Image Comparing Siege Astrotrain to Titans Return Astrotrain

Wow, that is quite the difference there. I'm still probably going to replace TR Astrotrain with Siege Astrotrain. The TR version is just a boring mold to me.

william-james88 wrote:A lot of people are thinking of replacing their Titans Return Astrotrain with Siege Astrotrain, since that one has alt modes closer to the cartoon. However, that simple swap may not be so simple, when thinking of how all three Decepticon triple changers, which we got in Titans return, match up in height. We got a good in hand look at Siege Astrotrain in the unboxing images we published earlier today, but now we have a comparison image of this Astrotrain next to Takara's version of Titans Return Astrotrain. It comes to us from a fan named Ryan over at Cybertron Philippines. Remember that Astrotrain can be given some platform shoes to stand slightly taller and reach 7 inches (photo shown below as well).

I.... I really could have done without knowing this.....

Well, uh, hm, I wanted Astrotrain but...I'm probably still going to get him but uh, yeah, hmmm...

This is the only siege leader I have concerns with the size

Yeah I'm waiting for a bit of a sale. I want him for the train mode but wow he is really short

I have the Legends version and had wanted the Siege version, but ... huh. Shorter and has a questionable shuttle mode.

But I do like the bot mode better.

Hm.

I'm probably going to wait for a sale. I'm not that concerned with cartoon accuracy, but I've always loved steam trains, and I do like the spaceship mode. But I already struggle to justify the $50 for the regular leader class figures, so a figure like Astrotrain that isn't that big, doesn't have too many fun gimmicks, and ends up shorter than a voyager from Titans Return doesn't have much of a chance of me getting him at full price.

Though, now I'm concerned about Apeface's height because Astrotrain looks to be a head taller than him, but Siege's Astrotrain is a head shorter than TR Astrotrain... Though, I do admit I never handled the TR Astrotrain mold before, so I don't know if it's taller than the average voyager or not

Sentinel_Primal wrote:Though, I do admit I never handled the TR Astrotrain mold before, so I don't know if it's taller than the average voyager or not

It always felt rather standard to me.

Just cancelled my Pulse preorder for Astrotrain. The train looks great but that bot mode being so short, even with the lifts, doesn't justify the price tag; in my eyes. i will also keep my eye out for a holiday sale for him and see how low it can go.

Huh... guess I'll be waiting for a sale then. I was expecting him to be at least the same size as the TR mold if not bigger. Everything else about him looks phenomenal but that size... eesh.

Easy for me I will keep my pre-order for Siege Astrotrain, it's perfect!

Well, at least that means that Titans Return Sentinel Prime will remain one of the taller figures in my Siege collection.

SIEGE Leader Class Astrotrain is the Astrotrain for which I've been waiting. He's awesome. He's not 100% perfect. But what Triple Changer is for that matter? He's bulky and very heavy for a "Voyager Class" sized figure. He makes up for lack of height with bulk. The Titans Return Astrotrain was not bulky, was too thin (depth-wise), and was too tall for Astrotrain. The overall toy, including all of his accessories, weighs 10.3 ounces. By comparison, Legends Leader Class Overlord weighs 11.3 ounces and Titans Return Voyager Class Astrotrain weighs 5.7 ounces.

Seibertron.com gallery of Astrotrain will be posted late tomorrow or Wednesday.

Seibertron wrote:Seibertron.com gallery of Astrotrain will be posted late tomorrow or Wednesday.

WOO WOO!!

Emerje wrote:

Sideswipe G-Win wrote:Is anyone else unhappy that the Cybertronian look was just dropped in favour of Earth modes? I'm all G1 and I love the new reveals for Earthrise, but I'm really bummed out that most of the G1 Autobot roster won't be finished in the Cybetronian forms. Has there been any word on this from Hasbro? (I'm new, so please no flame-blasts for my not being up to date!)

The way things are going I'm guessing the third part will be movie based or later meaning a return to Cybertronian/futuristic alt modes. Whether they did Earthrise now or as the third part with some planet hopping in between they were always going to do Earth based line as part of the trilogy. And really, was anyone expecting mini Masterpieces? I'm very happy with the progression of War for Cybertron.

Emerje

hopefully Earthrise will give us sunstreaker and jazz

Wow, he really is small. But Seibertron main dude said he's going to be bulky.

Will get him, and will not replace Titans Return Astrotrain, I got the Hasbro "white" one and love that star-train battleship thing he has. The shuttle mode is also great. Will have to give him a new name. So will be having them both.

I really like that Titans Return mold, Zeta (or Sentinel, for got which one) Prime version is actually one of my fav's. He's easy to transform, great articulation and cool shuttle and battleship mode.

I think they're going to leave Jazz alone for a bit, since he has a Power of the Primes figure.

Hoping for an Earth Rise Bumblebee deluxe sized (with a little addon like Classics 1.0 so the bot himself can be a bit smaller)

Everything Earthrise looks amazing, I was already blown away by Siege but man... they're upping the game even further. That Optimus is pure love, Grapple looks 10/10. Just unpacked Prowl, omg man his transformation... Will get Smokescreen/Silverstreak/Barricade. The lot, all of 'm! Room isn't full yet!

william-james88 wrote:Remember that Astrotrain can be given some platform shoes

Booka-looka-looka-luge.

Sorry I couldn't find the clip.

william-james88 wrote:A lot of people are thinking of replacing their Titans Return Astrotrain with Siege Astrotrain, since that one has alt modes closer to the cartoon. However, that simple swap may not be so simple, when thinking of how all three Decepticon triple changers, which we got in Titans return, match up in height. We got a good in hand look at Siege Astrotrain in the unboxing images we published earlier today, but now we have a comparison image of this Astrotrain next to Takara's version of Titans Return Astrotrain. It comes to us from a fan named Ryan over at Cybertron Philippines. Remember that Astrotrain can be given some platform shoes to stand slightly taller and reach 7 inches (photo shown below as well).

Can I ask the post and story be updated with at least the original FB post and proper credit? Link here: https://www.facebook.com/groups/cybertr ... 025145320/

I think if Astrotrain is one of your favorite characters than the Siege Earthrise mold is what you want. If all you're concerned about is height then yeah TR has that...but it you know what else it has? A titan master head that hides in the back of the ship where there is a carrier style conning tower between 2 tail fins, meanwhile there's an unused space shuttle bridge in the front. Its got lifting body wings providing no lift because directly underneeth are untransformed arms; arms that have battleship cannons. The bot mode has huge feet and a tiny head. Its a mess.

You what it doesn't have? Ankle rockers a real trane mode etc.

People are forgetting that TR Astrotrain is also rather large for a Voyager within that line.



The Siege figure also comes with a box of weapons that serve triple purposes as a train car, launch pad, and armor. By now we should be used to Leaders being Voyagers with extra gear. Siege Astrotrain is really no different from Shockwave.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:People are forgetting that TR Astrotrain is also rather large for a Voyager within that line.



The Siege figure also comes with a box of weapons that serve triple purposes as a train car, launch pad, and armor. By now we should be used to Leaders being Voyagers with extra gear. Siege Astrotrain is really no different from Shockwave.

Emerje

Shockwave was over priced as well.

And remember people, this is a “leader class” figure sold for $50. Yeah it comes with more accessories that can make it slightly taller, but this is a $50 figure compared to a $25 figure.

Siege astrotrain is an easy skip, on the bright side I might be able to get a takara astrotrain cheap to go with the Hasbro TR one. I might pick the siege one up if it ever hits deluxe pricing just for the train mode.

So Titans Return is basically the same height as Siege Optimus Prime and Megatron.

cruizerdave wrote:And remember people, this is a “leader class” figure sold for $50. Yeah it comes with more accessories that can make it slightly taller, but this is a $50 figure compared to a $25 figure.

And it also weighs more and is much more solid then the voyager. Height isn't anything.

cruizerdave wrote:And remember people, this is a “leader class” figure sold for $50. Yeah it comes with more accessories that can make it slightly taller, but this is a $50 figure compared to a $25 figure.

THIS.....One can argue about weight or how solid it is but I feel like this is just the beginning..prices will skyrocket...

Easy pass for me just as Shockwave...even if there are more accessories....he is still just a 50 buck voyager class...

NTESHFT wrote:

cruizerdave wrote:And remember people, this is a “leader class” figure sold for $50. Yeah it comes with more accessories that can make it slightly taller, but this is a $50 figure compared to a $25 figure.

THIS.....One can argue about weight or how solid it is but I feel like this is just the beginning..prices will skyrocket...

Easy pass for me just as Shockwave...even if there are more accessories....he is still just a 50 buck voyager class...

By that reckoning, so are Ultra Magnus and Galaxy Upgrade Optimus Prime.

Again, there's more to the size class then just height. Otherwise you may as well complain that voyagers now aren't anything like they were back in the Cybertron line

ZeroWolf wrote:Again, there's more to the size class then just height. Otherwise you may as well complain that voyagers now aren't anything like they were back in the Cybertron line

Agreed. Not with the Cybertron part (because I didn't collect those), but the overall point.

I choose Cybertron because if I remember right, that's where the class designation originated.

sol magnus wrote:

NTESHFT wrote:

cruizerdave wrote:And remember people, this is a “leader class” figure sold for $50. Yeah it comes with more accessories that can make it slightly taller, but this is a $50 figure compared to a $25 figure.

THIS.....One can argue about weight or how solid it is but I feel like this is just the beginning..prices will skyrocket...

Easy pass for me just as Shockwave...even if there are more accessories....he is still just a 50 buck voyager class...

By that reckoning, so are Ultra Magnus and Galaxy Upgrade Optimus Prime.

Good point....but Prime and Magnus have almost always had that gimmick when it came to being a leader class...they still made me feel like I was getting a leader class figure....Siege Astrtrain and Shockwave don't have that effect, at least to me, if that makes any sense to you...

I think my main gripe about this is I'm worried that we will be paying 30 for deluxe, 50 for Voyager and 60 to 65 for leader class...I mean just look at how much the MP line has went up in such a short period of time. I hate that because it pretty much has knocked me out of getting them and I worry that the rest of the TF line will follow suit.

sol magnus wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:Again, there's more to the size class then just height. Otherwise you may as well complain that voyagers now aren't anything like they were back in the Cybertron line

Agreed. Not with the Cybertron part (because I didn't collect those), but the overall point.

Another good point....for me, I just feel like Astrotrain and Shockwave are missing something to give me the leader class feel....it's not necessarily the height....I just can't put my finger on what it is....

Wish it wasn't so small

NTESHFT wrote:I think my main gripe about this is I'm worried that we will be paying 30 for deluxe, 50 for Voyager and 60 to 65 for leader class...I mean just look at how much the MP line has went up in such a short period of time. I hate that because it pretty much has knocked me out of getting them and I worry that the rest of the TF line will follow suit.

I think those are 2 very different cases though. MP's are strictly marketed to adult collectors. The main generations line is marketed to both collectors and kids. It is going to be hard for them to push deluxe/voyager/leader much higher than $20/$30/$50 and still pull in enough kids and casual fans to make the numbers work out.

TF-fan kev777 wrote:

NTESHFT wrote:I think my main gripe about this is I'm worried that we will be paying 30 for deluxe, 50 for Voyager and 60 to 65 for leader class...I mean just look at how much the MP line has went up in such a short period of time. I hate that because it pretty much has knocked me out of getting them and I worry that the rest of the TF line will follow suit.

I think those are 2 very different cases though. MP's are strictly marketed to adult collectors. The main generations line is marketed to both collectors and kids. It is going to be hard for them to push deluxe/voyager/leader much higher than $20/$30/$50 and still pull in enough kids and casual fans to make the numbers work out.

I think this is spot on.

NTESHFT wrote:

sol magnus wrote:

NTESHFT wrote:

cruizerdave wrote:And remember people, this is a “leader class” figure sold for $50. Yeah it comes with more accessories that can make it slightly taller, but this is a $50 figure compared to a $25 figure.

THIS.....One can argue about weight or how solid it is but I feel like this is just the beginning..prices will skyrocket...

Easy pass for me just as Shockwave...even if there are more accessories....he is still just a 50 buck voyager class...

By that reckoning, so are Ultra Magnus and Galaxy Upgrade Optimus Prime.

Good point....but Prime and Magnus have almost always had that gimmick when it came to being a leader class...they still made me feel like I was getting a leader class figure....Siege Astrtrain and Shockwave don't have that effect, at least to me, if that makes any sense to you...

I think my main gripe about this is I'm worried that we will be paying 30 for deluxe, 50 for Voyager and 60 to 65 for leader class...I mean just look at how much the MP line has went up in such a short period of time. I hate that because it pretty much has knocked me out of getting them and I worry that the rest of the TF line will follow suit.

I get what you're saying but prices always go up as the prices hasbro pay go up as well, and they have to maintain their profit margin. There's other factors as well, like how many slots they have for Voyagers, and they get full, how to handle characters like Shockwave who needs to scale?

Scale is part of the problem but its just a reaction to all the fans who have been asking for it and complaining before.

NTESHFT wrote:

sol magnus wrote:

NTESHFT wrote:

cruizerdave wrote:And remember people, this is a “leader class” figure sold for $50. Yeah it comes with more accessories that can make it slightly taller, but this is a $50 figure compared to a $25 figure.

THIS.....One can argue about weight or how solid it is but I feel like this is just the beginning..prices will skyrocket...

Easy pass for me just as Shockwave...even if there are more accessories....he is still just a 50 buck voyager class...

By that reckoning, so are Ultra Magnus and Galaxy Upgrade Optimus Prime.

Good point....but Prime and Magnus have almost always had that gimmick when it came to being a leader class...they still made me feel like I was getting a leader class figure....Siege Astrtrain and Shockwave don't have that effect, at least to me, if that makes any sense to you...

I think my main gripe about this is I'm worried that we will be paying 30 for deluxe, 50 for Voyager and 60 to 65 for leader class...I mean just look at how much the MP line has went up in such a short period of time. I hate that because it pretty much has knocked me out of getting them and I worry that the rest of the TF line will follow suit.

I made this point a few pages back. Ultra Magnus and GU Prime "feel" like they're worth the 50 spot whereas Astrotrain and Shockwave 'don't necessarily.'

I have no qualms, he looks pretty good. Tbh scale in G1 was a mess. Anyone who thinks otherwise and has a titans return sentinel prime to trade can have my TR Astrotrain.

Problem is, I'd be displaying him next to TR Blitzwing and Octane.If he were a head taller than them I'd bite, but instead he's a head shorter.

$50 deluxe

Short Circuit wrote:I have no qualms, he looks pretty good. Tbh scale in G1 was a mess. Anyone who thinks otherwise and has a titans return sentinel prime to trade can have my TR Astrotrain.

Don't get me wrong...both Siege Astrotrain and Shockwave do look good as a figure themselves....I wish they would have just put them on the shelves as simply Voyager....and looking back...the G1 scale was indeed a mess...but back then, I was just a kid overly happy to get my Transformers...I try not to worry about scale today but OCD takes over and I hate that...takes the enjoyment out of it.....

NTESHFT wrote:Don't get me wrong...both Siege Astrotrain and Shockwave do look good as a figure themselves....I wish they would have just put them on the shelves as simply Voyager....and looking back...the G1 scale was indeed a mess...but back then, I was just a kid overly happy to get my Transformers...I try not to worry about scale today but OCD takes over and I hate that...takes the enjoyment out of it.....

I feel. I still get that childlike wonder myself so just having a representation of a character is fine for me. Since all my G1 stand ins are from different lines I’ve just learned to cope with the size disparity, but I have to say, when some of the more complex figures (and sometimes the simple ones) won’t fit together right, it drives me batty. I photo cars all day so seeing a messed up body panel in an alt mode... ooooooo

The increasing prices are a bit worrying though.

Forgetting the minutiae of a long dead 80's cartoon, that should be largely redundant to a 2019 toyline, the Decepticon Triple Changers should all be BIG, due to their nature. Blitzwing should realistically be the smallest of the three based on his altmodes. Scaling with the rank and file of Decepticon Jets. Octane and Astrotrain should loom over most bots, including Megatron. It makes very little sense, even with the idea of mass displacement, to justify one but who can Transform into an Airliner and another, a train and crew carrying space shuttle, being the height or build of regular bots.

Thickness or not, that is where TR Astrotrain is superior to the new one, before they've even been released.

For those who live near a Walgreens, has anyone seen Deluxe Ratchet yet? Is it actually out/ Because I'm seeing no listings for it on Ebay and my usual go-to websites like Kapow Toys don't have listings for him.

Munkky wrote:For those who live near a Walgreens, has anyone seen Deluxe Ratchet yet? Is it actually out/ Because I'm seeing no listings for it on Ebay and my usual go-to websites like Kapow Toys don't have listings for him.

I checked my local store last week, but no sign of him.

Munkky wrote:For those who live near a Walgreens, has anyone seen Deluxe Ratchet yet? Is it actually out/ Because I'm seeing no listings for it on Ebay and my usual go-to websites like Kapow Toys don't have listings for him.

Walgreens doesn't put out their exclusives like this until closer to the holiday season.

Munkky wrote:For those who live near a Walgreens, has anyone seen Deluxe Ratchet yet? Is it actually out/ Because I'm seeing no listings for it on Ebay and my usual go-to websites like Kapow Toys don't have listings for him.

I've had a pre-order with him for a while and his listing went from Aug '19 to 'Q4 '19'. I checked on here and the consensus seems to be he has been held back until either Black Friday or Thanksgiving... Whichever holiday comes first? Although, oddly Canada already has him

Munkky wrote:For those who live near a Walgreens, has anyone seen Deluxe Ratchet yet? Is it actually out/ Because I'm seeing no listings for it on Ebay and my usual go-to websites like Kapow Toys don't have listings for him.

He should be out around the holidays/at the start of the new year

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

Munkky wrote:For those who live near a Walgreens, has anyone seen Deluxe Ratchet yet? Is it actually out/ Because I'm seeing no listings for it on Ebay and my usual go-to websites like Kapow Toys don't have listings for him.

I've had a pre-order with him for a while and his listing went from Aug '19 to 'Q4 '19'. I checked on here and the consensus seems to be he has been held back until either Black Friday or Thanksgiving... Whichever holiday comes first? Although, oddly Canada already has him

That is all on Walgreens. For whatever reason they never put their exclusives out until they reset the whole toy section for the holidays. They have typically shown up somewhere around the end of October/beginning of November, so the wait won't be too much longer.

The first sightings will be on the west coast and they usually take about another week or 2 to show up in the midwest. Been that way for Brainstorm, the clones and Wreck-Gar so far, and I expect the same this year.

This is why giving exclusives to niche [non-global] companies, is a bad idea. Now that Toys-r-us is defunct, Amazon is the logical choice for exclusivity. As Hasbro is reluctant to be a direct distributor worldwide.

william-james88 wrote:A lot of people are thinking of replacing their Titans Return Astrotrain with Siege Astrotrain, since that one has alt modes closer to the cartoon. However, that simple swap may not be so simple, when thinking of how all three Decepticon triple changers, which we got in Titans return, match up in height. We got a good in hand look at Siege Astrotrain in the unboxing images we published earlier today, but now we have a comparison image of this Astrotrain next to Takara's version of Titans Return Astrotrain. It comes to us from a fan named Ryan over at Cybertron Philippines. Remember that Astrotrain can be given some platform shoes to stand slightly taller and reach 7 inches (photo shown below as well).

The size difference doesn't really bother me. All of the leaders for Siege have been voyagers with *upgrades* so, I would imagine to be the same with Earthrise. I passed on all the Triple Changer voyagers from TR because they didn't fit in with my collecting MO. The Leaders starting with Astrotrain (and seemingly continuing with Earthrise Prime) have some base connectivity, so I'll be purchasing them for that.