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IDW Transformers Vs. Visionaries #5 Review

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And Then There Was Nothing
A Somewhat Spoilerish Seibertron.com Review of IDW's Transformers Vs. Visionaries #5


Synopsis

The final fate of Cybertron! Leoric and the drill team, on a mission to stop the destruction of the planet, reach the core—only to be met by Virulina and her Darkling Lords! Now, the two sides are locked in a final battle to determine whether Cybertron sees tomorrow. Everything comes to a head in this thrilling conclusion!


Transformers News: IDW Transformers Vs. Visionaries #5 Review
Witterquick has totally heard this noise before


Story

Well it's finally the end, the fate of the Transformers homeworld is at stake(again...) thanks to an alien race, and once again it feels like a disappointment. This has been done, been there, done that, it's how we even got to this story. It was an attack on Cybertron's core from First Strike that got us to this point (that and some very bad editing decisions made between the 2, looking at you New Prysmos forcefield) and it is another attack here that finally ends the series. And it is thanks to that first attack that the final attack of the current IDW run (Unicron) will occur.

To be honest, these series should have had potential, but it just floundered it. The Visionaries are a not overly well known group of characters from a single season TV show back in the 1980's. With so few people even knowing what they are, you need to capture the attention of the readers looking for new characters to love. And this series did not do that.

Transformers News: IDW Transformers Vs. Visionaries #5 Review
Pictured: characters aware they really haven't helped themselves to be popular


There were many chances to try, but nothing ever caught on. Killing Kup in issue 1 certainly did not help, especially with how good he had been in the crossovers. Let's face it: he was the Crossover go-to Bot, and you killed him. It didn't help that some of the Bot's personalities in this were a bit wonky too.

And it most certainly didn't help that the Visionaries themselves were all over the board, not overly lovable or consistent. We had a character who was a good guy apparently actually be a traitor, yet he was tortured by the bad guy despite being a bad guy too? See, hard to reason.

Transformers News: IDW Transformers Vs. Visionaries #5 Review
Pictured: a villain who did little to be anything more than hated


I was also not a fan of the way the final bit of the series panned out. Leoric finally decides to become the spokesperson, the guy everyone rallies around, and it felt flat. He didn't do anything. We do get to see on the way too rare transformations from Visionary Bipedal to magic totem animal, but even then it doesn't last, and Virulina never uses her totem. I think only like 3 guys actually used their animal shape-shifting powers or something? They were that rare.

And then of course it turns out that Virulina and Leoric were actually meant to do this so another bad can use them both to ensure a proper future. Yeah, sure.

Meanwhile, the battle of the core, the thing advertised in the Synopsis, wasn't really a thing. It was disappointing. Only 2 of the big names were even there, and they weren't even the 2 big names. And of course in a story based around magic, everything comes down to magic, but in this case it was not clever magic. The whole series revolved around magic, and not once did it ever really feel "magical" and instead feeling like "not overly good writing and not really understanding how to make this work." The parts about helping each other and actually getting along felt quite forced in this area too, as did the ones at the very end.

Transformers News: IDW Transformers Vs. Visionaries #5 Review
Pictured: a well loved character that is sort of just here


But in short, the story didn't satisfy anything, and it was a disappointing return for the Visionaries.

Art

Art for the story was once more taken on by Fico Ossio with colors by David Garcia Cruz and lettered by Shawn Lee. The art is the part of the book that sort of pulls it back a hair, seeing as how Ossio's art is fairly good, with some interesting stylizations. I am particularly fond of his Leoric and Virulina, and most of the visionaries. The shame is the one Visionary I do like, Galadria, is the one that really isn't drawn well. Her facial expressions just aren't that good.

Transformers News: IDW Transformers Vs. Visionaries #5 Review
She really wishes Ironhide would have spared himself and stayed in a different book


The Transformers do suffer some in the art department as well, with Ossio being better with organic looking beings than mechanical. Again, it's the faces that really don't look that good.

The colors are pretty good as well, especially with the scenery. But again, the bots feel flat and suffer some. Which is a shame considering the Visionaries and the scenery do actually appear decent.

Transformers News: IDW Transformers Vs. Visionaries #5 Review
Pictured: 2 things I did like


Final Thoughts

Honestly, this series didn't do it for me at all. There really wasn't a lot going for it from stage one, and it never overcame that first bump. It's a series that should have done better, and had the potential cool factor of shape shifting humanoids who can turn into magical animals and who are basically wizards, but squandered it. I wish the series could have been handled better, or had occurred at a better time or using a different set of circumstances. All the past year or 2 have been are Cybertronians being threatened in Crossovers, with Cybertron itself being the center of the past 2 and will be center stage for the final one. The story really needed a different story set away from Cybertron, or set in the past, much like ROM vs. Transformers, itself a great series. And it needed more likable characters.

It needed the hook, and never presented one. And again I say what a shame that is.

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Re: IDW Transformers Vs. Visionaries #5 Review (1957397)
Posted by ScottyP on May 2nd, 2018 @ 9:40pm CDT
I'm ready to move on from this experiment. The final issue had some potential and just, I don't know what happened. Overbooked with nothingburger characters and a plot that, in the long run, looks to just plain not matter.

That's all I've got to say about this one forever. On to Unicron!
Re: IDW Transformers Vs. Visionaries #5 Review (1957402)
Posted by Sunstar on May 2nd, 2018 @ 9:52pm CDT
I will pick up hte 5th book on saturday (I would not have bought it but my husband picked up the other 4 two weeeks ago) I am glad to see the end of this dreadful series. The colours were nice, but I was not at all drawn in by the art or what they were doing. My only hope is Unicron eats them first.
Re: IDW Transformers Vs. Visionaries #5 Review (1957419)
Posted by Sabrewing on May 3rd, 2018 @ 4:38am CDT
The name was very ironic given that whoever thought this was a good idea was apparently blind.
Re: IDW Transformers Vs. Visionaries #5 Review (1957433)
Posted by ScottyP on May 3rd, 2018 @ 7:34am CDT
Sabrewing wrote:The name was very ironic given that whoever thought this was a good idea was apparently blind.
Perfect post :APPLAUSE:
Re: IDW Transformers Vs. Visionaries #5 Review (1957450)
Posted by Rodimus Knight on May 3rd, 2018 @ 9:47am CDT
I found the original Visionaries Cartoon online to watch, just haven't don it yet, but I'm still meaning to. The concept seems like it could be good though, but I have to agree that the follow through in this series is Awful. The character design are pretty bad too. The only one I even remotely liked is the Dolphin chick, whose name I can't even remember. Not that that matters, I can't remember any of the names.

It seems like this is a series that would have done better to start outside of transformers and developed their world and characters before throwing them in with the Transformers Cannon Fodder, I mean Transformers characters.
Re: IDW Transformers Vs. Visionaries #5 Review (1957490)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on May 3rd, 2018 @ 1:40pm CDT
Just to pick up on a point from the review. So the Visionaries - Knights of the Magical Light (the full title, FYI) rarely use their central gimmick? Who approved this????
Re: IDW Transformers Vs. Visionaries #5 Review (1957500)
Posted by ZeroWolf on May 3rd, 2018 @ 3:02pm CDT
Hasbro, which should illustrate that they don't care much about them.
Re: IDW Transformers Vs. Visionaries #5 Review (1958188)
Posted by Seibertron on May 8th, 2018 @ 2:31am CDT
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Just to pick up on a point from the review. So the Visionaries - Knights of the Magical Light (the full title, FYI) rarely use their central gimmick? Who approved this????


Kind of like how rarely Transformers transform in IDW comics?
Re: IDW Transformers Vs. Visionaries #5 Review (1958208)
Posted by Rodimus Knight on May 8th, 2018 @ 7:26am CDT
Seibertron wrote:
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Just to pick up on a point from the review. So the Visionaries - Knights of the Magical Light (the full title, FYI) rarely use their central gimmick? Who approved this????


Kind of like how rarely Transformers transform in IDW comics?


Well you know, it's too much of an effort to draw transforming Transformers.
Re: IDW Transformers Vs. Visionaries #5 Review (1958237)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on May 8th, 2018 @ 9:40am CDT
Rodimus Knight wrote:
Seibertron wrote:
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Just to pick up on a point from the review. So the Visionaries - Knights of the Magical Light (the full title, FYI) rarely use their central gimmick? Who approved this????


Kind of like how rarely Transformers transform in IDW comics?


Well you know, it's too much of an effort to draw transforming Transformers.



Image

Touché on both counts :APPLAUSE:
I have noticed, reading the post-DoOP series through the part work, how little people seem to be bothered to show altmodes, beyond scene transitions. Gets in the way of all those Talking Heads and Guffaws, I suppose.
Re: IDW Transformers Vs. Visionaries #5 Review (1958250)
Posted by ZeroWolf on May 8th, 2018 @ 11:04am CDT
Actually I think it's a question of when is an alt mode needed? If it comes to a scene, should you put an alt mode in just for the sake of having an alt mode? Id rather have an alt mode be there for a purpose. There name may be Transformers but it shouldn't come at the expense of the story.
Re: IDW Transformers Vs. Visionaries #5 Review (1958254)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on May 8th, 2018 @ 11:09am CDT
Not at the expense no, but it should be intrinsically linked to the story by default. For example, Devastation. When Sixshot arrives on Earth, that entire sequence is Transformers. In concept, execution and stakes. Likewise whenever Thunderwing shows up in Stormbringer. It's the core of what they are. If you are writing Transformers without transforming in mind, why are writing the series at all?
Re: IDW Transformers Vs. Visionaries #5 Review (1958272)
Posted by ScottyP on May 8th, 2018 @ 11:57am CDT
The only time it bugs me is when characters that could drive or fly run towards their destination instead. I think the answer to the rest is just authors focusing on making a good story first. I could argue the point further but I think it's probably futile.
Re: IDW Transformers Vs. Visionaries #5 Review (1958273)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on May 8th, 2018 @ 12:01pm CDT
Surely the authors should focus on making a good Transformers story. It would be like writing X-Men and never using Mutant powers. It's the primary gimmick of their world, how to apply it as organically as possible should be a primary consideration, in parallel to story ideas.
Re: IDW Transformers Vs. Visionaries #5 Review (1958274)
Posted by ZeroWolf on May 8th, 2018 @ 12:07pm CDT
Maybe they are writing it to tell a story about the characters? Nothing ventured, nothing gained after all. Hasbro don't seem to mind them not transforming much, and I doubt that was one of the reasons why idw decided to reset ;-) especially since adding more transformations in could have easily happened at the editoral level.

End of the day it's not bothered me at all. I've seen them use the alt modes and it was fine.

Saying that, i'd be surprised if furman wrote any of his stuff with transformations in mind, plot would have definitely came first.
Re: IDW Transformers Vs. Visionaries #5 Review (1958277)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on May 8th, 2018 @ 12:18pm CDT
But the characters are their altmodes. It's literally their defining visual trait. In most continuities, Prime/Ultra Magnus/Motormaster are trucks, Dinobots are Techno-dinosaurs etc etc You can't ignore an association so blatant and synonymous without betraying the integrating of the series you are writing for. EG TMNT without them being Turtles, Visionaries without Magic Totems and Staffs

You could argue this is related to the reasons for the reset, given it's symptomatic of a divergence from the source material not enough fans were onboard with? In equal measure, why this reimaging of Visionaries failed to garner interest.
Re: IDW Transformers Vs. Visionaries #5 Review (1958279)
Posted by Rodimus Knight on May 8th, 2018 @ 12:24pm CDT
ScottyP wrote:The only time it bugs me is when characters that could drive or fly run towards their destination instead. I think the answer to the rest is just authors focusing on making a good story first. I could argue the point further but I think it's probably futile.


I would like this argument more, if you know, the stories were good.
Re: IDW Transformers Vs. Visionaries #5 Review (1958282)
Posted by ZeroWolf on May 8th, 2018 @ 12:44pm CDT
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:But the characters are their altmodes. It's literally their defining visual trait. In most continuities, Prime/Ultra Magnus/Motormaster are trucks, Dinobots are Techno-dinosaurs etc etc You can't ignore an association so blatant and synonymous without betraying the integrating of the series you are writing for. EG TMNT without them being Turtles, Visionaries without Magic Totems and Staffs

You could argue this is related to the reasons for the reset, given it's symptomatic of a divergence from the source material not enough fans were onboard with? In equal measure, why this reimaging of Visionaries failed to garner interest.

The remaking of visionaries failed on a story level and for a small number of people, on a visual level. I loved the new look, especially leoric. Also I don't care about the Totems as it was a silly gimmick anyway.

End of the day, we should want these characters to be more than these gimmicks. If you're happy with that then I guess that's your prerogative but it's not mine.

RodimusKnight@ actually what Scotty said was correct. The fact is that the writers were trying to do the best story they could do. It was up to us as readers to determine if they succeeded or not. Even then it's opinions vs opinions. I liked the majority of idw output, that's my opinion. Others may agree and some certainly disagree but it's all subjective end of the day.
Re: IDW Transformers Vs. Visionaries #5 Review (1958304)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on May 8th, 2018 @ 3:00pm CDT
ZeroWolf wrote:End of the day, we should want these characters to be more than these gimmicks. If you're happy with that then I guess that's your prerogative but it's not mine.


If you are writing about Transformers that don't transform, you're not writing Transformers. The gimmick is their foundation it's what any writer worth their salt builds their vision upon.

Going back to an earlier example, if you're reading TMNT, wherein they aren't Turtles or Ninjas, you as the fan and/or reader deserve better. A more capable writer that understands what is required of a licensed series.

Visionaries, much like Transformers, take their very name from their gimmick. That is how central a concept it should be. Without the totems, this Versus series was and is just bad, Mad Max cosplay without merit or substance.
Re: IDW Transformers Vs. Visionaries #5 Review (1958388)
Posted by ZeroWolf on May 9th, 2018 @ 4:39am CDT
Come on, we both know that the Totems wouldn't have saved this series. The flaws go much deeper than that. Also, the transformers do transform in the series, I thought it was the right amount (other people's opinions may vary). I don't want panels wasted because people think they need more shots of alt modes. If an alt mode scene is unnecessary then cut it. If they transform for the sake of it, cut it. Transformations should always serve the plot, to the point where if they interfere with it, drop them. I don't read Transformers just to see them transform, nor does it bother me if they don't. I read Transformers because I like the characters and want to see what's going on, in times of peace and (because we all know that the new continuity will be set either at the start of the war or during) in times of war.
Re: IDW Transformers Vs. Visionaries #5 Review (1958407)
Posted by ScottyP on May 9th, 2018 @ 8:20am CDT
Rodimus Knight wrote:
ScottyP wrote:The only time it bugs me is when characters that could drive or fly run towards their destination instead. I think the answer to the rest is just authors focusing on making a good story first. I could argue the point further but I think it's probably futile.


I would like this argument more, if you know, the stories were good.
That's why I didn't really press it further, I think folks that like the stories just see a lack of super frequent transformations as a minor annoyance while those that don't use it to throw fuel on a hate-fire that I can't extinguish. Lots of folks are, for various reasons, apparently just done with this iteration of Transformers. That's fine. But I don't think "they don't transform enough" did that for anyone. I can't think of any comics iteration of Transformers that had the characters transforming back and forth constantly.

Anyway, I gotta start moving on and not responding when I see the folks pissing on the grave site for IDW's Transformers :)
Re: IDW Transformers Vs. Visionaries #5 Review (1958410)
Posted by ZeroWolf on May 9th, 2018 @ 8:45am CDT
ScottyP wrote:
Rodimus Knight wrote:
ScottyP wrote:The only time it bugs me is when characters that could drive or fly run towards their destination instead. I think the answer to the rest is just authors focusing on making a good story first. I could argue the point further but I think it's probably futile.


I would like this argument more, if you know, the stories were good.
That's why I didn't really press it further, I think folks that like the stories just see a lack of super frequent transformations as a minor annoyance while those that don't use it to throw fuel on a hate-fire that I can't extinguish. Lots of folks are, for various reasons, apparently just done with this iteration of Transformers. That's fine. But I don't think "they don't transform enough" did that for anyone. I can't think of any comics iteration of Transformers that had the characters transforming back and forth constantly.

Anyway, I gotta start moving on and not responding when I see the folks pissing on the grave site for IDW's Transformers :)

I think I have to start doing that as well. Though I'm sure some of them will find things to complain about in the new idw era.
Re: IDW Transformers Vs. Visionaries #5 Review (1958412)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on May 9th, 2018 @ 9:01am CDT
Personally, I had no problem with IDWverse at all, until AHM. Then when I reached my limit with DoOP, I simply tapped out without complaint, as that achieves nothing. I look forward to seeing what the next Gen of writers does with TF, hopefully as refreshing as when IDW first began.

ZeroWolf wrote:Come on, we both know that the Totems wouldn't have saved this series. The flaws go much deeper than that.


No, of course not. But it would have shown an ounce of integrity. Clearly Hasbro didn't care about this beyond cashing in on a revival, nor did the writer.

Reimaginings "work" when people are at least familiar with the source material in the first place.

The lack of Totems, Medieval armour and appreciation for the time period the series was based around, show the writer had less understanding of what they were writing about than Michael Bay did with Transformers.
Instead, you get some half-baked nonsense, that could be anything apart from Visionaries, with the clearly ripped-off visual aesthetic of Fury Road.
I'm not saying there even would be someone else out there that would do Visionaries "justice", but if they have at least seen it before, their understanding would probably be more insightful.

ZeroWolf wrote: Also, the transformers do transform in the series, I thought it was the right amount (other people's opinions may vary). I don't want panels wasted because people think they need more shots of alt modes. If an alt mode scene is unnecessary then cut it. If they transform for the sake of it, cut it. Transformations should always serve the plot, to the point where if they interfere with it, drop them. I don't read Transformers just to see them transform, nor does it bother me if they don't. I read Transformers because I like the characters and want to see what's going on, in times of peace and (because we all know that the new continuity will be set either at the start of the war or during) in times of war.


Scene specific characters.

If you have an issue revolving around Grimlock and Shockwave, Clearly we all just want Talking Heads, expressing their feelings :P

Example 2: Kup is fleeing across a Cybertronian highway, trying to escape a rampaging Trypticon. So let's have him run on foot, occasionally falling over and taking breaks to wheeze, because he is sooo old >Insert Guffaws<

They are literal machines of War, altmodes should be front and centre in action sequences and the like. EG Prime's most impressive moment in The Movie? Plowing through the Decepticon ranks as a trukk.
This is what I am getting at. Being what they are, Transformers are capable in all media of extremely dynamic action and set pieces. Make the most of it! Don't just have punches and pew pews. Everyone else can already do that.
Re: IDW Transformers Vs. Visionaries #5 Review (1958427)
Posted by ZeroWolf on May 9th, 2018 @ 9:48am CDT
You mean like megatron v prime was just punches and pew pews? I seem to recall immediately after running over some insecticons, Prime them transformed and shot his gun a lot. Megatron never transformed in his fight against prime once. Galvatron only transformed twice in the whole movie!

I think we may have exhausted all the there is to say about the visionaries at this junction. The aspects you like are ones that I find generic and a little bit he man esq (just a fair few years late) the aspects of this that I like you think disrespect what has come before. I must say though, the original line must have had an impact for you to care this much about it when most others just shrugged their shoulders.
Re: IDW Transformers Vs. Visionaries #5 Review (1958429)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on May 9th, 2018 @ 10:08am CDT
ZeroWolf wrote:I must say though, the original line must have had an impact for you to care this much about it when most others just shrugged their shoulders.



It didn't, oddly enough I cared more about the Totems and magical concepts behind Visionaries than the characters themselves. But, this was their chance to sell Visionaries to a new generation of fans, as something almost entirely new. They opted to cash-in on a bygone name with a bastardised remit. The end result was never in doubt.


You missed the point of my Movie example, so I'll leave that there.
Transformers interests me when it sells itself on it's own uniqueness. The themes you're interested in are explored and available everywhere, in everything and usually to better effect too. They safe and easy, pedestrian avenues for a writer to cover. It doesn't take much talent or effort to stick to the path of least resistance.

To me, IDWverse peaked with Last Stand of The Wreckers. That ticks every box on what a Transformers story can and should be. I don't see anything overtly generic in that. Whereas what I've read of MTMTE/LL and RiD, I can't not see it.
Re: IDW Transformers Vs. Visionaries #5 Review (1958450)
Posted by ZeroWolf on May 9th, 2018 @ 11:42am CDT
You can't blame their thinking though, it's easy to see that they would go back to the drawing board when it came to resurrecting it. Also let's not forget that end of the day, unicron us coming after the actions of one of the visionaries. Though I'm a bit annoyed that more wasn't done to enhance that connection, and I would have to loved to see their reaction when face to face with oblivion. I have a new theory on unicron which I must post in the other thread...
Re: IDW Transformers Vs. Visionaries #5 Review (1958467)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on May 9th, 2018 @ 1:03pm CDT
Surely it would have been easier just to ship the same thing again? The Sunbow episode in King Arthur's Court (the name escapes me), but with Visionaries, is such a no-brainer as to be the immediate mental image I had for this series when I first heard about it.
As we all know, Visionaries was not that big. It was no TMNT or Thundercats. They could easily have re-released 1987 Visionaries again in 2018, modernised the dialogue and few would have been any the wiser. That surely would have made money for even less effort :???:
Re: IDW Transformers Vs. Visionaries #5 Review (1958478)
Posted by ZeroWolf on May 9th, 2018 @ 2:01pm CDT
Well I'm guessing they wanted to avoid what they thought were the reasons it failed to break through. As for re-released, they should have just collected the old series (can't remember how long it ran for but I remember it was put as the backup strip in the g1 comics) and used that to gauge interest in a revival before they commissioned this. No need to change the dialogue at all. Or would it...wait...it would be another Rom situation wouldn't it, the old comics belongs to marvel so a deal would have to be struck to reprint it.
Re: IDW Transformers Vs. Visionaries #5 Review (1958479)
Posted by AllNewSuperRobot on May 9th, 2018 @ 2:04pm CDT
Interest definitely should have been gauged first. A one & done mini, existing in a vacuum, would have been a better alternative than this.
Re: IDW Transformers Vs. Visionaries #5 Review (1958488)
Posted by ZeroWolf on May 9th, 2018 @ 2:52pm CDT
Yeah keep the tfs out of it at first
Re: IDW Transformers Vs. Visionaries #5 Review (1958700)
Posted by Big Grim on May 10th, 2018 @ 9:55am CDT
Man, I just bought and read all 5 issues. Why the hell did I do that to myself? This really was a disgrace. I liked Leoric's redesign but the rest of this steaming pile is worthless. Good grief.
Re: IDW Transformers Vs. Visionaries #5 Review (1967050)
Posted by Mixsound on June 26th, 2018 @ 10:31pm CDT
Vaportrail & Mixsound to Kup: "That's one heck of a piece of sterling brilliance. Amazing!

Little forces of Bot-tron, eh... even if there's such a thing... let's go to the staffing polls!"
Re: IDW Transformers Vs. Visionaries #5 Review (1970106)
Posted by Mixsound on July 10th, 2018 @ 1:36pm CDT
Visionaries have two new recruits. An Female Visionary with the evil of a Wrathful Dragon. But there is a heroic male Visionary who has the power of the Falcon. I'd bet Visionaries may effect the Mini-Bots and the Mini-Cons quite formidably. Any Visionary.

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