Unboxing gallery of WFC SIEGE Astrotrain, Apeface, Crosshairs, Spinister, Rung, Singe & Micromasters #NYCC2019 #NYCC

Sideswipe G-Win wrote:Is anyone else unhappy that the Cybertronian look was just dropped in favour of Earth modes? I'm all G1 and I love the new reveals for Earthrise, but I'm really bummed out that most of the G1 Autobot roster won't be finished in the Cybetronian forms. Has there been any word on this from Hasbro? (I'm new, so please no flame-blasts for my not being up to date!)

The way things are going I'm guessing the third part will be movie based or later meaning a return to Cybertronian/futuristic alt modes. Whether they did Earthrise now or as the third part with some planet hopping in between they were always going to do Earth based line as part of the trilogy. And really, was anyone expecting mini Masterpieces? I'm very happy with the progression of War for Cybertron.

Emerje

Sideswipe G-Win wrote:Is anyone else unhappy that the Cybertronian look was just dropped in favour of Earth modes? I'm all G1 and I love the new reveals for Earthrise, but I'm really bummed out that most of the G1 Autobot roster won't be finished in the Cybetronian forms. Has there been any word on this from Hasbro? (I'm new, so please no flame-blasts for my not being up to date!)

Nope. I’m super happy. The couple of Seige figures I actually kept for myself are now getting tossed to my kids. I cared very little for siege, and Earthrise is like a breath of fresh air.



That said, if the siege line sold well for Hasbro, I wouldn’t be surprised to see some more of these cybertronian forms showing up later on. Only time will tell, but Hasbro loves money far more than they love consistency.

Emerje wrote:

Sideswipe G-Win wrote:Is anyone else unhappy that the Cybertronian look was just dropped in favour of Earth modes? I'm all G1 and I love the new reveals for Earthrise, but I'm really bummed out that most of the G1 Autobot roster won't be finished in the Cybetronian forms. Has there been any word on this from Hasbro? (I'm new, so please no flame-blasts for my not being up to date!)

The way things are going I'm guessing the third part will be movie based or later meaning a return to Cybertronian/futuristic alt modes. Whether they did Earthrise now or as the third part with some planet hopping in between they were always going to do Earth based line as part of the trilogy. And really, was anyone expecting mini Masterpieces? I'm very happy with the progression of War for Cybertron.

Emerje

I'm kind of torn on the reveal. The Earthrise figures are phenomenal, but I was expecting the War for Cybertron trilogy to actually take place (at least mostly) on cybertron, during the civil war. I was looking forward to seeing the war more fleshed out and getting those Cybertronian modes everyone was expecting (like Bumblebee's). I also worry that with ER being so staunchly G1 in theme, we won't be getting any more nods to other continuities like Galaxy Upgrade Prime. So, I don't dislike Earthrise in any way, just wish we got more of something different.

Sideswipe G-Win wrote:Is anyone else unhappy that the Cybertronian look was just dropped in favour of Earth modes? I'm all G1 and I love the new reveals for Earthrise, but I'm really bummed out that most of the G1 Autobot roster won't be finished in the Cybetronian forms. Has there been any word on this from Hasbro? (I'm new, so please no flame-blasts for my not being up to date!)

I’ve mentioned it numerous times before, so many are probably tired of me discussing it - but since you brought it up, yes, I was very disappointed when I found out Earthrise would include yet more 80’s-inspired designs. I was hoping the entire trilogy would include Cybertronian alt modes. I think there is a wealth of opportunity there which needs further exploration.

Sideswipe G-Win wrote:Is anyone else unhappy that the Cybertronian look was just dropped in favour of Earth modes? I'm all G1 and I love the new reveals for Earthrise, but I'm really bummed out that most of the G1 Autobot roster won't be finished in the Cybetronian forms. Has there been any word on this from Hasbro? (I'm new, so please no flame-blasts for my not being up to date!)

Not really. Feels more like siege was the first episode of the cartoon. Earthrise is the rest of season one and two and part three will be released around the time Unicron is put out and I’m wagering that’s gonna be a heavy season three

Hasbro never said once that intended to do everyone from 84 in siege and I hate to break it to everyone but they’re not going to get everyone else in Earthrise and part three. They will probably complete the 84 cast because there’s only a few left not including all the minibots but dont expect they’re gonna complete casts like 1985. They did 98% of the Decepticons in one line which is great but fairly easy when the Decepticons were half the size the autobots

Yeah, I'm definitely disappointed that it appears to have switched focus to Earth without doing all of the heavy-hitters from the cast. BUT I'm hoping — like with combiners and headmasters — that there will still be some peppered in as the trilogy continues.

While I am excited at how good these earth modes look, it's a tragic missed opportunity that Hasbro apparently skipped the Cybertron modes for Wheeljack, Jazz and Bee. I'm holding out hopes these may show up in a box set or Pulse exclusive or such. (MTMTE box set with conductor rods accessories anyone??)
Seriously — Aside from the tetrajets, those seems like the entire reason you would do a line of Cybertronian vehicles. Everything else would be just icing.

Now I'll be hoping for "mini-masterpieces" for all the major players, though these second season guys are VERY welcome to me. (Not to mention obscure mail order characters. Bravo.) Honestly, anything from the Diaclone toy line being done justice is absolute tops.

Also, the way they are including accessories to give nods to specific episodes — like the skis and blaster for Cliffjumper — is very well thought out. Props.

The playability of blast effects, ramps (for Hoist), and modular accessories — absolutely dynamite. Hasbro is on its A-game.

Any reason why they're using EU packaging for the unboxing (no tm and warning in 26 languages!)?

And I found something interesting: the product codes for the Battle Masters and Apeface are in the same region as the Earthrise Wave 1 codes E71**, while the rest are past that with E82**. Pulled up maybe?

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Any reason why they're using EU packaging for the unboxing (no tm and warning in 26 languages!)?

It is my understanding that will be the standard going forward.

Sideswipe G-Win wrote:Is anyone else unhappy that the Cybertronian look was just dropped in favour of Earth modes? I'm all G1 and I love the new reveals for Earthrise, but I'm really bummed out that most of the G1 Autobot roster won't be finished in the Cybetronian forms. Has there been any word on this from Hasbro? (I'm new, so please no flame-blasts for my not being up to date!)

Absolutely. Other than the SIEGE Tetrajets, the Original WFC line (parallel with the games) is exactly what this one should have been. Which only now serves to highlight the massive shortcomings of SIEGE in general.

They purposely skipped out the Autobots that had Real Cybertronian modes from the Sunbow pilot, so they could just flog "futuristic cars" instead. Pure laziness from the design team. The half hearted attempt at a Cybertronian Autobot line have been scrapped altogether now, in favour of more 80's visual relics.

The "Flier" Decepticons, Micro/Battlemasters and Weaponisers were the only really authentic part of this entire line. I'd include Jetfire and Omega Supreme in that but they aren't purposely SIEGE designs, in as much as original figure updates that could have existed in any line.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Any reason why they're using EU packaging for the unboxing (no tm and warning in 26 languages!)?

And I found something interesting: the product codes for the Battle Masters and Apeface are in the same region as the Earthrise Wave 1 codes E71**, while the rest are past that with E82**. Pulled up maybe?

Thats what I thought when we learnt that Astrotrain was being repackaged in Earthrise wave 1 as well as Siege

Finished what will be my Siege Seeker Squadron by picking up Thundercracker over the weekend.
I'm lovin' this crew!

Sideswipe G-Win wrote:Is anyone else unhappy that the Cybertronian look was just dropped in favour of Earth modes

Not really because I feel those werent really cybertronian anyway. Like Hound, Megatron, Prowl and Sideswipe. They look the same as earth modes for vehicles not wanting to represent a specific brand (though Sideswipe isnt fooling anyone).

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

Sideswipe G-Win wrote:Is anyone else unhappy that the Cybertronian look was just dropped in favour of Earth modes? I'm all G1 and I love the new reveals for Earthrise, but I'm really bummed out that most of the G1 Autobot roster won't be finished in the Cybetronian forms. Has there been any word on this from Hasbro? (I'm new, so please no flame-blasts for my not being up to date!)

Absolutely. Other than the SIEGE Tetrajets, the Original WFC line (parallel with the games) is exactly what this one should have been. Which only now serves to highlight the massive shortcomings of SIEGE in general.

They purposely skipped out the Autobots that had Real Cybertronian modes from the Sunbow pilot, so they could just flog "futuristic cars" instead. Pure laziness from the design team. The half hearted attempt at a Cybertronian Autobot line have been scrapped altogether now, in favour of more 80's visual relics.

The "Flier" Decepticons, Micro/Battlemasters and Weaponisers were the only really authentic part of this entire line. I'd include Jetfire and Omega Supreme in that but they aren't purposely SIEGE designs, in as much as original figure updates that could have existed in any line.

Futuristic cars are fine by me. I love the molds for Sideswipe, Prowl, Hound, and Ironhide (as well as the subsequent redecos), whether or not one considers them Cybertronian style (i.e., hovercars). I don’t think Mirage qualifies, but I was hoping for a complete set of the original Autobot team with updated/stylized/non-80s vehicle modes. Hasbro, I was prepared to spend a lot more. Not getting Sunstreaker in the same line as his brother(s) was especially disappointing.

I think Sideswipe/Red Alert were the least 'Cybertronian' and were going flat out into the realm of retro-futuristic concept sport car, meaning that mold will look just fine next to the Earthrise figures. Double so with Reprolabels. I have to assume that, due to his very iconic car design they had to take more liberties to get around licensing which is how we ended up with a Sideswipe who both look exactly the part and yet is clearly not a Countach. But it definitely has the same overall shape and vibe of a Lamborghini.

Edit: Oh, right. Forgot Hound. He's clearly also a retro futuristic Jeep...without looking like a Jeep due to car licenses. So he's another one that won't look out of place. Its futuristic-ish enough to gloss over as 'Cybertronian' if one wish or it can be glossed over as 'royalties-free retro futuristic Earth mode'.

Personally i'm not too mad, if disappointed overall. That said I still think Siege and Earthrise won't look visually jarring next to each others. Beside, most of my collection is TR, meaning I've got a LOT of futuristic vehicles in there to the point I'm not bothered by Siege designs.

Of course I'm also a weirdo when it come to tastes, so take with a grain of salt.

A lot of people are thinking of replacing their Titans Return Astrotrain with Siege Astrotrain, since that one has alt modes closer to the cartoon. However, that simple swap may not be so simple, when thinking of how all three Decepticon triple changers, which we got in Titans return, match up in height. We got a good in hand look at Siege Astrotrain in the unboxing images we published earlier today, but now we have a comparison image of this Astrotrain next to Takara's version of Titans Return Astrotrain. It comes to us from a fan named Ryan over at Cybertron Philippines. Remember that Astrotrain can be given some platform shoes to stand slightly taller and reach 7 inches (photo shown below as well).

Wow, that is quite the difference there. I'm still probably going to replace TR Astrotrain with Siege Astrotrain. The TR version is just a boring mold to me.

william-james88 wrote:A lot of people are thinking of replacing their Titans Return Astrotrain with Siege Astrotrain, since that one has alt modes closer to the cartoon. However, that simple swap may not be so simple, when thinking of how all three Decepticon triple changers, which we got in Titans return, match up in height. We got a good in hand look at Siege Astrotrain in the unboxing images we published earlier today, but now we have a comparison image of this Astrotrain next to Takara's version of Titans Return Astrotrain. It comes to us from a fan named Ryan over at Cybertron Philippines. Remember that Astrotrain can be given some platform shoes to stand slightly taller and reach 7 inches (photo shown below as well).

I.... I really could have done without knowing this.....

Well, uh, hm, I wanted Astrotrain but...I'm probably still going to get him but uh, yeah, hmmm...

This is the only siege leader I have concerns with the size

Yeah I'm waiting for a bit of a sale. I want him for the train mode but wow he is really short

I have the Legends version and had wanted the Siege version, but ... huh. Shorter and has a questionable shuttle mode.

But I do like the bot mode better.

Hm.

I'm probably going to wait for a sale. I'm not that concerned with cartoon accuracy, but I've always loved steam trains, and I do like the spaceship mode. But I already struggle to justify the $50 for the regular leader class figures, so a figure like Astrotrain that isn't that big, doesn't have too many fun gimmicks, and ends up shorter than a voyager from Titans Return doesn't have much of a chance of me getting him at full price.

Though, now I'm concerned about Apeface's height because Astrotrain looks to be a head taller than him, but Siege's Astrotrain is a head shorter than TR Astrotrain... Though, I do admit I never handled the TR Astrotrain mold before, so I don't know if it's taller than the average voyager or not

Sentinel_Primal wrote:Though, I do admit I never handled the TR Astrotrain mold before, so I don't know if it's taller than the average voyager or not

It always felt rather standard to me.

Just cancelled my Pulse preorder for Astrotrain. The train looks great but that bot mode being so short, even with the lifts, doesn't justify the price tag; in my eyes. i will also keep my eye out for a holiday sale for him and see how low it can go.

Huh... guess I'll be waiting for a sale then. I was expecting him to be at least the same size as the TR mold if not bigger. Everything else about him looks phenomenal but that size... eesh.

Easy for me I will keep my pre-order for Siege Astrotrain, it's perfect!

Well, at least that means that Titans Return Sentinel Prime will remain one of the taller figures in my Siege collection.

SIEGE Leader Class Astrotrain is the Astrotrain for which I've been waiting. He's awesome. He's not 100% perfect. But what Triple Changer is for that matter? He's bulky and very heavy for a "Voyager Class" sized figure. He makes up for lack of height with bulk. The Titans Return Astrotrain was not bulky, was too thin (depth-wise), and was too tall for Astrotrain. The overall toy, including all of his accessories, weighs 10.3 ounces. By comparison, Legends Leader Class Overlord weighs 11.3 ounces and Titans Return Voyager Class Astrotrain weighs 5.7 ounces.

Seibertron.com gallery of Astrotrain will be posted late tomorrow or Wednesday.

Seibertron wrote:Seibertron.com gallery of Astrotrain will be posted late tomorrow or Wednesday.

WOO WOO!!

Emerje wrote:

Sideswipe G-Win wrote:Is anyone else unhappy that the Cybertronian look was just dropped in favour of Earth modes? I'm all G1 and I love the new reveals for Earthrise, but I'm really bummed out that most of the G1 Autobot roster won't be finished in the Cybetronian forms. Has there been any word on this from Hasbro? (I'm new, so please no flame-blasts for my not being up to date!)

The way things are going I'm guessing the third part will be movie based or later meaning a return to Cybertronian/futuristic alt modes. Whether they did Earthrise now or as the third part with some planet hopping in between they were always going to do Earth based line as part of the trilogy. And really, was anyone expecting mini Masterpieces? I'm very happy with the progression of War for Cybertron.

Emerje

hopefully Earthrise will give us sunstreaker and jazz

Wow, he really is small. But Seibertron main dude said he's going to be bulky.

Will get him, and will not replace Titans Return Astrotrain, I got the Hasbro "white" one and love that star-train battleship thing he has. The shuttle mode is also great. Will have to give him a new name. So will be having them both.

I really like that Titans Return mold, Zeta (or Sentinel, for got which one) Prime version is actually one of my fav's. He's easy to transform, great articulation and cool shuttle and battleship mode.

I think they're going to leave Jazz alone for a bit, since he has a Power of the Primes figure.

Hoping for an Earth Rise Bumblebee deluxe sized (with a little addon like Classics 1.0 so the bot himself can be a bit smaller)

Everything Earthrise looks amazing, I was already blown away by Siege but man... they're upping the game even further. That Optimus is pure love, Grapple looks 10/10. Just unpacked Prowl, omg man his transformation... Will get Smokescreen/Silverstreak/Barricade. The lot, all of 'm! Room isn't full yet!

william-james88 wrote:Remember that Astrotrain can be given some platform shoes

Booka-looka-looka-luge.

Sorry I couldn't find the clip.

william-james88 wrote:A lot of people are thinking of replacing their Titans Return Astrotrain with Siege Astrotrain, since that one has alt modes closer to the cartoon. However, that simple swap may not be so simple, when thinking of how all three Decepticon triple changers, which we got in Titans return, match up in height. We got a good in hand look at Siege Astrotrain in the unboxing images we published earlier today, but now we have a comparison image of this Astrotrain next to Takara's version of Titans Return Astrotrain. It comes to us from a fan named Ryan over at Cybertron Philippines. Remember that Astrotrain can be given some platform shoes to stand slightly taller and reach 7 inches (photo shown below as well).

Can I ask the post and story be updated with at least the original FB post and proper credit? Link here: https://www.facebook.com/groups/cybertr ... 025145320/

I think if Astrotrain is one of your favorite characters than the Siege Earthrise mold is what you want. If all you're concerned about is height then yeah TR has that...but it you know what else it has? A titan master head that hides in the back of the ship where there is a carrier style conning tower between 2 tail fins, meanwhile there's an unused space shuttle bridge in the front. Its got lifting body wings providing no lift because directly underneeth are untransformed arms; arms that have battleship cannons. The bot mode has huge feet and a tiny head. Its a mess.

You what it doesn't have? Ankle rockers a real trane mode etc.

People are forgetting that TR Astrotrain is also rather large for a Voyager within that line.



The Siege figure also comes with a box of weapons that serve triple purposes as a train car, launch pad, and armor. By now we should be used to Leaders being Voyagers with extra gear. Siege Astrotrain is really no different from Shockwave.

Emerje

Emerje wrote:People are forgetting that TR Astrotrain is also rather large for a Voyager within that line.



The Siege figure also comes with a box of weapons that serve triple purposes as a train car, launch pad, and armor. By now we should be used to Leaders being Voyagers with extra gear. Siege Astrotrain is really no different from Shockwave.

Emerje

Shockwave was over priced as well.

And remember people, this is a “leader class” figure sold for $50. Yeah it comes with more accessories that can make it slightly taller, but this is a $50 figure compared to a $25 figure.

Siege astrotrain is an easy skip, on the bright side I might be able to get a takara astrotrain cheap to go with the Hasbro TR one. I might pick the siege one up if it ever hits deluxe pricing just for the train mode.

So Titans Return is basically the same height as Siege Optimus Prime and Megatron.

cruizerdave wrote:And remember people, this is a “leader class” figure sold for $50. Yeah it comes with more accessories that can make it slightly taller, but this is a $50 figure compared to a $25 figure.

And it also weighs more and is much more solid then the voyager. Height isn't anything.

cruizerdave wrote:And remember people, this is a “leader class” figure sold for $50. Yeah it comes with more accessories that can make it slightly taller, but this is a $50 figure compared to a $25 figure.

THIS.....One can argue about weight or how solid it is but I feel like this is just the beginning..prices will skyrocket...

Easy pass for me just as Shockwave...even if there are more accessories....he is still just a 50 buck voyager class...

NTESHFT wrote:

cruizerdave wrote:And remember people, this is a “leader class” figure sold for $50. Yeah it comes with more accessories that can make it slightly taller, but this is a $50 figure compared to a $25 figure.

THIS.....One can argue about weight or how solid it is but I feel like this is just the beginning..prices will skyrocket...

Easy pass for me just as Shockwave...even if there are more accessories....he is still just a 50 buck voyager class...

By that reckoning, so are Ultra Magnus and Galaxy Upgrade Optimus Prime.

Again, there's more to the size class then just height. Otherwise you may as well complain that voyagers now aren't anything like they were back in the Cybertron line

ZeroWolf wrote:Again, there's more to the size class then just height. Otherwise you may as well complain that voyagers now aren't anything like they were back in the Cybertron line

Agreed. Not with the Cybertron part (because I didn't collect those), but the overall point.

I choose Cybertron because if I remember right, that's where the class designation originated.

sol magnus wrote:

NTESHFT wrote:

cruizerdave wrote:And remember people, this is a “leader class” figure sold for $50. Yeah it comes with more accessories that can make it slightly taller, but this is a $50 figure compared to a $25 figure.

THIS.....One can argue about weight or how solid it is but I feel like this is just the beginning..prices will skyrocket...

Easy pass for me just as Shockwave...even if there are more accessories....he is still just a 50 buck voyager class...

By that reckoning, so are Ultra Magnus and Galaxy Upgrade Optimus Prime.

Good point....but Prime and Magnus have almost always had that gimmick when it came to being a leader class...they still made me feel like I was getting a leader class figure....Siege Astrtrain and Shockwave don't have that effect, at least to me, if that makes any sense to you...

I think my main gripe about this is I'm worried that we will be paying 30 for deluxe, 50 for Voyager and 60 to 65 for leader class...I mean just look at how much the MP line has went up in such a short period of time. I hate that because it pretty much has knocked me out of getting them and I worry that the rest of the TF line will follow suit.

sol magnus wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:Again, there's more to the size class then just height. Otherwise you may as well complain that voyagers now aren't anything like they were back in the Cybertron line

Agreed. Not with the Cybertron part (because I didn't collect those), but the overall point.

Another good point....for me, I just feel like Astrotrain and Shockwave are missing something to give me the leader class feel....it's not necessarily the height....I just can't put my finger on what it is....

Wish it wasn't so small

NTESHFT wrote:I think my main gripe about this is I'm worried that we will be paying 30 for deluxe, 50 for Voyager and 60 to 65 for leader class...I mean just look at how much the MP line has went up in such a short period of time. I hate that because it pretty much has knocked me out of getting them and I worry that the rest of the TF line will follow suit.

I think those are 2 very different cases though. MP's are strictly marketed to adult collectors. The main generations line is marketed to both collectors and kids. It is going to be hard for them to push deluxe/voyager/leader much higher than $20/$30/$50 and still pull in enough kids and casual fans to make the numbers work out.

TF-fan kev777 wrote:

NTESHFT wrote:I think my main gripe about this is I'm worried that we will be paying 30 for deluxe, 50 for Voyager and 60 to 65 for leader class...I mean just look at how much the MP line has went up in such a short period of time. I hate that because it pretty much has knocked me out of getting them and I worry that the rest of the TF line will follow suit.

I think those are 2 very different cases though. MP's are strictly marketed to adult collectors. The main generations line is marketed to both collectors and kids. It is going to be hard for them to push deluxe/voyager/leader much higher than $20/$30/$50 and still pull in enough kids and casual fans to make the numbers work out.

I think this is spot on.

NTESHFT wrote:

sol magnus wrote:

NTESHFT wrote:

cruizerdave wrote:And remember people, this is a “leader class” figure sold for $50. Yeah it comes with more accessories that can make it slightly taller, but this is a $50 figure compared to a $25 figure.

THIS.....One can argue about weight or how solid it is but I feel like this is just the beginning..prices will skyrocket...

Easy pass for me just as Shockwave...even if there are more accessories....he is still just a 50 buck voyager class...

By that reckoning, so are Ultra Magnus and Galaxy Upgrade Optimus Prime.

Good point....but Prime and Magnus have almost always had that gimmick when it came to being a leader class...they still made me feel like I was getting a leader class figure....Siege Astrtrain and Shockwave don't have that effect, at least to me, if that makes any sense to you...

I think my main gripe about this is I'm worried that we will be paying 30 for deluxe, 50 for Voyager and 60 to 65 for leader class...I mean just look at how much the MP line has went up in such a short period of time. I hate that because it pretty much has knocked me out of getting them and I worry that the rest of the TF line will follow suit.

I get what you're saying but prices always go up as the prices hasbro pay go up as well, and they have to maintain their profit margin. There's other factors as well, like how many slots they have for Voyagers, and they get full, how to handle characters like Shockwave who needs to scale?

Scale is part of the problem but its just a reaction to all the fans who have been asking for it and complaining before.