Aerialbots. The Stunticons, on the other hand, had more personality.

They should retool the Arcee mold into some badass Stunticon girl. She doesn't even have to combine with the others. She could just ride Menasor like Master Blaster from Thunderdome.

The Transformers: Battle Tactics mobile game has provided some updated information about the upcoming Fan-Built Autobot combiner, more specifically, that it's origins come from the Sea Of Rust.

We were notified of this update, thanks to fellow Seibertronian and fan, D-Maximus_Prime.

We've mirrored the screenshot below:



Keep your optics tuned to Seibertron.com for the latest in news and updates, plus the best galleries around!

Well....that's meaningless. If it's a decent combiner I don't care if it lives in a van down by the river.

Autobot032 wrote:The Transformers: Battle Tactics mobile game has provided some updated information about the upcoming Fan-Built Autobot combiner, more specifically, that it's origins come from the Sea Of Rust.

We were notified of this update, thanks to fellow Seibertronian and fan, D-Maximus_Prime.

We've mirrored the screenshot below:



Keep your optics tuned to Seibertron.com for the latest in news and updates, plus the best galleries around!

How many faces can you see?

Optimum Supreme wrote:

One of these things is not like the others,
One of these things just doesn't belong,
Can you tell which thing is not like the others,
By the time I finish my song?



Warning, opinions ahead!
I really hope the Hasbro Slingshot rumors aren't a hoax, or I'll be so mad. Alla yalls can have your own opinions or whatever, that's fine, you're entitled to them, but to me no one could fill my favorite Aerialbot's shoes, let alone some predeco of Blades and or Vortex.

AB on his own, whatever, he's a'ight, I suppose, but as an Aerialbot, nope, nuh uh, nananana, I can't hear you, the part of ten year old me that still lives on deep down inside just ain't havin it, no matter what sort of madness is apparently at play in today's comics.
end opinions!

This.

I actually think Alpha s a well made figure, just not an Airialbot. I do see why hasbro would want to break up the mahogany of jets. I get it, I just don't like it. Personal preference. So I will hold out hope for a hasbro release of slingshot, and when that is confirmed or killed, I'll make my CW decision.

Wasn't it announced at the Toy show that the Sea of Rust had won that poll?

Cobotron wrote:Aren't they using Car Robots Gigatron/RID Galvatron as the current Galvatron? I think that's pretty cool. Or is he Gigatron in the books? Either way I'm glad that evil Mofo is getting some face time.

I'd love to see a new Overlord toy.

Gigatron showed up in the current Drift mini as Gigatron. Galvatron started out with a G1-style design, and is now sporting a more unique tank design.

I'm very skeptical that there is actually any real competition in this 'poll.' There was an interview posted somewhere a few days ago which Hasbro basically tells IDW which character to use/focus on, to go with the toys they're designing at least a year in advance of the story & toys being revealed. Does IDW get a say? Most likely, but Hasbro's driving this franchise.

My cynical belief is that Hasbro already has this "Fan Made" combiner done, dusted, and designed and is making us fans feel all warm and fuzzy over choosing it.

Either way, I like the Sea of Rust source. I'm hoping for a Junkion-style vibe from them.

Desslok2201 wrote:If it's a decent combiner I don't care if it lives in a van down by the river.

Mkall wrote:I'm very skeptical that there is actually any real competition in this 'poll.' There was an interview posted somewhere a few days ago which Hasbro basically tells IDW which character to use/focus on, to go with the toys they're designing at least a year in advance of the story & toys being revealed. Does IDW get a say? Most likely, but Hasbro's driving this franchise.

My cynical belief is that Hasbro already has this "Fan Made" combiner done, dusted, and designed and is making us fans feel all warm and fuzzy over choosing it.

Either way, I like the Sea of Rust source. I'm hoping for a Junkion-style vibe from them.

If I'm remembering right, hasbro has actually been outed in the past for doing this. One of the Star Wars figures that fans were supposed to "choose", and it was found the "winner" had been in production before the contest even started.

Ironhidensh wrote:

Mkall wrote:I'm very skeptical that there is actually any real competition in this 'poll.' There was an interview posted somewhere a few days ago which Hasbro basically tells IDW which character to use/focus on, to go with the toys they're designing at least a year in advance of the story & toys being revealed. Does IDW get a say? Most likely, but Hasbro's driving this franchise.

My cynical belief is that Hasbro already has this "Fan Made" combiner done, dusted, and designed and is making us fans feel all warm and fuzzy over choosing it.

Either way, I like the Sea of Rust source. I'm hoping for a Junkion-style vibe from them.

If I'm remembering right, hasbro has actually been outed in the past for doing this. One of the Star Wars figures that fans were supposed to "choose", and it was found the "winner" had been in production before the contest even started.

Out of curiosity, what figure was that?
I haven't followed Star Wars figures that much in resent years.

Also, the comic book art work for Breakdown shows his combiner kibble pegged into his back, like he has in one of the pictures of the figure.

I wanna say it was Mara Jade.

Ironhidensh wrote: I do see why hasbro would want to break up the mahogany of jets. I get it, I just don't like it.

The Arielbots are made of WOOD!?!?

Spell check, whatcha gonna do?

Is anyone having just a little hope since that the combiner is from the Sea of Rust, and the Sea of Rust is from Fall of Cybertron, MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYBBBBE, just mayyyyybe this means something for Transformers games?

Also, see this thread regarding why it is possible something may be happening.

http://www.seibertron.com/energonpub/high-moon-is-busy-it-seems-with-something--p1653494.php#p1653494

I would like to see a "Mad Max" Themed combiner, such as the Beast Hunter Autobots designs. That would require some pretty extensive remolding, but it would look pretty cool and I would buy it without hesitation.

Cobotron wrote:

Ironhidensh wrote: I do see why hasbro would want to break up the mahogany of jets. I get it, I just don't like it.

The Arielbots are made of WOOD!?!?

Spell check, whatcha gonna do?

perhaps it was a.... SPRUCE goose?

shajaki wrote:

Cobotron wrote:

Ironhidensh wrote: I do see why hasbro would want to break up the mahogany of jets. I get it, I just don't like it.

The Arielbots are made of WOOD!?!?

Spell check, whatcha gonna do?

perhaps it was a.... SPRUCE goose?

peaces wrote:i love figures that can mount cannons on their back

One thing that I first started noticing during beast wars... was that I LOVE figures who can incorporate ALL their stuff into any form. Skydive and Alpha Bravo KINDA fall short on that... I mean the gun/feet KINDA look like a weapon that can be held... but only kinda and you can still see fingers and stuff when they use it as giant guns. but at least I'm not losing parts.

This one? This is pretty awesome all around.

shajaki wrote:

Cobotron wrote:As far as I can tell, there is nothing not cool about that toy. Even his sword is cool.

totally brah. did you get tingles when you saw this pic?

You know whats funny? I totaly got the tingles. At first I was like... urgh, hollow legs...urgh, weird inside out backpack...

william-james88 wrote:

shajaki wrote:

Cobotron wrote:As far as I can tell, there is nothing not cool about that toy. Even his sword is cool.

totally brah. did you get tingles when you saw this pic?

You know whats funny? I totaly got the tingles. At first I was like... urgh, hollow legs...urgh, weird inside out backpack...

i know! i was the same when i saw that hollow backpack. and before i scrolled down i thought "hey! maybe the hand/foot can store in that..." *gasp*

Editor wrote:My two cents. Sorry if it's longer than I originally thought it would be.
(I haven't quoted anyone as too many other posts have already been posted while I was working on this while at work.)

I have zero problem with Alpha Bravo, the guy is a good figure has a nice transformation and looks good posed with other versions of Aerialbots in my collection.

For the record, born in '74 and first memory of Transformer let alone G1 was seeing the original first wave of toys at K-Mart and was hooked immediately. This was about 2 weeks before the show even came out. I had the original Superion, and clearly remember the day I bought Skydive at Woodwards to complete the set, when I couldn't find him anywhere else.

I have a decent current Superion for my needs I have already spent enough on, so I currently are not worried about getting the CW version, that said I bought Alpha Bravo two days ago, and opened him up yesterday.

Will I change my mind about getting CW Superion should Hasbro release Slingshot? Maybe.
Will I change my mind if the Takara one is available at a decent price? Maybe.
If I do will Alpha Bravo be thrown under the bus? Not a chance.

It has nothing to do him being a helicopter instead of a harrier like Slingshot.
It has nothing to do with if they use the same base for Blades (which I'll also buy) or Vortex (not worried, I like my FP/superlink Bruticus for him.) If the same mold is used for the fan-designed team, I'll likely buy that one, as well.
It has nothing to do with being Geewon or not.
It has everything to do with the fact that change happens, either you roll with it, take it as it comes and enjoy things, or **** and let it weigh you down.

If you like the character, buy it. If you hate the character, bitching he exists won't change the past. As far as Off-Road goes, As I do plan to get that set, i'm getting him, and if Wildrider is released later, Off-Road will be posed beside them. Rook (hell yhea I'm buying this guy) will not see a fraction of this hate, simply because many of us see Groove being moved away from being a limb is a good thing, regardless for how it effects the G1ness of Defensor.

To a lesser degree but introduced to the conversation already:
I have an almost complete run of the Marvel comics, missing a few of the earliest ones, as I didn't even know it existed until issue 7. I liked the basis of the Dreamwave run, not everything mind you, but I found them enjoyable. However I have tried the IDW comics on and off a few times, but I just can't get into them, a few one i read and loved (spotlight Kup) and I like many of the bits with the Lost Light, but other aspects I just can't stand, like Prime jumping back and forth to being Orion, and (prepares for the hate) while I know a number of people are super excited about the CW Ultra Magnus that is coming out, I hate the direction they went with the whole "Magnus died eons ago, others have taken his place" It worked for the Dread Pirate Roberts, It's expected every now and then with Batman (and other DC characters), It was plot twist I saw coming a mile away and killed an otherwise enjoyable read in John Byrne's Next Men Prequel 2112. But it seems (to me atleast) to be the best example of IDW recrafting classic characters without a shred of connection to the original concepts created for them, but I digress.

What works or exists in your personal collections or head-canon is a matter of works for you. Personally I can see Alpha Bravo, Rook and Off-Road as basically G1 because they have been introduced standing beside existing G1 characters. I don't see IDW stories as being G1 because they push to far beyond the boundaries of story definition from either the a) the original show, b) the Marvel run of comics or c) the bios written for the original Tech Specs. But that is just what works for me, and I'll respect anyone elses views on what works for them as long as they respect mine.

You've just said what been boiling inside me with the IDW take on TF lore. Yup! I don't have to like it but I respect those who do so, hopefully respecting my opinions too.

One thing I got to hand to IDW, they didn't drop the ball on TF for better or worse and kept the comic line running for like almost a decade (?) now. I'm looking at you Pat Lee!

So I just stood Legends Powerglide next to my newly assembled CW Superion, and I had an epiphany. The Combiners are Legends-scaled!



With all the mass-shifting that takes place in their cartoon and comic portrayals, the Combiners go way, way better with the new Legends figures than with the Deluxes... and I like it!

I'll throw my hat in...

I'm not knocking AB or Offroad, but I do have a question about them. Have they appeared anywhere in fiction or toys, besides the recent IDW depictions as being "backup" limbs? That would be my only gripe about them. If they're some obscure, late G1 characters, then that might explain a little. I kind of got away from Transformers right after the 3 episodes that they passed off as Season 4 of G1.

I like AB as a stand alone figure, and I can accept the backup limb idea, but I still want Slingshot and Wildrider. Not as enthused about Offroad.

I would like to point out that in most fictions, the combined forms of Combiners makes a new persona. So, swapping limbs with different characters would seem to change the identity of the Combined form, wouldn't it? So, in essence, Superion minus Slingshot plus Alpha Bravo would no longer be Superion.

Just thinking.

Autobot032 wrote:The Transformers: Battle Tactics mobile game has provided some updated information about the upcoming Fan-Built Autobot combiner, more specifically, that it's origins come from the Sea Of Rust.

We were notified of this update, thanks to fellow Seibertronian and fan, D-Maximus_Prime.

We've mirrored the screenshot below:



Keep your optics tuned to Seibertron.com for the latest in news and updates, plus the best galleries around!

Shouldn't this news have gone in the thread for the poll?

Ironhidensh wrote:I actually think Alpha s a well made figure, just not an Airialbot. I do see why hasbro would want to break up the mahogany of jets. I get it, I just don't like it. Personal preference. So I will hold out hope for a hasbro release of slingshot, and when that is confirmed or killed, I'll make my CW decision.

The way Hasbro seems to be approaching new members to preexisting teams is like this.

Back when Hasbro introduced the Power Core Combiners at BotCon 2010 and were trying to justify the existence of "Bombshock w/ Combaticons" and "Skyburst w/ Aerialbots", their line of thinking at the time was that the five (or six, in cases like the Constructicons) original team members were not the only members of those teams, so as to say that while Bombshock and his drones are Combaticons, Hasbro did not want us to look at Bombshock combined with his drones and think "This is Bruticus." They wanted us to treat the originals as simply like one squadron within a greater, larger group of Combaticons, or Aerialbots, or whatever other combiner subgroups Hasbro was willing to add to.

We saw shades of this in the ROTF movie in which Devastator was formed by at least seven Constructicons while many more Constructicons (even of similar body-types to the ones who formed Devastator) fought on the ground at the same time as Devastator's climbing the pyramid to reveal the Great Machine.

It was later in the Exodus novel that this concept was taken further to a whole new level, in which the Aligned continuity's Constructicons were revealed to be HUGE in number. In that iteration, the Constructicons were an entire social class, with High Councilor Drivetrain as their patriarch. Anyone who worked in construction as part of the construction guilds was considered a Constructicon, regardless of whether or not they were among the specific seven (yes, seven) who formed Devastator. This suggests that Bulkhead might have once been considered a Constructicon before the war. But during the war, there were vast swarms of Constructicons; an entire army of them alone destroyed Crystal City. And the Retribution novel would eventually give us the names of the main seven who form Devastator: Scrapper, Mixmaster, Hook, Scavenger, Bonecrusher, Frontloader, and Long (not "Long Haul", just "Long").

The WFC comic (which adapted chapters 12-15 of Exodus) showed us what several of the book-only characters looked like, including the Constructicon patriarch Drivetrain:


And the Covenant of Primus book revealed Devastator:


Also in both the novels and the WFC/FOC video games, an Aerialbot was basically any Autobot who both could fly and had a jet-like altmode. Even Jetfire was considered an Aerialbot (even if he himself did not think so, still regarding himself as a Seeker, but an Autobot one). Same went for the Seekers, who were likewise just flying Decepticons with jet-like altmodes. In fact, according to the novels, all Aerialbots were ex-Seekers who had chosen to side with the Autobots when the time came to picking sides in the war. Jetfire was the only one who actually defected rather than having first gone with the Autobots when the war faction first sprang up and the population chose sides, though the games seem to have shown Jetfire having chosen to remain a neutral for as long as he could before he ultimately chose the Autobots. Additionally, for the five specific Aerialbots who form Superion, they're all named after their G1 counterparts, even if Fireflight has a similar body-type to Shockwave.

So in a way, with the latest additions of Alpha Bravo and Powerglide to the Aerialbots, Offroad and Blackjack to the Stunticons, and Rook to the Protectobots, Hasbro seems to just be keeping up with this mentality of having a greater number of members for each subgroup, whether they're necessary for gestalt combination or not.

Editor wrote:Wasn't it announced at the Toy show that the Sea of Rust had won that poll?

Yes it was.

1PrimeProductions wrote:Is anyone having just a little hope since that the combiner is from the Sea of Rust, and the Sea of Rust is from Fall of Cybertron, MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYBBBBE, just mayyyyybe this means something for Transformers games?

Also, see this thread regarding why it is possible something may be happening.

http://www.seibertron.com/energonpub/high-moon-is-busy-it-seems-with-something--p1653494.php#p1653494

The Sea of Rust existed in TF fiction long before the games came about.

JustPlainME wrote:I'll throw my hat in...

I'm not knocking AB or Offroad, but I do have a question about them. Have they appeared anywhere in fiction or toys, besides the recent IDW depictions as being "backup" limbs? That would be my only gripe about them. If they're some obscure, late G1 characters, then that might explain a little. I kind of got away from Transformers right after the 3 episodes that they passed off as Season 4 of G1.

They are brand new characters created specifically for this toyline. As far as fiction goes, Alpha Bravo has only appeared in the IDW comics, the Transformers: Battle Tactics game, and the Transformers Legends game. Offroad has only appeared in the Transformers Legends game.

fenrir72 wrote:

Editor wrote:My two cents. Sorry if it's longer than I originally thought it would be.
(I haven't quoted anyone as too many other posts have already been posted while I was working on this while at work.)

I have zero problem with Alpha Bravo, the guy is a good figure has a nice transformation and looks good posed with other versions of Aerialbots in my collection.

For the record, born in '74 and first memory of Transformer let alone G1 was seeing the original first wave of toys at K-Mart and was hooked immediately. This was about 2 weeks before the show even came out. I had the original Superion, and clearly remember the day I bought Skydive at Woodwards to complete the set, when I couldn't find him anywhere else.

I have a decent current Superion for my needs I have already spent enough on, so I currently are not worried about getting the CW version, that said I bought Alpha Bravo two days ago, and opened him up yesterday.

Will I change my mind about getting CW Superion should Hasbro release Slingshot? Maybe.
Will I change my mind if the Takara one is available at a decent price? Maybe.
If I do will Alpha Bravo be thrown under the bus? Not a chance.

It has nothing to do him being a helicopter instead of a harrier like Slingshot.
It has nothing to do with if they use the same base for Blades (which I'll also buy) or Vortex (not worried, I like my FP/superlink Bruticus for him.) If the same mold is used for the fan-designed team, I'll likely buy that one, as well.
It has nothing to do with being Geewon or not.
It has everything to do with the fact that change happens, either you roll with it, take it as it comes and enjoy things, or **** and let it weigh you down.

If you like the character, buy it. If you hate the character, bitching he exists won't change the past. As far as Off-Road goes, As I do plan to get that set, i'm getting him, and if Wildrider is released later, Off-Road will be posed beside them. Rook (hell yhea I'm buying this guy) will not see a fraction of this hate, simply because many of us see Groove being moved away from being a limb is a good thing, regardless for how it effects the G1ness of Defensor.

To a lesser degree but introduced to the conversation already:
I have an almost complete run of the Marvel comics, missing a few of the earliest ones, as I didn't even know it existed until issue 7. I liked the basis of the Dreamwave run, not everything mind you, but I found them enjoyable. However I have tried the IDW comics on and off a few times, but I just can't get into them, a few one i read and loved (spotlight Kup) and I like many of the bits with the Lost Light, but other aspects I just can't stand, like Prime jumping back and forth to being Orion, and (prepares for the hate) while I know a number of people are super excited about the CW Ultra Magnus that is coming out, I hate the direction they went with the whole "Magnus died eons ago, others have taken his place" It worked for the Dread Pirate Roberts, It's expected every now and then with Batman (and other DC characters), It was plot twist I saw coming a mile away and killed an otherwise enjoyable read in John Byrne's Next Men Prequel 2112. But it seems (to me atleast) to be the best example of IDW recrafting classic characters without a shred of connection to the original concepts created for them, but I digress.

What works or exists in your personal collections or head-canon is a matter of works for you. Personally I can see Alpha Bravo, Rook and Off-Road as basically G1 because they have been introduced standing beside existing G1 characters. I don't see IDW stories as being G1 because they push to far beyond the boundaries of story definition from either the a) the original show, b) the Marvel run of comics or c) the bios written for the original Tech Specs. But that is just what works for me, and I'll respect anyone elses views on what works for them as long as they respect mine.

You've just said what been boiling inside me with the IDW take on TF lore. Yup! I don't have to like it but I respect those who do so, hopefully respecting my opinions too.

One thing I got to hand to IDW, they didn't drop the ball on TF for better or worse and kept the comic line running for like almost a decade (?) now. I'm looking at you Pat Lee!

I'm quite a bit younger than you guys(22), and I completely missed out on G1 with the transformers movie being my first and only g1 experience. I kinda feel like lucky that I missed it though, because now I can get the modern stuff without any nostalgia factor blocking me from enjoying anything. I understand that you guys like what you grew up with, but IDW is what I grew up with. These combiner wars sets will be my first combiners, besides FOC bruticus, and I for one really don't care if there is a helicopter in an aerial team or a pickup in a stunt team. I'm just glad these are being made and that I can afford to pick a few of them up.

LE0KING wrote:I'm quite a bit younger than you guys(22), and I completely missed out on G1 with the transformers movie being my first and only g1 experience. I kinda feel like lucky that I missed it though, because now I can get the modern stuff without any nostalgia factor blocking me from enjoying anything. I understand that you guys like what you grew up with, but IDW is what I grew up with. These combiner wars sets will be my first combiners, besides FOC bruticus, and I for one really don't care if there is a helicopter in an aerial team or a pickup in a stunt team. I'm just glad these are being made and that I can afford to pick a few of them up.

Well said!