IDW Transformers Vs. Visionaries #5 Review
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A Somewhat Spoilerish Seibertron.com Review of IDW's Transformers Vs. Visionaries #5
Synopsis
The final fate of Cybertron! Leoric and the drill team, on a mission to stop the destruction of the planet, reach the core—only to be met by Virulina and her Darkling Lords! Now, the two sides are locked in a final battle to determine whether Cybertron sees tomorrow. Everything comes to a head in this thrilling conclusion!
Story
Well it's finally the end, the fate of the Transformers homeworld is at stake(again...) thanks to an alien race, and once again it feels like a disappointment. This has been done, been there, done that, it's how we even got to this story. It was an attack on Cybertron's core from First Strike that got us to this point (that and some very bad editing decisions made between the 2, looking at you New Prysmos forcefield) and it is another attack here that finally ends the series. And it is thanks to that first attack that the final attack of the current IDW run (Unicron) will occur.
To be honest, these series should have had potential, but it just floundered it. The Visionaries are a not overly well known group of characters from a single season TV show back in the 1980's. With so few people even knowing what they are, you need to capture the attention of the readers looking for new characters to love. And this series did not do that.
There were many chances to try, but nothing ever caught on. Killing Kup in issue 1 certainly did not help, especially with how good he had been in the crossovers. Let's face it: he was the Crossover go-to Bot, and you killed him. It didn't help that some of the Bot's personalities in this were a bit wonky too.
And it most certainly didn't help that the Visionaries themselves were all over the board, not overly lovable or consistent. We had a character who was a good guy apparently actually be a traitor, yet he was tortured by the bad guy despite being a bad guy too? See, hard to reason.
I was also not a fan of the way the final bit of the series panned out. Leoric finally decides to become the spokesperson, the guy everyone rallies around, and it felt flat. He didn't do anything. We do get to see on the way too rare transformations from Visionary Bipedal to magic totem animal, but even then it doesn't last, and Virulina never uses her totem. I think only like 3 guys actually used their animal shape-shifting powers or something? They were that rare.
And then of course it turns out that Virulina and Leoric were actually meant to do this so another bad can use them both to ensure a proper future. Yeah, sure.
Meanwhile, the battle of the core, the thing advertised in the Synopsis, wasn't really a thing. It was disappointing. Only 2 of the big names were even there, and they weren't even the 2 big names. And of course in a story based around magic, everything comes down to magic, but in this case it was not clever magic. The whole series revolved around magic, and not once did it ever really feel "magical" and instead feeling like "not overly good writing and not really understanding how to make this work." The parts about helping each other and actually getting along felt quite forced in this area too, as did the ones at the very end.
But in short, the story didn't satisfy anything, and it was a disappointing return for the Visionaries.
Art
Art for the story was once more taken on by Fico Ossio with colors by David Garcia Cruz and lettered by Shawn Lee. The art is the part of the book that sort of pulls it back a hair, seeing as how Ossio's art is fairly good, with some interesting stylizations. I am particularly fond of his Leoric and Virulina, and most of the visionaries. The shame is the one Visionary I do like, Galadria, is the one that really isn't drawn well. Her facial expressions just aren't that good.
The Transformers do suffer some in the art department as well, with Ossio being better with organic looking beings than mechanical. Again, it's the faces that really don't look that good.
The colors are pretty good as well, especially with the scenery. But again, the bots feel flat and suffer some. Which is a shame considering the Visionaries and the scenery do actually appear decent.
Final Thoughts
Honestly, this series didn't do it for me at all. There really wasn't a lot going for it from stage one, and it never overcame that first bump. It's a series that should have done better, and had the potential cool factor of shape shifting humanoids who can turn into magical animals and who are basically wizards, but squandered it. I wish the series could have been handled better, or had occurred at a better time or using a different set of circumstances. All the past year or 2 have been are Cybertronians being threatened in Crossovers, with Cybertron itself being the center of the past 2 and will be center stage for the final one. The story really needed a different story set away from Cybertron, or set in the past, much like ROM vs. Transformers, itself a great series. And it needed more likable characters.
It needed the hook, and never presented one. And again I say what a shame that is.
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Posted by ScottyP on May 2nd, 2018 @ 9:40pm CDT
That's all I've got to say about this one forever. On to Unicron!
Posted by Sunstar on May 2nd, 2018 @ 9:52pm CDT
Posted by Sabrewing on May 3rd, 2018 @ 4:38am CDT
Posted by ScottyP on May 3rd, 2018 @ 7:34am CDT
Perfect postSabrewing wrote:The name was very ironic given that whoever thought this was a good idea was apparently blind.
Posted by Rodimus Knight on May 3rd, 2018 @ 9:47am CDT
It seems like this is a series that would have done better to start outside of transformers and developed their world and characters before throwing them in with the Transformers Cannon Fodder, I mean Transformers characters.
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on May 3rd, 2018 @ 1:40pm CDT
Posted by ZeroWolf on May 3rd, 2018 @ 3:02pm CDT
Posted by Seibertron on May 8th, 2018 @ 2:31am CDT
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Just to pick up on a point from the review. So the Visionaries - Knights of the Magical Light (the full title, FYI) rarely use their central gimmick? Who approved this????
Kind of like how rarely Transformers transform in IDW comics?
Posted by Rodimus Knight on May 8th, 2018 @ 7:26am CDT
Seibertron wrote:AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Just to pick up on a point from the review. So the Visionaries - Knights of the Magical Light (the full title, FYI) rarely use their central gimmick? Who approved this????
Kind of like how rarely Transformers transform in IDW comics?
Well you know, it's too much of an effort to draw transforming Transformers.
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on May 8th, 2018 @ 9:40am CDT
Rodimus Knight wrote:Seibertron wrote:AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Just to pick up on a point from the review. So the Visionaries - Knights of the Magical Light (the full title, FYI) rarely use their central gimmick? Who approved this????
Kind of like how rarely Transformers transform in IDW comics?
Well you know, it's too much of an effort to draw transforming Transformers.
Touché on both counts
I have noticed, reading the post-DoOP series through the part work, how little people seem to be bothered to show altmodes, beyond scene transitions. Gets in the way of all those Talking Heads and Guffaws, I suppose.
Posted by ZeroWolf on May 8th, 2018 @ 11:04am CDT
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on May 8th, 2018 @ 11:09am CDT
Posted by ScottyP on May 8th, 2018 @ 11:57am CDT
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on May 8th, 2018 @ 12:01pm CDT
Posted by ZeroWolf on May 8th, 2018 @ 12:07pm CDT
End of the day it's not bothered me at all. I've seen them use the alt modes and it was fine.
Saying that, i'd be surprised if furman wrote any of his stuff with transformations in mind, plot would have definitely came first.
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on May 8th, 2018 @ 12:18pm CDT
You could argue this is related to the reasons for the reset, given it's symptomatic of a divergence from the source material not enough fans were onboard with? In equal measure, why this reimaging of Visionaries failed to garner interest.
Posted by Rodimus Knight on May 8th, 2018 @ 12:24pm CDT
ScottyP wrote:The only time it bugs me is when characters that could drive or fly run towards their destination instead. I think the answer to the rest is just authors focusing on making a good story first. I could argue the point further but I think it's probably futile.
I would like this argument more, if you know, the stories were good.
Posted by ZeroWolf on May 8th, 2018 @ 12:44pm CDT
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:But the characters are their altmodes. It's literally their defining visual trait. In most continuities, Prime/Ultra Magnus/Motormaster are trucks, Dinobots are Techno-dinosaurs etc etc You can't ignore an association so blatant and synonymous without betraying the integrating of the series you are writing for. EG TMNT without them being Turtles, Visionaries without Magic Totems and Staffs
You could argue this is related to the reasons for the reset, given it's symptomatic of a divergence from the source material not enough fans were onboard with? In equal measure, why this reimaging of Visionaries failed to garner interest.
The remaking of visionaries failed on a story level and for a small number of people, on a visual level. I loved the new look, especially leoric. Also I don't care about the Totems as it was a silly gimmick anyway.
End of the day, we should want these characters to be more than these gimmicks. If you're happy with that then I guess that's your prerogative but it's not mine.
RodimusKnight@ actually what Scotty said was correct. The fact is that the writers were trying to do the best story they could do. It was up to us as readers to determine if they succeeded or not. Even then it's opinions vs opinions. I liked the majority of idw output, that's my opinion. Others may agree and some certainly disagree but it's all subjective end of the day.
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on May 8th, 2018 @ 3:00pm CDT
ZeroWolf wrote:End of the day, we should want these characters to be more than these gimmicks. If you're happy with that then I guess that's your prerogative but it's not mine.
If you are writing about Transformers that don't transform, you're not writing Transformers. The gimmick is their foundation it's what any writer worth their salt builds their vision upon.
Going back to an earlier example, if you're reading TMNT, wherein they aren't Turtles or Ninjas, you as the fan and/or reader deserve better. A more capable writer that understands what is required of a licensed series.
Visionaries, much like Transformers, take their very name from their gimmick. That is how central a concept it should be. Without the totems, this Versus series was and is just bad, Mad Max cosplay without merit or substance.
Posted by ZeroWolf on May 9th, 2018 @ 4:39am CDT
Posted by ScottyP on May 9th, 2018 @ 8:20am CDT
That's why I didn't really press it further, I think folks that like the stories just see a lack of super frequent transformations as a minor annoyance while those that don't use it to throw fuel on a hate-fire that I can't extinguish. Lots of folks are, for various reasons, apparently just done with this iteration of Transformers. That's fine. But I don't think "they don't transform enough" did that for anyone. I can't think of any comics iteration of Transformers that had the characters transforming back and forth constantly.Rodimus Knight wrote:ScottyP wrote:The only time it bugs me is when characters that could drive or fly run towards their destination instead. I think the answer to the rest is just authors focusing on making a good story first. I could argue the point further but I think it's probably futile.
I would like this argument more, if you know, the stories were good.
Anyway, I gotta start moving on and not responding when I see the folks pissing on the grave site for IDW's Transformers
Posted by ZeroWolf on May 9th, 2018 @ 8:45am CDT
ScottyP wrote:That's why I didn't really press it further, I think folks that like the stories just see a lack of super frequent transformations as a minor annoyance while those that don't use it to throw fuel on a hate-fire that I can't extinguish. Lots of folks are, for various reasons, apparently just done with this iteration of Transformers. That's fine. But I don't think "they don't transform enough" did that for anyone. I can't think of any comics iteration of Transformers that had the characters transforming back and forth constantly.Rodimus Knight wrote:ScottyP wrote:The only time it bugs me is when characters that could drive or fly run towards their destination instead. I think the answer to the rest is just authors focusing on making a good story first. I could argue the point further but I think it's probably futile.
I would like this argument more, if you know, the stories were good.
Anyway, I gotta start moving on and not responding when I see the folks pissing on the grave site for IDW's Transformers
I think I have to start doing that as well. Though I'm sure some of them will find things to complain about in the new idw era.
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on May 9th, 2018 @ 9:01am CDT
ZeroWolf wrote:Come on, we both know that the Totems wouldn't have saved this series. The flaws go much deeper than that.
No, of course not. But it would have shown an ounce of integrity. Clearly Hasbro didn't care about this beyond cashing in on a revival, nor did the writer.
Reimaginings "work" when people are at least familiar with the source material in the first place.
The lack of Totems, Medieval armour and appreciation for the time period the series was based around, show the writer had less understanding of what they were writing about than Michael Bay did with Transformers.
Instead, you get some half-baked nonsense, that could be anything apart from Visionaries, with the clearly ripped-off visual aesthetic of Fury Road.
I'm not saying there even would be someone else out there that would do Visionaries "justice", but if they have at least seen it before, their understanding would probably be more insightful.
ZeroWolf wrote: Also, the transformers do transform in the series, I thought it was the right amount (other people's opinions may vary). I don't want panels wasted because people think they need more shots of alt modes. If an alt mode scene is unnecessary then cut it. If they transform for the sake of it, cut it. Transformations should always serve the plot, to the point where if they interfere with it, drop them. I don't read Transformers just to see them transform, nor does it bother me if they don't. I read Transformers because I like the characters and want to see what's going on, in times of peace and (because we all know that the new continuity will be set either at the start of the war or during) in times of war.
Scene specific characters.
If you have an issue revolving around Grimlock and Shockwave, Clearly we all just want Talking Heads, expressing their feelings
Example 2: Kup is fleeing across a Cybertronian highway, trying to escape a rampaging Trypticon. So let's have him run on foot, occasionally falling over and taking breaks to wheeze, because he is sooo old >Insert Guffaws<
They are literal machines of War, altmodes should be front and centre in action sequences and the like. EG Prime's most impressive moment in The Movie? Plowing through the Decepticon ranks as a trukk.
This is what I am getting at. Being what they are, Transformers are capable in all media of extremely dynamic action and set pieces. Make the most of it! Don't just have punches and pew pews. Everyone else can already do that.
Posted by ZeroWolf on May 9th, 2018 @ 9:48am CDT
I think we may have exhausted all the there is to say about the visionaries at this junction. The aspects you like are ones that I find generic and a little bit he man esq (just a fair few years late) the aspects of this that I like you think disrespect what has come before. I must say though, the original line must have had an impact for you to care this much about it when most others just shrugged their shoulders.
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on May 9th, 2018 @ 10:08am CDT
ZeroWolf wrote:I must say though, the original line must have had an impact for you to care this much about it when most others just shrugged their shoulders.
It didn't, oddly enough I cared more about the Totems and magical concepts behind Visionaries than the characters themselves. But, this was their chance to sell Visionaries to a new generation of fans, as something almost entirely new. They opted to cash-in on a bygone name with a bastardised remit. The end result was never in doubt.
You missed the point of my Movie example, so I'll leave that there.
Transformers interests me when it sells itself on it's own uniqueness. The themes you're interested in are explored and available everywhere, in everything and usually to better effect too. They safe and easy, pedestrian avenues for a writer to cover. It doesn't take much talent or effort to stick to the path of least resistance.
To me, IDWverse peaked with Last Stand of The Wreckers. That ticks every box on what a Transformers story can and should be. I don't see anything overtly generic in that. Whereas what I've read of MTMTE/LL and RiD, I can't not see it.
Posted by ZeroWolf on May 9th, 2018 @ 11:42am CDT
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on May 9th, 2018 @ 1:03pm CDT
As we all know, Visionaries was not that big. It was no TMNT or Thundercats. They could easily have re-released 1987 Visionaries again in 2018, modernised the dialogue and few would have been any the wiser. That surely would have made money for even less effort
Posted by ZeroWolf on May 9th, 2018 @ 2:01pm CDT
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on May 9th, 2018 @ 2:04pm CDT
Posted by ZeroWolf on May 9th, 2018 @ 2:52pm CDT
Posted by Big Grim on May 10th, 2018 @ 9:55am CDT
Posted by Mixsound on June 26th, 2018 @ 10:31pm CDT
Little forces of Bot-tron, eh... even if there's such a thing... let's go to the staffing polls!"
Posted by Mixsound on July 10th, 2018 @ 1:36pm CDT