IDW Transformers vs Visionaries #1 Sells Out at Distributor, Goes to Second Printing

Huh... well that is unexpected, although I do wonder how this will affect the comic with a now larger audience.

Va'al wrote:As for complaints (Ebonyleopard, I think) of not getting enough info on the Visionaries: I didn't see it that way at all, nor do I feel the need to have all the information given to me (especially not in the first issue of five). This is where my confidence in Visaggio and Ossio still lies, in that we'll get something more compelling as the mini-series continues.

So basically, they launch a comic featuring a franchise that hasn't been touched in a decade or two, isn't that well known, but they launch it with the assumption the majority of people will know the characters, so they're targeting existing fans of a virtually dead franchise, on the back of a popular franchise.

But it comes back to the point, we've been dumped into the middle of a story. The fact we have to wait and HOPE that there's some type of flashback to explain how the city and the rest of the Visionaries came to be, to me, doesn't sit well.

And then to say it sold out ... yeah, probably didn't do a large run to begin with.

I remember the Visionaries - well, I've been around for a LONG time of course. They could bring the toys back and make them cooler. Hologram technology has to have advanced somewhat since the 80s with those 2.5-D 'holograms' they used for the figures. The premise of the cartoon show tie-in wasn't bad. A world that used a lot of technology suddenly underwent some kind of change, where all the tech on Prysmos suddenly stopped working and only magic 'worked'. They called it the ending of 'the age of technology'. How exactly that worked was not explained (d'oy), but the premise was that suddenly technology was impotent, and magic was the only way to get power and privilege.

Though in the original iteration, all the Visionaries looked a LOT different than portrayed in this comic. Merklyn was not some young hip-hop punker dude, he was more a traditional 'wizard', with a white beard and a red robe, and was a powerful figure since he had a lot of magic (reason also not really explained). And voiced by the same guy who did the Kingpin in the Spider-Man animated series of the 90s. And Cin-Darr was voiced by Peter Cullen, while Cravex was voiced by 80s Starscream's voice actor. A lot of the old Transformer voice talent was there, because the same studios that worked on the Transformers worked on Visionaries too.

The premise can work for a tie-in with these comics - if the Visionaries carry the curious 'technology doesn't work around us for... reasons' mojo. It would mean all of Cybertron would be in trouble because they ARE technology. But I'd like to finally hear some kind of explanation for it...

Burn wrote:And then to say it sold out ... yeah, probably didn't do a large run to begin with.

Bingo! If they printed 5 copies (two of them for my stupid multicover order ugh) and three are still on the shelf at my LCS, it would still be "sold out" at the distributor level.

I guess I'm just upset that it seems folks may be willing to shell out for this crap while the comics with cool Transformers stories keep having sales declines.

Sunstar wrote:I'm not hooked enough to buy it. There is a comics website I read them on. If I find in later issues it was simply due to a slow start, I'll order back issues.

I'm a bit distressed about Kup though, really? Like that? I heave heard of ignominious deaths before, but Kup Deserved Better - and that's coming from a hard core Con-fan. It felt pointless - and maybe that was the point. Makes me glad Starscream is safely in prison - with the way they are killing off characters these days - makes me wonder how much longer the series will last. At least with the ROM Crossover, more or less some "Red Shirts" were sacrificed - and I genuinely enjoyed that story and Stardrive as well - I'm not interested enough to buy the ROM comics, but I would not be opposed to reading copies at a later date. I feel if any sacrifice was to be made it should have been some "nobodies".

As for the race swapping - I have no opinion on that. My experience with visionaries from before is that I know they exist - I have vague recollection of a cartoon - but I don't think I ever watched it. It never interested me then, and does not interest me now.

The colours, and I agree with Va'al's impression on that, was nice, but the faces - I really could not get over the faces - robots or otherwise. I guess, I got used to Sara's (I enjoyed her art immensely.)

Cybertron is almost always under catastrophic attack these days - I kinda wish they would get to have a bit of a breather - I hope the can eradicate their infestation of magical fleshies. The only Catastropic event I am really caring about is the Unicron one.

I have to admit, that now that TAAO is complete, and the character I follow is largely written out (here's hoping for a comback) - my interest in the series has diminished some. So I can identify to those who find popping off of characters, here, there and everywhere, as disappointing.

There are the other books I do follow and collect. I NEED to get the dinobots ones - one of these days. Anyway droning on...

:3

There is a bit of a bitter taste of "We lost TAOO, for this?"

Ebonyleopard wrote:

Sunstar wrote:I'm not hooked enough to buy it. There is a comics website I read them on. If I find in later issues it was simply due to a slow start, I'll order back issues.

I'm a bit distressed about Kup though, really? Like that? I heave heard of ignominious deaths before, but Kup Deserved Better - and that's coming from a hard core Con-fan. It felt pointless - and maybe that was the point. Makes me glad Starscream is safely in prison - with the way they are killing off characters these days - makes me wonder how much longer the series will last. At least with the ROM Crossover, more or less some "Red Shirts" were sacrificed - and I genuinely enjoyed that story and Stardrive as well - I'm not interested enough to buy the ROM comics, but I would not be opposed to reading copies at a later date. I feel if any sacrifice was to be made it should have been some "nobodies".

As for the race swapping - I have no opinion on that. My experience with visionaries from before is that I know they exist - I have vague recollection of a cartoon - but I don't think I ever watched it. It never interested me then, and does not interest me now.

The colours, and I agree with Va'al's impression on that, was nice, but the faces - I really could not get over the faces - robots or otherwise. I guess, I got used to Sara's (I enjoyed her art immensely.)

Cybertron is almost always under catastrophic attack these days - I kinda wish they would get to have a bit of a breather - I hope the can eradicate their infestation of magical fleshies. The only Catastropic event I am really caring about is the Unicron one.

I have to admit, that now that TAAO is complete, and the character I follow is largely written out (here's hoping for a comback) - my interest in the series has diminished some. So I can identify to those who find popping off of characters, here, there and everywhere, as disappointing.

There are the other books I do follow and collect. I NEED to get the dinobots ones - one of these days. Anyway droning on...

:3

There is a bit of a bitter taste of "We lost TAOO, for this?"

I will admit there will be with me specifically as I am a hardcore fan of Starscream, so unless he is in a series, I'm not overly into it as much as I may be. So I am not going to deny your impression. As far as visionaries go - I have no knowledge of the series, although I did browse through the wiki to try to get some sort of idea of what its about. We did not necessarily loose TAAO for this, I'd be more inclined to say we lost ROM vs Transformers for this... Then again, that had a Strong Starscream presence.

I am a mad Starscream addict. And I need my fix

DeathReviews wrote:Though in the original iteration, all the Visionaries looked a LOT different than portrayed in this comic. Merklyn was not some young hip-hop punker dude, he was more a traditional 'wizard', with a white beard and a red robe, and was a powerful figure since he had a lot of magic (reason also not really explained). And voiced by the same guy who did the Kingpin in the Spider-Man animated series of the 90s. And Cin-Darr was voiced by Peter Cullen, while Cravex was voiced by 80s Starscream's voice actor. A lot of the old Transformer voice talent was there, because the same studios that worked on the Transformers worked on Visionaries too.

I love the old Visionaries. Despite it being a very brief cartoon series I far, far preferred it over Transformers or GI Joe by the same folk (both of those shows I never really care for, vastly preferring their Marvel comic equivalent). I loved the medieval-sci-fi style, designs, writing and humour in it and the series is one of my most watched DVDs ever. Weirdly I didn't get to have many of the toys as a kid. I had Cryotek and a while ago I had Arzon too. And I tried to get one of those recent Leorics from that recent IDW pack but the single version that Kapow (by splitting the set) did was the first (and at time I was looking) only figure from that pack to sell out.

Nothing about IDW's Visionaries works for me at all (least of all the unrecognisable redesigns of several characters), never mind the fact I've not really enjoyed this whole concept about merging all the Hasbro properties into a big crossover thing. Ok I'm not a big fan of IDW's Transformers to begin with but I'd have much preferred these franchises all be kept seperate so you could at least pick and choose which one you'd like to follow without needing to know how events in the others affect it in such a big way. I still picked up this comic (not bought, read in shop) out of curiosity and yeah. Not for me. I won't be reading more.

They could have done this like Rom vs the Transformers, set the story in the past so it doesn’t directly impact the now, establish some sort of reason why Merklynn would want revenge and do what he did in a First Striken then, if you wanted, shoe him teleporting g their city to a Cybertron because their world is dying due to something the Transformers did in the past.

I’ll say this though, thanks to this issue and discussion I’ve since watched a number of clips from YouTube of Visionaries to refamiliarize myself with it. It is a very typical 80s Sunbow Animated show.

ive been thinking alot more about this and whats really starting to annoy me is how shambolic the roll out of the shared universe is.

i mean you literally have marvel sitting there with 50yrs plus, and DC with 70yrs plus SHOWING you how to do a shared universe that doesnt feel forced or restrictive yet IDW KEEP buggering it up.

the comparision i keep thinking of is marvel trying to launch an inhumans series by having tony stark find them squating in the basement of the avengers mansion.

now its not that you cant tell a story like that, but it really doesnt lend itself to introducing a race of half alien hybrids who live on the moon does it?

topic in point the visionares shouldve had a mini series to worldbuild its narative. thats why ROM/Transforemers worked. i mean i havent even read IDWs ROM but i know the broadstrokes of it in the same way anyone who wouldnt be au fait with transformes STILL knows its a war between shape changing robots. so when they met it was very easy to get into the meat of the story quickly.

just LOOK at how many pages in this were dedicated to catching people up the whole first strike thing which ostensibly has NOTHING to do with the visionares real story/ origin !

You cant blame the author for this as thats where theyre stuck storywise. ok you can make a parallel with immigrants/asylum seekers going this route but is that REALLY what you want your relaunch of these characters to be built on? is that the grandeur of the world you want to build for them?

the 80s premise was bigger in scope than that and so should this.

and i gotta say the armour designs suck. have a gander at this link

https://imgur.com/gallery/dNpHz/comment/370977531

thats based on what WE were doing in the 15th century. what alien wizards in the modern day could come up with should look ALOT better. its comics FFS, the best thing this medium HAS going for it is the skys the limit on the designs front. they shouldnt look like cosplayers. i agree with what one of the other posters said too. its meant to be magic, IDW needs to come up with a design for the use of it ala Dr Strange in marvel i.e you know its magic being used and NOT just some random mutant power.

visual ques like this can help differentiate whats going on

all in all though this just feels like a missed opportunity. visionares always struck me as being like actionmasters. goddamn stupid idea for a toy but transformers with super powers? GREAT idea for fiction. ditto for leoric and co. a post apocalyptic world where the laws of physics have changed and basically given you the "shanara chronicles"?

theres scope there.

partholon wrote:ive been thinking alot more about this and whats really starting to annoy me is how shambolic the roll out of the shared universe is.

i mean you literally have marvel sitting there with 50yrs plus, and DC with 70yrs plus SHOWING you how to do a shared universe that doesnt feel forced or restrictive yet IDW KEEP buggering it up.

the comparision i keep thinking of is marvel trying to launch an inhumans series by having tony stark find them squating in the basement of the avengers mansion.

now its not that you cant tell a story like that, but it really doesnt lend itself to introducing a race of half alien hybrids who live on the moon does it?

topic in point the visionares shouldve had a mini series to worldbuild its narative. thats why ROM/Transforemers worked. i mean i havent even read IDWs ROM but i know the broadstrokes of it in the same way anyone who wouldnt be au fait with transformes STILL knows its a war between shape changing robots. so when they met it was very easy to get into the meat of the story quickly.

just LOOK at how many pages in this were dedicated to catching people up the whole first strike thing which ostensibly has NOTHING to do with the visionares real story/ origin !

You cant blame the author for this as thats where theyre stuck storywise. ok you can make a parallel with immigrants/asylum seekers going this route but is that REALLY what you want your relaunch of these characters to be built on? is that the grandeur of the world you want to build for them?

the 80s premise was bigger in scope than that and so should this.

and i gotta say the armour designs suck. have a gander at this link

https://imgur.com/gallery/dNpHz/comment/370977531

thats based on what WE were doing in the 15th century. what alien wizards in the modern day could come up with should look ALOT better. its comics FFS, the best thing this medium HAS going for it is the skys the limit on the designs front. they shouldnt look like cosplayers. i agree with what one of the other posters said too. its meant to be magic, IDW needs to come up with a design for the use of it ala Dr Strange in marvel i.e you know its magic being used and NOT just some random mutant power.

visual ques like this can help differentiate whats going on

all in all though this just feels like a missed opportunity. visionares always struck me as being like actionmasters. goddamn stupid idea for a toy but transformers with super powers? GREAT idea for fiction. ditto for leoric and co. a post apocalyptic world where the laws of physics have changed and basically given you the "shanara chronicles"?

theres scope there.

Actually there is another way they could of gone with this that would have worked(it popped into my head at the end of your post). A world where magic and technology are forced to coexist, Shadowrun.

Still I'm going to cut IDW some slack as Marvel and DC didn't have someone breathing down their neck with editorial decisions... (okay maybe they both have now with Disney and Warner).

partholon wrote:ive been thinking alot more about this and whats really starting to annoy me is how shambolic the roll out of the shared universe is.

i mean you literally have marvel sitting there with 50yrs plus, and DC with 70yrs plus SHOWING you how to do a shared universe that doesnt feel forced or restrictive yet IDW KEEP buggering it up.

Eh, not really a fair comparison. The DC and Marvel Universes as we know them today were born out of decades of writers and artists randomly throwing things at the wall and seeing what sticks. A lot of the times, the set-ups and introductions of characters who are now staples were conceived as random one offs, like Hank Pym being a scientist in a short before getting remade into a superhero. To use your example, the Inhumans just kinda showed up one day in an issue of Fantastic Four, which also had to retcon a pre-existing characters backstory to make her part of the Inhumans. Marvel and DC didn't really have any grand architectural plan, they just did it on a whim.

How long until IDW makes a Transformers series where they come up with the dumbest ways to mass kill characters for no reason at all?

Deadput wrote:How long until IDW makes a Transformers series where they come up with the dumbest ways to mass kill characters for no reason at all?

Apparently you aren't reading IDW comics right now.

Deadput wrote:How long until IDW makes a Transformers series where they come up with the dumbest ways to mass kill characters for no reason at all?

Wheelie kills the hasbroverse.

That would be pretty funny actually. Still I think the movies has the dumbest deaths of characters.

We have news of an interview with Magdalene Visaggio, the writer of the current crossover series from IDW Publishing and its Hasbroverse - Transformers vs Visionaries - looking at how the team was made to arrive to the current status quo, the process behind two very old franchises, the ways in which the characters are approached, and addressing the scenes that most Transformers fans and readers have had a hard time accepting: the death of Kup.

You can read some extracts below, and the whole piece directly on the website Women Write About
Comics, and enjoy the lineart for Brendan Cahill's variant cover (and colours by Lauren Bennett) for issue #4 of the series, too!

Firstly, how long have you been a fan of Transformers? Was it always your dream to write a comic for them?

I’ve been a Transformers fan to varying degrees since I was very little; they’ve always been around, and G2 was airing when I was eight or nine years old. But Transformers was never a passion of mine, nor was writing it a lifelong dream; when I was pitched this book, IDW EIC David Hedgecock asked me if I wanted to write Visionaries; the Transformers came in later. What got me excited was the idea of reviving and reinventing a largely forgotten franchise; the Transformers were the object they’d be acting against, but the actors would be the Visionaries.

The Visionaries have been silent for 30 years, did you have any say in any changes made to any characters?

Fico and I got basically all the say. Reinventing the Visionaries was very much done internally between me and Fico, and we presented what we wanted to do to IDW and then to Hasbro, and got the sign-off. We looked seriously at the characters and their situation, and then had to think, well, how do we integrate this into the IDW Hasbroverse, which is very sci-fi heavy, and have it still feel organic? We played a lot with more overtly sci-fi angles—at one point, the Visionaries, which are aliens, I might add, were much more obviously so. We decided to move away from the high fantasy aesthetic and worked to develop one that might make sense for a society forcibly removed from its technological origins. We had a very free hand.

[..]

Like I said, I haven’t been up to date on Transformers. But I knew and loved Kup from the 1986 movie, and so when they told me he was going to die, I was just shocked. Utterly, utterly shocked that the responsibility for taking out friggin’ Kup was going to be landing in my hands. Kup has always been one of my favorites (Kup, Springer, Ultra Magnus, Arcee, and yes, even Hot Rod are my TF dream team), so I immediately understood this wasn’t going to be a small thing. So I never took this lightly.

That’s why I structured the first issue the way I did; Kup takes a lot of the spotlight, and I showed him as the one pushing for something better; the old seen-it-all got to play idealist at the end, and I loved being able to do that for him.

Another chick who looks like she came out of Jem and the Holograms.
Honestly, they might as well have added Jem and the Holograms to the Hasbroverse.

Rodimus Knight wrote:Another chick who looks like she came out of Jem and the Holograms.
Honestly, they might as well have added Jem and the Holograms to the Hasbroverse.

That would be truly, truly outrageous! Hasbro should be on top it all.

Do you think they'll ever have a change of heart?

Jem does exist in the Hasbro Universe. Rock 'n Roll used to be the Holograms' roadie.

I don't want to just be negative, but come on, even the writer didn't want the crossover. You don't build new franchises by butchering your successful one. I kind of hope unicron will mean an ending to the idw universe, because if not I'm afraid I'll wind up quitting a series I've followed for half my life.

LE0KING wrote:even the writer didn't want the crossover

???

I don't know where you're getting this idea, dude. Visaggio was asked to pitch for Transformers Vs Visionaries.

Daniel Adkins wrote:

LE0KING wrote:even the writer didn't want the crossover

???

I don't know where you're getting this idea, dude. Visaggio was asked to pitch for Transformers Vs Visionaries.

This part of the interview here all but says that she just wanted a visionaries book.

"But Transformers was never a passion of mine, nor was writing it a lifelong dream; when I was pitched this book, IDW EIC David Hedgecock asked me if I wanted to write Visionaries; the Transformers came in later. What got me excited was the idea of reviving and reinventing a largely forgotten franchise; the Transformers were the object they’d be acting against, but the actors would be the Visionaries."

Well, considering Virulina and Galadria (NOT Galadriel) were never part of the toy line, they're sure going out of their way in this crossover to make sure everybody knows that they're 'strong independent womaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan'!

LE0KING wrote:

Daniel Adkins wrote:

LE0KING wrote:even the writer didn't want the crossover

???

I don't know where you're getting this idea, dude. Visaggio was asked to pitch for Transformers Vs Visionaries.

This part of the interview here all but says that she just wanted a visionaries book.

"But Transformers was never a passion of mine, nor was writing it a lifelong dream; when I was pitched this book, IDW EIC David Hedgecock asked me if I wanted to write Visionaries; the Transformers came in later. What got me excited was the idea of reviving and reinventing a largely forgotten franchise; the Transformers were the object they’d be acting against, but the actors would be the Visionaries."

Alright, I found the interview this is from http://womenwriteaboutcomics.com/2018/0 ... -visaggio/. Interesting.

Daniel Adkins wrote:

LE0KING wrote:

Daniel Adkins wrote:

LE0KING wrote:even the writer didn't want the crossover

???

I don't know where you're getting this idea, dude. Visaggio was asked to pitch for Transformers Vs Visionaries.

This part of the interview here all but says that she just wanted a visionaries book.

"But Transformers was never a passion of mine, nor was writing it a lifelong dream; when I was pitched this book, IDW EIC David Hedgecock asked me if I wanted to write Visionaries; the Transformers came in later. What got me excited was the idea of reviving and reinventing a largely forgotten franchise; the Transformers were the object they’d be acting against, but the actors would be the Visionaries."

Alright, I found the interview this is from http://womenwriteaboutcomics.com/2018/0 ... -visaggio/. Interesting.

Always pleasing to see my news posts (with links and extracts - including the one quoted in the comments above) ignored entirely.

Va'al wrote:

Daniel Adkins wrote:

LE0KING wrote:

Daniel Adkins wrote:

LE0KING wrote:even the writer didn't want the crossover

???

I don't know where you're getting this idea, dude. Visaggio was asked to pitch for Transformers Vs Visionaries.

This part of the interview here all but says that she just wanted a visionaries book.

"But Transformers was never a passion of mine, nor was writing it a lifelong dream; when I was pitched this book, IDW EIC David Hedgecock asked me if I wanted to write Visionaries; the Transformers came in later. What got me excited was the idea of reviving and reinventing a largely forgotten franchise; the Transformers were the object they’d be acting against, but the actors would be the Visionaries."

Alright, I found the interview this is from http://womenwriteaboutcomics.com/2018/0 ... -visaggio/. Interesting.

Always pleasing to see my news posts (with links and extracts - including the one quoted in the comments above) ignored entirely.

It's okay Va'al, I didn't ignore it

Interesting to note that the writer wasn't keen on writing Kup off so I'm curious as to who's decision it was and why.. (unless he's getting rezzed at the end as a good will gesture or something)

@whoever said about unicron ending the IDW verse.
Unicron at best (or worse) will reset the universe but they will still all be connected, till the licenses are split up again, which could be never. In fact all Unicron may do is eat up all the inconsistencies that have cropped up over the decade long run of IDW Transformers (sort of the same way that Crisis on Infinite Earths was supposed to do for DC)

Daniel Adkins wrote:Jem does exist in the Hasbro Universe. Rock 'n Roll used to be the Holograms' roadie.

Seriously? Two questions:
1) what issues does it cover that?
2) was that before or after IDW put out the comic book for Jem and the Holograms?

I am honestly curious since you don't really see anything about the crap going down in the other comics mentioned in the Jem and the Holograms Comic and if Rock 'n Roll mentioned them, before the comic series, then it could have just been one of them Easter egg kind of things.

Sorry, Va’al, I missed that part of your post while on mobile.

Rodimus Knight wrote:

Daniel Adkins wrote:Jem does exist in the Hasbro Universe. Rock 'n Roll used to be the Holograms' roadie.

Seriously? Two questions:
1) what issues does it cover that?
2) was that before or after IDW put out the comic book for Jem and the Holograms?

I am honestly curious since you don't really see anything about the crap going down in the other comics mentioned in the Jem and the Holograms Comic and if Rock 'n Roll mentioned them, before the comic series, then it could have just been one of them Easter egg kind of things.

It was in the Hasbro Heroes Sourcebook. Rock mentions them again Scarlett’s Strike Force #1 and Ian Noble had a Misfits poster in his room in the Action Man miniseries.

Daniel Adkins wrote:Sorry, Va’al, I missed that part of your post while on mobile.

Rodimus Knight wrote:

Daniel Adkins wrote:Jem does exist in the Hasbro Universe. Rock 'n Roll used to be the Holograms' roadie.

Seriously? Two questions:
1) what issues does it cover that?
2) was that before or after IDW put out the comic book for Jem and the Holograms?

I am honestly curious since you don't really see anything about the crap going down in the other comics mentioned in the Jem and the Holograms Comic and if Rock 'n Roll mentioned them, before the comic series, then it could have just been one of them Easter egg kind of things.

It was in the Hasbro Heroes Sourcebook. Rock mentions them again Scarlett’s Strike Force #1 and Ian Noble had a Misfits poster in his room in the Action Man miniseries.

So I'm going to admit that I do read Jem and the Holograms, and I haven't seen Rock n' Roll in the comic anywhere. So I think as far as the current comic series go, it doesn't really connect to the rest of the Hasbroverse, but I think they are still using those names and images in it because they are Hasbro Properties.

So Jem and the Hollograms and the Misfits may exist in the Hsbroverse, the comic itself is not part of it.

The comics has indeed not been explicitly included, you're right, but the characters have been acknowledged in passing a number of times, as Daniel said!

So basically, don't get surprised if on the near future if the series gets a soft reboot and suddenly finds itself part of something bigger well as big as it can fit in really (unless they go the macross route and music is suddenly very important to the well being of the universe)

Rodimus Knight wrote:

Daniel Adkins wrote:Sorry, Va’al, I missed that part of your post while on mobile.

Rodimus Knight wrote:

Daniel Adkins wrote:Jem does exist in the Hasbro Universe. Rock 'n Roll used to be the Holograms' roadie.

Seriously? Two questions:
1) what issues does it cover that?
2) was that before or after IDW put out the comic book for Jem and the Holograms?

I am honestly curious since you don't really see anything about the crap going down in the other comics mentioned in the Jem and the Holograms Comic and if Rock 'n Roll mentioned them, before the comic series, then it could have just been one of them Easter egg kind of things.

It was in the Hasbro Heroes Sourcebook. Rock mentions them again Scarlett’s Strike Force #1 and Ian Noble had a Misfits poster in his room in the Action Man miniseries.

So I'm going to admit that I do read Jem and the Holograms, and I haven't seen Rock n' Roll in the comic anywhere. So I think as far as the current comic series go, it doesn't really connect to the rest of the Hasbroverse, but I think they are still using those names and images in it because they are Hasbro Properties.

So Jem and the Hollograms and the Misfits may exist in the Hsbroverse, the comic itself is not part of it.

First off, of course you read the Jem comic. Everyone should read Jem. Because its a great comic.

And yes, as Va'al said, the Jem stories have never been explicitly stated to be in the Hasbroverse with Transformers and Joe, but we do know at least that A VERSION of those characters (with the same character designs) exists in the universe.

Actually, when you think about it, in order for Rock to have been a roadie for the Holograms before joining G.I. Joe, that means the Holograms and Misfits formed in the early 2000s rather than the 2010s.

Va'al wrote:

On an off note, and I went back through the past 2 pages and didn't see it and y'all are talking right now: who is the chick here?

Her name is Galadria. She was one of the Spectral Knights at the meeting in the first issue.

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:

Va'al wrote:

On an off note, and I went back through the past 2 pages and didn't see it and y'all are talking right now: who is the chick here?

That's the newly redesigned form of Spectral Knight Galadria.
The fact that you had to ask, shows how much of a step away from the original this version is.

ThunderThruster wrote:

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:

Va'al wrote:

On an off note, and I went back through the past 2 pages and didn't see it and y'all are talking right now: who is the chick here?

That's the newly redesigned form of Spectral Knight Galadria.
The fact that you had to ask, shows how much of a step away from the original this version is.

Looking at the image again, now many times do you think she'd bruised her face and gotten a fat lip from turning her head to fast and smacking into her shoulder fin?

Her significant other has been arrested already because the Doctor didn't believer her when she said the black eye was from her fin.

ThunderThruster wrote:[That's the newly redesigned form of Spectral Knight Galadria.
The fact that you had to ask, shows how much of a step away from the original this version is.

Well, I wasn't born until 8 years after Visionaries came out and I really don't know anything about them and I still really don't, and I only sort of read issue 1 since I wasn't at all excited for it, so it's not really even the fault of the design.

I was more asking because I actually really like her look. she's probably the 1 Visionary I actually like the looks of. Although, my favorite animal is the Cheetah, so I sort of like Witterquick for that. And I sort of liked the looks of that Virulina before she killed Kup. Other than that, I'm not really hooked at all.

also, thanks Daniel, I did see your response, but I wanted to respond to this one

Rodimus Knight wrote:

ThunderThruster wrote:

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:

Va'al wrote:

On an off note, and I went back through the past 2 pages and didn't see it and y'all are talking right now: who is the chick here?

That's the newly redesigned form of Spectral Knight Galadria.
The fact that you had to ask, shows how much of a step away from the original this version is.

Looking at the image again, now many times do you think she'd bruised her face and gotten a fat lip from turning her head to fast and smacking into her shoulder fin?

Her significant other has been arrested already because the Doctor didn't believer her when she said the black eye was from her fin.

"Cryotek, no!"

Courtesy this time not of iTunes but directly the IDW Publishing website, we have a three-page preview for a couple of upcoming comics in the Hasbro Universe, both featuring Transformers in some way! Next up is the second issue of the 5 issue mini-series seeing the return to relevance of the Visionaries - after the brutal murder of Kup - and the seeming start of yet another conflict on Cybertron. Check out the three pages previewed below, and join us later next month for longer preview, review and the discussion in the Energon Pub!

AVAILABLE: February 2018
CREATORS:
Magdalene Visaggio (Author) • Fico Ossio (Artist, Cover Artist) • Philip Murphy (Cover Artist)

Virulina, leader of the Darkling Lords, has discovered that the Transformers are vulnerable to magic—and now she’s using that weakness to try and gain control of Cybertron and wipe them out! Leoric and Ironhide team up to stop her, but quickly find themselves facing not only the Darkling Lords, but all of New Prysmos itself!

Kinda a crappy way for Kup to go out.

Big Grim wrote:Kinda a crappy way for Kup to go out.

Not as crappy as pipes getting stepped on and forgotten.

Or ya know..the Protectobots at least this death is explained. Magic yes but it wasnt one dude taking down a gestalt with one swing of a sword and then gunned down.

When I read it I said “yeeeeeeeah that’s gonna be fun when Springer finds out...”

Randomhero wrote:Not as crappy as pipes getting stepped on and forgotten.

Or ya know..the Protectobots at least this death is explained. Magic yes but it wasnt one dude taking down a gestalt with one swing of a sword and then gunned down.

Fair points both.

I actually really enjoyed the first issue. I don’t know visionaries in the slightest but I’m into this series but I would like to see Springer show up and say “THEY DID WHAT...F&@$ THAT!!!” And start stomping on them.

TBH I don't like Mags Vissagio and I don't like the changes to the Visionaries

BUT having said that I did put aside those feelings and....

I actually didn't mind the first issue on my 2nd reading of it.

So many characters have been offed in IDW transformers Kup really didn't bother me.


Although I did think Ironhide should've shouted to Tankor to fall back.

I tell you this now, I've been reading the Idw comic run for a long time. I was born ten years too late for G1, so this is, for all accounts, my G1 TF expierence. I've read it in the good and in the bad, but if they kill Prime Breakdown, I'm dropping the whole line.

Coptur wrote:TBH I don't like Mags Vissagio and I don't like the changes to the Visionaries

BUT having said that I did put aside those feelings and....

I actually didn't mind the first issue on my 2nd reading of it.

So many characters have been offed in IDW transformers Kup really didn't bother me.


Although I did think Ironhide should've shouted to Tankor to fall back.

I’m my opinion and I’m being very opinionated I think a lot of the negativity is it’s happening in a book people didn’t want. A lot of the vocal minority don’t want other toys playing with their transformers and don’t feel it’s right to kill off a big name like Kup(again) in a book that people just don’t want and it’s just more fuel for the fire.

Only thing with issue one I didn’t like was the editorial at the end which was “they made me kill Kup please don’t hate me.” It’s like they knew it was gonna get negative reactions and had to make a preemptive response and that stupid “in memeory of Kup” pages. Own it.

Randomhero wrote:Only thing with issue one I didn’t like was the editorial at the end which was “they made me kill Kup please don’t hate me.” It’s like they knew it was gonna get negative reactions and had to make a preemptive response and that stupid “in memeory of Kup” pages. Own it.

Yeah I can fully understand people were angry with the KUP thing, I'm so thick skinned over all the mass killing in IDW TF i'm just so nonchalant about it.

I should care because I like Kup LOL.

Yes true again nobody wanted the Visionaries introduction to be crossed over with the Transformers. The Visionaries really needed their own world built before it was brought down.

LE0KING - I agree and I didn't like how Prime Breakdown's fate in the series as it was done so cheaply...but Arachnid did have female character indestructible powers...

I don't know why it bothers me so much, but I am really not liking how htey are just trashing the Transformers like that. I hope the Transformers can crush each and every one of those flesh coated maggots... argh - it actually is pissing me off. This is silly!

Hmm...Still don't see why they couldn't have had one of the other series cross over but what's done is done and I'm curious as to why it was kup was destined to die. Is he going to become "girl in the fridge" material for someone?

Coptur wrote:
LE0KING - I agree and I didn't like how Prime Breakdown's fate in the series as it was done so cheaply...but Arachnid did have female character indestructible powers...

Well my problem is that Scott brought Breakdown in with a ton of potential. He was designed to be an interesting character, with a history as a second class citizen, who came to a new world to become the person he was meant to be. There hasn't been much time to build on that yet, but here he is, nameless thug #7.
If they kill him it will be just another slap across the face of the only writer who cared about giving idw transformers a future.